The triangle is rarely successful because it requires goat volume offense

[2ball]

And efficiency. What makes MJ special is that he achieved this solo while it required Kobe an equal/more dominant big to succeed.

[8Ball]

Pippen was the main playmaker, defender, and leader who had the soft skills MJ lacked.

Jordan stole the glory and shots, but Pippen was THE GUY. Everybody in the lockerroom knew it. They knew without Pippen they could never sniff a title. They smelled one when Jordan quit - and that solidified their belief in Scottie as the man.

Statistics won't ever tell the real truth so that's why you hide behind them and compare Scottie to guys who put up big stats while losing early in the playoffs every year. But it's BOGUS and nobody takes it seriously. It's WEAK.

You also have labeled Bill Russell the GOAT on many occasions, despite his stats and defensive impact being worse than Scotties. So your hypocrisy and inconsistencies further negate your talking points.

Scottie is top 15 all-time and there's no amount of crying you can do to change that.

[Shooter]

bUt wHat aBouT lArRy hUgHeS and muh dRoP sTeP

[ImKobe]

Pippen was the main playmaker, defender, and leader who had the soft skills MJ lacked.

Jordan stole the glory and shots, but Pippen was THE GUY. Everybody in the lockerroom knew it. They knew without Pippen they could never sniff a title. They smelled one when Jordan quit - and that solidified their belief in Scottie as the man.

Statistics won't ever tell the real truth so that's why you hide behind them and compare Scottie to guys who put up big stats while losing early in the playoffs every year. But it's BOGUS and nobody takes it seriously. It's WEAK.

You also have labeled Bill Russell the GOAT on many occasions, despite his stats and defensive impact being worse than Scotties. So your hypocrisy and inconsistencies further negate your talking points.

Scottie is top 15 all-time and there's no amount of crying you can do to change that.

False. Jordan led the '91 Bulls in points, assists, and blocks in the Playoffs. :kobe: Pippen was a glorified role player on offense for the vast majority of their 6 title runs.

[3ball]

False. Jordan led the '91 Bulls in points, assists, and blocks in the Playoffs. :kobe: Pippen was a glorified role player on offense for the vast majority of their 6 title runs.


True.

Jordan's triangle's achieved goat ORtg's and far bigger margins above league ORtg than Shaq's or Kobe's, despite no offensive help.

[Axe]

You can't fool us, AirBonner/Vino24/GrayGoat. ;)

[bullettooth]

Pippen was the main playmaker, defender, and leader who had the soft skills MJ lacked.

LeBron nut huggers resorting to lies now, LOL.

Desperate.

[Shooter]

LeBron nut huggers resorting to lies now, LOL.

Desperate.

Pippen led over MJ in asissts for 3 championship runs and never had a worse DefRtg for all 6 years.

6x anchor
3x offensive leader

#LearnYourHistory

[lakerstekkenn]

And efficiency. What makes MJ special is that he achieved this solo while it required Kobe an equal/more dominant big to succeed.


It requires players with high Basketball I.Q because it's a read the defense system based on different players having a knowledge of counter offensive knowledge to certain teams defensive systems, but this takes time; film study, Kobe had a high Basketball I.Q; Shaq would read his center position; just pass to the open man, others would read the lanes: cut slash then either kick it out or pass the ball to the cutters but the cutters must move knowing the pass might come while others have certain spots they must be at when the pass might come, if the players aren't in the right position the ball just goes out of bounds & people who don't understand the system will blame the passer when it's the other players fault unless the ball handler forget the correct position the open players should be at, but this isn't possible because these certain reactions to certain defense are drilled over & over in practice.

The system even when run correctly gives the Triangle players the advantage of rebounding because of the positions they would be in when reading defenses; cutting slashing to the basket; certain shots being taken.

Example Kobe slashes to the basket: Robert Horry is in his required position plus Shaq also then Kobe misses his shot; there's two Lakers under the basket ready to rebound boxing out their defenders, rebound put back or kick out to the open players.

Jordan would ISO all of the time because he had the advantage & his teammates would move to a position that left a one on one advantage with Jordan hitting jump sots or Jordan slashing then kicking it out to Kerr Paxton or others.

Shaq would be in his position then receive the pass either kick it out when the double teams came or attack the rim, Shaq dominated this system because of the correct spacing it gave him because of the abilities to have three point threats, this required teams to either give up the open three or double Shaq while getting in foul trouble, teams had serious problems with this system, the only way to stop the Lakers was to play Shaq one on one then stay with the other players not giving up open three's I.E Detroit Pistons, stop everyone else don't double Shaq let your center with strength cover him.

[AussieSteve]

Why is there a 2ball and a 3ball now, both with the same lame schtick!?

[lakerstekkenn]

And efficiency. What makes MJ special is that he achieved this solo while it required Kobe an equal/more dominant big to succeed.

Jordan & Kobe wouldn't run The Triangle at times because they had the free will to play their own game to their own strength while still reading the defense, Kobe had to be the play maker point guard & be Jordan but Jordan wasn't the point guard this was left to Pippin & others, so Kobe had a greater responsibility & used more energy to make plays & be Jordan a scoring slashing threat.

The Kings ran the Princeton offense & didn't need a high scoring guard & this is the same system as The Triangle, a read the defense passing slashing system built to give open threes, these offensive systems where designed for strong passing high Basketball Centers & not built on incredible scoring guards like Jordan & Kobe but it worked because of Kobe & Jordan's incredible abilities to create their own shots & pass plus take over the games because of their high Basketball I.Q.

Shaq & Webber plus Vlade Divac & Pau Gasol & Bynum thrived in this system built for them because they were good post up players & great passing big men.

They all had three point shooters slashers & good point guards, the Triangle is built for Centers & Power forewords who can pass post up & hit jump shots, it wasn't built for Kobe & Jordan but it worked because it was modified these two wouldn't run it all of the time, but ran their offensive abilities to their offensive strengths.

Phil would get angry at Kobe sometimes because he started doing his own thin to much instead of running & trusting the system Shaq & the other players would get upset because this system was built for Centers like Shaq & Kobe would be like Jordan taking the ball from Shaq & others, then Kobe settled down taking over when needed like against the Spurs because Shaq couldn't dominate the twin towers because of his aggressive style & would get in foul trouble & stopped Kobe would slash attack & shoot because the Spurs couldn't stop him & his quickness Kobe would destroy the Spurs but against other teams Shaq would be the offensive threat running the Triangle, while against other teams Kobe would be Jordan running the offense to his strengths at times.

[RogueBorg]

Pippen led over MJ in asissts for 3 championship runs and never had a worse DefRtg for all 6 years.

6x anchor
3x offensive leader

#LearnYourHistory

Are you gonna pretend 2011 never happened?

[Axe]

Why is there a 2ball and a 3ball now, both with the same lame schtick!?
Op is actually owned by a bran/celtic fan who also has three other accounts itb.

[lakerstekkenn]

And efficiency. What makes MJ special is that he achieved this solo while it required Kobe an equal/more dominant big to succeed.

The Triangle was made for Shaq & not designed for Jordan but modified to fit their strengths, but the Triangle is a dominant passing Center & Power Forwards offense & not a Jordan or Kobe offense.

The Triangle offense was designed for a Center.

[SATAN]

MJ's career would have looked more like Dominique Wilkins' if not for Phil Jackson.