Kawhi legacy if the Clippers losses to the Mavericks

[Lebron23]

Is he a top 45 player of all time?

[Spurs m8]

Who cares lol

Why we gotta always rank these cvnts all the time?

Depends what else happens in his career, and he could be around 8 years or something

[Lebron23]

Who cares lol

Why we gotta always rank these cvnts all the time?

Depends what else happens in his career, and he could be around 8 years or something

Because people comparing him to LeBron. He's not in the same tier as LeBron. This is LeBron if his team lost to 2018 Celtics.

[coin24]

Still better than LeTiny

[Sulico]

He is already top 45 and have a lot of basketball left in him.

[8Ball]

What legacy?

[Stanley Kobrick]

still more respectable than stephen curry losing to dillon brooks with HCA

[r0drig0lac]

still more respectable than stephen curry losing to dillon brooks with HCA:(

[StrongLurk]

Clips will beat the Mavs, they have a lot more talent.

[Cold soul]

Clips will beat the Mavs, they have a lot more talent.

Eh not sure about that. The more talented team for sure but Mavs seem to have the Clippers number for whatever reason. I have the Mavs winning this series

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He can fall off a cliff tomorrow and still be top 10 all time. His legacy was already cemented when he won two finals mvps while stopping two different 3 peats.

[TheCorporation]

He can fall off a cliff tomorrow and still be top 10 all time. His legacy was already cemented when he won two finals mvps while stopping two different 3 peats.

Most lists have him top 40 because his longevity sucks and he won a Finals MVP with like 15 ppg :lol

Let's give him some more time to have more quality seasons before we can push him into the top 25 let alone 10. He has a ways to go, young fella but keep your head up.

[tontoz]

Tanking to avoid the Lakers then losing to the Mavs would be pretty comical.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Most lists have him top 40 because his longevity sucks and he won a Finals MVP with like 15 ppg :lol

Let's give him some more time to have more quality seasons before we can push him into the top 25 let alone 10. He has a ways to go, young fella but keep your head up.

Don't most lists have guys like Karl Malone in the top 15 though lol or even curry or Kevin Garnett

[k0kakw0rld]

Because people comparing him to LeBron. He's not in the same tier as LeBron. This is LeBron if his team lost to 2018 Celtics.

Get a life !! Hes got a winning record over LeBron and won a ring and FMVP over him as well.

[TheCorporation]

Don't most lists have guys like Karl Malone in the top 15 though lol or even curry or Kevin Garnett

Yes but Malone or KG have a regular season MVP which is the hardest award to win in the NBA...And they also have tons of longevity. Curry is in a different class above Kawhi all together.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Yes but Malone or KG have a regular season MVP which is the hardest award to win in the NBA...And they also have tons of longevity. Curry is in a different class above Kawhi all together.

None of those guys you named ever came close a playoff run like 2019 kawhi. Playoffs is when the big boys play. The guys you named are Steve Nash level

[deathawaitu]

Still ranked higher than Lebron.

[TheCorporation]

Still ranked higher than Lebron.

I mean, he is getting closer. He is almost top 20. Currently at 22. Keeping going little fella!

https://i.postimg.cc/65LC7tWT/Top-1-vs-Top-22-Close-lol.png

[DJmicah]

Leonard overrated IMO.

* Stacked spurs team with all time great coaching first half of his career with decent numbers (17.8 points, 6.4 rebounds, 2.0 assists)
* Even with that he didn't lead the spurs to anything (clippers and thunder losses in playoffs, and no he wasn't gonna beat the GSW in 2017)
* He did win DPOY
* ALLEGEDLY quit on spurs and got traded
* 2019 he joins an already top team in the east and has ONE AMAZING PLAYOFF RUN (28.5, 9.8, 4.2)
* Makes his own stacked team in LA and underachieves in a MAJOR way in first year (Chokes a 3-1 lead)

[Axe]

Get a life !! Hes got a winning record over LeBron and won a ring and FMVP over him as well.
He already got himself a very good team in the east two seasons ago. But after winning his second ring and finals mvp i guess he had to left out of respect for a stunned demar derozan lol. It wasn't just disclosed tho.

[Jasper]

everyone on his bandwagon / but me .

Remember last year when he quite ?

[DJmicah]

everyone on his bandwagon / but me .

Remember last year when he quite ?

bruh this is all his has to his name :oldlol:

2014 FMVP w/ spurs (17.8 points, 6.4 rebounds, 2.0 assists)
2 DPOY awards w/ spurs
2019 FMVP without the spurs (28.5 points, 9.8 boards, 4.2 assists)

[Phoenix]

He can fall off a cliff tomorrow and still be top 10 all time. His legacy was already cemented when he won two finals mvps while stopping two different 3 peats.

He wouldn't be top ten if you removed the first 50 years of NBA basketball. In no particular order:

Shaq
Lebron
Kobe
Duncan
KD
Curry
Garnett
Dirk
Wade
Giannis

Took like 30 seconds to come up with a list of players just in the last 20-25 years that he has no rational reason to be ranked over. That's not including guys like Harden and even CP3. If he end up losing to the Mavs led by a pre-prime Luka you need to go on suicide watch.

[Cold soul]

Kawhi hasn’t been the same player since his great postseason run back in 2019.

[Phoenix]

Kawhi hasn’t been the same player since his great postseason run back in 2019.

He's never had the burden of actually being a team 'leader'. Clearly he can win as the best player but the lockerroom needs leadership ( Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, Lowry) where all he needs to do basically is ball.

[Cold soul]

He's never had the burden of actually being a team 'leader'. Clearly he can win as the best player but the lockerroom needs leadership ( Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, Lowry) where all he needs to do basically is ball.

That’s very true well said. Kawhi has never been a good leader he’s more of a follower than a natural born leader. Kawhi hasn’t been elite lockdown defender since his Spurs days.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kawhi hasn’t been the same player since his great postseason run back in 2019.

he's clearly the same player, just carrying more of a burden playing better teams.

[SouBeachTalents]

Series is still far from over, but following up the Denver choke with a first round exit, another as the big favorite, would be a pretty catastrophic 2 year run.

Though tbf to Kawhi I’m not gonna give him too much shit, he’s averaging like 35 ppg in the series so far, there’s only so much one player can do

[hold this L]

He can fall off a cliff tomorrow and still be top 10 all time from the last 10 years. His legacy was already cemented when he won two finals mvps while stopping two different 3 peats.
Agreed.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Above Curry.

[HoopsNY]

He's never had the burden of actually being a team 'leader'. Clearly he can win as the best player but the lockerroom needs leadership ( Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, Lowry) where all he needs to do basically is ball.

Great point. I think Kawhi is a top 30 player. A lot of what happened in Toronto was off of the strength of Lowry's leadership, which isn't always mentioned.

Having said that, it appears that Kawhi is actually more suited to be the #2 guy, even if he's the #1 scoring option. He's definitely a weird player and what has happened so far these last two seasons is pretty embarrassing.

[HoopsNY]

Above Curry.

It's actually a really great question. If Kawhi is top 30, then why is Curry ranked top 15? At their best, I'm probably picking Kawhi.

[Jasper]

If he fails this year , I really wonder if he is a HOF candidate.
Right now he is maybe in my top 40, but that is iffy....
He picks his moments to play , granted he is above average during those times...
but those times when his offense is playing 4 on 5 or the defense , he looks like a waste.
(problem is I wonder how a franchise can justify this?)

[SouBeachTalents]

If he fails this year , I really wonder if he is a HOF candidate.
Right now he is maybe in my top 40, but that is iffy....
He picks his moments to play , granted he is above average during those times...
but those times when his offense is playing 4 on 5 or the defense , he looks like a waste.
(problem is I wonder how a franchise can justify this?)
Retarded

[Wally450]

What legacy?

This.

[Jasper]

Retarded

what would make him in your opinion a hof , creampuff

[Code Breaker]

He’s 2/2 in the finals and 2X FMVP his legacy is fine.

[Code Breaker]

what would make him in your opinion a hof , creampuff

NBA HOF requirements isn’t all that difficult dude.

[J Shuttlesworth]

He can fall off a cliff tomorrow and still be top 10 all time. His legacy was already cemented when he won two finals mvps while stopping two different 3 peats.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

NBA HOF requirements isn’t all that difficult dude.
Even if they were Kawhi would still easily make it

[BlakFrankWhite]

It's actually a really great question. If Kawhi is top 30, then why is Curry ranked top 15? At their best, I'm probably picking Kawhi.

Yup. This forum is so obsessed with LeBron that comparison of other players are rarely posted.

[Code Breaker]

Even if they were Kawhi would still easily make it

Yep 2X Champ, 2X FMVP, 2X, DPOY, etc.

[RRR3]

It's actually a really great question. If Kawhi is top 30, then why is Curry ranked top 15? At their best, I'm probably picking Kawhi.
:facepalm


Kawhi isn’t close to Curry

[pandiani17]

Well, cosidering some fans outlook, losing in the first round is better than losing in the finals, so his legacy wouldn't take much of a hit.

[Shooter]

I mean, he is getting closer. He is almost top 20. Currently at 22. Keeping going little fella!

https://i.postimg.cc/65LC7tWT/Top-1-vs-Top-22-Close-lol.png

Good luck Kawhi! Can he break top 20?

[8Ball]

Better than Clyde Drexler and Charles Barkley that's for sure.

[lakerstekkenn]

The Clippers never addressed their inside defense size problems, their to small on the inside & can't stop anybody, other teams just score on them easily, this happened last year with Denver, they just got outplayed on the inside plus Denver's center the Joker he couldn't be stopped because the Clippers are to small, but the Lakers size & inside defense bothered him slowing him down.

This has nothing to do with Kawhi's legacy if management & the coaching staff doesn't recognize their problems.

[ImKobe]

The Clippers never addressed their inside defense size problems, their to small on the inside & can't stop anybody, other teams just score on them easily, this happened last year with Denver, they just got outplayed on the inside plus Denver's center the Joker he couldn't be stopped because the Clippers are to small, but the Lakers size & inside defense bothered him slowing him down.

This has nothing to do with Kawhi's legacy if management & the coaching staff doesn't recognize their problems.

They still play the same garbage defense they did with Doc. They made 0 adjustments from last year. Beverley and Morris are still guarding Luka :kobe: .

[Uncle Drew]

What legacy, what has he ever done? The one thing he has done in his career worth mentioning is becoming bleaker by the minute. The further we advance, the more it is becoming evident that the Raptors title was indeed the Raptors title. No Kyle, no smile.

[HoopsNY]

:facepalm


Kawhi isn’t close to Curry

Why? We saw what Kawhi was able to do in the finals in 2014, and he ultimately changed the trajectory of that series in games 3-4-5. He put up 24/9/2/2/2 with less than 2 TO's on 70%. Not to mention he played LeBron well defensively.

Curry has 2 title runs and ultimately 3 appearances with Kevin Durant as a teammate, on a super-team. Kawhi's 2019 playoffs is more memorable than any of Steph's performances, which has often been lack luster. And Steph's performance in 2015 was lacking, not to mention the injuries to Love and Kyrie. He has 0 FMVPs in 5 appearances.

Kawhi was the best two way player in the game. Steph was never that. So why isn't he "close" to Curry if we're talking about who you would take at their best?

[1987_Lakers]

When it's all said and done I see Kawhi being ranked somewhere in the 20-25 range.

[SouBeachTalents]

When it's all said and done I see Kawhi being ranked somewhere in the 20-25 range.
His teams are gonna have to start doing better in the playoffs pronto. If Kawhi plays at this level the rest of the series I personally won't blame him for the loss, but one playoff series win in 2 years on what was supposed to be the best team in the league will be a very bad look

[ClipperRevival]

Pretty bad look when you consider last year and this year, both times with the superior team on paper and losing. Not to mention, his inability to slow anyone down offensively (Murray and Luka). Just bad look.

[ShawkFactory]

I mean if we’re throwing away basketball ability/analysis and going with “legacy”...Kawhi has 2019 and 3 games in the 14 finals.

If the Clippers do nothing here then it doesn’t stack up. Never an MVP, load management, etc

[miggyme1]

Losses?

Anyway i think this will say more about the clippers as a franchise. They are CLEARLY cursed. Werent they up 3-1 on the rockets a few years back when they had PRIME cp3 and blake griffin? Hell that clippers team was better than the one now and they let the rockets come all they way back and beat them. The only thing thats really been exposed is that he isnt a leader at all....dude is a cyborg....he shows up,suits up,gives u 30 points,goes home then rinse and repeat. If u look at luka,dude is talking shit, hes leading,u can see his heart is invested in every game.....still think he needs to work on his body language at times a lil bit but he is young im sure it will improve over time

[tanibanana]

Better than Clyde Drexler and Charles Barkley that's for sure.

Way better than Clyde, but way below than Chuck.