3ball, what does Luka need to be become a legit GOAT candidate?

[90sgoat]

Did you see his new found Dirk midrange fadeaway?

I would combine that with learning a Kobe-esque up and under move. Lethal!

I'd also want to see him get jumphook.

Then there would be no weakness offensively.

[Shooter]

Kobe is trash, don't taint a LeBron ball student.

[ImKobe]

Defense... MJ was elite on both ends. Luka's a liability.

[90sgoat]

Defense... MJ was elite on both ends. Luka's a liability.

I don't think Luka is a liability anymore. He used to be a liability, but his bulk allows him to do well in one on one situations.

He certainly is not a liability like Harden or even Curry.

[3ball]

Defense... MJ was elite on both ends. Luka's a liability.


Tbh, I don't value individual defense if the player in question is superior offensively..

Superior offensive players allow GM's to surround them with cheaper defenders, while weaker offensive players require expensive offensive teammates.. That's why Curry/Kyrie/Bird have been on #1 defensive teams.

So is Luka superior offensively?.. I doubt it because Luka hasn't been called the best post player in basketball like MJ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYsbx66LZbA&t=0m42s), or the best jumpshooter like MJ (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=57091082&postcount=15799).. MJ was the best guard in the game, who also had the best big man game (post game).. He also had the goat on-ball/off-ball package, including documented 32.3/8.4/9.3 stats at point for his career (https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/why-michael-jordan-shouldve-been-point-guard-according-don-nelson)

[3ball]

That being said, Luka can be goat if he 4-peats while having goat production rate

[GrayGoat]

Luka is already better than 22 year old MJ

[8Ball]

Luka is already better than 22 year old MJ

This.

More talented player of the two.

[3ball]

Luka is already better than 22 year old MJ


23-year Jordan was setting the playoff record and playing better than anyone ever has against the champs and #1 defense (44/6/6 vs 86' Celtics).

And it's dfferent formats - today's game allows the non-big to have the most impact, while the league in 1985 was set up for bigs.. It took Jordan a few years to change the trajectory of the league towards the perimeter player.

[GrayGoat]

23-year Jordan was setting the playoff record and playing better than anyone ever has against the champs and #1 defense (44/6/6 vs 86' Celtics).

And it's dfferent formats - today's game allows the non-big to have the most impact, while the league in 1985 was set up for bigs.. It took Jordan a few years to change the trajectory of the league towards the perimeter player.

Luka is career 55% from midrange and 33% from 3 on very high volume. He’s better than MJ

[1987_Lakers]

Tbh, I don't value individual defense if the player in question is superior offensively..

Superior offensive players allow GM's to surround them with cheaper defenders, while weaker offensive players require expensive offensive teammates.. That's why Curry/Kyrie/Bird have been on #1 defensive teams.

So is Luka superior offensively?.. I doubt it because Luka hasn't been called the best post player in basketball like MJ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYsbx66LZbA&t=0m42s), or the best jumpshooter like MJ (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=57091082&postcount=15799).. MJ was the best guard in the game, who also had the best big man game (post game).. He also had the goat on-ball/off-ball package, including documented 32.3/8.4/9.3 stats at point for his career (https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/why-michael-jordan-shouldve-been-point-guard-according-don-nelson)

Imagine thinking MJ was the best post player with Hakeem & young Shaq also in the league.

[bullettooth]

Luka is already better than 22 year old MJ

Of course a Bronsexual would say this.

[1987_Lakers]

Of course a Bronsexual would say this.

Michael Jordan at 22 was getting his shit pushed in by Sidney Moncrief in the playoffs.

[8Ball]

Jordan is a lot like Kawhi. Can score a lot but can't run the offense effectively like Luka or LeBron can.

Luka is just a better basketball player. More talent. Can do more on the court.

[Shooter]

This.

More talented player of the two.

LeBron ball in action :applause:

[Shooter]

Jordan is a lot like Kawhi. Can score a lot but can't run the offense effectively like Luka or LeBron can.

Luka is just a better basketball player. More talent. Can do more on the court.

+1

Luka is a LeBron ball student

Carmello Anthony is an MJ ball student

[90sgoat]

+1
Luka is a LeBron ball student


Unfortunately yes.

I will watch Luka, but he is infuriating to root for. I can't understand how people root for Lebron as well.

And Lebron studied Tracy McGrade who studied Allen Iverson, who was really the first to blatantly flaunt any ideas of team basketball and just dominate the ball.

Lebron wasn't the first.

Tracy McGrady was the first in the terms of "big guards with extreme usage" spamming the high pick and roll.

It was an inefficient playing style then as well.

[8Ball]

Imagine making Luka run some sort of dog shit inferior offense like the "triangle offense" :lol


The dude is a surgeon out there calling whatever play he desires. Like Beethoven.


Luka is insanely high IQ.


If Luka has 16 seasons like this I'd be happy to put Luka in the top 2 category with LeBron.

[GrayGoat]

Imagine making Luka run some sort of dog shit inferior offense like the "triangle offense" :lol


The dude is a surgeon out there calling whatever play he desires. Like Beethoven.


Luka is insanely high IQ.


If Luka has 16 seasons like this I'd be happy to put Luka in the top 2 category with LeBron.

The triangle worked because teams literally were not allowed to make adjustments (zone) imagine if LeBron had that luxury :oldlol:

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Fixed.




Luka is already better than 22 year old Lebron

[2much_knowledge]

How about being better than Bird first. After 3 seasons, head to head , Bird leads in all average categories except points and assists.

And a goat candidate CAN'T suck at the free throw line

[2ball]

Luka is currently beating his Bird “Kawhi” in his 2nd postseason. Remarkable