1998 John Stockton vs 2021 Chris Paul

[Lebron23]

Who's the better player?

[Lebron23]

Chris Paul is undeniably the better player. A 36 years old stockton averaged 9.7 ppg in the nba finals.

[8Ball]

If Utah had CP3 in the 90s with Karl Malone they'd make the finals every year.

Stockton was a bum.

[kawhileonard2]

Malone with Stockton beat peak Shaq/Kobe, Hakeem/Barkley/Drexler, Duncan/Robinson.

[HoopsNY]

Who's the better player?

You're obsessed.

[Lebron23]

You're obsessed.

Chris Paul is the better player.

[Lebron23]

Malone with Stockton beat peak Shaq/Kobe, Hakeem/Barkley/Drexler, Duncan/Robinson.

Malone with Chris Paul would definitely win the championship.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

CP3 is better, but Hoops is on the money.

You're a decent poster although the agenda threads are obvious. Prop Bron. Take Mike down a peg.

[Sportal]

Malone with Stockton beat peak Shaq/Kobe, Hakeem/Barkley/Drexler, Duncan/Robinson.

You're legit garbage. All you do is rely on people not looking into the shit you say. Peak Shaq and Kobe you reckon????????????? Peak Duncan and Robinson you reckon????????????? Beating a 19 year old Kobe and a rookie Duncan...

Remember, Lob City Clippers > 90s Jazz - Per 3ball.

[Gohan]

Malone with Chris Paul would definitely win the championship.

yea if jordan quit again

[Airupthere]

CP3 is better, but Hoops is on the money.

You're a decent poster although the agenda threads are obvious. Prop Bron. Take Mike down a peg.

:cheers:

[Lebron23]

CP3 is better, but Hoops is on the money.

You're a decent poster although the agenda threads are obvious. Prop Bron. Take Mike down a peg.

Just a huge CP3 fan

[HoopsNY]

Chris Paul is the better player.

Than 1998 Stockton? Agreed. You're still obsessed.

[HoopsNY]

CP3 is better, but Hoops is on the money.

You're a decent poster although the agenda threads are obvious. Prop Bron. Take Mike down a peg.

Agreed 100%. He's a good poster and I do enjoy reading some of his posts. No reason to always prop up today's players to shit on players in the 90s (to ultimately place Bron > Mj). It's just unnecessary.

[FultzNationRISE]

Just a huge CP3 fan


How huge?

[Phoenix]

Paul's the overall better peak performer and 'past prime' performer. Stockton could never put a team on his back offensively plus be the consummate floor general. CP3 balances that line in a way few PGs ever have,even now at 36.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Paul's the overall better peak performer and 'past prime' performer. Stockton could never put a team on his back offensively plus be the consummate floor general. CP3 balances that line in a way few PGs ever have,even now at 36.

Yup, and he isn't far behind as a defender. If at all. CP3 is arguably the most complete point ever.

Magic and Steph are probably the only pointguards I'd take over him. But that's because their offense was/is otherworldly.

[Phoenix]

Yup, and he isn't far behind as a defender. If at all. CP3 is arguably the most complete point ever.

Magic and Steph are probably the only pointguards I'd take over him. But that's because their offense was/is otherworldly.

I would even argue CP3 is a better floor raiser than Steph. Hell, never mind how the Suns have ascended this season. Look at something even like last years OKC team, Steph with that kind of team around him will probably hover around the .500 mark. CP3 had them pacing for 50 wins had covid not cut the season short.

[Code Breaker]

Once CP3 gets that FMVP it's a wrap.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I would even argue CP3 is a better floor raiser than Steph. Hell, never mind how the Suns have ascended this season. Look at something even like last years OKC team, Steph with that kind of team around him will probably hover around the .500 mark. CP3 had them pacing for 50 wins had covid not cut the season short.

While that might be true, Phoenix was already on the rise. They went undefeated in the bubble and that was without CP3.

You're not wrong though. In most situations, I'd roll with Steph because his shooting and the spacing he generates. But on average to mediocre teams? Chris might be your best option.

[Phoenix]

While that might be true, Phoenix was already on the rise. They went undefeated in the bubble and that was without CP3.

You're not wrong though. In most situations, I'd roll with Steph because his shooting and the spacing he generates. But on average to mediocre teams? Chris might be your best option.

That's true, but ( and this is taking all the injuries into account) I'm don't think the Suns sans CP3 gets to the finals even though they were clearly on the up going back to last year. He is definitely the cherry on top, that veteran leader they needed to take the next step. He's still more lethal than I would have expected at this stage, with his age and injury history. Definitely rooting for him to cement his legacy with a chip.

[1987_Lakers]

Id take current paul over '97 & '98 Stockton

[Bawkish]

i'd take CP3 over Stockton

But in terms of durability, Stockton is tougher. Never suffered any serious injury till later in his career

[Lebron23]

i'd take CP3 over Stockton

But in terms of durability, Stockton is tougher. Never suffered any serious injury till later in his career

Career wise Chris Paul is the better player. Winning an NBA Finals MVP is just icing on the cake

Stockton 11 All-NBA (2/6/3); 5 All-Defense (0/5); 0.161 MVP shares; 13/10.5/2.7/2.2 career averages in 32 minutes per game; 60.8% career efficiency on 9 FGA per game. Lead league in steals twice and in assists nine times (consecutively). In the playoffs, he averaged 13.4/10.1/3.3/1.9 on 56.8% efficiency in 35 minutes per game. For playoff career “advanced” metrics, he has a PER of 19.8, WS/48 of 0.16, and BPM of 4.1.

Paul: 10 All-NBA (4/4/2); 9 All-Defense (7/2); 1.64 MVP shares; 18.5/9.7/4.5/2.2 current career averages in 35 minutes per game; 58% (current) career efficiency on 14 FGA per game. Lead league in steals six times and in assists four times. In the playoffs, he averages 20.9/8.5/5/2.2 on 58% efficiency in 37 minutes per game. For playoff career “advanced” metrics, he has a PER of 24.5 (eighth all-time – right ahead of Durant, lol), WS/48 of 0.199 (fourth all-time), and BPM of 7.8 (fifth all-time).

[miggyme1]

Chris Paul is undeniably the better player. A 36 years old stockton averaged 9.7 ppg in the nba finals.

Yea because points is the only thing that matters. Takr stockton off the jazz and they barely make the playoffs. Stockton made karl malone look like the greatest pf of all time and he didnt have half the talent of duncan or barkley or kg or webber or mchale or dirk and i can name more. Cut it out. The only reason people shit on players like stockton and mark price is because they were white. Mark price would be a GOD if he played in the Nba today,he would come of screens like curry and just swish threes all game.

[Xiao Yao You]

i'd take CP3 over Stockton

But in terms of durability, Stockton is tougher. Never suffered any serious injury till later in his career

and only missed 30 games after microfracture surgery an injury that many are never the same after and he didn't really lose anything. Played less minutes after

[WhiteKyrie]

If only he had Stockton’s toughness and durability. But he’s definitely always been the superior player. Chris Paul can take over games. Stockton wasn’t that type. He was basically the basketball equivalent to the greatest game managing hardwood floor quarterback of all time.

[getting_old]

If Utah had CP3 in the 90s with Karl Malone they'd make the finals every year.

Stockton was a bum.


CP3 would have overcome KM"s patented pooping of the bed in the last 2 minutes of every clutch game he played?

i wouldn't go THAT FAR on behalf of CP3

[8Ball]

CP3 would have overcome KM"s patented pooping of the bed in the last 2 minutes of every clutch game he played?

i wouldn't go THAT FAR on behalf of CP3


In the 90s, the man just can't score, here are his playoff scoring games:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01/gamelog-playoffs/



182 games and he had 2 games above 30 points. TWO. CP3 already has more 30 point playoff games in 2021 than Stockton did in a career.

Stockton was a bum.

[1987_Lakers]

In the 90s, the man just can't score, here are his playoff scoring games:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01/gamelog-playoffs/



182 games and he had 2 games above 30 points. TWO. CP3 already has more 30 point playoff games in 2021 than Stockton did in a career.

Stockton was a bum.

Actually surprising to see Stockton had zero 30 point playoff games during the 90's.

[HoopsNY]

Stockton fit his role and fit it well. He was a capable scorer, but chose to pass. Nevertheless, people forget that it was Stockton that showed up in the Houston series (vs Hakeem/Clyde/Charles) and in game 6, he took over the game.

Stockton had 25 points and 13 assists that game, but it was the second half where he took over. It was Stockton who hit the game tying shot with less than 30 seconds left to go, and it was Stockton who hit the game winning three pointer to seal the series.

Stockton scored 21 points (15 of them in the 4th quarter) and had 9 assists in the second half, shooting 7-10 on top of it all.

Between '88-'91, Stockton was putting up 19/14/4/3 on 50% in the playoffs. Magic gets praised for 20/12/6/1 on 48% with average defense...Stockton does similar, if not better, with elite defense, and he gets absolutely zero recognition.

Meanwhile, Stockton was just as good of a floor general, a better defender, and a better shooter. This isn't to say Stockton was better than Magic, he wasn't, but the idea that he couldn't score and that it was all Malone is far too often claimed.

[HoopsNY]

In the 90s, the man just can't score, here are his playoff scoring games:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01/gamelog-playoffs/



182 games and he had 2 games above 30 points. TWO. CP3 already has more 30 point playoff games in 2021 than Stockton did in a career.

Stockton was a bum.

Well everyone who played pre-2010 (except LeBron of course :lol) to you is a bum. Why even comment on this thread at all then? You have no respect for league history.

[8Ball]

Karl Malone wasn't a bum. He's a top 20 all time player.

Stockton was a bum compared to CP3.

[HoopsNY]

Karl Malone wasn't a bum. He's a top 20 all time player.

Stockton was a bum compared to CP3.

Nonsense, and not even CP3 would claim that bs.

[8Ball]

Stockton fit his role and fit it well. He was a capable scorer, but chose to pass. Nevertheless, people forget that it was Stockton that showed up in the Houston series (vs Hakeem/Clyde/Charles) and in game 6, he took over the game.

Stockton had 25 points and 13 assists that game, but it was the second half where he took over. It was Stockton who hit the game tying shot with less than 30 seconds left to go, and it was Stockton who hit the game winning three pointer to seal the series.

Stockton scored 21 points (15 of them in the 4th quarter) and had 9 assists in the second half, shooting 7-10 on top of it all.

Between '88-'91, Stockton was putting up 19/14/4/3 on 50% in the playoffs. Magic gets praised for 20/12/7/2 on 50% with average defense...Stockton does similar, if not better, with elite defense, and he gets absolutely zero recognition.

Meanwhile, Stockton was just as good of a floor general, a better defender, and a better shooter. This isn't to say Stockton was better than Magic, he wasn't, but the idea that he couldn't score and that it was all Malone is far too often claimed.

Stockton averaged 13ppg for entire playoff career.
CP3 averages 19ppg.

CP3 > Stockton in so many more ways.


Stockton is just a garbage scorer while CP3 is not. Karl Malone was dragging entire potato bags on his back.

[8Ball]

Actually surprising to see Stockton had zero 30 point playoff games during the 90's.

Stockton's performance in 1998 finals:

24 points
9 points (Loss)
2 points (Loss)
7 points (Loss)
6 points
10 points (Loss)

When Karl Malone needed Stockton the most, Stockton wasn't there.


Compare that to CP3 playoff game log. Stockton simply doesn't compare to CP3.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01/gamelog-playoffs/



Magic
Curry
CP3

That's the all time point guard list.

[HoopsNY]

Stockton averaged 13ppg for entire playoff career.
CP3 averages 19ppg.

CP3 > Stockton in so many more ways.


Stockton is just a garbage scorer while CP3 is not. Karl Malone was dragging entire potato bags on his back.

Did anyone on this thread claim that Stockton was a better scorer than CP3 is? Get your head out your ass for a moment and think clearly for once.

[HoopsNY]

Stockton's performance in 1998 finals:

24 points
9 points (Loss)
2 points (Loss)
7 points (Loss)
6 points
10 points (Loss)

When Karl Malone needed Stockton the most, Stockton wasn't there.

And me and many others on this very thread already said CP3 2021 > Stockton 1998. You're another obsessed Bran stan.

[3ba11]

Stockton was MJ in the clutch - literally - Stockton and MJ scored all the points when the game was in the last 5 minutes and within 5

[8Ball]

Did anyone on this thread claim that Stockton was a better scorer than CP3 is? Get your head out your ass for a moment and think clearly for once.

Then what is there to argue?

Stockton sucks compared to CP3.

[8Ball]

Stockton was MJ in the clutch - literally - Stockton and MJ scored all the points when the game was in the last 5 minutes and within 5

Stockton's performance in 1998 finals:

24 points
9 points (Loss)
2 points (Loss)
7 points (Loss)
6 points
10 points (Loss)

Scored all the points :roll:

[coastalmarker99]

Stockton's performance in 1998 finals:

24 points
9 points (Loss)
2 points (Loss)
7 points (Loss)
6 points
10 points (Loss)

Scored all the points :roll:

Malone had a fine series in the 1998 finals . 25, 10.5, 3.8 in 40.5 mpg. 50.4% FG, 78.9% FT, 55.3% TS, 106 ORTG. Still a remarkable drop-off from the RS, but it's not like Jordan was a 60% TS player in the series either, and 33.3% USG is hard. The Jazz had Malone taking 19.8 FGA/g against their team's 71.8 right, so that wasn't awesome and Malone was no Jordan.

HOWEVER... this series was not about Malone.

JH: 10.7 ppg, 34.2 mpg, 41.1% FG, 33.3% 3P, 50.1% TS, 96 ORTG

For the second straight Finals series, he was completely incompetent.

JS: 9.7 ppg, 8.7 apg, 32.3 mpg, 49.0% FG, 22.2% 3P, 53.9% TS, 103 ORTG

Stockton had no functional value to the Jazz in that series. Yes, he was technically better than the team average, but WHOOOOOO was he not at all helping Malone. He didn't have it in him to play the minutes and he'd never been a step-it-up scorer. His scoring had always kind of come and gone with his 3pt shot. After that, Bryon Russell, Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley were never going to make the difference.

Malone logged 31/11/7 on 57.9% FG in a 1-point loss in the deciding Game 6 and all anyone remembers is him getting blindsided by Jordan in the final 20 seconds of the game when he was receiving an entry pass on the left block. There was basically nothing he could have done about it, but that's what people remember. Not Russell getting crossed or the game flow, or his performance, just the turnover.

Not that Stockton was 4/10 from the field and 1/4 from 3, or that Pippen only played 26 minutes and the Bulls still shot almost 51% from the floor, or that non-Jordan Bulls were 19/32 from the field (59.4% FG). They don't necessarily remember that Jordan put 45 on the Jazz that game, and had only 1 turnover against 35 shots. They remember the Steal, the Cross and the Jimmy.

Thought added, though. Chicago was down 3 after the first quarter. Down 4 at the half.

Then the Jazz stank it up super hard in the 3rd quarter and only scored 17 points on 33% FG... but holy crap, Chicago only scored 16. Then they got outscored 26-20 in the fourth as Jordan went to work and scored 16 points. Rodman got all up in Malone's business in the second half and frustrated him after he exploded in the first half, but no one else was able to step up and get him some breathing room, either.

This is a fantastic example if Malone had an AS-caliber second scorer, the Jazz had a really good chance to push the series to Game 7 and maybe even win. In the absence of such a player, they basically didn't even have a real shot at the title, regardless of winning two games. It's a lot like the 90s equivalent of the Sixers taking one against the Lakers in 2001.

This is the sort of reason why I don't hold Malone's lack of a RING against him. I try not to hold his struggles against Rodman against him too much, given that he was also in his mid-30s at the time, though it fits the pattern. The point being, there's very much truth to the notion that his lack of a ring is directly related to the quality of help he did or did not have.

It wasn't like the Bulls were the prime Bulls. Chicago had 3 guys over 35 in their top-7 and Pippen had missed half that season with an injury and wasn't close to his peak). Playing against the strong but aging defensive group of MJ/Scottie/Rodman (36 years old) surrounded by not so great players (Longley, Kukoc, Kerr) and a washed 35yo Harper, Utah supporting cast besides Malone managed the following numbers in the finals.

Stockton: 9-2-8 on 49% shooting, only hit 2 threes all series Hornacek: 11-3-3 on 41% shooting, only hit 3 threes all series Russell (added to the starting lineup to guard Jordan): 9-5-0 on 41% shooting Malone: 25-10-5 on 50% shooting Keefe: 3-3-0 on 43% shooting Foster: 1-2-0 on 27% shooting Ostertag: 2-2-0 on 42% shooting

And also in game 3 of the series the Jazz would only score 54 points and Malone had 22 points to himself and in-game 5 Malone would go off for 39 points on 63 per cent only one player besides Malone scored 10 points in that game for the Jazz and that was Antoine Carr who made all five of his field-goal attempts.


Malone almost scored half of his team's points in that game. The jazz only scored 83 points for the game and yet with Malone putting up an all-time great performance they only won by two and they would have lost in 5 if Antoine carr did not have the game of his life in that game 5.

[coastalmarker99]

Stockton for his career averages the same PPG in the regular season and the playoffs, with a huge drop-off in efficiency. Even his assists drop slightly. This is not common.

For context, here's how other all-time great PGs change statistically in playoffs:

Stockton: +0.3 PPG / -3.8 TS% / -0.4 AST / -0.0 TOV

Magic: +0.0 PPG / -1.5 TS% / +1.1 AST / -0.2 TOV

Paul: +2.7 PPG / -0.0 TS% / -1.0 AST / -0.2 TOV

Nash: +3.0 PPG / -2.2 TS% / +0.3 AST / +0.3 TOV

Kidd: +0.3 PPG / -0.9 TS% / -0.7 AST / -0.1 TOV

Thomas: +1.2 PPG / +0.4 TS% / -0.4 AST / -0.5 TOV

Curry: +3.0 PPG / -1.5 TS% / -0.4 AST / +0.4 TOV

Stockton's drop-off in efficiency is BY FAR the worst of the bunch, despite being the lowest volume scorer aside from Kidd. He does not make up for it with any sort of uptick in playmaking. Stockton is an all-time statistical playoff under-performer.

[3ba11]

Stockton for his career averages the same PPG in the regular season and the playoffs, with a huge drop-off in efficiency. Even his assists drop slightly. This is not common.

For context, here's how other all-time great PGs change statistically in playoffs:

Stockton: +0.3 PPG / -3.8 TS% / -0.4 AST / -0.0 TOV

Magic: +0.0 PPG / -1.5 TS% / +1.1 AST / -0.2 TOV

Paul: +2.7 PPG / -0.0 TS% / -1.0 AST / -0.2 TOV

Nash: +3.0 PPG / -2.2 TS% / +0.3 AST / +0.3 TOV

Kidd: +0.3 PPG / -0.9 TS% / -0.7 AST / -0.1 TOV

Thomas: +1.2 PPG / +0.4 TS% / -0.4 AST / -0.5 TOV

Curry: +3.0 PPG / -1.5 TS% / -0.4 AST / +0.4 TOV

Stockton's drop-off in efficiency is BY FAR the worst of the bunch, despite being the lowest volume scorer aside from Kidd. He does not make up for it with any sort of uptick in playmaking. Stockton is an all-time statistical playoff under-performer.


Stockton knew how to have superior chemistry and brand of ball by virtue of developing sufficient chemistry to make 2 Finals and he was basically B2B champs

This Suns team gets swept by the Bulls.

Ultimately, CP3 grew up in a hands-off and more spaced-out era where the game was easier - so he never became the passer or floor general that Stockton was.. Stockton grew up in the unspaced era, which yielded more pure basketball players (superior players)

[1987_Lakers]

Stockton's performance in 1998 finals:

24 points
9 points (Loss)
2 points (Loss)
7 points (Loss)
6 points
10 points (Loss)

When Karl Malone needed Stockton the most, Stockton wasn't there.


Compare that to CP3 playoff game log. Stockton simply doesn't compare to CP3.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01/gamelog-playoffs/



Magic
Curry
CP3

That's the all time point guard list.

Yikes, not a good look for Stockton.

[Airupthere]

Lol at 8ball and 1987_lakers thinking that stockton was a bum.

[1987_Lakers]

Lol at 8ball and 1987_lakers thinking that stockton was a bum.

He's certainly not better than CP3

[Airupthere]

He's certainly not better than CP3

Cp3 may very well be the better overall player but saying that stockton was a bum is another thing

[1987_Lakers]

Cp3 may very well be the better overall player but saying that stockton was a bum is another thing

When did I say he was a bum?

[3ba11]

He's certainly not better than CP3


CP3 is trash.. never made the Finals in 20 years - a career of disappointments until carried by Booker and Ayton - both guys are better than Pippen

Stockton simply generated a chemistry that eventually couldn't be stopped by Shaq or Duncan.. Only Jordan could beat it, and barely.. CP3 would get swept by the Bulls

[1987_Lakers]

CP3 is trash.. never made the Finals in 20 years - a career of disappointments until carried by Booker and Ayton - both guys are better than Pippen

Stockton simply generated a chemistry that eventually couldn't be stopped by Shaq or Duncan.. Only Jordan could beat it, and barely.. CP3 would get swept by the Bulls

MJ was a career disappointment until Pippen showed up.

[paksat]

Chris Paul is undeniably the better player. A 36 years old stockton averaged 9.7 ppg in the nba finals.

so you symapthy posted your OP

nice

[3ba11]

MJ was a career disappointment until Pippen showed up.


Everyone was a disappointment in their first few years - Giannis, Lebron, Curry, KD - they were all lottery in their first few years and didn't win any playoff series

So your biggest knock on Jordan is something that everyone does.. fitting for the goat.

[1987_Lakers]

Everyone was a disappointment in their first few years - Giannis, Lebron, Curry, KD - they were all lottery in their first few years and didn't win any playoff series

So your biggest knock on Jordan is something that everyone does.. fitting for the goat.

Wrong, Magic won FMVP his rookie year with Kareem injured.

[8Ball]

CP3 is trash.. never made the Finals in 20 years - a career of disappointments until carried by Booker and Ayton - both guys are better than Pippen

Stockton simply generated a chemistry that eventually couldn't be stopped by Shaq or Duncan.. Only Jordan could beat it, and barely.. CP3 would get swept by the Bulls

Cp3 already ahead of stockton all time and with this championship moves ahead of Karl Malone.

[MadDog]

Chris Paul is better at 36 than Stockton was. Paul scores a lot more with comparable playmaking. In their prime, its closer and you can go either way. Stockton had multiple series scoring 20+ and a handful just under that. He was the better conductor of an offense, and defender as well.

[Mr. Woke]

Chris Paul has always been better than Stockton.

Anyone who thinks that Stockton is better is either a Stockton fanboy or a retard.

[8Ball]

Cp3 has just as many all defensive teams as stockton.

Cp3 with a bunch of scraps took OKC to the playoffs and game 7 vs Harden. So this notion that Stockton conducted an offense better is pig poop.

[HoopsNY]

CP3 is trash.. never made the Finals in 20 years - a career of disappointments until carried by Booker and Ayton - both guys are better than Pippen

Stockton simply generated a chemistry that eventually couldn't be stopped by Shaq or Duncan.. Only Jordan could beat it, and barely.. CP3 would get swept by the Bulls

Give CP3 prime Karl Malone and he's going to the finals. Give Stockton those Hornets teams or OKC last year and he goes nowhere.

[3ba11]

Give CP3 prime Karl Malone and he's going to the finals. Give Stockton those Hornets teams or OKC last year and he goes nowhere.


CP3 went nowhere with the #3 MVP Blake Griffin

He also went nowhere and choked away 3-2 leads to the Spurs with really good teams... The good teams always figured out CP3 because he's a ball-dominator.. So he underachieved his team's talent for 2 decades.. That might happen in this series still...

[Xiao Yao You]

Cp3 may very well be the better overall player but saying that stockton was a bum is another thing

on ISH you are either great or trash. There is no in between

[HoopsNY]

CP3 went nowhere with the #3 MVP Blake Griffin

He also went nowhere and choked away 3-2 leads to the Spurs with really good teams... The good teams always figured out CP3 because he's a ball-dominator.. So he underachieved his team's talent for 2 decades.. That might happen in this series still...

So Karl Malone = Blake Griffin. Thanks for telling us that the 90s was trash.

[1987_Lakers]

on ISH you are either great or trash. There is no in between

The only player you can say is trash is Gobert.

[Xiao Yao You]

The only player you can say is trash is Gobert.

if he's not great he must be despite all his accolades just like Stockton is a bum

[MadDog]

on ISH you are either great or trash. There is no in between

Right. And if we cherry-pick bad series from Paul, these idiots would say he's a "bum" too. In the 2012 semis, Paul averaged 13 points and 8 assists on 37% shooting - got swept by the Spurs. In the 2019 semis, he averaged 17 & 6 and shot 44% - was ousted in 6 by the Warriors.

Damn, what trash.

[RogueBorg]

Who's the better player?

Overall, there's no version of Stockton better than Chris Paul. Stockton was the better assist guard but CP3 was the better scorer. CP3 was also the better defender by far. If he gets a ring then it's not even close. If he gets a FMVP he then has a case for being ahead of Curry and only behind Magic all-time. CP3's resume is better than most point guards in NBA history. If he can just shake the loser moniker.

[3ba11]

So Karl Malone = Blake Griffin. Thanks for telling us that the 90s was trash.


In addition to Blake, CP3 had DeAndre Jordan, who was all-nba, and Jamal Crawford and Redick.. A superior cast to Stockton's, yet the spaced-out game that CP3 learned gave him inferior skills to Stockton's unspaced genius, so he couldn't lead his team to the heights that Stockton did.. He just wasn't as good

[MadDog]

Overall, there's no version of Stockton better than Chris Paul. Stockton was the better assist guard but CP3 was the better scorer. CP3 was also the better defender by far. If he gets a ring then it's not even close. If he gets a FMVP he then has a case for being ahead of Curry and only behind Magic all-time. CP3's resume is better than most point guards in NBA history. If he can just shake the loser moniker.

CP3 would not have a case over Curry. Not his fault, the voters in 15 were taking drugs.

[1987_Lakers]

In addition to Blake, CP3 had DeAndre Jordan, who was all-nba, and Jamal Crawford and Redick.. A superior cast to Stockton's, yet the spaced-out game that CP3 learned gave him inferior skills to Stockton's unspaced genius, so he couldn't lead his team to the heights that Stockton did.. He just wasn't as good

Thanks for confirming MJ's competition was weak. MJ's toughest Finals competition was a Jazz team which was inferior to a Clippers team that never made a conference Finals.

[3ba11]

CP3 would not have a case over Curry. Not his fault, the voters in 15 were taking drugs.


Curry deserved FMVP in 2015, but his run during those years was fueled by his first-mover status in the 3-point strategy arena - now that everyone takes as many threes as the Warriors, his brand of ball is diluted and not as potent as CP3, who fares well in all eras or brands of ball

I think Curry is a little overrated and it's a close between him and CP3 imo

[AirBonner]

Curry is a better shooter than MJ so I get the shade thrown his way

[3ba11]

Thanks for confirming MJ's competition was weak. MJ's toughest Finals competition was a Jazz team which was inferior to a Clippers team that never made a conference Finals.


The 91' and 92' Blazers had better-ranked defenses and more scorers than the Bulls, while the 93' Suns and 96' Sonics had nearly equally-ranked defenses and far more scorers..

Only the Jazz didn't have more talent than the Bulls, but they had a long-term brand that demolished Shaq and Duncan/Popovich.

[MadDog]

Curry deserved FMVP in 2015, but his run during those years was fueled by his first-mover status in the 3-point strategy arena - now that everyone takes as many threes as the Warriors, his brand of ball is diluted and not as potent as CP3, who fares well in all eras or brands of ball

I think Curry is a little overrated and it's a close between him and CP3 imo

If Curry were on the Suns, they would be in the finals too. :confusedshrug: Especially with the injury breaks they were rewarded. Chef was clearly better than Paul this year. Be it with production. MVP talk. Or just plain, being the better ball player.

[RogueBorg]

CP3 would not have a case over Curry. Not his fault, the voters in 15 were taking drugs.

No, not yet, but what if he gets a FMVP?

Steph's got 2 league MVP's which puts him over the top. Steph's a better scorer for sure but CP3 is not a score first PG and is 10x better defensively. He's a 4x assist champion to Curry's zero but that's because Curry is score first. CP3's a 6x steal champion to Curry's 1x, he's a 9x All-Defensive Teamer, something Curry has never been. I would say right now Curry is the number 2 PG ever. But if CP3 gets a FMVP look out. There'll be real debate on this forum.

[3ba11]

If Curry were on the Suns, they would be in the finals too. :confusedshrug: Especially with the injury breaks they were rewarded. Chef was clearly better than Paul this year. Be it with production. MVP talk. Or just plain, being the better ball player.


Curry's brand of ball (he's just a 3-point shooter) doesn't have the impact on teams that it used to - Curry and Klay used to make the Warriors the best 3-point team in the league, which was enough to make them the best TEAM - but not anymore because there's teams and lineups where all 5 guys can shoot threes well.. Teams can reach the Warriors' level of shooting easily without having 2 juggernauts like Curry/Klay - 5 guys that shoot well with guys that can dominate other ways (midrange, at-rim) can blow Curry away.. His 3-point shooting simply doesn't have the impact it once did because every team can shoot threes now

[AirBonner]

Curry's brand of ball (he's just a 3-point shooter) doesn't have the impact on teams that it used to - Curry and Klay used to make the Warriors the best 3-point team in the league, which was enough to make them the best TEAM - but not anymore because there's teams and lineups where all 5 guys can shoot threes well.. Teams can reach the Warriors' level of shooting easily without having 2 juggernauts like Curry/Klay - 5 guys that shoot well with guys that can dominate other ways (midrange, at-rim) can blow Curry away.. His 3-point shooting simply doesn't have the impact it once did because every team can shoot threes now

Wiggins was his 2nd option. Stfu. Let me guess Wiggins >>Pippen. Your shtick is old bruh

[CountDracula]

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[ninjaseal]

stocktons iq is way higher then chris pauls... thats why hes the alltime assist leader and all time steal leader in the MJ ERA , some of these threads you can tell are created by younger nba fans who never really played basketball on a team level , just run up the court and do a few fancy through the leg dribbles and they think there better LOL

[MadDog]

I think Curry is a little overrated and it's a close between him and CP3 imo

Still think its close? :confusedshrug:

[Bronbron23]

I like cp better but this is close. Cp is more talented but Stocktons game is better suited for team success. Cp holds the ball way to long at times.