The first low seed of Lebron's career = 1st Round exit

[3ball]

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the only reason he didn't have 1st Round losses previously is because he always got a couple seasons in the lottery to develop his teams before entering the playoffs as a favored, high the seed and easy 1st Round matchup..

This was his first low seed and he lost in the 1st Round

[BigKobeFan]

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the only reason he didn't have 1st Round losses previously is because he always got a couple seasons in the lottery to develop his teams before entering the playoffs as a favored, high the seed and easy 1st Round matchup..

This was his first low seed and he lost in the 1st Round

He played against the kemba walkers and aaron gordons for 15 years

[And1AllDay]

bran won more playoff games in one series then mike did in 3 years :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg

2-4 vs 1-9

we win again

[Airupthere]

It was simply no AD, no 2nd round. It can not be made more obvious. As soon as AD went out, the lakers did not have a chance. They got blown out 2x. Not even competitive.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Lakers were MASSIVE favorites

"Here's something you don't see, well, maybe ever in the NBA playoffs: A team seeded seventh is a betting favorite to beat a team seeded second in a series. That's the case for the Los Angeles Lakers vs. Phoenix Suns with L.A. opening as a -270 series favorite at William Hill Sportsbook and Phoenix at +220 even though the Suns finished nine games better than Los Angeles in the Western Conference regular-season standings and have home-court advantage. Phoenix is a 3-point favorite for Sunday's Game 1 in the desert.

It's the first time a No. 7 seed has been favored to win a Round 1 series since at least 1988. Over the last five non-bubble postseasons, teams with home-court advantage won 74 percent of those series."

[Mask the Embiid]

but i thought it was "better" to lose in the 1st round than in the finals :oldlol:


its funny how it changes all of a sudden....but we know how that goes when it comes to lebron :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You got the biggest fukken grin right now. Don't even lie bruh :lol

[bison]

Congrats 3ball. You earned this.

[Airupthere]

but i thought it was "better" to lose in the 1st round than in the finals :oldlol:


its funny how it changes all of a sudden....but we know how that goes when it comes to lebron :oldlol:

Ok to lose when youre in your first few years with a disfunctional organization/team. Not ok when you are the defending champs that had AD.

[3ball]

Lakers were MASSIVE favorites

"Here's something you don't see, well, maybe ever in the NBA playoffs: A team seeded seventh is a betting favorite to beat a team seeded second in a series. That's the case for the Los Angeles Lakers vs. Phoenix Suns with L.A. opening as a -270 series favorite at William Hill Sportsbook and Phoenix at +220 even though the Suns finished nine games better than Los Angeles in the Western Conference regular-season standings and have home-court advantage. Phoenix is a 3-point favorite for Sunday's Game 1 in the desert.

It's the first time a No. 7 seed has been favored to win a Round 1 series since at least 1988. Over the last five non-bubble postseasons, teams with home-court advantage won 74 percent of those series."


Facts are awesome

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Facts are awesome

Another series lost as the favorite for Bran.

0 series lost by MJ as the favorite.

[SATAN]

Facts are awesome

1-9

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Another series lost as the favorite for Bran.

0 series lost by MJ as the favorite.

They were massive favorites....with AD

No way that line is the same with dude being compromised.

[ELITEpower23]

bran won more playoff games in one series then mike did in 3 years :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg

2-4 vs 1-9

we win again

[sportjames23]

Ok to lose when youre in your first few years with a disfunctional organization/team. Not ok when you are the defending champs that had AD.

:applause:

[WhiteKyrie]

Goes to show Anthony Davis really was their best player. Not only that. But I’ve never seen a defending NBA champion lose in the first round. There goes LeBron’s precious fluffy meaningless first round record

[3ball]

1-9


Lebron hadn't lost in the 1st Round previously because he always had a couple years in the lottery to build his squads before entering the playoffs as a favored, high seed and easy 1st Round matchup.

Not surprisingly, the first time he had a low seed, he lost in the 1st Round.

Ultimately, rookie Pippen was an 8 ppg bench-warmer that MJ carried to the 2nd Round or ECF, while Lebron needed a 2-time all-star center to make the 06' Playoffs, along with a 22/5/5 acquisition and the future COY.

So Lebron always had high seeds and decorated teammates in a conference that 1-star teams were winning, while Jordan carried low seeds and undecorated role players in a conference that required a super-team to win it.

Btw, everyone should've known that lebron couldn't carry these Lakers over the Suns because he's never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (no carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing).. He simply lacks the jumpshooting ability for tough carry-jobs and infact avoids contested jumpers, according to NBA.com stats.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Devin Booker got 9 points on 49% TS from Chris Paul as his 2nd option. Shame on you LeBron hahahahha

[SATAN]

You can tell who doesn't pay much attention to the regular season. Lakers were never going to get a chip this year.

[ELITEpower23]

bran won more playoff games in one series then mike did in 3 years :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg

2-4 vs 1-9

we win again

Is there no one else? OP running again?

[Smoke117]

1-9

[Airupthere]

You can tell who doesn't pay much attention to the regular season. Lakers were never going to get a chip this year.

Hindsight is 20-20

[SATAN]

Is there no one else? OP running again?

Probably busy looking through his saved documents and will copy and paste a response shortly :lol

[BigShotBob]

Lakers were MASSIVE favorites

"Here's something you don't see, well, maybe ever in the NBA playoffs: A team seeded seventh is a betting favorite to beat a team seeded second in a series. That's the case for the Los Angeles Lakers vs. Phoenix Suns with L.A. opening as a -270 series favorite at William Hill Sportsbook and Phoenix at +220 even though the Suns finished nine games better than Los Angeles in the Western Conference regular-season standings and have home-court advantage. Phoenix is a 3-point favorite for Sunday's Game 1 in the desert.

It's the first time a No. 7 seed has been favored to win a Round 1 series since at least 1988. Over the last five non-bubble postseasons, teams with home-court advantage won 74 percent of those series."

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

[ELITEpower23]

:applause:

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[Naero]

Goes to show Anthony Davis really was their best player. Not only that. But I’ve never seen a defending NBA champion lose in the first round. There goes LeBron’s precious fluffy meaningless first round record

You've never watched the 2007 and 2012 NBA Playoffs?

[Axe]

You've never watched the 2007 and 2012 NBA Playoffs?
:roll:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

:roll:

What you laughing at bum, you just let a guy eliminate you on your home court and drop 47 on you

[Axe]

What you laughing at bum, you just let a guy eliminate you on your home court and drop 47 on you
I hope you'll get yours too, you dumbass son of a bitch. Lol.

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Is there no one else? OP running again?

Digging DEEP +20 years ago to compensate your tonight's frustrations with your QUEEN and her Legless master??

[wagexslave]

It was simply no AD, no 2nd round. It can not be made more obvious. As soon as AD went out, the lakers did not have a chance. They got blown out 2x. Not even competitive.

With healthy AD and healthy CP3 all 7 games, I think the Suns still win. AD was fine in the first 2 games and the Suns won game 1 and I truly believe with CP3 they would have won game 2. CP3 was a hindrance in that game and yet the Suns still were right with the Lakers until the end of the fourth quarter. Was pretty obvious not having CP3 cost them that game.

Let's be real the Lakers supporting cast just can't shoot to save their life. Yes they have a great defense but this is a league where offenses are favored by the refs, you gotta hit some shots once in a while to win.

[3ball]

This is Lebron's first time losing in the 1st Round





Lebron didn't have 1st Round losses previously because his first teams had several seasons to develop in the lottery before entering the playoffs as a favored, high seeds with easy 1st Round matchups.

Otoh, Jordan's first teams were thrown into the playoffs in Year 1 as 8 seeds - so he lost like Lebron just did or like any 8 seed does, especially rookie 8 seeds.

But when Jordan had 3 healthy seasons to develop his team (88'), he won 50 games and made the 2nd Round just like 06' Lebron... In his 4th healthy season (89'), Jordan was vastly outperforming 07' Lebron against the champs.






Lebron carried bums to the playoffs





05' Zydrunas'.... 17/9 and 2.1 blocks.. 19.5 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. all-star
88' Pippen.......... 8/5 and 0.7 blocks.. 12.9 PER.. 0.066 WS/48.. bench-warmer


Pippen was an 8 ppg rookie that MJ carried to the 2nd Round or ECF, while Lebron needed a 2-time all-star center to make the 06' Playoffs, along with a 22/5/5 acquisition and the future COY.

So Lebron always had high seeds and decorated teammates in a conference that 1-star teams were winning, while Jordan carried low seeds and undecorated role players in a conference that required a super-team to win it.







Lebron carried bums to deep runs





Love was a perennial all-star in 2018 and the best 2nd option in the conference, while Kyrie played half the games in the 15' Eastern Playoffs (including half the ECF games).

And by virtue of being all-stars or all-defenders in 2005, Zydrunas/Hughes weren't "bums" when Lebron made the playoffs in 2006 - they were decorated players that Lebron had begged to join him (see post #15921 (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=57120736&postcount=15921)).

So Lebron never carried "bums" or low seeds to the playoffs or a deep run, whereas MJ did from 85-89' (he led undecorated role players to the playoffs or deep runs, including with low seeds)... By contrast, Lebron barely won 40 games with the East all-star center in 05', or Rondo/Ingram in 20'.






1-9




Jordan had low seeds - lebron never had low seeds in the playoffs until this year, where he lost in the 1st Round

Btw, the only games the Lakers won were the 2 that AD scored 34 points - otherwise, the Lakers were blown away by epic amount

[Mr.GOAT2408]

The only good team he's faced in the 1st round and he lost in 6 :roll:

Even without AD for like 2 1/2 games it wasn't like he had those mid 00s Lakers surrounding him nor was he facing the SSOL Suns

Pathetic

[coin24]

What a loser:roll:

[WhiteKyrie]

You've never watched the 2007 and 2012 NBA Playoffs?
Let me rephrase, forgot about those seasons …

I never saw the defending champion, with a fan base under the group delusion that their best player is the greatest player of all time, but also featuring the actual best player on the team, the third best PER player of all time.

TO LOSE in the first round. As the first ever seventh seed favorites? Never seen that. Pathetic too. Stacked ass roster. Even more so than the previous season.

No soft, cupcake, easy to win try hard Disney Mickey Mouse bubble championship Finals to be had here.

[RogueBorg]

1-9

6/15 > 4/18

[TheCorporation]

6/15 > 4/18

7,631 > 5,987

[RogueBorg]

They were massive favorites....with AD

No way that line is the same with dude being compromised.

Lakers were favored last night.

[RogueBorg]

but i thought it was "better" to lose in the 1st round than in the finals :oldlol:


its funny how it changes all of a sudden....but we know how that goes when it comes to lebron :oldlol:

Lebronstans have sunk to comparing 1st round resumes. That's how bad it's gotten for them. The desperation is real.

[FKAri]

It's incredible how easily 1-9 just ends all arguments from OP. No matter what he says, "1-9" and it's neutralized. It's beautiful. So simple. So elegant.

[TheCorporation]

It's incredible how easily 1-9 just ends all arguments from OP. No matter what he says, "1-9" and it's neutralized. It's beautiful. So simple. So elegant.

A thing of beauty, really

[bullettooth]

A thing of beauty, really

https://i.postimg.cc/prvjZqvw/rip-lebum.jpg

[RogueBorg]

7,631 > 5,987

LOL loser mentality, you can have the points, I'd rather have the hardware.

[ImKobe]

With healthy AD and healthy CP3 all 7 games, I think the Suns still win. AD was fine in the first 2 games and the Suns won game 1 and I truly believe with CP3 they would have won game 2. CP3 was a hindrance in that game and yet the Suns still were right with the Lakers until the end of the fourth quarter. Was pretty obvious not having CP3 cost them that game.

Let's be real the Lakers supporting cast just can't shoot to save their life. Yes they have a great defense but this is a league where offenses are favored by the refs, you gotta hit some shots once in a while to win.

Lakers took HCA and were on their way to a 3 - 1 lead before AD's injury. Lebron & AD were both around 75% at best as is and KCP got injured and didn't play in Game 4 either. KCP was our best 3PT shooter in the RS at 41%, but couldn't make shots in the first 2 games and then got injured too. Kuzma shot 36% from 3 at 5.6 3PA in the RS and only made 4 out of 23 threes in the series. Booker was a 34% 3PT shooter in the RS but had the best 3PT shooting night of his career in the biggest game of the series.

Lakers made 2 less 3s per game and shot 2% worse in the RS than the Suns, but that's with Davis and Bron both missing 27-36 games, so they'd probably have been about as good as Phoenix with a healthy team with Lebron creating more open looks. Lebron & Marc Gasol were the only Laker players to shoot above 33% from 3 in the series. It is what it is.

[tpols]

They were massive favorites....with AD

No way that line is the same with dude being compromised.

They were -142 favorites going into last nights game.

[Joey Turnbuckle]

What about his no seeds?


Can't be eliminated when you miss the playoffs... and he was right at the end of his prime one of those playoff misses.

He also got eliminated by a more dominant player in young Dwight Howard

[WhiteKyrie]

No seeds were worse: 2004, 2005, 2019.

But without A.D., no playoffs. With injured A.D., loses in the first round. As I said last year, he was definitely the Lakers best player on both sides of the ball.

Phoenix Suns haven’t won a playoff series since 2010, they were missing their best player in Chris Paul. And Lakers were the first defending champion favorites as a 7th seed.

Just like the Lakers were missing their best player in Anthony Davis. It was a battle of the sidekicks, and first time playoff appearance Big Dick Devin Booker … mushroom tipped LeBeta

[kawhileonard2]

Facts are awesome

Yep

[BigShotBob]

Another series lost as the favorite for Bran.

0 series lost by MJ as the favorite.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

[ClipperRevival]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheCorporation]

bran won more playoff games in one series then mike did in 3 years :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg

2-4 vs 1-9

we win again

Wrap. It. Up.

[3ball]

They were -142 favorites going into last nights game.


Lebron's history is turning favorites into losers or underdogs - he hand-picked the preseason favorite from 11-16', but fell to underdog or loser every year except the Ray Allen miracle.

[kawhileonard2]

bran won more playoff games in one series then mike did in 3 years :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg

2-4 vs 1-9

we win again

Lebron won more bronze medals as well missed the playoffs more often and then lost in round 1 as a so called defending champion. All of which in his prime.

[And1AllDay]

so the code is dont get a low seed :oldlol:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

[And1AllDay]

bran won more playoff games in one series then mike did in 3 series :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg

2-4 vs 1-9

we win again

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

[3ball]

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Team Development:


2004 CAVS.... 0 all-stars

2005 CAVS.... Lebron/Zydrunas become all-stars

2006 CAVS.... Lebron/Zydrunas acquire a 22/5/5 all-defender and the future coy (top defenses)


Jordan's first teams were forced into the playoffs as 8 seeds in Year 1, while Lebron's first teams developed in the lottery for several seasons before entering the playoffs as favored, high seeds in 06' or 20'.

So the phrase "1-9" compares 3rd year high seeds to 1st year eight seeds.

But when Jordan had 3 healthy seasons to develop his team (88'), he won 50 games and made the 2nd Round just like 06' Lebron... In his 4th healthy season (89'), Jordan was vastly outperforming 07' Lebron against the champs.

Ultimately, Lebron's first low seed equaled 1st Round loss, just like Jordan's rookie and sophomore low seeds.. Otoh, prime Jordan's low seed kicked everyone's ass in 89'.
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[BlackMamba8]

bran won more playoff games in one series then mike did in 3 series :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg

2-4 vs 1-9

we win again

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

Wait what? Bro you need to go outside or something if you think this is winning....smh :facepalm