1b's

[3ball]

2021 Playoffs

AD............. 23.5 ppg
Lebron...... 20.5 ppg


2020 Playoffs

AD............. 27.7 ppg
Lebron...... 27.6 ppg



TLDR: Lebron needs 1b's (equal-scoring partners) and elite 1st options to play sidekick - he never won with a true 2nd option or while carrying scoring load for playoffs and Finals

[Stanley Kobrick]

2b's


https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/036/666/cover10.jpg

[Lebron23]

2021 Playoffs

AD............. 23.5 ppg
Lebron...... 20.5 ppg


2020 Playoffs

AD............. 27.7 ppg
Lebron...... 27.6 ppg



TLDR: Lebron needs 1b's (equal-scoring partners) and elite 1st options to play sidekick - he never won with a true 2nd option or while carrying scoring load for playoffs and Finals

Can you please shut the hell up??

[SouBeachTalents]

1-9's

[Hey Yo]

MJ's playoff numbers in year 17 and 18??

[3ball]

Can you please shut the hell up??


It simply isn't goat or anywhere near

And it's standard - Wade outscored him in 2011 and Kyrie matched him in 2016

he's always needed 1b's (equal-scoring partners) and elite 1st options to play sidekick - he never won with a true 2nd option or while carrying scoring load for playoffs and Finals

[GrayGoat]

MJ's playoff numbers in year 17 and 18??

That’s a wrap!

[3ball]

MJ's playoff numbers in year 17 and 18??


Wade outscored him in 2011 Playoffs and Kyrie matched him in 2016

So it's standard - he's always needed 1b's (equal-scoring partners) and elite 1st options to play sidekick - he never won with a true 2nd option or while carrying scoring load for playoffs and Finals

[GrayGoat]

Wade outscored him in 2011 and Kyrie matched him in 2016

So it's standard - he's always needed 1b's (equal-scoring partners) and elite 1st options to play sidekick - he never won with a true 2nd option or while carrying scoring load for playoffs and Finals
2013

[Hey Yo]

Wade outscored him in 2011 Playoffs and Kyrie matched him in 2016

So it's standard - he's always needed 1b's (equal-scoring partners) and elite 1st options to play sidekick - he never won with a true 2nd option or while carrying scoring load for playoffs and Finals

MJ's playoff numbers in year 17 and 18??

[3ball]

2013


Lebron never won while carrying scoring load for playoffs and Finals

So he has no carry-job rings..

Only Jordan won more than 1 carry-job ring (6).. edit: hakeem and kobe have 2

[Wally450]

Wade outscored him in 2011 Playoffs and Kyrie matched him in 2016

So it's standard - he's always needed 1b's (equal-scoring partners) and elite 1st options to play sidekick - he never won with a true 2nd option or while carrying scoring load for playoffs and Finals

Answer the question.

[SouBeachTalents]

Answer the question.
Wade outscored him in 2011 Playoffs and Kyrie matched him in 2016

So it's standard - he's always needed 1b's (equal-scoring partners) and elite 1st options to play sidekick - he never won with a true 2nd option or while carrying scoring load for playoffs and Finals

[DABIGSALSISHA]

LeBetta

J.J. Barea

4/20

[GrayGoat]

His sidekicks performed against weak competition example the East. When it was the finals Bron Bron saved the day

[tontoz]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/not-this-again.jpg

[3ball]

When it was the finals Bron Bron saved the day





http://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Ck4em5QWgAEmc-h.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ac/fc/06/acfc061e3b37601d896e661a49b16606.jpg


Lebron had an equal-scoring teammate in the 2016 Playoffs and Finals, which is the definition of shared load and exact opposite of carry-job.

But don't be ashamed for Lebron because everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for most of their rings.... except MJ, who carried his team's scoring for every Playoffs and Finals..

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).






When it was the finals Bron Bron saved the day





The 90's Bulls would've lost every Finals if Jordan got destroyed by the opposing 2nd option like Curry did against Kyrie..

It's impossible to lose if your 2nd option is destroying the opposing 1st option and league MVP, so Lebron should get knocked for needing 7 games - he only needed 7 because he wet the bed through 4 (24 ppg and 6 TO's).

If Rik Smits (2nd option) outplayed Shaq in the 2000 Finals, would Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment by winning that series?.. Or if KJ outplayed Jordan in 93', does Barkley get credit for a goat accomplishemnt?.. You can do this with any Finals.. So why should Lebron get credit for a shared load?






When it was the finals Bron Bron saved the day





if Lebron gets 29 points and Kyrie gets 27, that's the definition of shared load and the opposite of carry-job.

Accordingly, Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team or Finals team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick - so he has zero carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing..

Ultimately, Lebron hand-picked the pre-season favorite from 2011-2016, but fell to underdog or loser every year except the Ray Allen miracle in 2013... Lebron is a complete fraud with a completely manufactured resume that began with the "decision" to form a super-team in a conference that 1-star teams routinely won.






When it was the finals Bron Bron saved the day





Lebron can't have carry-jobs against the top teams because the stats show he lacks the contested jumpshooting required of tougher carry-jobs and higher volume - he infact avoids contested jumpshooting and defers them to teammates because 89% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) of Lebron's jumpers were uncontested in 2020, compared to 69% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/202695/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for Kawhi, 61% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201935/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for Harden, and 50% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201142/shots-dash/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for KDGoat (2019 stats).

So Lebron's poor contested-jumpshooting ability prevents him from carry-jobs against the top teams, and he can't beat teams with high scoring anyway because Lebron's high scoring equals over-dribbling, which doesn't win against ball movement of the best teams.. (Lebron has no series wins outside the 1st round when he averages 35+)..

It was revealing when Stan Van Gundy talked about the 09' ECF and said "we wanted him to dribble and get stats".. Ultimately, his over-dribbling hurt him, along with his weak clutch jumpshooting - he shot 30% on jumpers in the 4th quarter of that series, including 3 lost leads in the fourth quarter and getting demolished by Dwight in the critical Game 4 OT that swung the series

[SouBeachTalents]

http://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Ck4em5QWgAEmc-h.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ac/fc/06/acfc061e3b37601d896e661a49b16606.jpg


Lebron had an equal-scoring teammate in the 2016 Playoffs and Finals, which is the definition of shared load and exact opposite of carry-job.

But don't be ashamed for Lebron because everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for most of their rings.... except MJ, who carried his team's scoring for every Playoffs and Finals..

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).






The 90's Bulls would've lost every Finals if Jordan got destroyed by the opposing 2nd option like Curry did against Kyrie..

It's impossible to lose if your 2nd option is destroying the opposing 1st option and league MVP, so Lebron should get knocked for needing 7 games - he only needed 7 because he wet the bed through 4 (24 ppg and 6 TO's).

If Rik Smits (2nd option) outplayed Shaq in the 2000 Finals, would Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment by winning that series?.. Or if KJ outplayed Jordan in 93', does Barkley get credit for a goat accomplishemnt?.. You can do this with any Finals.. So why should Lebron get credit for a shared load?






if Lebron gets 29 points and Kyrie gets 27, that's the definition of shared load and the opposite of carry-job.

Accordingly, Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team or Finals team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick - so he has zero carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing..

Ultimately, Lebron hand-picked the pre-season favorite from 2011-2016, but fell to underdog or loser every year except the Ray Allen miracle in 2013... Lebron is a complete fraud with a completely manufactured resume that began with the "decision" to form a super-team in a conference that 1-star teams routinely won.






Lebron can't have carry-jobs against the top teams because the stats show he lacks the contested jumpshooting required of tougher carry-jobs and higher volume - he infact avoids contested jumpshooting and defers them to teammates because 89% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) of Lebron's jumpers were uncontested in 2020, compared to 69% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/202695/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for Kawhi, 61% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201935/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for Harden, and 50% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201142/shots-dash/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for KDGoat (2019 stats).

So Lebron's poor contested-jumpshooting ability prevents him from carry-jobs against the top teams, and he can't beat teams with high scoring anyway because Lebron's high scoring equals over-dribbling, which doesn't win against ball movement of the best teams.. (Lebron has no series wins outside the 1st round when he averages 35+)..

It was revealing when Stan Van Gundy talked about the 09' ECF and said "we wanted him to dribble and get stats".. Ultimately, his over-dribbling hurt him, along with his weak clutch jumpshooting - he shot 30% on jumpers in the 4th quarter of that series, including 3 lost leads in the fourth quarter and getting demolished by Dwight in the critical Game 4 OT that swung the series
1-9

[Hey Yo]

MJ's playoff numbers in year 17 and 18??

[Lebron23]

MJ's playoff numbers in year 17 and 18??

This

[Ainosterhaspie]

Not sure what the point here is supposed to be. LeBron is a facilitator who likes to get other players involved and set them up. That naturally depresses his scoring output and increases that of teammates. He's more like Magic, Isiah, Bird who dominated the 80s with equal or even higher scoring teammates.

Jordan is the only player in the modern era who has earned titles as scoring leader. Excessive scoring by one player is usually a losing formula. Perhaps the question should be "why is it that for all of Jordan's supposed strong off ball play that allows for team offense, his teammates couldn't seem to score".

There's a contradiction with the idea that he played within an offensive system that allowed team wide contribution when despite that he regularly scored a disproportionate amount of points for the team compared to other team systems. It doesn't make sense that Jordan helped his teammates score more, when his teammates had unusually low scoring output for title teams.

Maybe it's just Jordan's greatness, but probably not. It's more likely that a big reason for this is that despite the appearance of a functioning team offense, Jordan actually did not help team output in any meaningful way because at the end of the day he entered the league as a me first scorer, and remained one throughout his career despite acquiescing to a system that burned a lot of clock without scoring since he knew he'd get the ball after all the ineffective ball movement and score like he would have had they not done all that.

He let teammates touch the ball a lot, but didn't really make it easier for them to score. So they didn't. But that was fine for Jordan since it just meant he got to score a ton.

It's so weird to see people simultaneously criticise LeBron for being too reliant on teammate scoring while also criticizing him for being too ball dominant, and acting like Jordan played great team ball despite the fact that his teammates never scored at a level comparable to other championship teams.

[Shooter]

MJ's playoff numbers in year 17 and 18??

Brutal!

:lebronamazed:

He never had the heart to make it, he was a bald, quitting fakkit

[Ainosterhaspie]

And 2016 was absolutely a carry job since there is more to basketball than scoring. LeBron was also far and away their best defender carrying them with cone critical defensive play after another. He was their offensive engine keeping the offense functioning even when he wasn't scoring, but he also led them in scoring.

[Shooter]

And 2016 was absolutely a carry job since there is more to basketball than scoring. LeBron was also far and away their best defender carrying them with cone critical defensive play after another. He was their offensive engine keeping the offense functioning even when he wasn't scoring, but he also led them in scoring.

Whoa, I heard he led every single player in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks for the entire Finals series. Is that even possible?

[LeCola]

1-b or co-b?

[ShawkFactory]

Not sure what the point here is supposed to be. LeBron is a facilitator who likes to get other players involved and set them up. That naturally depresses his scoring output and increases that of teammates. He's more like Magic, Isiah, Bird who dominated the 80s with equal or even higher scoring teammates.

Jordan is the only player in the modern era who has earned titles as scoring leader. Excessive scoring by one player is usually a losing formula. Perhaps the question should be "why is it that for all of Jordan's supposed strong off ball play that allows for team offense, his teammates couldn't seem to score".

There's a contradiction with the idea that he played within an offensive system that allowed team wide contribution when despite that he regularly scored a disproportionate amount of points for the team compared to other team systems. It doesn't make sense that Jordan helped his teammates score more, when his teammates had unusually low scoring output for title teams.

Maybe it's just Jordan's greatness, but probably not. It's more likely that a big reason for this is that despite the appearance of a functioning team offense, Jordan actually did not help team output in any meaningful way because at the end of the day he entered the league as a me first scorer, and remained one throughout his career despite acquiescing to a system that burned a lot of clock without scoring since he knew he'd get the ball after all the ineffective ball movement and score like he would have had they not done all that.

He let teammates touch the ball a lot, but didn't really make it easier for them to score. So they didn't. But that was fine for Jordan since it just meant he got to score a ton.

It's so weird to see people simultaneously criticise LeBron for being too reliant on teammate scoring while also criticizing him for being too ball dominant, and acting like Jordan played great team ball despite the fact that his teammates never scored at a level comparable to other championship teams.
This is always something that Jordan fans can't seem to wrap their heads around. Did Jordan take so many shots and score so much because he had to? Or is it because he just...could, and did?

Are we sure that if he scores 3-5 points less per game over his finals or playoff career that the result is any different? Do we REALLY think those few points couldn't have been made up by others over the course of the game?

His greatness is in the fact that he could score like that on the biggest stage (and of course the other aspects of the game that he excelled at). Not because he had to.

[Indian guy]

2012

LeBron 30 ppg
D-Wade 23 ppg

2013

LeBron 26 ppg
D-Wade 16 ppg

I see OP conveniently chose to ignore these 2 playoff runs :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

As a long time MJ fan...... 1-9. Please seek help.

[tpols]

Its amazing how easily they handle a TWO seed producing like that.

[StrongLurk]

Mods can you please put OP out of his misery? Dude is an ADDICT and mentally unstable yet the mods keep enabling him.

OP needs real life therapy, please ban him from ISH for a final time (unlike the hundred other soft bans).

I'm being 100% serious, OP's life is in danger here.

[LAmbruh]

Its amazing how easily they handle a TWO seed producing like that.
Wild Wild West babyboi, #1 seed- #10 seed swole top to bottom

takin care a biz as defending champs :applause:

[Shooter]

Wild Wild West babyboi, #1 seed- #10 seed swole top to bottom

takin care a biz as defending champs :applause:


b-b-b-b-b leBroN cOuLd nEvA WiNz dA wiLd wEsT dOe

:lol :lol

[Shooter]

As a long time MJ fan...... 1-9. Please seek help.

He asks for the punishment. I still think he's a secret LeBron fan

[1987_Lakers]

Not sure what the point here is supposed to be. LeBron is a facilitator who likes to get other players involved and set them up. That naturally depresses his scoring output and increases that of teammates. He's more like Magic, Isiah, Bird who dominated the 80s with equal or even higher scoring teammates.

Jordan is the only player in the modern era who has earned titles as scoring leader. Excessive scoring by one player is usually a losing formula. Perhaps the question should be "why is it that for all of Jordan's supposed strong off ball play that allows for team offense, his teammates couldn't seem to score".

There's a contradiction with the idea that he played within an offensive system that allowed team wide contribution when despite that he regularly scored a disproportionate amount of points for the team compared to other team systems. It doesn't make sense that Jordan helped his teammates score more, when his teammates had unusually low scoring output for title teams.

Maybe it's just Jordan's greatness, but probably not. It's more likely that a big reason for this is that despite the appearance of a functioning team offense, Jordan actually did not help team output in any meaningful way because at the end of the day he entered the league as a me first scorer, and remained one throughout his career despite acquiescing to a system that burned a lot of clock without scoring since he knew he'd get the ball after all the ineffective ball movement and score like he would have had they not done all that.

He let teammates touch the ball a lot, but didn't really make it easier for them to score. So they didn't. But that was fine for Jordan since it just meant he got to score a ton.

It's so weird to see people simultaneously criticise LeBron for being too reliant on teammate scoring while also criticizing him for being too ball dominant, and acting like Jordan played great team ball despite the fact that his teammates never scored at a level comparable to other championship teams.

Shut it down

[3ball]

2012

LeBron 30 ppg
D-Wade 23 ppg

2013

LeBron 26 ppg
D-Wade 16 ppg

I see OP conveniently chose to ignore these 2 playoff runs :oldlol:


Lebron only averaged 5-6 more than Wade in the 12' and 13' Finals - so he didn't carry the load - teammates infact staved off an 0-3 deficit while Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games of the 13' Finals.

Otoh, Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every series, while assisting 33% more often

[3ball]

Not sure what the point here is supposed to be. LeBron is a facilitator who likes to get other players involved and set them up. That naturally depresses his scoring output and increases the scoring of teammates





^^^ Stopped reading right there

Kyrie, Wade, AD, Love, and Bosh were better scorers than Pippen - Lebron didn't make them score more then Pippen - they were already far superior scorers than Pippen that Lebron reduced..

So your premise that Lebron was a passer, so his teammates saw higher scoring is false - his teammates saw far lower scoring and assists alongside him. and they always were better scorers than Pippen.

Furthermore, Lebron had low-assist teams because he lowers his teammates' assists (lebron hogs his team's assists)... Wade/Kyrie/Mo were bigger assist guys than Pippen, but Lebron reduced their assists...

[GrayGoat]

3ball still propping up LeBron

[3ball]

3ball still propping up LeBron


Lebron needs 1b's and Jordan didn't; so no

But keep deflecting because I know it's a hard point to counter - lebron has always needed extra scoring help (star help) than Jordan

[hateraid]

Jordan was Barkley's 1B during the Olympics. Imagine that.

[Hey Yo]

Lebron needs 1b's and Jordan didn't; so no

But keep deflecting because I know it's a hard point to counter - lebron has always needed extra scoring help (star help) than Jordan
What were MJ's playoff numbers in his 17th and 18th seasons??

[hateraid]

Again 3ball with stats with little context. Has he even watched the playoffs? With his take obviously not

[Phoenix]

He asks for the punishment. I still think he's a secret LeBron fan

That's been my theory for a while.

[3ball]

What were MJ's playoff numbers in his 17th and 18th seasons??


Lebron had 1b's since 2011 because that's what he needs to win - he needs more scoring help (star help) than Jordan

Ultimately, Jordan won the most dominant way/the GOAT way (scoring champ carry-jobs)

[Koresh]

2021 Playoffs

AD............. 23.5 ppg
Lebron...... 20.5 ppg


2020 Playoffs

AD............. 27.7 ppg
Lebron...... 27.6 ppg



TLDR: Lebron needs 1b's (equal-scoring partners) and elite 1st options to play sidekick - he never won with a true 2nd option or while carrying scoring load for playoffs and Finals

I forgot who won the 2020 Finals MVP. Let me check...

Let me see...

Oh, it was LeBron James.

/thread.

Go play in traffic.

[Hey Yo]

Lebron had 1b's since 2011 because that's what he needs to win - he needs more scoring help (star help) than Jordan

Ultimately, Jordan won the most dominant way/the GOAT way (scoring champ carry-jobs)

2012 and 2013 was already pointed out you're wrong.

2020 LeBron wants to know what postseason MJ avg. in his 17th and 18th season.

Why was he only able to play 7 consecutive seasons before needing to load manage in his prime?

[Shooter]

2012 and 2013 was already pointed out you're wrong.

2020 LeBron wants to know what postseason MJ avg. in his 17th and 18th season.

Why was he only able to play 7 consecutive seasons before needing to load manage in his prime?

MJ cant pass so all he could do was score. Very limited player.

LBJ led his team in Finals scoring 9x to MJ's 6x

LBJ led his team in Finals scoring and assists 9x to MJs 3x


Just different levels to their offensive abilities truly.

1.LBJ

~Gap~


~Yep still gap~


2.MJ

[3ball]

.
2004 Cavs.... NO ALL-STARS

2005 Cavs.... LEBRON/ZYDRUNAS BECOME ALL-STARS AND ACQUIRE FUTURE ALL-DEFENDER VAREJAO

2006 Cavs.... LEBRON/ZYDRUNUS ACQUIRE ANOTHER ALL-DEFENDER HUGHES AND THE FUTURE COY (TOP DEFENSES)


^^^ Lebron got 3 years to develop his team before entering the playoffs in Year 3 as a high seed, which can't be compared to rookie Jordan being forced into the playoffs as an 8 seed.

When Jordan had the same 3 years to develop his team that Lebron got, he won 50 games and made the 2nd Round in his 3rd healthy season (88'), just like 3rd year Lebron (06').

Ultimately, Lebron always enjoyed high seeds and teammates with all-star resumes in a conference that 1-star teams were winning, while Jordan made the playoffs or had deep runs with low seeds and undecorated role players in a conference that required a super-team to win it.

[Shooter]

MJ cant pass so all he could do was score. Very limited player.

LBJ led his team in Finals scoring 9x to MJ's 6x

LBJ led his team in Finals scoring and assists 9x to MJs 3x


Just different levels to their offensive abilities truly.

1.LBJ

~Gap~


~Yep still gap~


2.MJ

Is there no one else?

[Ne 1]

You do know that lebron was 2 points away from leading the ENTIRE playoffs (all teams) in points, rebounds and assists in 2020? But people look at the scoring column alone and think it tells the whole story 😂

[Shooter]

MJ cant pass so all he could do was score. Very limited player.

LBJ led his team in Finals scoring 9x to MJ's 6x

LBJ led his team in Finals scoring and assists 9x to MJs 3x


Just different levels to their offensive abilities truly.

1.LBJ

~Gap~


~Yep still gap~


2.MJ

OP? We done here? LeSpanked

[3ball]

You do know that lebron was 2 points away from leading the ENTIRE playoffs (all teams) in points, rebounds and assists in 2020? But people look at the scoring column alone and think it tells the whole story ��


The Lakers aren't as dominant as they should be because Lebron sacrifices team brand of ball for personal stats.

Specifically, he can't produce while the ball moves (lacks elite jumpshooting skill), so his teams are forced to employ a less effective brand of ball (Lebron's ball-dominance and 2-PG lineups)

[LeCola]

For last three games:

1: Davis
2-a: Schröder
2-b: Lebron
2-c: Drummond

[scuzzy]

AD is a byproduct of LeBirdfeeder


We all saw AD's abysmal record without Daddy this season

[8Ball]

LeBron has gone from being the team leading scorer to becoming Magic Johnson for his team.

So far LeBron is averaging 21/9/6 in these playoffs.

Magic for his career playoffs averaged 18/10/7

LeBron James turned into the GOAT PG at will.

[8Ball]

MJ cant pass so all he could do was score. Very limited player.

LBJ led his team in Finals scoring 9x to MJ's 6x

LBJ led his team in Finals scoring and assists 9x to MJs 3x


Just different levels to their offensive abilities truly.

1.LBJ

~Gap~


~Yep still gap~


2.MJ

[3ball]

MJ cant pass so all he could do was score. Very limited player.

LBJ led his team in Finals scoring 9x to MJ's 6x

LBJ led his team in Finals scoring and assists 9x to MJs 3x


Just different levels to their offensive abilities truly.

1.LBJ

~Gap~


~Yep still gap~


2.MJ


Jordan was called the league's best point guard in Year 5 (89'), while Lebron wasn't called that until Year 17.

And only Jordan can average 10+ assists without starting at PG (91' Finals).

So Jordan's passing skill was superior to Lebron's basic playground king approach (ball-dominance), and Jordan was also elite off-ball/jumpshooting.

Btw, guys like Love, Kyrie and Zydrunas were all-stars, so Lebron never led bums to the playoffs or deep run... Otoh, 85-89' MJ led undecorated casts of role players and low seeds to the playoffs or deep runs.

Ultimately, Lebron needed 2 stars to win, or he needed to be "pippen" to AD

[LeCola]

LeBron has gone from being the team leading scorer to becoming Magic Johnson for his team.

So far LeBron is averaging 21/9/6 in these playoffs.

Magic for his career playoffs averaged 18/10/7

LeBron James turned into the GOAT PG at will.

Wrong numbers.

Magic is 19.5/12.3/7.7 with 3.7 turnover per game.

Lebron is 20.7/9.3/5.7 with 4.3 turnover per game.

Also, Magic averaged 15+ APG two times.

[Nilocon165]

Op we are 3 games into the playoffs, simmer down

[light]

2021 Playoffs

AD............. 23.5 ppg
Lebron...... 20.5 ppg


2020 Playoffs

AD............. 27.7 ppg
Lebron...... 27.6 ppg



TLDR: Lebron needs 1b's (equal-scoring partners) and elite 1st options to play sidekick - he never won with a true 2nd option or while carrying scoring load for playoffs and Finals

You're stuck in the 90s, brother. Your mind has been warped by ball hogs.

[light]

2021 Playoffs

AD............. 23.5 ppg
Lebron...... 20.5 ppg


2020 Playoffs

AD............. 27.7 ppg
Lebron...... 27.6 ppg



TLDR: Lebron needs 1b's (equal-scoring partners) and elite 1st options to play sidekick - he never won with a true 2nd option or while carrying scoring load for playoffs and Finals

Lol

2020 Total Scoring (Points + Assist Points):

LeBron: 44.7 points per game
Davis: 34.7 points per game

2021 Total Scoring (Points + Assist Points):

LeBron: 50.4 points per game
Davis: 36.7 points per game

LeBron is the Lakers offense. When AD plays well it was orchestrated by LeBron. The Lakers entire offense is orchestrated by LeBron.

[Shooter]

LeBron has gone from being the team leading scorer to becoming Magic Johnson for his team.

So far LeBron is averaging 21/9/6 in these playoffs.

Magic for his career playoffs averaged 18/10/7

LeBron James turned into the GOAT PG at will.

He's the only type of player that could do this.

Playoff DPOY

Scoring Title

Assist Title

Playoff scoring King


LeGoat

[Shooter]

Lol

2020 Total Scoring (Points + Assist Points):

LeBron: 44.7 points per game
Davis: 34.7 points per game

2021 Total Scoring (Points + Assist Points):

LeBron: 50.4 points per game
Davis: 36.7 points per game

LeBron is the Lakers offense. When AD plays well it was orchestrated by LeBron. The Lakers entire offense is orchestrated by LeBron.

WHOOPS :lol

Looks like 3ball forgot that assists are part of the OFFENSE too :roll: This guy doesn't know a damn thing about basketball if he forgot that