Can phoenix win if AD is out?

[Bronbron23]

I think they can. They didn't stand a chance with AD. Without him it's basically an even series. Be interesting to see what the line will be next game if davis dosn't play.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Phoenix should be favorites if AD is done. Without Bron/AD the Lakers aren't all that.

[Nilocon165]

They could’ve won with him in imo, Paul looks healthy again

[ArbitraryWater]

Did you mean to ask can Lakers win if AD is out?

[LAmbruh]

They should, overwhelming heavy #2 seed favorites facing a #7 seed



What a dumb thread :oldlol: :hammerhead:

[Bronbron23]

Did you mean to ask can Lakers win if AD is out?

Either way what's the difference

[Bronbron23]

They should, overwhelming heavy #2 seed favorites facing a #7 seed



What a dumb thread :oldlol: :hammerhead:

Still trolling i see:facepalm

[Spurs m8]

No way Lakers win without AD...it'll be 2019 all over again

[Bronbron23]

They should, overwhelming heavy #2 seed favorites facing a #7 seed



What a dumb thread :oldlol: :hammerhead:

Funny thing is you actually got what you wanted. With davis out suns may be favored by a slight margin.

[ImKobe]

Of course, Davis is the best player in the series, Lakers are very beatable without him.

[Airupthere]

Offense was ugly for both teams today. Would def help the suns win if AD is out. But injuries are shit.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He was already questionable today and then returned and hurt his groin, so he's guaranteed to sit out game 5.

Lakers will be down 2-3 and then it's just a matter of Davis returning or not.

If Davis is out for the rest of the series, Lakers have a 0% chance of winning another game.

Davis has been Lakers best player this series

[Bronbron23]

He was already questionable today and then returned and hurt his groin, so he's guaranteed to sit out game 5.

Lakers will be down 2-3 and then it's just a matter of Davis returning or not.

If Davis is out for the rest of the series, Lakers have a 0% chance of winning another game.

Davis has been Lakers best player this series

0% ?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

They should, overwhelming heavy #2 seed favorites facing a #7 seed



What a dumb thread :oldlol: :hammerhead:

Lakers were 2:1 favorites to beat the Suns before the series started.

Suns were and still are underdogs.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

0% ?

This was the first game that Chris Paul looked healthy. Legrandpa has no chance to beat Paul + Booker all by himself

[Bronbron23]

This was the first game that Chris Paul looked healthy. Legrandpa has no chance to beat Paul + Booker all by himself

Nah man. Phoenix had no chance with davis. Without him it's an even ball game or maybe Phoenix has a slight edge. Vegas line should reflect this. I imagine phoenix will -1.5 favorites

[And1AllDay]

They should, overwhelming heavy #2 seed favorites facing a #7 seed



What a dumb thread :oldlol: :hammerhead:

[HoopsNY]

I had Lakers in 7. I still stand by it.

[LAmbruh]

They should, overwhelming heavy #2 seed favorites facing a #7 seed



What a dumb thread :oldlol: :hammerhead:
so much this :applause:

[3ball]

Without Bron/AD the Lakers aren't all that.





Lol you know damn well that the Lakers are nothing without AD (literally lottery in 2019).






Without Bron/AD the Lakers aren't all that.





Love was a perennial all-star in 2018 and the best 2nd option in the conference, while Kyrie played half the games in the 15' Eastern Playoffs (including half the ECF games).

And by virtue of being all-stars or all-defenders in 2005, Zydrunas/Hughes weren't "bums" when Lebron made the playoffs in 2006 - they were decorated players that Lebron had begged to join him (see post #15921).

So Lebron never carried "bums" or low seeds to the playoffs or a deep run, whereas MJ did from 85-89' (he led undecorated role players to the playoffs or deep runs, including low seeds)..

[Bronbron23]

They should, overwhelming heavy #2 seed favorites facing a #7 seed



What a dumb thread :oldlol: :hammerhead:

Lakers were a 2/1 heavily favorites. But the thread is dumb:roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lol you know damn well that the Lakers are nothing without AD (literally lottery in 2019).

Without them as a tandem, LA is mediocre. Just like I said.

At this stage of Bron's career, who knows. Maybe the Lakers are better with AD than vice versa. :confusedshrug:

Neither are winning a title without one another, so its irrelevant.

[Indian guy]

They should.

Lakers are down 2 starters and are led by a 36 year old guy who's far from 100%.

[Bronbron23]

They should.

Lakers are down 2 starters and are led by a 36 year old guy who's far from 100%.

Lebron has looked pretty close to 100% this series. What are u watching?

[Indian guy]

Lebron has looked pretty close to 100% this series. What are u watching?

His 22 ppg is far and away a career playoff low. By no means does he look quick or explosive out there (as he did before ankle injury). His lack of aggression all series barring 1 qtr is a pretty clear testament to his limited ability.

[Bronbron23]

His 22 ppg is far and away a career playoff low. By no means does he look quick or explosive out there (as he did before ankle injury). His lack of aggression all series barring 1 qtr is a pretty clear testament to his limited ability.
He averaged 25 a game this year with around 7 assists. This series he's 22 pts but he has 2 more assists a game. Plus he's shooting a full 10% lower for ft so that accounts for about a point. So basically he's scoring 2 points less but has 2 more assists. His offensive production is about the same. He's looked fine. He's still getting up and is fast when he puts the afterburners on. If anything he's just getting older and dosn't exert aa much energy as often.

[highwhey]

it will be a tough and challenging road ahead. the lakers are the defending champions and they have the overwhelming size and talent advantage. the suns on the other hand were a lottery team until cp3 joined them, and he's hobbling on one leg at the moment, plus the suns have never been to the playoffs as a unit (THIS ROSTER), so they are inexperienced and young.

it will be challenging.

[Ne 1]

Lost by 8 with a late missed layup and turnover after being down 18 in the same quarter doesn’t really equal 0% chance.

[Axe]

it will be a tough and challenging road ahead. the lakers are the defending champions and they have the overwhelming size and talent advantage. the suns on the other hand were a lottery team until cp3 joined them, and he's hobbling on one leg at the moment, plus the suns have never been to the playoffs as a unit (THIS ROSTER), so they are inexperienced and young.

it will be challenging.
This. We'll get to see what happens for the rest of the series.

[BigShotBob]

Lost by 8 with a late missed layup and turnover after being down 18 in the same quarter doesn’t really equal 0% chance.

The Suns were 2-13 from 3 for the second half. That probably won't happen very often at all.

[Indian guy]

He averaged 25 a game this year with around 7 assists. This series he's 22 pts but he has 2 more assists a game.

This is some 3ball-esque rounding :oldlol:

LeBron is average 8.5 assists per game in this series. During the regular season he averaged 7.8. Where are you getting 2 more assists from? He's not even averaging 1 more apg. To go along with 3 less ppg. This from a guy with a long history of upping his numbers in the playoffs.

The video is even more telling, frankly. In the half-court he mostly looks so slow and inexplosive. Has been passive all series, despite the games being competitive and LA's own offensive struggles. He doesn't exert himself much because he lacks the ability to do so. The numbers are all career lows for a reason. Career playoff low in FGA, FTA, % of total FGA from 0-3 ft, 3-10 ft. They all signify an inability to attack the basket. You are going to say well-he's-old-now, but the numbers are wayyyyyy down from last postseason itself. And let me tell you, as someone who watches every Laker game, LeBron was a better offensive player this year than last prior to the ankle injury. I said this numbers times during the regular season.

[coastalmarker99]

This is some 3ball-esque rounding :oldlol:

LeBron is average 8.5 assists per game in this series. During the regular season he averaged 7.8. Where are you getting 2 more assists from? He's not even averaging 1 more apg. To go along with 3 less ppg. This from a guy with a long history of upping his numbers in the playoffs.

The video is even more telling, frankly. In the half-court he mostly looks so slow and inexplosive Has been passive all series, despite the games being competitive and LA's own offensive struggles. He doesn't exert himself much because he lacks the ability to do so. The numbers are all career lows for a reason. Career playoff low in FGA, FTA, % of total FGA from 0-3 ft, 3-10 ft. They all signify an inability to attack the basket. You are going to say well-he's-old-now, but the numbers are wayyyyyy down from last postseason itself. And let me tell you, as someone who watches every Laker game, LeBron was a better offensive player this year than last prior to the ankle injury. I said this numbers times during the regular season.



Do you think Lebron's game will improve in the later rounds of the playoffs if the Lakers can somehow get past the Suns with a hurt AD.

[highwhey]

The Suns were 2-13 from 3 for the second half. That probably won't happen very often at all.

both teams haven't been shooting all that well from 3pt land, actually, the lakers are shooting even worse. the regression to the mean will happen at some point, and the lakers are due for a MEAN regression (pun intended). so, statistically speaking, the lakers are due for one hell of a 3pt shooting night.

[Ne 1]

The Suns were 2-13 from 3 for the second half. That probably won't happen very often at all.

lakers scored 15 pts in the 3rd that surely won’t happen again

[Bronbron23]

This is some 3ball-esque rounding :oldlol:

LeBron is average 8.5 assists per game in this series. During the regular season he averaged 7.8. Where are you getting 2 more assists from? He's not even averaging 1 more apg. To go along with 3 less ppg. This from a guy with a long history of upping his numbers in the playoffs.

The video is even more telling, frankly. In the half-court he mostly looks so slow and inexplosive. Has been passive all series, despite the games being competitive and LA's own offensive struggles. He doesn't exert himself much because he lacks the ability to do so. The numbers are all career lows for a reason. Career playoff low in FGA, FTA, % of total FGA from 0-3 ft, 3-10 ft. They all signify an inability to attack the basket. You are going to say well-he's-old-now, but the numbers are wayyyyyy down from last postseason itself. And let me tell you, as someone who watches every Laker game, LeBron was a better offensive player this year than last prior to the ankle injury. I said this numbers times during the regular season.

I was going by the first 3 games. Didn't see the stats for todays game.

And he clearly isn't that hurt. I've had ankle injuries. I've seen other players with ankle injuries. It's usually fairly obvious. Bron isn't limping, he's still flying, he's still explosive. No he's probably not a 100% but who is come playoff time.