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coastalmarker99
06-03-2021, 08:24 AM
While many of Wilt's records nowadays are considered totally unbreakable, such as averaging 22.9 rebounds for a career or 50.4 points per game in a season, scoring 100 points or 55 rebounds in a single game, scoring 65 or more points 15 times, 50 or more points 118 times and averaging 48.5 minutes for an entire season.




I wanna know who has a chance.

What I do know that whoever does it, will officially be able to call themselves the GOAT.

coastalmarker99
06-03-2021, 08:33 AM
To be truthfully honest I don't see another player breaking any of Wilt's records as long as basketball is played.





Lebron fans can brag about his all-time playoff scoring record all they want but that has a way bigger chance of getting broken compared to Wilt's all-time rebounding records and scoring records.

Manny98
06-03-2021, 08:36 AM
No because it was a different era and the stats were completely inflated back then

100 points back then is equivalent to 60 points today

coastalmarker99
06-03-2021, 08:42 AM
No because it was a different era and the stats were completely inflated back then

100 points back then is equivalent to 60 points today


If the stats were so inflated then how come Wilt was the only one of his era and indeed in Nba history putting up the numbers he did.




I mean only six players have scored 60 or more points on more than one occasion: Wilt Chamberlain (32 times), Kobe Bryant (6 times), Michael Jordan (5 times), Elgin Baylor (4 times), James Harden (4 times), and Damian Lillard (3 times).



You should notice that every player on the list besides Wilt and Baylor is from the modern era.

Psileas
06-03-2021, 08:43 AM
Realistically is there anyone that can break Wilt's countless records

Adam Silver's rules and marketing. Of course, some of Wilt's records won't likely be broken any time soon, but up to a few years ago, he used to hold even more records that the combination of soft rules and stat obsession of certain star players helped break, including the seasonal FG% record (broken by a non-name guy who took advantage of today's empty paints) and several triple double records, broken by Westbrook, Harden and Jokic - although the real number of his triple doubles (with blocks included) is much higher, especially given today's definition of assists. Maybe somewhere between 200 and 400.

rawimpact
06-03-2021, 08:43 AM
Remove the 3second rule and wait for a guy like shaq to come into the league while the league continues to trend towards small ball.

coastalmarker99
06-03-2021, 08:47 AM
Adam Silver's rules and marketing. Of course, some of Wilt's records won't likely be broken any time soon, but up to a few years ago, he used to hold even more records that the combination of soft rules and stat obsession of certain star players helped break, including the seasonal FG% record (broken by a non-name guy who took advantage of today's empty paints) and several triple double records, broken by Westbrook, Harden and Jokic - although the real number of his triple doubles (with blocks included) is much higher, especially given today's definition of assists. Maybe somewhere between 200 and 400.



His triple-double record for the regular season is in the 400's and his triple-double record for the postseason is in the '60s or 70's which is insane to think about.




I know for a fact in every game 7 he played throughout his postseason career he had over 6 to 7 triple-doubles in them which disproves the argument that he is a choke artist in the postseason.

rawimpact
06-03-2021, 08:50 AM
Wilt was being guarded by a 6'9 benchwarmer of a player on the worst team in the nba to get that 100pts. Everything was just forced through wilt because of the massive diff in size. They didn't even know how to play zone defense then.

again, in a era without 3sec rule

coastalmarker99
06-03-2021, 08:53 AM
Wilt was being guarded by a 6'9 benchwarmer of a player on the worst team in the nba to get that 100pts

again, in a era without 3sec rule

I don't care about the era that he played in as almost every player in Nba history couldn't even score 100 points in a game against high school and college teams.

rawimpact
06-03-2021, 08:56 AM
I don't care about the era that he played in as almost every player in Nba history couldn't even score 100 points in a game against high school and college teams.


Sure they can... especially a center. Just not a good look. Also considering wilt averaged like 49min a game that season...

Even high school kids know how to play zone defense

Instead of playing 1 on 1 the whole time against someone who's towering over a scrub player.

coastalmarker99
06-03-2021, 08:58 AM
Sure they can... especially a center. Just not a good look. Also considering wilt averaged like 49min a game that season...

Even high school kids know how to play zone defense

Instead of playing 1 on 1 the whole time against someone who's towering over a scrub player.


That is deeply untrue as Wilt was being tripled teamed by New york in the game that he scored 100 points in.




The only reason why Wilt scored 100 points that night was that he was on fire from the foul line as he went 28 from 32 there

rawimpact
06-03-2021, 09:01 AM
That is deeply untrue as Wilt was being tripled teamed by New york in the game that he scored 100 points in.




The only reason why Wilt scored 100 points that night was that he was on fire from the foul line as he went 28 from 32 there

The tallest opposing player, who played center, was 6'9

Reggie43
06-03-2021, 09:46 AM
How impressive is 20+ rebs when there are years that up to four guys were basically averaging that number lol.

rawimpact
06-03-2021, 09:54 AM
Remember when the Spurs spoon fed David Robinson in the last game of the season to get him the scoring record? He got like 71 points...

100 would be easy if teams intentionally fed a big

Spain_
06-03-2021, 10:03 AM
Eventually, someday there will be period where the style of play allows a player to come around and actually do it.
I cant imagine it being anytime soon though.

Rysio
06-03-2021, 10:12 AM
Wilt was way ahead of his time so to do what he did someone would have to be 30-50 years ahead of current times.

Psileas
06-03-2021, 12:04 PM
His triple-double record for the regular season is in the 400's and his triple-double record for the postseason is in the '60s or 70's which is insane to think about.




I know for a fact in every game 7 he played throughout his postseason career he had over 6 to 7 triple-doubles in them which disproves the argument that he is a choke artist in the postseason.

Well, I hope some of those games will eventually surface, because, while in theory Wilt has dozens, if not hundreds of such games, in practice I haven't seen any full (or close to full) game of his that belongs there. On the contrary, I've seen a couple of games in which he doesn't record more than 1-2 blocks.

coastalmarker99
06-03-2021, 12:09 PM
Well, I hope some of those games will eventually surface, because, while in theory Wilt has dozens, if not hundreds of such games, in practice I haven't seen any full (or close to full) game of his that belongs there. On the contrary, I've seen a couple of games in which he doesn't record more than 1-2 blocks.



Well I know he had


14 blocks vs Russell in the 1962 Ecf game 7 and 12 blocks vs Russell in the 1968 Ecf game 7 along with 10 blocks in game 7 of the 1969 finals.




Also In the footage, I have been able to see of him against Kareem in the 1971 and 1972 Wcf along with the Suns in 1970 and Bulls in 1971 Wilt is a blocking and sometimes stealing machine and this is him post knee injury.

Psileas
06-03-2021, 12:12 PM
Wilt was way ahead of his time so to do what he did someone would have to be 30-50 years ahead of current times.

That's what made him so incredibly special. His dominance stood above all others', unlike other eras (even older than his), when you'd have trouble making out who the most dominant player really was. E.g, shooting 55% in a league where a zillion others (including offensively challenged players and players who hadn't reached such percentages in past years while being better versions of themselves) do the same, isn't nearly as impressive as being the only guy in the league that manages to do so.

Psileas
06-03-2021, 12:17 PM
14 blocks vs Russell in the 1962 Ecf game 7 and 12 blocks vs Russell in the 1968 Ecf game 7 along with 10 blocks in game 7 of the 1969 finals.

Good, I knew he had a lot of blocks in that 1962 ECF game, because even Cousy praised him, and Cousy wasn't much of a fan. So, he played much better than the simplistic "season low in scoring" narrative says. Someone can't be praising Russell's game and yet think Wilt played badly at the same time.
1968 ECF 7 is more important to know, because this is among his most criticized games, despite his 34 rebounds, 5 assists, all these while being injured etc. If he had anywhere near 10 blocks while being injured, I have a hard time criticizing him, when no-one else (at least among bigs) has proven he's done better under similar conditions.

coastalmarker99
06-03-2021, 12:18 PM
That's what made him so incredibly special. His dominance stood above all others, unlike other eras (even older than his) when you'd have trouble making out who the most dominant player really was. E.g, shooting 55% in a league where a zillion others (including offensively challenged players and players who hadn't reached such percentages in past years while being better versions of themselves) do the same, isn't nearly as impressive as being the only guy in the league that manages to do so.


To fully understand Wilt if you have ever seen some remastered footage of his rookie season or his other Warrior seasons you will quickly notice just how quick Wilt is along with his strength and jumping ability.






Also when you watch Wilt's Warrior teammates outlet to him on the fast break Wilt just blows by everybody and dunks it.






It's honestly scary much how freakish of an athlete Wilt was when you see the footage of his prime years then you start to understand why he was so unstoppable for most of his career.



In his first game ever he had 43 points and 28 rebounds to go along with 17 blocks but that was not what impressed me the most what personally impressed me the most about Wilt during that game was his freakish ability on the fastbreak and the way he could leap high into the air to grab shots.

Airupthere
06-03-2021, 12:44 PM
I dont know how true this is but from what I understand, they were allowing Wilt to be hacked moreso because of his size advantage.

Wilt was penalized for being physically better than everyone else. Lebron today is being rewarded by letting him drive and ward off and not be touched on the drive by defenders.

I cant imagine what Wilt would do if the refs call a foul on the defender everyone Wilt makes a move.

FKAri
06-03-2021, 01:28 PM
Most likely there will be rule changes some time in the future which will end up breaking seemingly unbreakable records.


I dont know how true this is but from what I understand, they were allowing Wilt to be hacked moreso because of his size advantage.

Wilt was penalized for being physically better than everyone else. Lebron today is being rewarded by letting him drive and ward off and not be touched on the drive by defenders.

I cant imagine what Wilt would do if the refs call a foul on the defender everyone Wilt makes a move.

Guys like Lebron, Kawhi and other strong perimeter players get hacked and bumped way more than they offensive foul.

And1AllDay
06-03-2021, 01:54 PM
7602 is beyond unbreakable

leking remains on top

Axe
06-03-2021, 03:03 PM
No because it was a different era and the stats were completely inflated back then
Having scrub teammates in his prime also played a part on that too