So the only knock on MJ is that rookie MJ "only" did what peak Curry just did

[3ball]

8 seed and 1st Round loss

And everyone loses in their first few years if they weren't drafted to a good team, so I guess it makes sense that the only knock on the goat is actually not a knock at all.

Btw, Jordan's rookie team didn't have a lottery pick like Wiseman or veterans like Dray, Wiggins and others.. Curry's season was overrated.

[RRR3]

Didn’t know Curry has a second option equivalent to Orlando Woolridge.

[GrayGoat]

Didn’t know Curry has a second option equivalent to Orlando Woolridge.

That’s a wrap!

[3ball]

Didn’t know Curry has a second option equivalent to Orlando Woolridge.


Dray is a HOF'er according to the people you put faith in (media), while Curry had 2 Woolridge's with Wiggins or Oubre (seasoned vets that played on the same level as Woolridge throughout their career).

In addition to Dray and 2 Woolridge's, Curry also had a lottery pick Wiseman, while Jordan was the lottery pick.

No comparison

[ShawkFactory]

Wiseman played less than half of the games.

Oubre is trash.

[3ball]

Wiseman played less than half of the games.

Oubre is trash.


Dray is a HOF'er and seasoned champion veteran goat leader

Wiggins was an all-time talented #1 pick prodigy that is still quite serviceable

That alone is more than rookie MJ had

Oh, and the Warriors are a goat champion dynasty organization - curry simply had WAY MORE HELP than mj

[GrayGoat]

Dray is a HOF'er and seasoned champion veteran goat leader

Wiggins was an all-time talented #1 pick prodigy that is still quite serviceable

That alone is more than rookie MJ had

Oh, and the Warriors are a goat champion dynasty organization - curry simply had WAY MORE HELP than mj
This is false

[8Ball]

Orlando Woolridge averaged 23ppg and Jordan lost in 1st round.

Dwight Howard >>>>>> Isiah Thomas. Imagine losing 3 years in a row to a top 40 player.

[3ball]

This is false


Rookie Jordan had zero HOF teammates, zero goat organizations, zero prodigy #1 pick teammates and zero lottery draft picks like Wiseman (jordan was the draft pick)

So Jordan had way less help.. it isn't remotely close.

[ShawkFactory]

Dray is a HOF'er and seasoned champion veteran goat leader

Then why don't you just say him instead of naming injured and/or horrible players.

Steph also missed 9 games himself. They went 1-8 without him losing by an average at 18 PPG. 38-25 with Steph in the lineup, good for a 50 win season over 82 games. FAR greater than the below .500 Bulls.

The Warriors in general the 5th most injured team in basketball. Of playoff teams, only the Hawks had more games missed.

What Jordan did in his rookie year isn't in the same league as what Curry did this year.

[Ne 1]

1. Curry isn't the 8th seed just yet... let's not do Memphis like that lol

2. All we have ever heard about MJ was that he was this bona-fide winner, under no circumstances at every point in his career no matter what. We just want the same energy yall give everyone else when they fall short.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Dray is a HOF'er and seasoned champion veteran goat leader

Wiggins was an all-time talented #1 pick prodigy that is still quite serviceable

That alone is more than rookie MJ had

Oh, and the Warriors are a goat champion dynasty organization - curry simply had WAY MORE HELP than mj

I agree with 3ball here, Draymond is like a pippen but everybody loves Pippen and hates Draymond? i don't get it.

Curry didn't carry shit this season, his on\off is not even better then Draymond and they are just an 8th seed.

[GrayGoat]

I agree with 3ball here, Draymond is like a pippen but everybody loves Pippen and hates Draymond? i don't get it.

Curry didn't carry shit this season, his on\off is not even better then Draymond and they are just an 8th seed.
Pippen is better playmaker and defender. Even if Pippen’s offense wasn’t going he’d still give you 15ppg. Draymond might give you 0 fvcking pts

[Xiao Yao You]

Didn’t know Curry has a second option equivalent to Orlando Woolridge.

Green is better than a coked up empty stat Woolridge

[RRR3]

Green is better than a coked up empty stat Woolridge
Not at scoring he’s not and that’s all OP cares about.

[3ball]

Not at scoring he’s not and that’s all OP cares about.


I'm using the logic you want

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Pippen is better playmaker and defender. Even if Pippen’s offense wasn’t going he’d still give you 15ppg. Draymond might give you 0 fvcking pts

Draymond has 3 seasons that are higher then Pippen's best assist years (16,18,21) and his 2017 season ties Pippen's career best.

This year in particular, 8.9 assists with morons like Oubre and Wiggins on his team.

[3ball]

Then why don't you just say him instead of naming injured and/or horrible players.

Steph also missed 9 games himself. They went 1-8 without him losing by an average at 18 PPG. 38-25 with Steph in the lineup, good for a 50 win season over 82 games. FAR greater than the below .500 Bulls.

The Warriors in general the 5th most injured team in basketball. Of playoff teams, only the Hawks had more games missed.

What Jordan did in his rookie year isn't in the same league as what Curry did this year.


Your excuse is injuries?

Jordan joined a lottery organization. He didn't have championship coaching or organization, let alone HOF teammates like Dray or #1 draft picks like Wiseman or Wiggins.

And Jordan was a rookie no less.. yet still better than peak Curry







Then why don't you just say him instead of naming injured and/or horrible players.





Rookie and sophomore Lebron had an all-star center on his team, but only won 40 games.

Furthermore, the all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas had 2 years of building in the lottery (draft picks, acquisitions) before entering the playoffs in Year 3 as a favored, high seed... It's fraud to compare a seasoned, high seed to rookie Jordan's 8 seeds that had zero building or additions.

Lebron's additions included a 22/5/5 all-defender and the future COY (top defenses).. These developed, high seeds easily competed in a conference that 1-star teams were winning, while MJ had a Curry-like 8 seed in a conference that required a super-team to win it.

[ShawkFactory]

2021 Dray: 7 PPG on 42%, 13.0 PER, .112 WS/48, 1.5 BPM, 1.8 VORP ***Draymond is the only player on the team other than Curry who even had a positive BPM**

1985 Woolridge: 23 PPG on 53%, 19.8 PER, .154 WS/48, 2.1 BPM, 2.5 VORP

And again, Steph also missed 9 games himself. They went 1-8 without him losing by an average of 18 PPG. 38-25 with Steph in the lineup, good for a 50 win season over 82 games. FAR greater than the below .500 Bulls. Without Steph last year the Warriors won 15 games :lol

The Warriors in general the 5th most injured team in basketball. Of playoff teams, only the Hawks had more games missed.

[tpols]

Nope. MJ led his team to a losing record. The Warriors have a winning record. So he couldnt match Chef.

[Airupthere]

GSW is a topnotch organization.

Meanwhile this is what rookie Jordan had to deal with.

“Look, guys were doing things I didn’t see [before],” Jordan said in “The Last Dance.” “I had one event, preseason … I think we were in Peoria. It’s in a hotel, so I’m trying to find my teammates. So I start knocking on doors and I get to this one door and I knock on the door and I could hear someone say, ‘Shh, shh, shh, someone’s outside.’ And then you hear this deep voice say, ‘Who is it?’ I say, ‘MJ.’ And then they all say, ‘Ah [expletive], he’s just a rookie, don’t worry about it.’

“So they open up the door, I walk in and practically the whole team was in there. And it was like things I’ve never seen in my life as a young kid. You got your lines over here, you got your weed smokers over here, you got your women over here. So the first thing I said was, ‘Look, man, I’m out.’ Because all I can think about is if they come and raid this place right about now, I am just as guilty as everybody else in this room. And from that point on, I was more or less on my own.”

Stats will be filled up by woolridge and other players but they don't represent the true value of those players.

[tpols]

Dray is a HOF'er and seasoned champion veteran goat leader

Wiggins was an all-time talented #1 pick prodigy that is still quite serviceable

That alone is more than rookie MJ had

Oh, and the Warriors are a goat champion dynasty organization - curry simply had WAY MORE HELP than mj

:roll:

Dray led them to a 15 win season last year as the "champion veteran GOAT leader"

Dray is a 2nd round talent. Pippen was a top 5 elite lotto pick. You complain about Pippen 16 ppg... Dray scores 6 ppg in an era that's even easier to score in. You have no clue what bad even is.

[Shooter]

Didn’t know Curry went 1 for 10 in three 1st round exits :roll::roll:
Next

[GrayGoat]

Draymond green peak offense is 14ppg. Pippen is 22ppg. Not a comparison

[3ball]

2021 Dray: 7 PPG on 42%, 13.0 PER, .112 WS/48, 1.5 BPM, 1.8 VORP ***Draymond is the only player on the team other than Curry who even had a positive BPM**

1985 Woolridge: 23 PPG on 53%, 19.8 PER, .154 WS/48, 2.1 BPM, 2.5 VORP

And again, Steph also missed 9 games himself. They went 1-8 without him losing by an average of 18 PPG. 38-25 with Steph in the lineup, good for a 50 win season over 82 games. FAR greater than the below .500 Bulls. Without Steph last year the Warriors won 15 games :lol

The Warriors in general the 5th most injured team in basketball. Of playoff teams, only the Hawks had more games missed.


The 2021 Warriors had a top 5 defense because they had DPOY and HOF Draymond alongside athletic #1 draft picks like Wiggins/Wiseman/Oubre and dynasty coaching/organization.

So rookie Jordan had no help compared to peak Curry

.

[tpols]

Draymond green peak offense is 14ppg. Pippen is 22ppg. Not a comparison

He scored 7 ppg this season lmao. On 42% shooting. 3ball would lose his mind if Pippen ever produced like that. Plus Pippen was also a better defender.

[3ball]

He scored 7 ppg this season lmao. On 42% shooting. 3ball would lose his mind if Pippen ever produced like that. Plus Pippen was also a better defender.


That's what Pippen did as a rookie, but the DPOY/scoring champ/MVP carried him to 50 wins and the 3 seed... So only rookie Jordan is anywhere in the vicinity of where peak Curry could get a glimpse of him

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Draymond green peak offense is 14ppg. Pippen is 22ppg. Not a comparison

but Draymond has led his team in VORP to the finals (2016). While Pippen has never led his team in VORP to the finals.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

:roll:

Dray led them to a 15 win season last year as the "champion veteran GOAT leader"

Dray is a 2nd round talent. Pippen was a top 5 elite lotto pick. You complain about Pippen 16 ppg... Dray scores 6 ppg in an era that's even easier to score in. You have no clue what bad even is.

When has Curry ever proved to lead a team to a good season when Draymond missed the whole season?

Draft picks on evaluating players careers lol ok

Tom Brady is a 299th pick, Ryan Leaf was a #1 pick.

[tpols]

That's what Pippen did as a rookie, but the DPOY/scoring champ/MVP carried him to 50 wins and the 3 seed... So only rookie Jordan is anywhere in the vicinity of where peak Curry could get a glimpse of him

EXACTLY.

So peak Dray plays like rookie Pippen. Prime Pippen blows him away. The 2nd 3peat Pippen you shit on scored on more than double volume. Peak Pippen in 1994 scored on triple volume. While leading the league in DRTG playing GOAT defense.

This won't end well for you. :lol

[ShawkFactory]

The 2021 Warriors had a top 5 defense because they had DPOY and HOF Draymond alongside athletic #1 draft picks like Wiggins/Wiseman/Oubre and dynasty coaching/organization.

So rookie Jordan had no help compared to peak Curry

.

Wiggins, Wiseman, and Oubre ALL had a negative BPM. They were negative players. Wiseman was -5.4, one of the worst in the NBA. Oubre wasn't much better at -2.1. Both performed below replacement level. And this is evident given the Warriors record when Steph was out (1-9, losing by an average of 18 points per game). They were 38-25 when Steph played, good for 50 wins in an 82 games schedule. FAR better than the below .500 Bulls.

[Shooter]

Wiggins, Wiseman, and Oubre ALL had a negative BPM. They were negative players. Wiseman was -5.4, one of the worst in the NBA. Oubre wasn't much better at -2.1. Both performed below replacement level. And this is evident given the Warriors record when Steph was out (1-9, losing by an average of 18 points per game). They were 38-25 when Steph played, good for 50 wins in an 82 games schedule. FAR better than the below .500 Bulls.

And SCENE :lol

[tpols]

Wiggins, Wiseman, and Oubre ALL had a negative BPM. They were negative players. Wiseman was -5.4, one of the worst in the NBA. Oubre wasn't much better at -2.1. Both performed below replacement level. And this is evident given the Warriors record when Steph was out (1-9, losing by an average of 18 points per game). They were 38-25 when Steph played, good for 50 wins in an 82 games schedule. FAR better than the below .500 Bulls.

Straight ether. :lol

1-9 without Curry (hmm... I've seen those numbers before)

15 win season last year with Dray as the captain.

The guy dragged a lotto team to a winning record.

[3ball]

BPM is a steals counter and means nothing

The 2021 Warriors had a top 5 defense (proving that BPM doesn't measure defense) because they had DPOY Draymond alongside athletic #1 draft picks and dynasty coaching/organization.

Rookie Jordan had nothing and far less help.. peak curry is weak for only getting the 8 seed

[Shooter]

BPM is a steals counter and means nothing

The 2021 Warriors had a top 5 defense because they had DPOY and HOF Draymond alongside athletic #1 draft picks like Wiggins/Wiseman/Oubre and dynasty coaching/organization.

And Scene means STFu it's over. Roll the credits.

[RRR3]

These threads are gonna start for Zion and Luka in a few years. Just ban OP already.

[LeCola]

Draymond Green (9 seasons):
1x DPOY
2x All-Nba
5x All-Defensive
3x All Star
1x MVP Award Shares
3x Ring
1x Steals Champion

Orlando Woolridge (13 seasons):
0x DPOY
0x All-Nba
0x All-Defensive
0x All Star
0x MVP Award Shares
0x Ring
0x Steals Champion

[ShawkFactory]

BPM is a steals counter and means nothing

The 2021 Warriors had a top 5 defense (proving that BPM doesn't measure defense) because they had DPOY Draymond alongside athletic #1 draft picks and dynasty coaching/organization.

Rookie Jordan had nothing and far less help.. peak curry is weak for only getting the 8 seed

They were negative VORP guys too :oldlol:

And it showed how negative the rest of the team was given how they functioned without Steph. They're a 9 win team when Curry missed games, and a 50 win team when he played. And of course it's not just the value. We can also discuss the scoring title on a ridiculous 65 TS%.

[8Ball]

Draymond Green (9 seasons):
1x DPOY
2x All-Nba
5x All-Defensive
3x All Star
1x MVP Award Shares
3x Ring
1x Steals Champion

Orlando Woolridge (13 seasons):
0x DPOY
0x All-Nba
0x All-Defensive
0x All Star
0x MVP Award Shares
0x Ring
0x Steals Champion

Orlando Woolridge:

23ppg.

Draymond Green:

Never did it.

[tpols]

Bulls were 38-44. They'd be the 10 or 11 seed with the Derozan Spurs and lotto Kings with that record.

:lol

They wouldn't even be a playoff team today lmao.

[ShawkFactory]

Orlando Woolridge:

23ppg.

Draymond Green:

Never did it.

Woolridge- 22.9 PPG

Dray- 22.4 PPG....when you add his averages together from the last THREE seasons :roll:

[3ball]

Orlando Woolridge:

23ppg.

Draymond Green:

Never did it.


I think Dray is vastly overrated but nonetheless, bummy lottery teams don't have top 5 defenses

The Warriors are a championship organization

I actually expect Ja to get taught a lesson by a real playoff defense against the Warriors.. They will shut him down and Curry won't have shit to do with it.

[ShawkFactory]

I think Dray is vastly overrated but nonetheless, bummy lottery teams don't have top 5 defenses

The Warriors are a championship organization

I actually expect Ja to get taught a lesson by a real playoff defense against the Warriors.. They will shut him down and Curry won't have shit to do with it.

So um...you know that guy Wiseman who you keep hyping as a #1 pick? Um...given that less than a year ago the Warriors had the number 1 overall pick...doesn't that kinda make them the definition of a bummy lottery team? :lol

15 wins last year (bummy lotto). 1-9 this year. Then someone else started playing.

[NBAGOAT]

The warriors are a good defense for sure because dray is still good, but that doesn’t matter, they’re the worst offense in league with even another all star instead of curry and wouldn’t crack 30 wins in 82 game year. I like say trae young a lot but gs is a joke with him instead of curry trying to carry an offense with bad shooting and talent around him.

Dray is not very helpful on that end and Wiggins is only other serviceable talent (he’s just average). Wiseman was god awful, oubre was very bad. Their bench is lowkey not awful but made up of absolute no names who are role players and wouldn’t get minutes on pretty much any other playoff team. it’s kind of a miracle that a team in 2021 can make the playoffs with Andrew Wiggins as the 2nd option

[LeCola]

Orlando Woolridge:

23ppg.

Draymond Green:

Never did it.

Westbrook:

4x averaging triple double

Lebron:

Never did it.

[paksat]

what are you trying to prove here 3ball? That jordan is better than lebronze? The only people that don't believe that is simon and his 20,000 alts

[Axe]

Nope. MJ led his team to a losing record. The Warriors have a winning record. So he couldnt match Chef.
So you are against your own master now huh? :ohwell:

[3ball]

Lol... Looks like the biggest knock on MJ is that rookie MJ exceeded what peak Curry just did

[light]

The knock on MJ is that Pippen led the Bulls better without Jordan than Jordan did without Pippen.

No Pip No Chip.

[ShawkFactory]

Lol... Looks like the biggest knock on MJ is that rookie MJ exceeded what peak Curry just did

50 wins vs 38 wins. Both 8 seeds that lost. One scoring champ one not.

Pretty obvious who had the more impressive season.