LeBron won an NBA Championship with Tyron Lue as his coach

[Lebron23]

And they beat a 73 wins team in the NBA Finals

[HoopsNY]

And they beat a 73 wins team in the NBA Finals

It really depends on how you look at this. On the one hand, you can say that LeBron has had inferior coaching and was able to pull through and win a championship. This would appear to be a positive for him, especially when you compare him to other ATGs who had the luxury of great coaches like Pop, Jackson, Riley, Rudy T., Auerbach, etc.

On the other, it appears he's not coachable. He went 2/4 in Miami with a great coach. But LeBron, clashed a lot with Spoelstra, particularly earlier on in his tenure with Miami.

Added to that is the idea that if you are in fact the "player coach," then you must take the blame for losses. This is where the discourse gets tricky.

[scuzzy]

He went 2/4 in Miami with a great coach.

Added to that is the idea that if you are in fact the "player coach," then you must take the blame for losses. This is where the discourse gets tricky.

Damn, just 2 first place finishes and 2 second place finishes with Spoelstra


What a blemish, "uncoachable" "losses" :oldlol:

[LAmbruh]

Damn, just 2 first place finishes and 2 second place finishes with Spoelstra


What a blemish, "uncoachable" "losses" :oldlol:
Spoelstra is great coach with that incredible 0/1 Finals losses.

[scuzzy]

Spoelstra is great coach with that incredible 0/1 Finals losses.
This is where it gets tricky, so we must take into account Spoelstra's "losses"

*types a whole lot while simultaneously saying nothing at all and contradicting himself*

[Jasper]

And they beat a 73 wins team in the NBA Finals

you are right , he pulled a lot of players and coach's with him.

[1987_Lakers]

It really depends on how you look at this. On the one hand, you can say that LeBron has had inferior coaching and was able to pull through and win a championship. This would appear to be a positive for him, especially when you compare him to other ATGs who had the luxury of great coaches like Pop, Jackson, Riley, Rudy T., Auerbach, etc.

On the other, it appears he's not coachable. He went 2/4 in Miami with a great coach. But LeBron, clashed a lot with Spoelstra, particularly earlier on in his tenure with Miami.

Added to that is the idea that if you are in fact the "player coach," then you must take the blame for losses. This is where the discourse gets tricky.

Imagine believing 4 Finals appearances and 2 championships in 4 years is some sort of failure.

[scuzzy]

Imagine believing 4 Finals appearances and 2 championships in 4 years is some sort of failure.
it gets real tricky, you see. on one hand spoelstra is a great coach with his 0/1 finals record without lebron. and we must account for his losses

on the other hand lebron is 2/4, with an uncoachable amount of losses to this time period. it gets tricky

[theman93]

This is correct. But there is a silver lining.

Lebron couldn't get it done with Blatt in 2015 against a worse Warriors team. If he didn't have Lue as his coach in 2016 against a better Warriors team he would have lost again.

Lebron needed Lue. Lue was the difference maker.

[tpols]

Silver won that title boy. Not Lue.

[SouBeachTalents]

This is correct. But there is a silver lining.

Lebron couldn't get it done with Blatt in 2015 against a worse Warriors team. If he didn't have Lue as his coach in 2016 against a better Warriors team he would have lost again.

Lebron needed Lue.
Don’t even mention Kyrie & Love missed the Finals ya disingenuous fakkit :lol

[tpols]

Imagine believing 4 Finals appearances and 2 championships in 4 years is some sort of failure.

They predicted themselves to be a not 4 not 5 not 6 bill russell esque dynasty. This is just revisionist history. GOAT choke in 2011, and the record breaking Finals loss in 2014. One shot away from 1/4. Far cry from their expectations.

[Lebron23]

This is correct. But there is a silver lining.

Lebron couldn't get it done with Blatt in 2015 against a worse Warriors team. If he didn't have Lue as his coach in 2016 against a better Warriors team he would have lost again.

Lebron needed Lue. Lue was the difference maker.

Love and Irving were injured

[theman93]

Love and Irving were injured

Lebron got Blatt fired in 2016 when Love and Irving were both healthy. He knew Lue would be the difference maker, not a healthy Love and Irving.

[Hey Yo]

They predicted themselves to be a not 4 not 5 not 6 bill russell esque dynasty. This is just revisionist history. GOAT choke in 2011, and the record breaking Finals loss in 2014. One shot away from 1/4. Far cry from their expectations.
You mean they told Heat fans at the Heat pep rally. It was never a prediction or guarantee.

[Hey Yo]

Lebron got Blatt fired in 2016 when Love and Irving were both healthy. He knew Lue would be the difference maker, not a healthy Love and Irving.
Blatt's 1st year as HC.....got to the Finals.

Ty Lue's 1st year as HC ..... won the title

Mike Brown's 2nd year as HC..... got to the Finals.

See the trend, Chico?

[1987_Lakers]

They predicted themselves to be a not 4 not 5 not 6 bill russell esque dynasty. This is just revisionist history. GOAT choke in 2011, and the record breaking Finals loss in 2014. One shot away from 1/4. Far cry from their expectations.

They didnt live up to the public expectations cause D-Wade wasnt the same player after 2011, always injured and no longer played at a top 5 level. The fact that LeBron was able to get two titles going up against Durant-Harden-Westbrook then the GOAT ball movement spurs the next year is a miracle.

[HoopsNY]

Bran stans want to absolve Bran for losing when his cast is weak. Then when his cast is strong, he still gets absolved. And only Bran stans would take offense to my original comment; as usual, it's only Bran's doing when they win and everyone else's when they lose. :lol

[LAmbruh]

Bran stans want to absolve Bran for losing when his cast is weak. Then when his cast is strong, he still gets absolved. And only Bran stans would take offense to my original comment; as usual, it's only Bran's doing when they win and everyone else's when they lose.
:roll:

[theman93]

Blatt's 1st year as HC.....got to the Finals.

Ty Lue's 1st year as HC ..... won the title

Mike Brown's 2nd year as HC..... got to the Finals.

See the trend, Chico?

The discussion is Tye Lue and the 2016 Cavaliers. If you want to talk Mike Brown feel free to start a new thread.

Bottom line is Lebron knew a healthy Irving and Love by his side weren't enough to get it done which is why he needed to get Blatt fired. He needed Lue because Irving, Love, and himself weren't going to be good enough.

[Hey Yo]

The discussion is Tye Lue and the 2016 Cavaliers. If you want to talk Mike Brown feel free to start a new thread.

Bottom line is Lebron knew a healthy Irving and Love by his side weren't enough to get it done which is why he needed to get Blatt fired. He needed Lue because Irving, Love, and himself weren't going to be good enough.

Irving and Love were injured for the 2015 Finals.

Why would LeBron feel he needed a guy with zero HC experience to win?

That's a really dumb theory by you

[1987_Lakers]

Bran stans want to absolve Bran for losing when his cast is weak. Then when his cast is strong, he still gets absolved. And only Bran stans would take offense to my original comment; as usual, it's only Bran's doing when they win and everyone else's when they lose. :lol

That's how you know people's expectations of LeBron are incredibly higher than any other player, when he wins 2 titles and makes 4 finals appearances with a past prime Wade who was simply an All-Star level player at that point and that is still considered a failure.

Bron stans should take that is a compliment. Imagine people giving someone like Larry Bird shit cause he only won 2 titles in 4 years with a good coach. You would be laughed out of the room.

[theman93]

Irving and Love were injured for the 2015 Finals.

Why would LeBron feel he needed a guy with zero HC experience to win?

That's a really dumb theory by you

They were both healthy when he got Blatt fired.

Why wouldn't you think he needed Lue when he went out and got Blatt fired and hand picked Lue?

Use your brain.

[Hey Yo]

They were both healthy when he got Blatt fired.

Why wouldn't you think he needed Lue when he went out and got Blatt fired and hand picked Lue?

Use your brain.

Why ... would... LeBron... think... he... needed... a... rookie... HC... to... win?

[theman93]

Why ... would... LeBron... think... he... needed... a... rookie... HC... to... win?

Because he and his super team weren't good enough. You don't get your HC fired and hand pick a new one midseason unless you have to - and Lebron had to.

Make sense now little guy?

[8Ball]

Spoelstra was not an elite coach in 2010.

Very smart game to game with adjustments, elite level since he was a video room guy.

But Spo had some huge baffling rotations back then.

[Axe]

Only kong got to carry ty lue to a ring tbh

[kawhileonard2]

Spoelstra was not an elite coach in 2010.

Very smart game to game with adjustments, elite level since he was a video room guy.

But Spo had some huge baffling rotations back then.

Just like Phil Jackson in 1991. He hadn't even coached in the NBA prior to the Bulls. You can say by the time he got to the Lakers he was a great coach but not at first in Chicago. Otherwise why did no one hire him and only the Bulls risked it?

[PP34Deuce]

Honestly I don't know what's wrong with clippers.

Paul George is confusing. Should be a top 5 player based off ability and size but he can go from top 7 to top 30.

Rondo is there but they seem to still struggle.

[BarberSchool]

Lue is a race based hire. He doesn't have the IQ to make adjustments.Imagine the following scenarios:

1. Best player in the league wants unapologetic Likud Zionist apartheid-supporting head coach fired. Said best player in league threatens ownership that he will leave his hometown team AGAIN, unless they fire head coach Blatt... so they fire Blatt. But instead of hiring the best replacement, said best player in league INSISTS they hire an underqualified assistant, because “I like the way he talks to me and supports my ideas, against the wishes of my head coach that I don’t like.

Then, their finals opponents endure some injuries and some unfortunate events, and they win the chip, in a way where an idiot may think it was DUE TO the st at player getting his way, and the under qualified coach “leading the way” to titletown.

Fast forward:

2. Years later, well after sane people realized the basketball minds were right, and that Coach Lue wasn’t actually “a championship caliber head coach” despite having one on his resume.... a gay eccentric tech billionaire without any real sound judgement of the game, who enjoys being surrounded by yes men, stumbles into being an NBA owner, after an old racist owner is FORCED out of the league.

3. This gay tech billionaire owner was used to rapid firing and hiring of top talent in his previous industry, and was not particularly familiar or respectful of the levels of continuity and elevate judgment required to truly pursue championships in the NBA, and in a hasty decision, fired his head coach impulsively and emotionally, without being certain that fire can be replaced with an equal or better hire.

4. Gay tech billionaire owner is “scared” to hire the best coach for the job, due to the sensitive racial nature of his very takeover of the team, and instead of hiring one of the best available head coaches to replace the BLACK HEAD COACH HE FIRED, he feels strangely obligated to hire based on race.

MF fast forward to TODAY:
5. The race based hire is not the absolute worst coach in the league; but it’s apparent to everyone who knows the game, that firing Doc and hiring Lue was a big mistake, which set the team back years during the waning primes of his two superstar players.

Steeb Ballmer, super genius.
Condolences Clipper Nation.
(At least he’s better than Donald “Sterling” Tokowitz)
R.I.P. Clippers run of dominance.

[BarberSchool]

This is correct. But there is a silver lining.

Lebron couldn't get it done with Blatt in 2015 against a worse Warriors team. If he didn't have Lue as his coach in 2016 against a better Warriors team he would have lost again.

Lebron needed Lue. Lue was the difference maker.LeBron actively hated Blatt starting halfway thru 2015. And his terrible relationship with Blatt helped shape his current political views and worldview. LeBron hated Blatt so MF much that he spread a narrative about him (a mostly true one, mind you), thru all his teammates and his friends in the league, including all the major figures in the players union.

Blatt’s career path since then, and the situation for many other owners worsening, as well as the league having a confused identity which focuses on racial issues in a way which alienated the majority of its domestic audience, and much of this is a direct linear result of this history between the two, and how LeBron changed the political and social narrative of the league.