How much hit does Curry's legacy take if he cant get past Ja Morant + scrubs

[Stanley Kobrick]

Most casual fans cant even name one player on the grizzlies, most fans in general probably can't even name grizzlies 2nd option outside of Morant

How incredibly bad does prime stephen curry's legacy get hit if him and DPOY/Allstar Draymond, 20ppg Wiggins, 20ppg Oubre, 2nd overall pick can't get over 2nd year, 21yo Ja Morant.

[scuzzy]

Stern will do everything in his power to squeeze and get Curry into the postseason.



He can sit out and Warriors will breeze by Griz on a 100 FTA from Wiggins



They were campaigning HARD after last nights game once again because LA was "too rough on him" :oldlol:

[3ball]

Peak Curry should've been able to lead any cast to better than the 8 seed, so he's already been incredibly overrated this year

[RRR3]

Stern will do everything in his power to squeeze and get Curry into the postseason.



He can sit out and Warriors will breeze by Griz on a 100 FTA from Wiggins



They were campaigning HARD after last nights game once again because LA was "too rough on him" :oldlol:
Stern is dead.

[scuzzy]

Stern is dead.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Pjhtvd3bV5KBa/giphy.gif

[HoopsNY]

This pre-supposes that Curry's cast is better than Ja's. For one, Curry is 37-26 when on the court in the regular season, and the team is 1-8 without him. This speaks volumes when looking at his impact. Oubre was a complete let down and Wiseman missed half the season due to injuries. He only started 27 games.

Draymond was 0-5 last night with 6 turnovers, whereas Jonas put up 23 points, 23 rebounds, and 3 blks, on 67%. The differences are big.

[scuzzy]

This pre-supposes that Curry's cast is better than Ja's. For one, Curry is 37-26 when on the court in the regular season, and the team is 1-8 without him. This speaks volumes when looking at his impact. Oubre was a complete let down and Wiseman missed half the season due to injuries. He only started 27 games.

Draymond was 0-5 last night with 6 turnovers, whereas Jonas put up 23 points, 23 rebounds, and 3 blks, on 67%. The differences are big.
You must have missed the game, or overall Draymonds career for that matter


His role isn't to be 2nd option, it's to be a playmakers, screens setter and well best defensive player in the league


Riddling bbref just makes you look out of touch with how great he played last night, as did Wiggins which you avoided to post as well.


Stick to defending your 90's nostalgia

[Stanley Kobrick]

You must have missed the game, or overall Draymonds career for that matter


His role isn't to be 2nd option, it's to be a playmakers, screens setter and well best defensive player in the league


Riddling bbref just makes you look out of touch with how great he played last night, as did Wiggins which you avoided to post as well.


Stick to defending your 90's nostalgia
yeah i chuckled at him completely avoiding Wiggins as well, who's also more recognized than Jonas. agenda's are obvious . the usual case of i haven't watch nba since 1998 strikes again

[LAmbruh]

For one, Curry is 37-26 when on the court in the regular season, and the team is 1-8 without him. This speaks volumes when looking at his impact.
good point, Bulls were 55 win team without MJ


speaks volumes for his minor impact

[Stanley Kobrick]

Why does everyone keep talking about how great this Warriors team will be when Klay comes back if their core right now isn't respectable? Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson couldn't stop mentioning how good GSW be when he returns. Warriors must be good or Klay must just be that incredible. tough choice to pick

Wiggins at 19yo was traded and swapped for prime Kevin Love. That tells you how good he is even as a baby in college

[And1AllDay]

Peak Curry should've been able to lead any cast to better than the 8 seed, so he's already been incredibly overrated this year

doesnt mike have like three 8 seeds :oldlol:

[3ball]

doesnt mike have like three 8 seeds :oldlol:


As a rookie or sophomore

Just like rookie/soph Lebron was lottery, and every other young player loses if they weren't drafted to a good team

But 18' Lebron (prime Lebron) would've had a decent seed with those 05' Cavs, just like prime Jordan had good runs with bum casts in 89' or 88'

[Stanley Kobrick]

Peak Curry should've been able to lead any cast to better than the 8 seed, so he's already been incredibly overrated this year
well said. all time greats like duncan, jordan and lebron at full health always kept their teams in contention no matter what roster they had. guys like harden, durant, kawhi and lebron would have been abused by the media/fans for having their team at 8-10th seed at full health and in their prime. that's the difference between real superstars who can carry their team and 1 way players who can't

[And1AllDay]

As a rookie or sophomore

Just like rookie/soph Lebron was lottery, and every other young player loses if they weren't drafted to a good team

But 18' Lebron (prime Lebron) would've had a decent seed with those 05' Cavs, just like prime Jordan had good runs with bum casts in 89' or 88'

mike got three 8 seeds bro :oldlol:

[insight]

Most casual fans cant even name one player on the grizzlies, most fans in general probably can't even name grizzlies 2nd option outside of Morant

How incredibly bad does prime stephen curry's legacy get hit if him and DPOY/Allstar Draymond, 20ppg Wiggins, 20ppg Oubre, 2nd overall pick can't get over 2nd year, 21yo Ja Morant.

There is a good argument that Dillon Brooks is the best or most important player on the Grizzlies. He is the 2nd leading scorer, scoring threat from the perimeter and their best defender. The casual fan thinks it Ja Morant because of the highlights on sports center.
Valaciaunas is the key to the series between Golden State, they have no one who can match him on the inside.

[RRR3]

There is a good argument that Dillon Brooks is the best or most important player on the Grizzlies. He is the 2nd leading scorer, scoring threat from the perimeter and their best defender. The casual fan thinks it Ja Morant because of the highlights on sports center.
Valaciaunas is the key to the series between Golden State, they have no one who can match him on the inside.
Dillon Brooksis ****ing horrible lmao. 51.5 TS%, 2.6 BPM eeyikes. He literally just shoots a lot. Maybe he’s good at defense tho but he’s cheeks on offense.

[iamgine]

Warriors is a lot stronger than Memphis. But it's one game. Anything can happen in one game. Iverson beat threepeat Lakers in one game.

[insight]

Dillon Brooksis ****ing horrible lmao. 51.5 TS%, 2.6 BPM eeyikes. He literally just shoots a lot. Maybe he’s good at defense tho but he’s cheeks on offense.

Dillon Brooks is streaky, and takes a lot of ill advised shots but Ja will disappear frequently. He does not have a consistent outside shot so if his floater if off or if he can't get easy points in transition Ja can struggle. Memphis does not rely on Ja, they have about 4 different players who can get hot on any given day, Ja is just the flashiest and gets all the press.

[Axe]

Imagine losing to a team with a decent winning record that's struggling to maintain a position for the playoffs, led by a kid like ja morant. I don't even like him but anything can happen tomorrow. However if the cooking club somehow comes up short, then steve kerr's future might be in shambles come this off-season although he alone shouldn't be blamed for a possible loss. But if it becomes inevitable, there will always be other teams out there seeking for his services.

[Axe]

Ja is just the flashiest and gets all the press.
The thing with morant is that for someone who's small, there are times where he would recklessly dunk over taller opposing players and end up falling after. I fear it would be an accident for him waiting to happen and if injuries become common to him, his career would be ruined. If only he could up his long-range shooting instead, i think he'd be more useful.

[2much_knowledge]

It doesn't matter. Its just one game and anything can happen

[ArbitraryWater]

OP you're trying way too hard

[HoopsNY]

You must have missed the game, or overall Draymonds career for that matter


His role isn't to be 2nd option, it's to be a playmakers, screens setter and well best defensive player in the league


Riddling bbref just makes you look out of touch with how great he played last night, as did Wiggins which you avoided to post as well.


Stick to defending your 90's nostalgia

I didn't watch the game but I am aware of Draymond's first quarter heroics defensively. As for Wiggins, he turned it up for the last quarter of the season, but for most of the way, he was a let down.

I'm not sure what this has to do with 90s basketball. Draymond is a good playmaker, but a cast is made up of more than just 1 role player. I brought up Draymond's woes offensively and his turnovers because they equalize his defensive support.

You can call Memphis' cast "scrubs" all you like. The fact is that they showed up this season more so than the Warriors' cast. The last 10-15 games of the regular season for Wiggins doesn't suddenly change that.

[HoopsNY]

yeah i chuckled at him completely avoiding Wiggins as well, who's also more recognized than Jonas. agenda's are obvious . the usual case of i haven't watch nba since 1998 strikes again

So Wiggins goes from the biggest perennial underachiever to the biggest #2 option in the league? Based on what exactly?

Bran stans wanna talk about agenda when they routinely try to diminish LeBron's competition, and even his own teammates. Steph will never get any credit for the carry job he did this season, despite his team being 37-26 with him on the court. That's a 48-49 game win pace.

We all heard the bogus arguments before the season started: "Steph can't win without Klay!" "Steph is a system player who can't win without Durant!"

Yet this season, he wins the scoring title at the age of 33 and leads his team to a near 50 win pace with his cast slacking.

Laughable.

[HoopsNY]

good point, Bulls were 55 win team without MJ


speaks volumes for his minor impact

Keep your arguments for 3ball. I've never said Chicago's cast wasn't great. They absolutely were. So you're barking up the wrong tree here.

[tontoz]

Not much considering he is top 3 in the final MVP voting.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_20210521-092012.jpg


Then there's this.....



https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_20210520-180014.jpg

[Stanley Kobrick]

stephen curry is nominated for regular season participation award with the likes of westbrook and giannis. that would be a tragedy if he can't capitalize vs team who doesn't even have a top 25 RPM player.

[Bronbron23]

Most casual fans cant even name one player on the grizzlies, most fans in general probably can't even name grizzlies 2nd option outside of Morant

How incredibly bad does prime stephen curry's legacy get hit if him and DPOY/Allstar Draymond, 20ppg Wiggins, 20ppg Oubre, 2nd overall pick can't get over 2nd year, 21yo Ja Morant.

Not that bad. No grizzlies aren't anything special but warriors are a bit worse. Warriors should win but if they don't i wouldn't hold it against curry. He is what he is. A great scorer that dosn't impact the game in any other way. If anything he only has a negative impact in other areas like Defense and turnovers. Guys like this don't impact thae game like other greats who are as good of scorers but do other things.

You should only expect so much from a 6'3 gaurd who can't impact the other half of the game.

[Stanley Kobrick]

Not that bad. No grizzlies aren't anything special but warriors are a bit worse. Warriors should win but if they don't i wouldn't hold it against curry. He is what he is. A great scorer that dosn't impact the game in any other way. If anything he only has a negative impact in other areas like Defense and turnovers. Guys like this don't impact thae game like other greats who are as good of scorers but do other things.

You should only expect so much from a 6'3 gaurd who can't impact the other half of the game.
very good points, high IQ post.

although I disagree, imo Wiggins + Draymond by themselves are both alone better than Ja and Brooks. then you add stephen curry, oubre and kerr. warriors are lopsided heavy favorites vs Memphis

[tontoz]

Draymond is at 84th in RPM, 4th on the team behind Poole and Wiggins. :oldlol:

Oubre isn't even playing. They have been better without him.

[Bronbron23]

very good points, high IQ post.

although I disagree, imo Wiggins + Draymond by themselves are both alone better than Ja and Brooks. then you add stephen curry, oubre and kerr. warriors are lopsided heavy favorites vs Memphis

Yeah they're better and are favored but how much better are they? Dray and Wiggins are definitely tough but so are brooks and val. Wiggins at face value looks better than brooks but brooks is a dog man. I'd take him in a tough playoff series over wig any day and i was big on wiggins for awhile. It just always seems like he's going tbrough the motions and he could care less if he wins or loses. Brooks plays like it means something to him.

As far as dray and val dray has more impact because of how he can control a game defensively but val is very underrated. He's a very solid big.

Ja isn't on curry's level though and that's where the advantage really lies and why warriors should win.

[HoopsNY]

Draymond is at 84th in RPM, 4th on the team behind Poole and Wiggins. :oldlol:

Oubre isn't even playing. They have been better without him.

Bran stans will do anything to diminish Curry, that's what this boils down to. Imagine championing Oubre as some beacon of light for a supporting cast.

[Bronbron23]

Draymond is at 84th in RPM, 4th on the team behind Poole and Wiggins. :oldlol:

Oubre isn't even playing. They have been better without him.

And that's why stats can be misleading. Drays impact is arguably as big as steph's. Take dray off that team and warriors are way worse.

[tontoz]

And that's why stats can be misleading. Drays impact is arguably as big as steph's. Take dray off that team and warriors are way worse.

Put Steph on another team and he is still a star. Put Dray on another team and he's a nobody. He can't score, he won't have the benefit of Steph's spacing and most other teams have guards as the primary playmakers.

What would Dray be on Dallas? He can't be a rim runner like Powell. He can't be a spot of shooter like Hardaway. He isn't going to be a playmaker because Luka dominates the ball. He would be a nobody, a defensive specialist off the bench.

Dray is a product of Stephs elite scoring and off ball game.

[Axe]

Funny how draymond gets judged poorly these days for not providing more power in offense.

[Axe]

Imagine championing Oubre as some beacon of light for a supporting cast.
Which is what just 3ball did when he said he's going to be better than klay this season in one of his older threads, although i doubt he stans kong/bran.

[ImKobe]

Valanciunas has been the Grizzlies' MVP this season. Morant is so overrated tbh. Grizzlies have a good shot at beating the Warriors because because of JV.



Funny how draymond gets judged poorly these days for not providing more power in offense.

He deserves to be criticized for losing all his scoring ability while still being in his prime. He used to be a 35+% 3PT shooter, now teams are leaving him more open than ever and he can't make them at all. He used to be able to finish at the rim, now he misses open layups. He's great at running the offense, but often forces the issue and makes dumb decisions in crunch time that lead to turnovers. Him being such a liability as a scorer makes it easier for teams to guard Steph. If Dray was a threat from 3, you wouldn't be able to put 3 guys on Curry.

[tpols]

This retard keeps going...lol. Why you fellas giving him the light of day? Guy said Dray played great against the Lakers when he shot 0% from the floor and gave up 25/12 to his man. How can you argue with someone like that? :oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

Put Steph on another team and he is still a star. Put Dray on another team and he's a nobody. He can't score, he won't have the benefit of Steph's spacing and most other teams have guards as the primary playmakers.

What would Dray be on Dallas? He can't be a rim runner like Powell. He can't be a spot of shooter like Hardaway. He isn't going to be a playmaker because Luka dominates the ball. He would be a nobody, a defensive specialist off the bench.

Dray is a product of Stephs elite scoring and off ball game.

I actually don't really disagree with that but it's all about the sytem and who you have. It's the same with klay. I've always said steph is better mainly for the reasons you bring up. In that warriors system though for how they play and what they need dray and klay are almost as important as steph. We've seen this already in the post season in 16 when steph was out and warriors barely missed a beat.

Steph has deficiencies and he needs pieces that make up for those deficiencies. He can't defend and he's not a great play maker as far as passing is concerned. That's why dray is basically the quarterback of that team plus he makes up for steph's terrible defense. As does klay.

[ImKobe]

I swear some of these guys don't watch the games AT ALL. Dray did play great defense on Davis until the Lakers went small though.

[Bronbron23]

This retard keeps going...lol. Why you fellas giving him the light of day? Guy said Dray played great against the Lakers when he shot 0% from the floor and gave up 25/12 to his man. How can you argue with someone like that? :oldlol:

This fakkit clearly didn't watch the game because davis couldn't do shit against green. Did almost all of damage on other defenders. Lakers were constantly setting screens trying to get dray off of davis for this reason. They also tried changing his substitutions to have him on the floor when dray waa off. They even commented about it during the game.

You've exposed yourself as a stat whore who dosn't watch games:facepalm

[tontoz]

The defense narrative is just an exaggeration. He isn't a terrible defender at all. At worst he is a little below average.

GS is 5th in the NBA in defensive efficiency without Klay.

[tpols]

I watched the entire game clown. He stifled AD in the first half but once they got rid of Drummond's poor spacing and gave him room to work he closed the game out strong 25/12 compared to drays 2 points and 0% shooting. Only your dumbass would think somebody getting outplayed to that big of a tune played "great".

[ImKobe]

This fakkit clearly didn't watch the game because davis couldn't do shit against green. Did almost all of damage on other defenders. Lakers were constantly setting screens trying to get dray off of davis for this reason. They also tried changing his substitutions to have him on the floor when dray waa off. They even commented about it during the game.

You've exposed yourself as a stat whore who dosn't watch games:facepalm

It is true that when Davis got it going in the 2nd half, most of it wasn't 1 on 1 with Green. He had some easy transition buckets and scored off the offensive glass but he did hit a couple jump shots when Green was on him.

[tpols]

The defense narrative is just an exaggeration. He isn't a terrible defender at all. At worst he is a little below average.

GS is 5th in the NBA in defensive efficiency without Klay.

Klays defense has been exposed as overrated. They're elite with or without his simple man defense. Dray is the best defender on the team but he gets destroyed by AD every time they meet. And to top it off he can't even make a single bucket on Davis in 40+ minutes of play.

[Axe]

I swear some of these guys don't watch the games AT ALL. Dray did play great defense on Davis until the Lakers went small though.
Yup, for sure that guy is none other than tpots himself. I understand that the donkey isn't a high volume scorer like toody. He's a shell of himself in being one but if not for that defensive effort against davis earlier in the first half, then the dubs wouldn't even have a double digit lead at all. Funny how 3ball's disciples would held anyone blameless if they have had a good scoring night, like curry going for 37 on wonderful ts despite having clumsy turnovers and a terrible last-minute defensive mistake during the game.

[ImKobe]

Yup, for sure that guy is none other than tpots himself. I understand that the donkey isn't a high volume scorer like toody. He's a shell of himself in being one but if not for that defensive effort against davis earlier in the first half, then the dubs wouldn't even have a double digit lead at all. Funny how 3ball's disciples would held anyone blameless if they have had a good scoring night, like curry going for 37 on wonderful ts despite having clumsy turnovers and a terrible last-minute defensive mistake during the game.

Curry's the reason they had the big lead too though. Draymond made just as many bad decisions on the offensive end, whether he tried to force passes through defenders or he attacked Davis and got his shit swatted, I believe he blew a wide open layup as well. Steph was the best player on the court, followed by Lebron & AD. His team had no business being in that game at all and he got up 37 efficient points against double/triple teams.

Draymond's lack of scoring/shooting ability allowed the defense to basically ignore him and put an extra guy on Steph.

[LAmbruh]

Tpols doesnt watch games, Draymond played like a superstar and Warriors get blown out by 50 without him

[Axe]

Curry's the reason they had the big lead too though. Draymond made just as many bad decisions on the offensive end, whether he tried to force passes through defenders or he attacked Davis and got his shit swatted, I believe he blew a wide open layup as well. Steph was the best player on the court, followed by Lebron & AD. His team had no business being in that game at all and he got up 37 efficient points against double/triple teams.

Draymond's lack of scoring/shooting ability allowed the defense to basically ignore him and put an extra guy on Steph.
Yes, draymond who also did a good job at setting screens might not have faith anymore in his scoring skills but in the same night, don't forget wiggins scored high for the warriors too outside of stephen curry. 21 points on 18 shots ain't half bad imho but too bad they've blown their double-digit lead from first half as the pressure rose continuously from that point. Turnovers and grave mistakes in defense at the closing quarter costs them this must-win game.

[Bronbron23]

It is true that when Davis got it going in the 2nd half, most of it wasn't 1 on 1 with Green. He had some easy transition buckets and scored off the offensive glass but he did hit a couple jump shots when Green was on him.

Maybe he hit 2 shots on green. For the most part green was clearly giving davis problems

[Bronbron23]

I watched the entire game clown. He stifled AD in the first half but once they got rid of Drummond's poor spacing and gave him room to work he closed the game out strong 25/12 compared to drays 2 points and 0% shooting. Only your dumbass would think somebody getting outplayed to that big of a tune played "great".

Your an idiot and just trying to save face. 1 on 1 green was owning davis. In the second half they dried setting screens to get green off davis and it kind of worked and that's when davis hit a couple shots while dray was technically gaurding him but he wasn’t really on him because he was helping off the screen. Here's the video proof. It's not even arguable you dumb lying fakkit. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QfP_nUoQfvY

[Bronbron23]

Tpols doesnt watch games, Draymond played like a superstar and Warriors get blown out by 50 without him

This. If you think dray didn't have a huge impact You either didn't watch or watched and don't know shit about the game

[ELITEpower23]

Tpols doesnt watch games, Draymond played like a superstar and Warriors get blown out by 50 without him

+1 Anyone who questions Draymond's value in that play-in game obviously did not watch it.

[scuzzy]

:lol

[Cold soul]

I mean I consider Curry a little overrated to begin with so this doesn’t hurt his legacy that much.

[highwhey]

5 star thread

[Stanley Kobrick]

0 points in 4th in clutch

0 points in overtime


humiliating, just fell back to top 50

[Stanley Kobrick]

5 star thread
:cheers:

[PeroAntic]

A smaller hit than Ja's legacy would have taken if he couldn't get past Steph Curry.

[tontoz]

0 points in 4th in clutch

0 points in overtime


humiliating, just fell back to top 50


Actually he did score in OT. 13 points total in the 4th and OT.

39 points with a TS of 63% in spite of being constantly doubled but I know you won't let the facts get in the way of your trolling.

[jayfan]

There is a good argument that Dillon Brooks is the best or most important player on the Grizzlies. He is the 2nd leading scorer, scoring threat from the perimeter and their best defender. The casual fan thinks it Ja Morant because of the highlights on sports center.
Valaciaunas is the key to the series between Golden State, they have no one who can match him on the inside.


1. There is no argument about it. Brooks is definitely their 2nd most important player. He's probably the best "completely slept on player for years" in the league.

2. It's Interesting that they won without Valanciunas being a factor at all. Or Jackson, Jr. Their bench really stepped up big.


.

[RRR3]

Actually he did score in OT. 13 points total in the 4th and OT.

39 points with a TS of 63% in spite of being constantly doubled but I know you won't let the facts get in the way of your trolling.
He scored something like 2-4 points in the last 10 minutes. LeBron would get killed for that.

[tpols]

He scored something like 2-4 points in the last 10 minutes. LeBron would get killed for that.

LeBron doesnt get doubled like that. What do you want him to do when he's trapped 40 feet from the hoop? Should he pull up from behind the half court line?

[ImKobe]

He scored something like 2-4 points in the last 10 minutes. LeBron would get killed for that.

Yeah, because Lebron wouldn't get doubled/tripled past half court. Steph made the right plays for the most part, not his fault Green didn't pull up for a wide open FT line jumper to win it in the 4th, or that Poole just threw the ball away down 3 in OT, or that Wiggins took the worst 3 of the game that killed all momentum.

[RRR3]

Yeah, because Lebron wouldn't get doubled/tripled past half court. Steph made the right plays for the most part, not his fault Green didn't pull up for a wide open FT line jumper, or that Poole just threw the ball away down 3 in OT, or that Wiggins took the worst 3 of the game that killed all momentum.
Classic goalpost moving.

[mehyaM24]

LeBron doesnt get doubled like that. What do you want him to do when he's trapped 40 feet from the hoop? Should he pull up from behind the half court line?

plenty of players get doubled & trapped. maybe not "40 feet" but if steph were bigger or could postup, this would be a non-issue. r3 is spot on. lebron would be ridiculed for it regardless of the excuse.

[ImKobe]

Classic goalpost moving.

Cut the crap. When Kobe shot over double teams, he was a ball hog & a cancer. When Steph does the opposite, he's not clutch and deserves all the blame?

[RRR3]

Cut the crap. When Kobe shot over double teams, he was a ball hog & a cancer. When Steph does the opposite, he's not clutch and deserves all the blame?
Yeah Kobe didn’t get half the excuses Steph gets, you’re right.

[tontoz]

He scored something like 2-4 points in the last 10 minutes. LeBron would get killed for that.


You do realize he played 47 minutes right? When was the last time LeBron played that many minutes?

After getting merked by Curry all night Memphis was going to make someone else beat them.

The end of regulation is a perfect example. They doubled Curry as soon as he crossed half court, leaving Green wide open. Literally nobody was within 10 feet of Green when he caught the ball. Memphis knew he would be scared to shoot.

[ImKobe]

Yeah Kobe didn’t get half the excuses Steph gets, you’re right.

Steph and Kobe both had the same excuse, their help sucked offensively.

[Cold soul]

Stephen Curry has only made the playoffs ONCE in his entire 12 year career without another All-Star on his team, and that year he got bounced in the first round by the Clippers.

The media and the rings are powerful things. I get it. The fans love a good bite-sized narrative. Curry isn’t a good floor general and doesn’t make players around him better.

[ImKobe]

Stephen Curry has only made the playoffs ONCE in his entire 12 year career without another All-Star on his team, and that year he got bounced in the first round by the Clippers.

The media and the rings are powerful things. I get it.
Fans love a good bite-sized narrative. Curry isn’t a good floor general and doesn’t make players around him better.

Might be the dumbest take in this thread.

[tontoz]

Stephen Curry has only made the playoffs ONCE in his entire 12 year career without another All-Star on his team, and that year he got bounced in the first round by the Clippers.

The media and the rings are powerful things. I get it. The fans love a good bite-sized narrative. Curry isn’t a good floor general and doesn’t make players around him better.


Lol dumbest take ever. Steph's ATG shooting and off ball movement opens up all kinds of easy opportunities for his teammates.

They scored 9 points in 6 minutes when Steph was on the bench to start the second quarter.

[1987_Lakers]

To be honest, Warriors finished with a 39-33 record. Kobe & Kareem both at their peak played on teams that had worse records. Curry carried that team, it's weird how some people still fail to realize that this is a team game.

[Cold soul]

Might be the dumbest take in this thread.

Curry isn’t a good playmaker or that great of a pure passer. How many countless turnovers did Curry have last night along with being careless with the ball.

[tpols]

plenty of players get doubled & trapped. maybe not "40 feet" but if steph were bigger or could postup, this would be a non-issue. r3 is spot on. lebron would be ridiculed for it regardless of the excuse.

Its a bit ridiculous to expect a point guard to be great in the post. And even then, he could still be doubled there. And then what? He kicks it out to Dray at the 3pt line? Because that's who the defense will funnel the ball to.

[Cold soul]

Lol dumbest take ever. Steph's ATG shooting and off ball movement opens up all kinds of easy opportunities for his teammates.

They scored 9 points in 6 minutes when Steph was on the bench to start the second quarter.

I’m not disagreeing with first part of your of your post I actually agree with it. As incredible as Steph is, he clearly cannot carry a team being the only elite superstar. His lackadaisical passing leading to sloppy turnovers, trying to do too much and truly awful defense is why.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Curry now has the two biggest choking seasons in nba history (2016 and 2021).

2016 - 73 win team that blows a 3-1 lead in finals

2021 - top 3 mvp finalist that loses both play in games, including a home game against a terrible grizzles team.

I guess that's what happens when you play no defense and rely heavily on 3 point shots. Boy I bet warriorsfan feels stupid, making a thread about every curry good game and it leads to not even making the playoffs hahahahah

[tontoz]

Since when is scoring 76 points in two games with a
TS of 65% considered choking? I think you've had your nose up Kawhi's ass too long.

[Cold soul]

Curry now has the two biggest choking seasons in nba history (2016 and 2021).

2016 - 73 win team that blows a 3-1 lead in finals

2021 - top 3 mvp finalist that loses both play in games, including a home game against a terrible grizzles team.

I guess that's what happens when you play no defense and rely heavily on 3 point shots. Boy I bet warriorsfan feels stupid, making a thread about every curry good game and it leads to not even making the playoffs hahahahah

Right it always backfires on them every single time. Let’s be honest Curry is a huge liability on defense it’s been that way since he entered the NBA.

[Bronbron23]

Lol dumbest take ever. Steph's ATG shooting and off ball movement opens up all kinds of easy opportunities for his teammates.

They scored 9 points in 6 minutes when Steph was on the bench to start the second quarter.

This is true. his shooting and movement may be the best ever. While it's true the attention he draws gives his guys great looks steph is also heavily reliant on these same teamates to give him 1000 screens a game. There is no one with out the other. Unlike most atg players steph needs screens to be effective.

And the other thing u and other steph fans neglect is how much his bad defense and playmaking hurt his team. Alot of the good he does is almost offset by all the bad he does. Again this is the difference between steph and the other atg players who inpact the game in other areas or at the very least didn't hurt their teams like steph does.

[1987_Lakers]

Curry now has the two biggest choking seasons in nba history (2016 and 2021).

2016 - 73 win team that blows a 3-1 lead in finals

2021 - top 3 mvp finalist that loses both play in games, including a home game against a terrible grizzles team.

I guess that's what happens when you play no defense and rely heavily on 3 point shots. Boy I bet warriorsfan feels stupid, making a thread about every curry good game and it leads to not even making the playoffs hahahahah

If 2021 was a choke for Curry than what was 2020 considered for Kwahi? :oldlol:

[tontoz]

This is true. his shooting and movement may be the best ever. While it's true the attention he draws gives his guys great looks steph is also heavily reliant on these same teamates to give him 1000 screens a game. There is no one with out the other. Unlike most atg players steph needs screens to be effective.

And the other thing u and other steph fans neglect is how much his bad defense and playmaking hurt his team. Alot of the good he does is almost offset by all the bad he does. Again this is the difference between steph and the other atg players who inpact the game in other areas or at the very least didn't hurt their teams like steph does.

How are they 5th in the league in defensive efficiency if his D is so bad? How does he lead the league in RPM if his defense is so bad.

To me his weakness isn't defense. It's turnovers. Earlier this year the wizards doubled him hard all game and he had probably his worst game of the year.

He doesn't handle doubles well and didn't have to deal with it as much in previous years. Definitely something he needs to work on. They would still be playing if he handled the doubles better.

[mehyaM24]

Its a bit ridiculous to expect a point guard to be great in the post. And even then, he could still be doubled there. And then what? He kicks it out to Dray at the 3pt line? Because that's who the defense will funnel the ball to.

and i'm saying plenty of players beat doubles/traps. i don't expect curry to post up either. that was just an example of what other greats faced. again, curry has innate gravity, and its special, but it also works against him. mostly because of his build.


This is true. his shooting and movement may be the best ever. While it's true the attention he draws gives his guys great looks steph is also heavily reliant on these same teamates to give him 1000 screens a game. There is no one with out the other. Unlike most atg players steph needs screens to be effective.

And the other thing u and other steph fans neglect is how much his bad defense and playmaking hurt his team. Alot of the good he does is almost offset by all the bad he does. Again this is the difference between steph and the other atg players who inpact the game in other areas or at the very least didn't hurt their teams like steph does.

i like curry & lebron, but earlier, i pointed out his defense here:

well he's a great scorer with all-time impact. without him, this warrior team is one of the worst in history. the problem i have with curry is his carelessness with the ball. too many nonchalant passes in big games, and his 7 turnovers yesterday were costly. his defense is also below average. morant went off for 35 so if we are being objective, curry's primary assignment gave him work.

can't talk about his incredible offensive weight, and then ignore his opponent steeling on him.

[RRR3]

How are they 5th in the league in defensive efficiency if his D is so bad? How does he lead the league in RPM if his defense is so bad.

To me his weakness isn't defense. It's turnovers. Earlier this year the wizards doubled him hard all game and he had probably his worst game of the year.

He doesn't handle doubles well and didn't have to deal with it as much in previous years. Definitely something he needs to work on. They would still be playing if he handled the doubles better.
RPM says he’s quite bad on defense so weird to cite it.

[tpols]

and i'm saying plenty of players beat doubles/traps. i don't expect curry to post up either. that was just an example of what other greats faced. again, curry has innate gravity, and its special, but it also works against him. mostly because of his build.

He did beat the traps. 39 points on 60+ TS. Gave Dray the ball with 20 feet of open air space on the game winner. What more do you want?

[mehyaM24]

He did beat the traps. 39 points on 60+ TS. Gave Dray the ball with 20 feet of open air space on the game winner. What more do you want?

there were many possessions he didn't though. earlier you said he "made the right play" by passing it out. but even that's debatable. ja morant also lit him on the other end - what about that?

[tontoz]

RPM says he’s quite bad on defense so weird to cite it.

His DRPM this year is .10. that isn't bad, it's average. The guards below are bad.



http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/1

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_20210522-121707.jpg

[tpols]

there were many possessions he didn't though. earlier you said he "made the right play" by passing it out. but even that's debatable. ja morant also lit him on the other end - what about that?

That's obviously not true since he produced on elite efficiency. Curry had more successful possesions than not. Morant dropped 35. Curry had 39. What's your point? And Morant wouldn't even step to guard Curry. He needed that brooks guy to do it. We would ve seen a 50 point game if Ja was on him. But he wasn't because he couldn't guard him and his coaches know that.

This really speaks to a GOAT standard... Chef at 39/5/5 is hated on... and then we hear about Morant dropping 35 as some type of dominator. Makes no sense. The fact of the matter is it is a team game and sometimes shit doesn't go your way. If Grayson Allen and that other scrub don't hit three straight 3s in OT, or if Dray makes a simple wide open floater, all of a sudden Curry is great. Those events don't happen and he sucks. Its a stupid argument.

[tontoz]

Not to mention that it was GS game plan to leave Morant open on the perimeter. They did that on Sunday and he was 1-6 from 3.

[Lebron23]

That's obviously not true since he produced on elite efficiency. Curry had more successful possesions than not. Morant dropped 35. Curry had 39. What's your point? And Morant wouldn't even step to guard Curry. He needed that brooks guy to do it. We would ve seen a 50 point game if Ja was on him. But he wasn't because he couldn't guard him and his coaches know that.

This really speaks to a GOAT standard... Chef at 39/5/5 is hated on... and then we hear about Morant dropping 35 as some type of dominator. Makes no sense. The fact of the matter is it is a team game and sometimes shit doesn't go your way. If Grayson Allen and that other scrub don't hit three straight 3s in OT, or if Dray makes a simple wide open floater, all of a sudden Curry is great. Those events don't happen and he sucks. Its a stupid argument.
You Blamed LeBron for losing to a Super Team like the2017 and 2018 Warriors. Even though he put up better numbers than Curry. A 32 years old and 33 years old LeBron won't be losing to these Grizzlies team.

[mehyaM24]

That's obviously not true since he produced on elite efficiency. Curry had more successful possesions than not. Morant dropped 35. Curry had 39. What's your point? And Morant wouldn't even step to guard Curry. He needed that brooks guy to do it. We would ve seen a 50 point game if Ja was on him. But he wasn't because he couldn't guard him and his coaches know that.

This really speaks to a GOAT standard... Chef at 39/5/5 is hated on... and then we hear about Morant dropping 35 as some type of dominator. Makes no sense. The fact of the matter is it is a team game and sometimes shit doesn't go your way. If Grayson Allen and that other scrub don't hit three straight 3s in OT, or if Dray makes a simple wide open floater, all of a sudden Curry is great. Those events happen and he sucks. Its a stupid argument.

curry was doubled/trapped most of the game. so unless you think he shot every possession, how is that NOT true? whether morant guarded curry or not is irrelevant. we're talking about "the goat" standard here. curry took on the task of defending ja and got smoked. defense is a big part of the game, so why are you trying to brush it off?

jordan, kobe, lebron, shaq etc have all produced bigtime and lost. curry isn't the first and wont be the last. you're out here in fantasy land, pretending like steph played perfect. far from.

[tpols]

Not to mention that it was GS game plan to leave Morant open on the perimeter. They did that on Sunday and he was 1-6 from 3.

Yup. Morant finally hit his jumpers. But 39 > 35 last I checked (maybe I'm wrong? Lets get a mathematician up in this bitch) but one guy is a hero and the other sucks. :oldlol:

*sigh* This is what its like to argue with simpletons.

Cant make this shit up. Now imagine what Morant would produce if he was doubled 30 feet from the hoop every play. Chef outproduces him while facing double the defensive attention. Smh.

[tontoz]

curry was doubled/trapped most of the game. so unless you think he shot every possession, how is that NOT true? whether morant guarded curry or not is irrelevant. we're talking about "the goat" standard here. curry took on the task of defending ja and got smoked. defense is a big part of the game, so why are you trying to brush it off?

jordan, kobe, lebron, shaq etc have all produced bigtime and lost. curry isn't the first and wont be the last. you're out here in fantasy land, pretending like steph played perfect. far from.


Lol. GS deliberately left Morant open on the perimeter. Just because he happened to make shots that doesn't mean Curry got smoked. They wanted Morant to shoot. He was 7-21 on Sunday.

[tpols]

Lol. GS deliberately left Morant open on the perimeter. Just because he happened to make shots that doesn't mean Curry got smoked. They wanted Morant to shoot. He was 7-21 on Sunday.

True. Curry actually played good defense and did exactly what was instructed of him. 35 points all of a sudden is smoked, but 39 sucks. Its hard to wrap ones mind around these clowns takes.

[mehyaM24]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl6GMToF5Eg

:27
1:24
3:22
3:32 (poor job of switching)
4:06

and these are only highlights of morant scoring. he also had 6 assists & drew a number of fouls on curry. overall, curry was not good on defense. had a lot of turnovers too, which cannot be excused for being doubled and trapped. i don't blame curry for the loss either, but acting like he didn't have costly mistakes is crazy.

[Bronbron23]

True. Curry actually played good defense and did exactly what was instructed of him. 35 points all of a sudden is smoked, but 39 sucks. Its hard to wrap ones mind around these clowns takes.

Good defense? Wtf were you smoking when u watched the game? Shit had you hallucinating

[Lebron23]

Good defense? Wtf were you smoking when u watched the game? Shit had you hallucinating

Tpols went from a Kobetard to a full blown Currytard.

[mehyaM24]

Good defense? Wtf were you smoking when u watched the game? Shit had you hallucinating

curry stans are out here wilding. someone needs to tell that guy steph is an entertainer. not a deity.

[tontoz]

Watching the second half now. Curry isn't guarding Morant at all he is on Brooks.

I did see a couple of defensive lapses though, once on a inbounds play.

[Bronbron23]

Tpols went from a Kobetard to a full blown Currytard.

It's all good i Don't blame anyone for being a fan of steph. He's probably the most exciting player in the game to watch and one of the most exciting players ever to watch all time. Just be honest about his impact is all. Don't make shit up.

[Bronbron23]

curry stans are out here wilding. someone needs to tell that guy steph is an entertainer. not a deity.

Yeah he is what he is. The best shooter ever and arguably one the most entertaining players ever to watch. If they just kept it at that their would be no problem

[Bronbron23]

Watching the second half now. Curry isn't guarding Morant at all he is on Brooks.

I did see a couple of defensive lapses though, once on a inbounds play.

Look at the bigger picture. For the same reason steph's presence makes their offence better that same presence makes their defense worse. It dosn't have to just be when his man beats him. The same way opposing defenses focus on steph makes it easier for others to score is the same way his presence on defence makes his teammates focus on his bad defense and help or sag off their man which makes it easier for their man to score. It only takes one weak link to break down your defense. Steph is that weak link.

[tontoz]

Look at the bigger picture. For the same reason steph's presence makes their offence better that same presence makes their defense worse. It dosn't have to just be when his man beats him. The same way opposing defenses focus on steph makes it easier for others to score is the same way his presence on defence makes his teammates focus on his bad defense and help or sag off their man which makes it easier for their man to score. It only takes one weak link to break down your defense. Steph is that weak link.

Yet they are 5th in defensive efficiency and Steph leads the NBA in RPM which takes defense into account.

You see what you want to see.

[RRR3]

RPM says Duncan Robinson is a good defender and believe me he’s not.

[tontoz]

RPM says Duncan Robinson is a good defender and believe me he’s not.


Why should I believe you? Per 48 minutes they give up 3.6 fewer pts with Robinson on the court.

http://www.82games.com/2021/20MIA11.HTM#onoff

[RRR3]

Why should I believe you? Per 48 minutes they give up 3.6 fewer pts with Robinson on the court.

http://www.82games.com/2021/20MIA11.HTM#onoff
:facepalm

Jesus Christ. Any Heat fan will tell you he’s bad at defense. Watch a ****ing game

[tontoz]

:facepalm

Jesus Christ. Any Heat fan will tell you he’s bad at defense. Watch a ****ing game


Funny I haven't seen any Heat fans complaining about his defense.

Last season it was the same story.

http://www.82games.com/1920/19MIA13.HTM#onoff

[tpols]

Steph Currys defensive RPM is 0. His offensive RPM is 7. For reference the next best is LeBron at 4.6.

You fellas need to let this sink in.

Currys offensive gravity, shooting, scoring, and playmaking are so elite that his offensive impact eclipses even the best players offensive AND defensive impact.

[Bronbron23]

Yet they are 5th in defensive efficiency and Steph leads the NBA in RPM which takes defense into account.

You see what you want to see.

This dude using rpm when it has already been proven unreliable in determining impact. Fred vanvleet has a better rpm than luka and kawhi.

Hey everyone according to tontoz fred is better than luka and kawhi :facepalm

[ImKobe]

Warriors went from worst record in the league to 8th best record in the West with Steph and were 2 - 7 without him this year in the games he missed.

[tontoz]

This dude using rpm when it has already been proven unreliable in determining impact. Fred vanvleet has a better rpm than luka and kawhi.

Hey everyone according to tontoz fred is better than luka and kawhi :facepalm

Maybe this season he has been.

Luka was pretty bad to start the season. People were making fun of him for being fat. Kawhi has missed a lot of games this year. Not sure what is going on there.

Last season Kawhi was 7th and Luka 9th. FVV was 52 which is still good.

[mehyaM24]

idk if it "hurts" steph's legacy overall, but it doesn't help it. i think a legit, playoff appearance would've validated his year A LOT more.

[tontoz]

They werent going to beat Utah and they did play two pretty epic play in games.

Sometimes a bitter loss can be a strong motivating factor in the off-season. Green needs to relearn how to make a shot. Steph needs to practice against double teams to cut down his turnovers.

[ImKobe]

They need more shooting so the opposing defenses can't do that shit to Curry. Klay coming back obviously helps, but they can't bank their entire season on his health either.

[HoopsNY]

idk if it "hurts" steph's legacy overall, but it doesn't help it. i think a legit, playoff appearance would've validated his year A LOT more.

This conversation is so convoluted, though. Golden State went 15-50 last year with Steph missing nearly the entire season. Steph returns and the team is 37-26. They had a +22 win differential between last year and this year.

It's not Steph's fault Oubre missed a ton of games and didn't work out.

It's not Steph's fault that Draymond has seen a significant decline offensively.

It's not Steph's fault that the #3 draft pick missed 27 games and looked mediocre this year.

And it's certainly not his fault that the play in rules had GS playing the defending champs while Memphis got to play San Antonio.

There has to be context to attached to this discussion.

[tontoz]

They need more shooting so the opposing defenses can't do that shit to Curry. Klay coming back obviously helps, but they can't bank their entire season on his health either.


Their cap situation is a nightmare. They can't even use their MLE really. They are so deep in the luxury tax it would be like signing a max free agent.

I think they should trade Wiseman while he still has some value. Letting Oubre walk will be addition by subtraction.

[PeroAntic]

His DRPM this year is .10. that isn't bad, it's average. The guards below are bad.



http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/1

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_20210522-121707.jpg

So Steph is a better defender than Dunn, Ntilikina, Avery Bradley? These are defensive specialists.

[tontoz]

So Steph is a better defender than Dunn, Ntilikina, Avery Bradley? These are defensive specialists.



Bradley played only 27 games this year. Frank played only 33. Hard to judge players when they miss most of the season.

Miami's defense is significantly better when Nunn is on the bench, 2 points per 48 minutes.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Impact metrics are garbage lmao, although interestingly enough Curry without Green on the floor with him (and vice versa) looks very suspect.....


As is losing to a 2nd year player that's still college aged :oldlol: :lol :roll: the only reason they even had a chance to make the playoffs was because of the play-in tournament, this team would have tanked in March if it weren't for that

[Axe]

Stephen Curry has only made the playoffs ONCE in his entire 12 year career without another All-Star on his team, and that year he got bounced in the first round by the Clippers.

The media and the rings are powerful things. I get it. The fans love a good bite-sized narrative. Curry isn’t a good floor general and doesn’t make players around him better.
Interesting. Which year was that? Was it 2014? Also yea, he's not an all-around player. His impact is greatly diminished when there is no all-star setting up screens for his threes and with scrubs, he may score a lot on an impressive ts although it doesn't translate to significant wins often. Especially against teams who have established their own positions in the playoffs for themselves.

[Axe]

This dude using rpm when it has already been proven unreliable in determining impact. Fred vanvleet has a better rpm than luka and kawhi.

Hey everyone according to tontoz fred is better than luka and kawhi :facepalm
Vanvleet having a good rpm in the finals was a result of curry's defense against opposing players who are considered to be on g-league levels, in the finals. I'm guessing it's like that because there's more thrill when anyone who doesn't have an all-star selection would flourish in the league's biggest stage and chef dingo made sure of that the last time they went to the championship round.

[light]

Most casual fans cant even name one player on the grizzlies, most fans in general probably can't even name grizzlies 2nd option outside of Morant

How incredibly bad does prime stephen curry's legacy get hit if him and DPOY/Allstar Draymond, 20ppg Wiggins, 20ppg Oubre, 2nd overall pick can't get over 2nd year, 21yo Ja Morant.

Curry is not going to take that much of a hit for this because we already knew he couldn't carry a team by himself. We understand that he's a player that needs specific talent around him.

And he already had an epic choke in 2016 so the bar for him is a bit lower.