Do you think the Spurs would have beaten Miami in the 2005 and 2006 finals

[coastalmarker99]

In this what-if pretend that Wade does not get hurt in the 2005 Ecf vs the Pistons and that Manu does not commit that dumb foul on Dirk in 2006.





Which means both teams met each other in the 2005 and 2006 finals who would you have winning out of both teams in those two years?


For me personally?




I would have the Spurs winning in 7 games In the 2005 finals against Miami



And then the spurs once again beating Miami in the 2006 finals this time in 6 games instead of 7.

[coastalmarker99]

It is honestly scary to think how close the Spurs were to winning 5 titles in a row in the mid-2000s as if Fisher's .04 shot didn't fall in or if Manu hadn't fouled Dirk in 2006 - they seriously could have 5-peated from (2003-2007)





As I think they beat the Pistons in 2004 and 2005 same with Miami in 2006 or 2005 if they had faced them instead of the Pistons that year.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Phil kobe Shaq in the 2000s won 4/5 playoff series again Duncan spurs.

2003 - Dirk's mavs had the #1 SRS and he got hurt halfway through series

2006 - spurs didn't deserve to make the finals because they lost to dirk when Jason Terry was suspended 1 game.

2007 spurs got lucky because suspension to amare

2008 - crushed by Kobe 4-1

And then didn't do nothing until kawhi got there. Kobe pretty much beat the prime out of Duncan in 2008 West finals, he was never the same after that hahaha

[coastalmarker99]

Phil kobe Shaq in the 2000s won 4/5 playoff series again Duncan spurs.

2003 - Dirk's mavs had the #1 SRS and he got hurt halfway through series

2006 - spurs didn't deserve to make the finals because they lost to dirk when Jason Terry was suspended 1 game.

2007 spurs got lucky because suspension to amare

2008 - crushed by Kobe 4-1

And then didn't do nothing until kawhi got there. Kobe pretty much beat the prime out of Duncan in 2008 West finals, he was never the same after that hahaha


The mid-2000's Spurs strategy vs the Suns (which more often than not worked) was to let Amare and Nash have theirs and shut down the others (3 point shooters). Amare/Nash were just not good enough to beat the Spurs especially since on the other side they couldn't stop the Spurs/Duncan (27.4 pts/13.8 rebs - 2005, 26.8 pts/13.7 rebs - 2007, 24.8 pts/13.8 rebs - 2008).


So I personally think even if Amare was not ruled out for one game in 2007 that the Spurs still would have won that series as Pop owns mike d'antoni's soul in the playoffs.




Also in 2008, Manu Ginobili was playing with a long list of injuries—an injured groin (end of the regular season) and an injured calf (earlier in the game).

Then, in the playoff series against the Lakers, he re-injured his bum ankle and continued to play, despite advice from teammates and coach Gregg Popovich. As if the Spurs didn't have Ginobili they stood no good chances of winning a series vs the lakers.



And even then the Spurs blew leads in the fourth quarter in both games 1 and 4 which would have most likely won them the series as they would have been up 3 games to 1 after the first 4 games

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The mid-2000's Spurs strategy vs the Suns (which more often than not worked) was to let Amare and Nash have theirs and shut down the others (3 point shooters). Amare/Nash were just not good enough to beat the Spurs especially since on the other side they couldn't stop the Spurs/Duncan (27.4 pts/13.8 rebs - 2005, 26.8 pts/13.7 rebs - 2007, 24.8 pts/13.8 rebs - 2008).


So I personally think even if Amare was not ruled out for one game in 2007 that the Spurs still would have won that series as Pop owns mike d'antoni's soul in the playoffs.




Also in 2008, Manu Ginobili was playing with a long list of injuries—an injured groin (end of the regular season) and an injured calf (earlier in the game).

Then, in the playoff series against the Lakers, he re-injured his bum ankle and continued to play, despite advice from teammates and coach Gregg Popovich. As if the Spurs didn't have Ginobili they stood no good chances of winning a series vs the lakers.



And even then the Spurs blew leads in the fourth quarter in both games 1 and 4 which would have most likely won them the series as they would have been up 3 games to 1 after the first 4 games

2003 Dirk could of beat Duncan because he usually had Duncan's number as shown in 2006

2007 suns is still questionable because Duncan couldn't defend amare on the pick and roll

Duncan didn't even make it a series in 2008 and averaged an awful 22PPG on 42% FG. They ran the offense through Duncan as he had a 32% usage and it led to an offense of 98.1 for spurs the entire series which is laughable.

Kawhi is a much better player, i will show you their numbers now.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=leonaka01&p1yrfrom=2016&p1yrto=2021&player_id2=duncati01&p2yrfrom=1999&p2yrto=2003

Comparing groups of seasons we will look at peaks for Kawhi Leonard (2016 - present) vs Tim Duncan (1999-2003)

Kawhi Leonard playoffs 2016-present: 2218 minutes, 28.7 PER, 26% win share, 10.9 BPM, 7.2 VORP

Tim Duncan playoffs 1999-2003: 2660 minutes, 27.4 PER, 24.4% win share, 8.7 BPM, 7.2 VORP

What sticks out to you? They are tied in VORP! Even though VORP is a stat that increases with more minutes. They are tied in VORP at 7.2 despite Kawhi Leonard playing 442 less minutes! which is like half of a championship playoff run. So VORP is telling you that Kawhi from 2016-present is TIERS better then Duncan from 1999-2003.

[coastalmarker99]

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=leonaka01&p1yrfrom=2016&p1yrto=2021&player_id2=duncati01&p2yrfrom=1999&p2yrto=2003

Comparing groups of seasons we will look at peaks for Kawhi Leonard (2016 - present) vs Tim Duncan (1999-2003)

Kawhi Leonard playoffs 2016-present: 2218 minutes, 28.7 PER, 26% win share, 10.9 BPM, 7.2 VORP

Tim Duncan playoffs 1999-2003: 2660 minutes, 27.4 PER, 24.4% win share, 8.7 BPM, 7.2 VORP

What sticks out to you? They are tied in VORP! Even though VORP is a stat that increases with more minutes. They are tied in VORP at 7.2 despite Kawhi Leonard playing 442 less minutes! which is like half of a championship playoff run. So VORP is telling you that Kawhi from 2016-present is TIERS better then Duncan from 1999-2003.


Please Kawhi could never do what Duncan did in 2003 in which he won the regular season Mvp and had one of the goat carry jobs in the playoffs that year.




Also on another note while your boy Kawhi loses to an overweight brian Windhorst after going up 3 games to 1 Duncan on the other hand single handily took down a three-peat team featuring prime Kobe and Shaq and he beat them In six games.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Please Kawhi could never do what Duncan did in 2003 in which he won the regular season Mvp and had one of the goat carry jobs in the playoffs that year.




Also on another note while your boy Kawhi loses to an overweight brian Windhorst after going up 3 games to 1 Duncan on the other hand single handily took down a three-peat team featuring prime Kobe and Shaq and he beat them In six games.

Duncan lost to dirk and Jason terry was suspended 1 game, that is even worse. That's like losing to Jokic and Jamal Murray is suspended 1 game.

Kawhi's advanced stats runs circles around Duncan's advanced stats for their peak years, no argument really.

Kawhi was able to beat giannis in the east finals and giannis was healthy the entire series, while Duncan was lucky that Dirk got hurt after like 2 games.

Also kawhi beating curry/draymond/klay is way more impressive then beating the Jason Kidd and Kenyon Martin nets.

So overall, kawhi's 2019 playoff run is just better then 03 Duncan. Faced better teams and hit bigger shots.

[3ball]

Kobe/Gasol swept and dominated the defending champion Spurs in 08'

All-time SG's are bad matchup for Spurs

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kobe/Gasol swept and dominated the defending champion Spurs in 08'

All-time SG's are bad matchup for Spurs

Duncan probably beat the worst finals teams ever

1999 - 8th seed Knicks led by Allan houston. Today they probably barely make the play in tournament.

2003- Kidd and Kenyon Martin nets who would be a 2nd round exit today

2005 - billups and rasheed pistons who would be a 1st round exit today

On top of that, he was pathetic in the 2005 finals and didn't even deserve finals MVP. So its like Duncan has two real finals MVPS, which is tie with current Kawhi.

[FultzNationRISE]

Spurs beat Miami in 05.

06 could go either way.

IMO.