View Full Version : The play-in games suck and will be a huge failure if maintained
ArbitraryWater
05-21-2021, 05:27 AM
A bunch of boring games between teams that ultimately won't move the needle.
The only reason it wasn't a complete failure this year, is because the Lakers had injuries and fell to 7.
There won't be that kind of star power / intrigue in years to come.
Spurs m8
05-21-2021, 05:32 AM
A bunch of boring games between teams that ultimately won't move the needle.
The only reason it wasn't a complete failure this year, is because the Lakers had injuries and fell to 7.
There won't be that kind of star power / intrigue in years to come.
You're so one dimensional lol
There's more to life than your hero
Pretty sure they're just in place due to covid anyway.. .
MrFonzworth
05-21-2021, 06:21 AM
Agreed, hopefully not a permanent thing. Would promote resting stars even more and would put even less value in the regular season
ArbitraryWater
05-21-2021, 06:38 AM
You're so one dimensional lol
There's more to life than your hero
Pretty sure they're just in place due to covid anyway.. .
Once more you look retarded
Full Court
05-21-2021, 08:45 AM
Yeah, I think the play-in is a bad idea, and I hope it ends after this year. The funny thing is that it looks like the 7th and 8th seeds are going to stay the same after the play in tournament, so what was the point?
LeCola
05-21-2021, 08:56 AM
No, it is a great idea and becomes successful.
There are teams fighting for:
- 6th seed to attend playoffs
- 8th seed to attend play-in with advantage
- 10th seed to attend play-in
At the end of the season, games were more competitive because there were less teams without a goal.
scuzzy
05-21-2021, 09:16 AM
I like it
And so do the ratings. GSW vs LAL was the most watched NBA game since 2019 WCF gm6-7
ralph_i_el
05-21-2021, 09:34 AM
Huh? The games in the west have been competitive and exciting so far...
tontoz
05-21-2021, 10:17 AM
It isn't just about the games themselves. The play in added a lot of urgency and story lines to the last few weeks of the season.
imdaman99
05-21-2021, 10:50 AM
Wizards would have tanked if there were no play-in games. They were 17-32 and 8 games behind the 8th seed. I know they made some crazy run at the end of the season, but odds are they pack it in with no 9-10 play-in games.
I like it
And so do the ratings. GSW vs LAL was the most watched NBA game since 2019 WCF gm6-7
:lol
ImKobe
05-21-2021, 12:32 PM
I like it
And so do the ratings. GSW vs LAL was the most watched NBA game since 2019 WCF gm6-7
Yeah, that Game 7 with Dame and Curry was an all-timer.
ralph_i_el
05-21-2021, 12:40 PM
Wizards would have tanked if there were no play-in games. They were 17-32 and 8 games behind the 8th seed. I know they made some crazy run at the end of the season, but odds are they pack it in with no 9-10 play-in games.
100%
The last 20 very exciting Wizards games never happen without that chance of going to the playoffs.
ArbitraryWater
05-21-2021, 12:53 PM
Huh? The games in the west have been competitive and exciting so far...
If you found pleasure in Grizzlies-Spurs, good for you...
only 1 game has been exciting, and thats because of an anamoly (Lakers dropping down).
We got another play-in game today or are the playoffs finally starting?
ArbitraryWater
05-21-2021, 12:53 PM
I like it
And so do the ratings. GSW vs LAL was the most watched NBA game since 2019 WCF gm6-7
wat
It’s literally unfair. Anyone defending it is just concerned about arbitrary “excitement” rather than actually fair competition. Imagine telling a 48-34 team they can’t make the playoffs because they lost ONE game to a 35-47 team. Because that could easily happen.
Xiao Yao You
05-21-2021, 01:06 PM
As if the competitive component weren’t enough to support it going forward, the play-in tournament also provides the league with a valuable product that offers novelty and appeal in the NBA’s next negotiation with broadcast partners. That might not translate to life-changing money for the NBA, but that revenue combined with some exciting midweek visibility featuring stars such as LeBron James, Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, Jayson Tatum, LaMelo Ball and Ja Morant makes for an appealing promotional opportunity that pays for itself. James might not be a fan, but league sources say the play-in is likely here to stay (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31469221/new-tournaments-roster-shakeups-casual-wear-lessons-wildest-nba-season-record).
– via Kevin Arnovitz, Brian Windhorst @ ESPN (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31469221/new-tournaments-roster-shakeups-casual-wear-lessons-wildest-nba-season-record)
Xiao Yao You
05-21-2021, 01:07 PM
It’s literally unfair. Anyone defending it is just concerned about arbitrary “excitement” rather than actually fair competition. Imagine telling a 48-34 team they can’t make the playoffs because they lost ONE game to a 35-47 team. Because that could easily happen.
both 8th seeds were 33-39 If you aren't at least 6th place too bad.
both 8th seeds were 33-39 If you aren't at least 6th place too bad.
It was a hypothetical.
tontoz
05-21-2021, 01:24 PM
It’s literally unfair. Anyone defending it is just concerned about arbitrary “excitement” rather than actually fair competition. Imagine telling a 48-34 team they can’t make the playoffs because they lost ONE game to a 35-47 team. Because that could easily happen.
First of all the 8 seed has to lose two straight games to miss the playoffs. Secondly it is pretty unlikely for the 10th seed to have 13 fewer wins than the 8 seed.
ArbitraryWater
05-21-2021, 01:27 PM
It’s literally unfair. Anyone defending it is just concerned about arbitrary “excitement” rather than actually fair competition. Imagine telling a 48-34 team they can’t make the playoffs because they lost ONE game to a 35-47 team. Because that could easily happen.
Thats the other aspect of it.
Its flat-out unfair. Its complete bullshit.
Its a fancy invention for drama, but at the end of the day, has nothing to do in a just sports league.
ArbitraryWater
05-21-2021, 01:28 PM
First of all the 8 seed has to lose two straight games to miss the playoffs. Secondly it is pretty unlikely for the 10th seed to have 13 fewer wins than the 8 seed.
One of the 7 or 8 seed will by default have to get into a 1-game shootout to keep their season alive, before the playoffs...
doesn't really sound just, does it.
999Guy
05-21-2021, 01:31 PM
It’s literally unfair. Anyone defending it is just concerned about arbitrary “excitement” rather than actually fair competition. Imagine telling a 48-34 team they can’t make the playoffs because they lost ONE game to a 35-47 team. Because that could easily happen.
Months back I made posts about how stupid people are and the obsession with rings is.
You can literally change the rules to how to win and turn the whole playoffs into a completely different thing.
Why is a better team determined by 7 game? Why not 3 or 13? Why not 1?
tontoz
05-21-2021, 01:36 PM
One of the 7 or 8 seed will by default have to get into a 1-game shootout to keep their season alive, before the playoffs...
doesn't really sound just, does it.
They knew they had to get the 6 seed to avoid the play in and didn't make it. Tough
At the end of the day it is entertainment. Win or go home games are interesting. That is a big reason why the NCAA tourney has been so popular.
7/8 seeds dont win in the first round very often anyway.
In 2019, both the 7th and 8th seed in the West were 48-3r (Spurs and Clippers). The 9th seed Kings were 39-43 and the 10th seed Lakers were 37-45. Now imagine if the Lakers had beat the Kings (if LeBron had got relatively healthy not a big stretch) and then beat the winner of the Spurs/Clippers game. You would have a team that won 45.1% of their games making it over a team that won 58.5% of their games because of ONE GAME. Can you imagine the uproar considering how much people hate LeBron? And yes I’m aware LeBron missed 27 games that year but that’s just the way it goes sometimes.
They knew they had to get the 6 seed to avoid the play in a didn't make it. Tough
At the end of the day it is entertainment. Win or go home games are interesting. That is a big reason why the NCAA tourney has been so popular.
And the teams that were 9th and 10th knew they had to be top 8 in the past. Jesus Christ stop defending Silver’s blatant money grabs. It’s embarrassing.
Airupthere
05-21-2021, 01:39 PM
I'm not a fan of this play-in thus far either. If anything, it is a delay to the actual playoffs.
ArbitraryWater
05-21-2021, 01:40 PM
They knew they had to get the 6 seed to avoid the play in a didn't make it. Tough
At the end of the day it is entertainment. Win or go home games are interesting. That is a big reason why the NCAA tourney has been so popular.
Lol what?
Now #6 becomes the ultimate barrier?
8 is the barrier.
Thats a 70+ year historical standard.
If you want to slim that down and act like beyond that you have no privileges, the playoffs dont make any sense.
Because 6 out of 15 teams is nothing to start the "real tournament" for.
If you prove yourself to be the better team over 82 games, it makes no sense to lose your spot in 1 game.
It just makes no sense. That's a fact.
The fact that anyone defends Silver is mind-boggling to me. Every move he makes is solely made to maximize profits. He has no concern with the actual game. This is different from Stern, despite all his flaws. Silver cannot and will not stop meddling with a product that was really good when he inherited it. He’s gonna install a 4 point line soon and you idiots will justify it.
HBK_Kliq_2
05-21-2021, 01:40 PM
ESPN's coverage of the Los Angeles Lakers' win in the Play-In Game over the Golden State Warriors was the highest rated telecast on the network since the 2019 Western Conference Finals.
The game generated 5,618,000 viewers and peaked with 6,149,000 for the last few minutes.
Its definitely not going anywhere. Ratings magnet.
Lol what?
Now #6 becomes the ultimate barrier?
8 is the barrier.
Thats a 70+ year historical standard.
If you want to slim that down and act like beyond that you have no privileges, the playoffs dont make any sense.
Because 6 out of 15 teams is nothing to start the "real tournament" for.
If you prove yourself to be the better team over 82 games, it makes no sense to lose your spot in 1 game.
It just makes no sense. That's a fact.
They don’t care. Daddy Silver can do no wrong. Embarrassing.
ArbitraryWater
05-21-2021, 01:41 PM
They don’t care. Daddy Silver can do no wrong. Embarrassing.
Its just entertainment and drama to them..
no sense of justice or order to be found.
Airupthere
05-21-2021, 01:46 PM
I like it
And so do the ratings. GSW vs LAL was the most watched NBA game since 2019 WCF gm6-7
Because of the matchup. I gather there won't be many games that will garner much interest. These will be mostly lower seeded teams.
Its just entertainment and drama to them..
no sense of justice or order to be found.
100%. It’s honestly infuriating to me. And idiots were telling me earlier I was just mad cuz I was worried Bron would lose in the play in. Well he won and I’m still mad about it, lol. What if we get robbed of seeing Curry in the playoffs? Curry already earned it and no one wants to see the goddamn inferior Grizzlies.
Shooter
05-21-2021, 01:51 PM
You mean you don't think viewers are salivating over a 10 seed Demar Spurs vs another weak ass 9 seed? :lol
Op is spot on. This year only worked because of injuries making LeBron vs Curry into a 7 vs 8 seed matchup.
tontoz
05-21-2021, 01:53 PM
Lol what?
Now #6 becomes the ultimate barrier?
8 is the barrier.
Thats a 70+ year historical standard.
If you want to slim that down and act like beyond that you have no privileges, the playoffs dont make any sense.
Because 6 out of 15 teams is nothing to start the "real tournament" for.
If you prove yourself to be the better team over 82 games, it makes no sense to lose your spot in 1 game.
It just makes no sense. That's a fact.
Have you even paid attention to what has been happening in recent years? Teams tanking for better draft picks. Teams resting star players on national TV games. Minimal drama the last few weeks of the season.
The play in games give teams a reason to play hard. Teams are going to play hard to make the play in rather than just tanking. Teams near the 6 spot will be less likely to rest stars and risk getting into the play in.
Is it fair for a family to pay several hundred dollars to attend a game only to find out one or more stars are sitting out to rest?
Have you even paid attention to what has been happening in recent years? Teams tanking for better draft picks. Teams resting star players on national TV games. Minimal drama the last few weeks of the season.
The play in games give teams a reason to play hard. Teams are going to play hard to make the play in rather than just tanking. Teams near the 6 spot will be less likely to rest stars and risk getting into the play in.
Is it fair for a family to pay several hundred dollars to attend a game only to find out one or more stars are sitting out to rest?
Yes let’s incentivize bad terms not to tank so they keep getting 10th seeds and never improving! Listen to yourself.
tontoz
05-21-2021, 02:09 PM
Yes let’s incentivize bad terms not to tank so they keep getting 10th seeds and never improving! Listen to yourself.
The league wants teams to play hard throughout the season. They changed the lottery odds specifically to discourage tanking.
You don't need to tank to improve. Miami lost the big 3 yet they still made the Finals last year without tanking.
They want the stars to play unless they are hurt. It isn't hard to understand.
ArbitraryWater
05-21-2021, 02:22 PM
Have you even paid attention to what has been happening in recent years? Teams tanking for better draft picks. Teams resting star players on national TV games. Minimal drama the last few weeks of the season.
The play in games give teams a reason to play hard. Teams are going to play hard to make the play in rather than just tanking. Teams near the 6 spot will be less likely to rest stars and risk getting into the play in.
Is it fair for a family to pay several hundred dollars to attend a game only to find out one or more stars are sitting out to rest?
You are a disgrace to logic.
Xiao Yao You
05-21-2021, 02:23 PM
Lol what?
Now #6 becomes the ultimate barrier?
8 is the barrier.
Thats a 70+ year historical standard.
If you want to slim that down and act like beyond that you have no privileges, the playoffs dont make any sense.
Because 6 out of 15 teams is nothing to start the "real tournament" for.
If you prove yourself to be the better team over 82 games, it makes no sense to lose your spot in 1 game.
It just makes no sense. That's a fact.
was 6 well into the 80's
The league wants teams to play hard throughout the season. They changed the lottery odds specifically to discourage tanking.
You don't need to tank to improve. Miami lost the big 3 yet they still made the Finals last year without tanking.
They want the stars to play unless they are hurt. It isn't hard to understand.
The league wants to squeeze more money out of people. That’s it. Stop justifying unfair competitive practices. Bad look.
tontoz
05-21-2021, 02:24 PM
You are a disgrace to logic.
So if you were working for the league you would want teams to tank? You would want stars to rest when they arent injured?
:facepalm
So if you were working for the league you would want teams to tank? You would want stars to rest when they arent injured?
:facepalm
Tanking is how teams get better. Your hero silver wants meh teams to stay meh forever.
tontoz
05-21-2021, 02:28 PM
The league wants to squeeze more money out of people. That’s it. Stop justifying unfair competitive practices. Bad look.
Unfair competitive practices? :roll:
Any money made from play in games would just be a drop in the bucket. It is just 6 games. There were 2160 games played before the play in.
tontoz
05-21-2021, 02:29 PM
Tanking is how teams get better. Your hero silver wants meh teams to stay meh forever.
So how did Miami get to the Finals last year? How did the Raps have 5 straight 50 win seasons?
The Cavs had the number 1 pick 3 times in a short time span but have been garbage without Lebron.
So how did Miami get to the Finals last year? How did the Raps have 5 straight 50 win seasons?
One of the main reasons is because of two lottery picks (Bam Adebayo, Tyler Herro) who played well. Especially Bam. Like I said bad teams get better through the draft. The worse you are the higher the pick and higher chance to get a star.
Unfair competitive practices? :roll:
Any money made from play in games would just be a drop in the bucket. It is just 6 games. There were 2160 games played before the play in.
There’s literally no rational argument for it not being unfair. The 33-39 Spurs had a chance to make it over the 40-32 Lakers lmao. “Fair” doeeeeee
DURRRRRRRR
Stick to gobbling Curry’s balls you’re bad at this.
insight
05-21-2021, 02:38 PM
The league wants to squeeze more money out of people. That’s it. Stop justifying unfair competitive practices. Bad look.
I don't disagree with you that the league tries to squeeze the most money out of people but the play in tournament was a good way to discourage tanking and meaningless games at the end of the season.
It's not only the league that wants to squeeze more money out of people, it's the players too. If anything the teams and the players have been disrespecting the fans more than the league.
The league changed the rules to promote scoring and make the product more entertaining. They attempted to get rid of tanking, and set up a bubble to continue the season. The teams have rested players, some have avoided playing players so they can trade them at the deadline. Players under contract have refused to play under contract and forced a trade to a super team. Heck how can the league be competitive if they don't have to draft well, the just can recruit the best players and pay the luxury tax?
tontoz
05-21-2021, 02:39 PM
One of the main reasons is because of two lottery picks (Bam Adebayo, Tyler Herro) who played well. Especially Bam. Like I said bad teams get better through the draft. The worse you are the higher the pick and higher chance to get a star.
:roll:
The fewest games they won post Lebron was 37 and that was due to injuries. Bam was picked at 14 after a .500 season. Herro was picked at 13.
They are a product of good management not tanking.
Xiao Yao You
05-21-2021, 02:42 PM
The fact that anyone defends Silver is mind-boggling to me. Every move he makes is solely made to maximize profits. He has no concern with the actual game. This is different from Stern, despite all his flaws. Silver cannot and will not stop meddling with a product that was really good when he inherited it. He’s gonna install a 4 point line soon and you idiots will justify it.
Michele Roberts: With respect to the play-in, frankly, that was something we could we could and we did negotiate. Players that were complaining? They had every right to complain—especially if you were a seven or an eight seed. No play-in and you would be relaxing right now, I get it. But there were teams that had a chance to be able to make it that felt differently. The only thing I’m concerned about is when we do have a voice in making decisions, those decisions are made by the governing body not Michele Roberts. Everything is run past the players and there is a direction that’s provided to the union. Will everybody in the union agree with it? Of course not. That’s okay. We’re not a monolith. Q: There were definitely some players who wouldn’t have complained if they were the fifth seed. Michele Roberts: That’s probably true. The players that complain about it are largely players in it. (https://www.si.com/nba/2021/05/21/michele-roberts-nbpa-retirement-nba-season) They’re saying If not for this nonsense I’d be at home enjoying a glass of wine. But I have no problem with that level of discontent, because it’s genuine.
– via Rohan Nadkarni @ Sports Illustrated (https://www.si.com/nba/2021/05/21/michele-roberts-nbpa-retirement-nba-season)
:roll:
The fewest games they won post Lebron was 37 and that was due to injuries. Bam was picked at 14 after a .500 season. Herro was picked at 13.
They are a product of good management not tanking.
Couldn’t have picked either if they made the playoffs. Stick to Curry ballwashing
tontoz
05-21-2021, 02:51 PM
Couldn’t have picked either if they made the playoffs. Stick to Curry ballwashing
So you think Pat Riley was trying to lose intentionally? Are you slow or do you just do good impressions?
How do you know they wouldn't have been able to pick Bam or Herro at 16? Do you know the draft boards of the teams picking 13-15 those years?
Just because a team misses the playoffs doesn't mean they were tanking. Sometimes a team just sucks or gets hit with injuries.
When teams tank they arent trying to get the 13th pick. :facepalm
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