Tell me what makes Kobe Bryant better than Bradley Beal or Devin Booker

[ArbitraryWater]

Tell me.

Cause there's nothing as far as I'm concerned.


Not game wise, not stat wise.


Circumstances are the only reason their achievements differ.

[rawimpact]

Lebron got his ass handed to him for the 2nd year out of 3 out west

And this guys got Kobe on his mind

Losing it...

[Gohan]

You’re an idiot an clearly have never watched kobe

[BigShotBob]

Tell me.

Cause there's nothing as far as I'm concerned.


Not game wise, not stat wise.


Circumstances are the only reason their achievements differ.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Tell me.

Cause there's nothing as far as I'm concerned.


Not game wise, not stat wise.


Circumstances are the only reason their achievements differ.

His LEGACY.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

OP inhaled glue before making this thread.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

What does one of the best perimeter defenders of all time do better than 2 nikkas that don't D up. Makes sense a retard made this thread. Besides maybe shooting the 3 they do literally nothing better and Kobe had garbage spacing in his prime compared to players now. He was one of the 5 most complete halfcourt players ever and could do it all in the halfcourt in any action

remember we're in the most inflated era ever. An era where a 5'6 midget averaged 29/6 on 63 TS% and led a 1 seed and was top 5 in MVP voting

[SouBeachTalents]

If you said Wade, Durant or Kawhi, sure. But those dudes, c'mon bruh :lol

[Airupthere]

Can you imagine those matchups? Kobe vs Beal or Kobe vs Booker? If you meant prime Kobe that will be carnage. Sure Beal or Booker will score but imagine the length of that game or series, Kobe will be on them. And if they had the duty of guarding Kobe, goodluck.

[HylianNightmare]

How good they are

[ralph_i_el]

This is a conclusion you could only reach if you didn't actually watch Kobe play.

Kobe could guard those guys. They couldn't guard Kobe.

[LAL]

I don't know but Beal > laker lebron, for sure.

[Vino24]

Kobe would be another Paul Pierce without the stacked teams

[Soundwave]

Kobe would average 32-34 ppg in this no defence "shoot however much you want" league.

Beal for sure does not win 2 titles with Pau Gasol and Ron Artest.

Booker probably not either though he is still young, maybe he has another gear.

My view though is a 24/25 year old Kobe would be putting up 32-34 ppg in Booker's place. He's also better defensively (by a lot) than either of these guys in his mid-20s.

[Smoke117]

Nothing, because he isn’t.

[Rysio]

Op clearly a boxscore watcher.

[ArbitraryWater]

If you said Wade, Durant or Kawhi, sure. But those dudes, c'mon bruh :lol



what is it then :confusedshrug:


So far I see a lot of outrage but nothing of substance.

[ArbitraryWater]

This is a conclusion you could only reach if you didn't actually watch Kobe play.

Kobe could guard those guys. They couldn't guard Kobe.

What kind of generic ass bullshit statement is that? :roll:


You wanna tell me defense is what seperates them?

I think I won half the battle then, here.

[3ball]

Athleticism and equal or better jumpshooting skill, and far superior pure scoring ability.. and mamba mentality

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron got his ass handed to him for the 2nd year out of 3 out west

And this guys got Kobe on his mind

Losing it...

Are you retarded bre?

This is a basketball forum.

Not a LeBron board.

[ArbitraryWater]

Athleticism coupled with equal or better jumpshooting skill

that athleticism didnt translate into any better, more efficient scoring though, nor better playmaking...

[3ball]

that athleticism didnt translate into any better, more efficient scoring though, nor better playmaking...


Kobe is a better scorer than Booker or Beal and it isn't close.. Kobe was in a different dimension

[deathawaitu]

Tell me.

Cause there's nothing as far as I'm concerned.


Not game wise, not stat wise.


Circumstances are the only reason their achievements differ.

They all have one thing in common

All better than Lebron

Take the L

[TAZORAC]

Tell me.

Cause there's nothing as far as I'm concerned.


Not game wise, not stat wise.


Circumstances are the only reason their achievements differ.

None really..Booker and Beal are actually better 3 point shooters, but Kobe had a better post game.

If Beal had a O'neal type of player his first 3-4 years he'd have a championship as well.

And you'll never get a legit answer other then "YOU NEVER WATCHED KOBE"

[Gohan]

what is it then :confusedshrug:


So far I see a lot of outrage but nothing of substance.


Did someone knock you upside the head for snitching or something? What makes lebron a better player than tony Parker?

[Manny98]

Defense + playmaking and overall basketball IQ

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Playmaking and ball handling - Kobe was the point guard of 5 championship teams

defense - Kobe was an elite defender in the early 2000's and still better defensively as he got older

also like 5x better athleticism

I would say Booker's prime is underrated though but beal shouldn't be in the convo.

[Objectivity]

jesus fking christ, autisticwater with complete meltdown

[Phoenix]

If you said Wade, Durant or Kawhi, sure. But those dudes, c'mon bruh :lol

I can't put Kawhi in with those other two right now. Dude's talented as hell but flaky as fcuk and lacks intangibles/leadership qualities. His cache is just about up coming off that 2019 chip, especially if he fails to get past a pre-prime Luka. This 'everything is now advanced stats' era is starting to make Kobe a little underrated IMO.

[MrFonzworth]

OP got his shit pushed in at school and consulted ISH for help because he has no friends irl:roll:

[r0drig0lac]

How good they are

/thread

[Stanley Kobrick]

OP got his shit pushed in at school and consulted ISH for help because he has no friends irl:roll:
:milton

[insight]

Tell me.

Cause there's nothing as far as I'm concerned.


Not game wise, not stat wise.


Circumstances are the only reason their achievements differ.

You mention circumstances, please explain why Beal couldn't help his team extend the series against the 76rs even without Embid. The Wizards struggled just to make the play in game, IMO not a good comparison to Kobe under any circumstances.

[elementally morale]

Not much until you give each of them a basketball.

[2much_knowledge]

Better scorer
Better defender
Better passer
Way tougher
Winning
More athletic

So Beal is supposed to be better than Kobe and has a teammate who puts better numbers than lebron but can't beat sixers w/o Embid? Lol

[Gohan]

OP got his shit pushed in at school and consulted ISH for help because he has no friends irl:roll:

This my dude :cheers:

[Bronbron23]

Tell me.

Cause there's nothing as far as I'm concerned.


Not game wise, not stat wise.


Circumstances are the only reason their achievements differ.

Man these bron stans in full meltdown since last night. Hang in their fakkits everything gonna be ok :oldlol:

[DOUBLE DRIBBLE]

Defense makes him better way better! Beal and Booker are great on offense but they both suck on defense. Kobe was a 2 way player at a very high level… Book and Beal can’t defend for crap.

[DOUBLE DRIBBLE]

Better scorer
Better defender
Better passer
Way tougher
Winning
More athletic

So Beal is supposed to be better than Kobe and has a teammate who puts better numbers than lebron but can't beat sixers w/o Embid? Lol


Kobe better scorer? Yes

Kobe better passer? No

Kobe tougher? No

Winning? Yes

More athletic? Most definitely

Kobe has that killer instinct. He’s not as good of a passer or shooter but he could still score better than either and his defense was way better! Overall Kobe is a much better player than either.

[Airupthere]

Kobe better scorer? Yes

Kobe better passer? No

Kobe tougher? No

Winning? Yes

More athletic? Most definitely

Kobe has that killer instinct. He’s not as good of a passer or shooter but he could still score better than either and his defense was way better! Overall Kobe is a much better player than either.

Kobe is not tougher? Kobe can play through pain. Lebron gets paralyzed by the fkn AC breaking down. Kobe never backed down from guarding lebron many times in their careers. Lebron has better longevity, that I give him.

[DOUBLE DRIBBLE]

Kobe is not tougher? Kobe can play through pain. Lebron gets paralyzed by the fkn AC breaking down. Kobe never backed down from guarding lebron many times in their careers. Lebron has better longevity, that I give him.I never mentioned Lebron. I was comparing Kobe to Booker and Beal. And for the record I don’t think Lebron is tough at all. Kobe was tougher than Lebron for sure.

[Airupthere]

I never mentioned Lebron. I was comparing Kobe to Booker and Beal. And for the record I don’t think Lebron is tough at all. Kobe was tougher than Lebron for sure.

Lol, my bad. Missed the point that this is vs beal and booker. Still, I would give toughness to kobe. Booker and beal have ways to go, lets see what they have to offer.

[ImKobe]

superior defense & playmaking

y'all dumb as ****

[ClipperRevival]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

[Gougou]

Isn't Kobe also much more clutch than those 2?

[kenneth_griffin]

same thing that makes kobe better than tmac


results


everyone in the nba can make shots. but not everyone can turn those shots into a top 5-10 all time resume

[TheCorporation]

same thing that makes kobe better than tmac


results


everyone in the nba can make shots. but not everyone can turn those shots into a top 5-10 all time resume

Yes, including 12be :lol

[Thenameless]

Tell me.

Cause there's nothing as far as I'm concerned.


Not game wise, not stat wise.


Circumstances are the only reason their achievements differ.

One of the big differences is on defense. Kobe much better than those two.

[outofstomach]

jesus fking christ, autisticwater with complete meltdown

:lol

[kenneth_griffin]

Yes, including 12be :lol

I dunno I think at worst he can be ranked 10th. at best 2nd. and most have him 5th or 6th

all time rankings don't really matter to me though because Jordan's always gonna be #1 no matter how great lebron and kobe fans think their guy was

ask kareem/Russell fans how that served them after retirement

[outofstomach]

Yes, including 12be :lolwhat is your top 10 that leaves kobe out of it?

[TheCorporation]

I dunno I think at worst he can be ranked 10th. at best 2nd. and most have him 5th or 6th

all time rankings don't really matter to me though because Jordan's always gonna be #1 no matter how great lebron and kobe fans think their guy was

ask kareem/Russell fans how that served them after retirement

No one has him 5th or 6th bro. Come on Kenneth. ESPN had him 12th. Bleacher Report 12th. Real GM had him 12th as well. 12be isn't just a trolling thing (although it is a little funny). I give credit for Kobe having a better Finals opponent (2010 Boston) than any of MJ's best Finals opponent but he wasn't very efficient and advanced metrics hate Kobe.

[TheCorporation]

what is your top 10 that leaves kobe out of it?

https://i.postimg.cc/BvT6zRfP/Real-GM-top-100.png

Pretty easy to do that...

[Cold soul]

Yes, including 12be :lol

Kobe is top 10 deal with it.

[Doranku]

Bran's demise has OP more unhinged than usual. Hate to see it.

[TAZORAC]

https://i.postimg.cc/BvT6zRfP/Real-GM-top-100.png

Pretty easy to do that...

Russell, Chamberlain had PRIMITIVE outdated skills. Larry Bird is overrated so is Magic Johnson.

[Cold soul]

Tell me.

Cause there's nothing as far as I'm concerned.


Not game wise, not stat wise.


Circumstances are the only reason their achievements differ.

Why am I not surprised a dipshit like yourself would have a thread like this. :facepalm

[Gohan]

https://i.postimg.cc/BvT6zRfP/Real-GM-top-100.png

Pretty easy to do that...

Left out iverson... not to be taken seriously

[ImKobe]

Kobe is top 10 deal with it.

Man, y'all need to let this shit go. All-time rankings are highly subjective and MJ is the only GOAT, the 2-15 range is all highly debatable, depending on what your criteria and bias is.

[Xiengqichess]

Don't compare the stats or shooting skill!
Here is the facts:
At 20-21 years old, Kobe was as good as 32-33 years old Pippen,( if not better) and Pippen was considered one of the best ONE year earlier!
At 21, Kobe schooled San Antonio team with Duncan and Robinson in it!
Prime Kobe at 27,28, Kobe schooled 21-22 years old Lebron head -up( 06-08 seasons).
At 31-32 Kobe won Championships and considered still top two players in the NBA neck to neck to Lebron!
And at 35 years old, Lebron is still one of the best players and people still think he's better than those players you mentioned!

Connect statements above and you will see how different Kobe is from Beal and Booker!

[Cold soul]

Man, y'all need to let this shit go. All-time rankings are highly subjective and MJ is the only GOAT, the 2-15 range is all highly debatable, depending on what your criteria and bias is.

I do let it go what do you mean. :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

I do let it go what do you mean. :confusedshrug:

No sense in trying to argue with Kobe haters, they'll never put him in the top 10 and that's just how it is. All these "all-time lists" are made by a small number of people and most of them probably never picked up a basketball.

[ClipperRevival]

There are levels to skill. Like footwork, operating from the triple threat, back to the basket, pulls ups, handles, etc. Kobe was literally like a 100. The other two are like a 85. Kobe's skills were on point and had no more room to improve.

Not to mention, he was taller and at his physical peak, more athletic and could go over the top of bigs, something those guys could rarely do. Not to mention, an elite defender and won rings and showed he was clutch.

[sportjames23]

OP, for real? I know you Bronistas are upset, but thus is ridiculous even for you stans.

[ArbitraryWater]

There are levels to skill. Like footwork, operating from the triple threat, back to the basket, pulls ups, handles, etc. Kobe was literally like a 100. The other two are like a 85. Kobe's skills were on point and had no more room to improve.

Not to mention, he was taller and at his physical peak, more athletic and could go over the top of bigs, something those guys could rarely do. Not to mention, an elite defender and won rings and showed he was clutch.

Kobe was bullshit in the clutch.

Absolute trash.

Booker and Beal far outdo him in that category.

If the argument really ****ing is „levels to skills“, I won.


It seems there is nothing from a production standpoint that Kobe does more for the team than Beal or Book.

All 3 operate the exact same way.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe was bullshit in the clutch.

Absolute trash.

Booker and Beal far outdo him in that category.

If the argument really ****ing is „levels to skills“, I won.


It seems there is nothing from a production standpoint that Kobe does more for the team than Beal or Book.

All 3 operate the exact same way.
Out of curiously, would you also say Booker & Beal are on the same level of Wade, Durant, Kawhi etc?

[ArbitraryWater]

Out of curiously, would you also say Booker & Beal are on the same level of Wade, Durant, Kawhi etc?

Wade career wise because he dropped so hard, but not prime Wade.

Kawhi no. Kawhi is a level above here.

KD is also a more efficient player but a serial choker and underschiever outside of Olympian teams, so he becomes a little hard to assess in a historical/ATG point of view, but in a vacuum obviously a much better player.

[BigShotBob]

Wade career wise because he dropped so hard, but not prime Wade.

Kawhi no. Kawhi is a level above here.

KD is also a more efficient player but a serial choker and underschiever outside of Olympian teams, so he becomes a little hard to assess in a historical/ATG point of view, but in a vacuum obviously a much better player.

Deflecting Bran's failures by comparing Kobe to fringe stars?

:roll:

[999Guy]

Overall athleticism, ball handling in a big way.

Book is kind of out of his depth here.

Offensively Beal is damn Kobe-ish. Still not the raw athlete though. Finishing lacking. At least as good of a pure shooter but not as good as a tough shot maker.

Defensively it’s whatever. Kobe is better than them but not in a huge way at all. Offensively he blows them out. Especially Book.

[999Guy]

What does one of the best perimeter defenders of all time do better than 2 nikkas that don't D up. Makes sense a retard made this thread. Besides maybe shooting the 3 they do literally nothing better and Kobe had garbage spacing in his prime compared to players now. He was one of the 5 most complete halfcourt players ever and could do it all in the halfcourt in any action

remember we're in the most inflated era ever. An era where a 5'6 midget averaged 29/6 on 63 TS% and led a 1 seed and was top 5 in MVP voting

One of the best perimeter defenders of all-time, lol.

People like Matisse Thybulle, Nate McMillan, and Tony Allen have existed, and Kobe is what, one of their peers?

Kobe wasn’t a better defender than Fisher in any of his title years.

[Charlie Sheen]

Kobe was bullshit in the clutch.

Absolute trash.

Booker and Beal far outdo him in that category.

If the argument really ****ing is „levels to skills“, I won.


It seems there is nothing from a production standpoint that Kobe does more for the team than Beal or Book.

All 3 operate the exact same way.

I don't like restricting the definition of clutch to "late and close" game situations.

From a production standpoint? You can run an offense through kobe. You can let beal shoot a lot. That difference says it all. When it comes down to one possession whether it's the end of the game or to stop the game from getting out of hand with 7 minutes left in the second quarter, the higher you go on the GOAT list... the better chance you have at converting a bucket when you need it and everyone in the arena knows it. Beal aint that. Booker is only 24. I'm not making any judgements on him right now.

[No_Control]

This thread is disgracefully moronic in every sense of the word.

[StrongLurk]

OP with a bad meltdown here.

Why do Lebron stans struggle with feeling secure about Lebron's legacy? I'm a big Bron fan, but he and the Lakers losing already in the playoffs doesn't all of a sudden take Lebron out of the top 3 players of all time.

You should stop stanning so you can actually enjoy watching basketball.

[ArbitraryWater]

Overall athleticism, ball handling in a big way.

Book is kind of out of his depth here.

Offensively Beal is damn Kobe-ish. Still not the raw athlete though. Finishing lacking. At least as good of a pure shooter but not as good as a tough shot maker.

Defensively it’s whatever. Kobe is better than them but not in a huge way at all. Offensively he blows them out. Especially Book.


Yet both of them blow Kobe out the water when it comes to scoring efficiency.

Kobe never shot 47%.

Book has done that and better for 2 years running now.

Beal did it for 2 seasons at high volume + another at just fringe all-star volume.

[Gohan]

Yet both of them blow Kobe out the water when it comes to scoring efficiency.

Kobe never shot 47%.

Book has done that and better for 2 years running now.

Beal did it for 2 seasons at high volume + another at just fringe all-star volume.


If they played in Kobe’s era they wouldn’t be shooting over 47%

[jayfan]

None really..Booker and Beal are actually better 3 point shooters, but Kobe had a better post game.

If Beal had a O'neal type of player his first 3-4 years he'd have a championship as well.

And you'll never get a legit answer other then "YOU NEVER WATCHED KOBE"


I'm sorry, did you watch Beal play the first 3 or 4 years of his career? You're comparing that to Kobe?

:facepalm


.

[paksat]

probably the worst thread in ISH history

kobe had zero weaknesses on offense, zero

besides his shot selection being borderline retarded, he had really good everything.

[ImKobe]

probably the worst thread in ISH history

kobe had zero weaknesses on offense, zero

besides his shot selection being borderline retarded, he had really good everything.

Of course. But Kobe's retarded shot selection is what also made him great, but unlike Beal and Booker, he could also run the triangle better than Pippen ever did.

And this is coming from Phil Jackson, regarding a 22 y.o Kobe


"Kobe's become the floor leader of a basketball team that was kind of looking for that nature of a player, who could not only be a scorer, but also be a playmaker or consistently make big plays at critical times," Jackson said. "So it was very important for Kobe to step into that role that he was envisioned at. I've always held the bar up very high for Kobe, and he's not only reached that bar, but he's jumping over the top of it right now.
"And I think it's the best that I've ever seen a player of mine play with an overall court game. I'm asking him to do so much, and he's accomplishing it."
Jackson was quickly asked for a clarification. That includes Michael Jordan?
"I never asked Michael to be a playmaker," Jackson said. "That's the greatest player that I've ever had, that I could consider the greatest player in the game, and I never asked him to be a playmaker in those terms. I asked him to be playmaker when he was doubled or tripled. But Kobe has to set up the offense, to advance the ball, to read the defense, to make other players happy, and he's doing a great job of that."

[ArbitraryWater]

You can add Mitchell to this, by the way....



the answer is still nothing.

[RRR3]

You can add Mitchell to this, by the way....



the answer is still nothing.
:facepalm

Stop it.

[ArbitraryWater]

:facepalm

Stop it.

Answer.


Why is Kobe supposed to be better than Mitchell.

[RRR3]

Answer.


Why is Kobe supposed to be better than Mitchell.
You like stats. His stats are better. There you go.

[ArbitraryWater]

You like stats. His stats are better. There you go.

I asked you a question.

What does Kobe do outside of the stat sheet, that isnt being recorded/documented by basketball basic or advanced stats, to top Mitchell?

[ImKobe]

Answer.


Why is Kobe supposed to be better than Mitchell.

Better production in a tougher defensive era. Mitchell hasn't even made an All-NBA team yet and he's 24 :kobe: .

[RRR3]

I asked you a question.

What does Kobe do outside of the stat sheet, that isnt being recorded/documented by basketball basic or advanced stats, to top Mitchell?
Um...everything besides 3pt shooting.

[ArbitraryWater]

Better production in a tougher defensive era. Mitchell hasn't even made an All-NBA team yet and he's 24 :kobe: .

He didnt have better production though.

Mitchell is on pace to be a same level playoff scorer in volume, on better efficiency.


Kobe has a defensive edge from 99-03, and thats about it.

Its a slim argument.

There is nothing he gives more to a team.



Are we gonna forever keep him above better producing and more efficient players because he played in a tougher defensive era?


Seems pretty weak.

[ImKobe]

He didnt have better production though.

Mitchell is on pace to be a same level playoff scorer in volume, on better efficiency.


Kobe has a defensive edge from 99-03, and thats about it.

Its a slim argument.

There is nothing he gives more to a team.



Are we gonna forever keep him above better producing and more efficient players because he played in a tougher defensive era?


Seems pretty weak.

He did.

Mitchell 2021: 26/4/5 56.9%TS, league average TS% is 57.2
Kobe 2003: 30/7/6 55%TS, league average TS% was 51.9

now stfu

[ArbitraryWater]

Um...everything besides 3pt shooting.

by that logic Kobe will always keep his place as fundamentally he's textbook.


production doesn't seem to matter anymore when it comes to Kobe.

He had ideal mechanics, good enough.

[ArbitraryWater]

He did.

Mitchell 2021: 26/4/5 56.9%TS, league average TS% is 57.2
Kobe 2003: 30/7/6 55%TS, league average TS% was 51.9

now stfu


league average TS%? :roll:

So Russell was also an offensive GOAT?

[ImKobe]

league average TS%? :roll:

So Russell was also an offensive GOAT?

Yes, I used the league average to illustrate that it was much harder to score in the early 2000s vs. right now. I shouldn't even have to explain this but you clearly have 0 knowledge about the game of basketball and are trying to compare undersized SGs with limited all-around game to a top 10 ATG.

[bobopenguin]

The fact u need someone else to convince u why kobe is better than Bradley Beal or Devin Booker, is already embarrassing.

why not just leave msg on their twitter, and tell them u think they are better than kobe.

[Genaro]

I don't think that even those guys think they're anywhere near Kobe's level. Maybe not even their moms believe so.

[Overdrive]

You self admittedly started watching in '11. You have no feel for the league prior to that. Go watch the '01 All-Star game(sic) it should be still up on youtube.

Why the AS game? It's a glorified offense showcase, right? Just watch it and it might give you a hint how the league was back then.

When the rules changed mid 2000s scoring for some guys exploded. But it's nothing like now. The league has become a layup line - 3pt contest mix. Easy to score efficient on high volume if you get easy baskets at the rim and 3. You think past greats couldn't adapt? You think Booker would be as efficient in any iteration of the league?

[999Guy]

You can add Mitchell to this, by the way....



the answer is still nothing.

Mitchell gets this shit quite interesting.

Mitchell is similar to a young Kobe on style and athleticism.

Ridiculously quick and strong in combo. Getting better at change of direction moves every year it seems. Crazy extension on pull up jumpers like young Kobe or VC.

Is in general just really rare body wise for the sport, and can get in ready shooti rhythms like the last two playoffs.

And can really defend the hell out of it with all the athleticism. Mitchell is Wade-ish on the body but really does give you that young reckless Kobe vibe on play style.

I was gonna talk about him in a thread.


Mitchell is playing like peak/prime somebody. Wade or Kobe? Not style comparison directly but level of play.

Conley plays like prime Chris Paul in essence during the playoffs.

A lot of this is because the use of the volume 3 balls off the dribble from both of them. If they get hot, and they’ve been hot, it only makes their quickness and speed that deadlier and they start to play like real superstars.


Utah in the playoffs is basically a prime CP3/Kobe offense with great role players + an all-time defensive big. They’re set to win it all IMO.

[Bronbron23]

Tell me.

Cause there's nothing as far as I'm concerned.


Not game wise, not stat wise.


Circumstances are the only reason their achievements differ.

Game wise and eye yest your crazy or blind as a bat. Kobe is clearly superior. Chips kobe is superior. Defense kobe is superior. Accolades kobe is superior all though booker is young still. Stats according to you and the rest of your bron stain dummies are apparently better measured by totals so kobe is superior in stats also.

bron losing has yall fakkits losing your mind. Worst meltdown ever:facepalm

[red1]

lol. terrible thread my dude.

[red1]

defense size athleticism ability to make tough shots competitive nature. he had a full SEASON where he put up 35 ppg.



prime kobe would easily be the best guard in the league right now and you would laugh at that comparison. especially beal.

[Jacks3]

Mitchell gets this shit quite interesting.

Mitchell is similar to a young Kobe on style and athleticism.

Ridiculously quick and strong in combo. Getting better at change of direction moves every year it seems. Crazy extension on pull up jumpers like young Kobe or VC.

Is in general just really rare body wise for the sport, and can get in ready shooti rhythms like the last two playoffs.

And can really defend the hell out of it with all the athleticism. Mitchell is Wade-ish on the body but really does give you that young reckless Kobe vibe on play style.

I was gonna talk about him in a thread.


Mitchell is playing like peak/prime somebody. Wade or Kobe? Not style comparison directly but level of play.

Conley plays like prime Chris Paul in essence during the playoffs.

A lot of this is because the use of the volume 3 balls off the dribble from both of them. If they get hot, and they’ve been hot, it only makes their quickness and speed that deadlier and they start to play like real superstars.


Utah in the playoffs is basically a prime CP3/Kobe offense with great role players + an all-time defensive big. They’re set to win it all IMO.

STFU. Your takes are retarded.

[elementally morale]

Always interesting to see people discussing players whom they never saw 'live'. No, box score watching doesn't help. Neither do advanced stats. More surprisingly, watching tape is still not the same as watching when it happens.

I watched tape from the 70's and 60's. Didn't help me much understanding Wilt or Kareem. I kinda knew they had to be good players... but a few games or a few minutes or highligts weren't nearly enough.

If someone started watching in 2013 he would have a hard time with, say, the 2002-3 season. Especially hard if said person was born in 2001. I'm not saying you can't have an opinion on 90's basketball if you are 18 or 22 years old now but your opinion will not count that much.

[AirBonner]

Tired of old ass fans thinking players are untouchable because they saw a player when they were 10 years old.

[elementally morale]

Tired of old ass fans thinking players are untouchable because they saw a player when they were 10 years old.

You have a point. Watching as a 10 year old is not the real thing. However, I was born before Kobe was and played competitive basketball for 10+ years. One of my teammates made it to the NBA. (He was a scrub by NBA standards but an NBA player still.)

You have another point: most memories hit hardest in your late teens and early 20s. Everything you experience then gets magnified a bit. You remember more... and you don' always remember correctly. ;-)

Still, I'd listen to someone's opinion on 70's Kareem more eagerly if the person is a basketball fan since 1967 than I would if he was born in 2002.

[ArbitraryWater]

You self admittedly started watching in '11. You have no feel for the league prior to that. Go watch the '01 All-Star game(sic) it should be still up on youtube.

Why the AS game? It's a glorified offense showcase, right? Just watch it and it might give you a hint how the league was back then.

When the rules changed mid 2000s scoring for some guys exploded. But it's nothing like now. The league has become a layup line - 3pt contest mix. Easy to score efficient on high volume if you get easy baskets at the rim and 3. You think past greats couldn't adapt? You think Booker would be as efficient in any iteration of the league?

:oldlol:

Thanks. Kobe is better now. Lol.

At best we're talking a 2% improvement in scoring efficiency, and even this is an assumption.

More likely is a bigger talent pool nowadays, that simply births more stars, better shooting > higher scoring games.

Athletically its a different sport, with all the swingmen and tweeners.


You act like this is some inflated era, while glossing over or perhaps being in complete ignorance of Kobe feasting on one of the most inflated eras after the rule change of all time.

2005/2006 is the most inflated season in NBA history.

Almost every single all-star had a top 2 scoring year that season. On unusually high FG%. I made a thread on it.


I wonder how many players Kobe will remain better as because "the era was different back then smh!"

[ArbitraryWater]

So far we've had:

-different/tougher era
-Kobe better skillset


seems pretty inconclusive.

[ImKobe]

:oldlol:


2005/2006 is the most inflated season in NBA history.


05-06 season league average: 90.5 Pace, 106.2 ORTG, 53.6%TS
20-21 season league average: 99.2 Pace, 112.3 ORTG, 57.2%TS

25+ ppg scorers in 2006: 10
25+ ppg scorers in 2021: 15

[Spurs m8]

So far we've had:

-different/tougher era
-Kobe better skillset


seems pretty inconclusive.

Don't worry, we don't expect you to get it

[Overdrive]

:oldlol:

Thanks. Kobe is better now. Lol.

At best we're talking a 2% improvement in scoring efficiency, and even this is an assumption.

More likely is a bigger talent pool nowadays, that simply births more stars, better shooting > higher scoring games.

Athletically its a different sport, with all the swingmen and tweeners.


You act like this is some inflated era, while glossing over or perhaps being in complete ignorance of Kobe feasting on one of the most inflated eras after the rule change of all time.

2005/2006 is the most inflated season in NBA history.

Almost every single all-star had a top 2 scoring year that season. On unusually high FG%. I made a thread on it.


I wonder how many players Kobe will remain better as because "the era was different back then smh!"

Sure, humans evolved from 2014 to 2018. They became drastically more athletic and way better shooters. Nothing to do with a new brand of ball coming along.

How did I ignore it when I actually wrote it in my very own post? Some guys exploded, but it wasn't leaguewide until the Warriors showed up and gave the league a formular to exploit defensive deficiencies. You watched the Heatles and the league back then. You think the game was played the same way back in '12 as it was 6 years later, but the players were just worse? Even the players who played prior to the paradigm shift saw their stats increase - across the board. Guys like Brook Lopez and Boogie started taking 3s. They didn't before. You think they evolved into shooters over night? You know what it means for wings if your center starts taking and hitting threes?

Denying that the game changed and wings have it easier to operate in the pace & space league is pretty absurd especially when you haven't witnessed the league prior.

[ArbitraryWater]

Sure, humans evolved from 2014 to 2018. They became drastically more athletic and way better shooters. Nothing to do with a new brand of ball coming along.

How did I ignore it when I actually wrote it in my very own post? Some guys exploded, but it wasn't leaguewide until the Warriors showed up and gave the league a formular to exploit defensive deficiencies. You watched the Heatles and the league back then. You think the game was played the same way back in '12 as it was 6 years later, but the players were just worse? Even the players who played prior to the paradigm shift saw their stats increase - across the board. Guys like Brook Lopez and Boogie started taking 3s. They didn't before. You think they evolved into shooters over night? You know what it means for wings if your center starts taking and hitting threes?

Denying that the game changed and wings have it easier to operate in the pace & space league is pretty absurd especially when you haven't witnessed the league prior.


2014?

the ****?

Kobe made the meat of his career in the mid 00's

theres been a lot of advancement in 15+ years


i'll bet you ive seen more of the NBA pre 2011 than you have.

is your argument REALLY that Kobe played in a tougher league?

Really?

If thats all it is, thats very, very weak. Should open your eyes to some degree.

That assumption will never cut it.

[ArbitraryWater]

05-06 season league average: 90.5 Pace, 106.2 ORTG, 53.6%TS
20-21 season league average: 99.2 Pace, 112.3 ORTG, 57.2%TS

25+ ppg scorers in 2006: 10
25+ ppg scorers in 2021: 15

you need to look at the improvement/raise to the previous year, to gauge its outlierness.

this doesnt show anything. this could be down to improvement of era / talent pool.

[ImKobe]

you need to look at the improvement/raise to the previous year, to gauge its outlierness.

this doesnt show anything. this could be down to improvement of era / talent pool.



03-04 season league average: 90.1 Pace, 102.9 ORTG, 51.6%TS
04-05 season league average: 90.9 Pace, 106.1 ORTG, 52.9%TS
05-06 season league average: 90.5 Pace, 106.2 ORTG, 53.6%TS

Can you stfu now?

[bobopenguin]

Don't worry, we don't expect you to get it

:roll::roll::roll:

[Overdrive]

2014?

the ****?

Kobe made the meat of his career in the mid 00's

theres been a lot of advancement in 15+ years


i'll bet you ive seen more of the NBA pre 2011 than you have.

is your argument REALLY that Kobe played in a tougher league?

Really?

If thats all it is, thats very, very weak. Should open your eyes to some degree.

That assumption will never cut it.

The style of play drastically changed leaguewide between 2014 and 2018 independent of Kobe's career. How is that not an valid argument. Lebron played his arguably best basketball while having inferior stats to later runs. Your sole point us that Beal et al have comparable stats in a league that has an overall stat increase.

I doubt you watched more pre '11 games. I stayed up all night to watch games like '03 Magic vs Nets and stuff like this. I had plenty of time back in the day an I've been watching since '95. I'd be surprised if you re-watched thousands of full games.

[ArbitraryWater]

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[000]

yeah i too have always wondered what made the back-to-back scoring champ and 3x mvp winner better than devin booker

[3ball]

The eye test favors Kobe so enormously that I'm amazed anyone would ask that question

[ArbitraryWater]

yeah i too have always wondered what made the back-to-back scoring champ and 3x mvp winner better than devin booker

Kobe has won 1 MVP award LMAO

[tpols]

The eye test favors Kobe so enormously that I'm amazed anyone would ask that question

You're responding to a bran stan who thinks A Booker Mitchell matchup is Kobe Wade. :oldlol:

Two playoff virgins.

Its a sad attempt to validate Lebrons ass kicking at the hands of Booker, while simultaneously putting down LeBron best help in Wade by comparing him to Donovan Mitchell. Who isn't even a top 10 player in the league.

I respect both their skills but its like getting hyped for Mitch Richmond Joe Dumars battle. They're both good, but nowhere near Wade Kobe.

[000]

Kobe has won 1 MVP award LMAO
lets see

1 kia mvp
2 bill russell finals mvps

1+2=???

[ArbitraryWater]

lets see

1 kia mvp
2 bill russell finals mvps

1+2=???


the first one is called mvp, the other is called finals mvp

ppl say jordan has 6 mvp's, for example

[000]

the first one is called mvp, the other is called finals mvp

ppl say jordan has 6 mvp's, for example
they are all mvp awards

its in the name

[Spurs m8]

the first one is called mvp, the other is called finals mvp

ppl say jordan has 6 mvp's, for example

Nah mate...he has 11 fmvp...the GOAT standard

[RRR3]

Kobe would be more efficient today. Whether you think the league is tougher or easier now is irrelevant, because his efficiency would increase a lot simply because he’d be replacing all those long twos with 3s. I know he wasn’t an elite 3pt shooter but even a mediocre 3pt shooter is more efficient than a very good long two shooter.

[bobopenguin]

op still at it? wow

[MadDog]

Kobe's impact metrics blow these 2 away. Nevermind the superior scoring skills and defense. Dumb thread :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Tell me...




TELL ME.



Nada.

Zilch.

[ImKobe]

Tell me...




TELL ME.



Nada.

Zilch.

Mitchell just got outplayed by Terrance Mann and blew a 25-point 3rd quarter lead.

Booker can ball but he's not there yet.

[Rolando]

not reading any of this. OP is an idiot

[ArbitraryWater]

Mitchell just got outplayed by Terrance Mann and blew a 25-point 3rd quarter lead.

Booker can ball but he's not there yet.

And Kobe got outplayed by Austin Croshere in the finals.

No one cares about your blown anecdotes.

Mitchell is a better scorer in the playoffs than Kobe and you cant do anything about it.

[SouBeachTalents]

OP who else do you think is on Kobe's level?

Dame
Mitchell
Tatum
Trae
Morant

[000]

OP who else do you think is on Kobe's level?

Dame
Mitchell
Tatum
Trae
Morant
Colin Sexton

[ArbitraryWater]

OP who else do you think is on Kobe's level?

Dame
Mitchell
Tatum
Trae
Morant

Booker, Beal, Mitchell.

Those 3. Bar none.

Dame only the last couple years but not close overall.

But these 3 are getting off to a better start than Kobe did

[RRR3]

Booker, Beal, Mitchell.

Those 3. Bar none.

Dame only the last couple years but not close overall.

But these 3 are getting off to a better start than Kobe did
Dame is quite a bit better than everyone on that list besides Kobe wtf.

[ArbitraryWater]

Dame is quite a bit better than everyone on that list besides Kobe wtf.

Right now, but he has no claim all time.

Of course Book/etc dont have yet either, but they're on pace to do the same things Kobe did if not better, for their entire careers.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://yt3.ggpht.com/ZADFkRI1i5s2kUirM8QJnWilvt8wScm_GmdrNFaJUi1bQoJ1_x jzFyumoEpiVkbSVYeiG2Me0-0J=s1024-nd

[SouBeachTalents]

Booker's been atrocious since Game 1, not sure if this is the right time to bump this thread :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Booker's been atrocious since Game 1, not sure if this is the right time to bump this thread :lol

Yeah Kobe never had series‘ like this :lol

Book is playing with a broken nose and face mask too lol

[Ice Trae]

Lebron got his ass handed to him for the 2nd year out of 3 out west

And this guys got Kobe on his mind

Losing it...

Size and clearly defense

[ImKobe]

Yeah Kobe never had series‘ like this :lol

Book is playing with a broken nose and face mask too lol


https://youtu.be/l4G-0rAP2H0

Kobe got better with the mask.

Wade broke his nose in the ASG, and Kobe beat the Heatles' ass when they met soon after.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/6Bw_MtjdKBE0qn67w1USMvJ_3yNEuqtzlIn8zWYkUxM32jy8QO IlYnrjAsV5wdn7QBTXwg4QBSvVWCOOcVMtB1SJcEw2NP1J-9n8jeo

[ArbitraryWater]

OP by far the smartest poster on here and it‘s not even close.

[warriorfan]

This thread is a bit refreshing. At first I thought Op suffered a serious head injury lately or something. Turns out he was always retarded.

[tontoz]

Beal is not remotely comparable to Kobe or even Booker. He really isn't a difference maker in terms of actually winning games, just good at putting up stats and getting paid.

[SouBeachTalents]

I’ll give you Booker for now since he’s scoring like a god, but Bradley Beal? Nah :lol You can’t actually believe that. That’s a 3ball/tpols take.

[ArbitraryWater]

I’ll give you Booker for now since he’s scoring like a god, but Bradley Beal? Nah :lol You can’t actually believe that. That’s a 3ball/tpols take.

Beal wouldn‘t have the run Book is having right now, but basically questions like these reveal which people can critically think and which can‘t.


No one made much of a difference between Beal and Booker in 2021. In fact Beal was regarded as better by many.

The only difference is their situation.

Some can believe. Others need to „see it to believe it“. Sure, agreeing with Booker is easy now. Its undeniable.

But what difference is there in the games of Beal and Booker? Not much. Just like there isn‘t much for Kobe.

Beal could be plugged into these Phoenix teams and have similar results and Booker would be on Washington and you, SouBeachTalents, would be sitting here saying „sure I give you Beal, but Booker? :lol“


Some people have it. Others dont.


I have it. I have the foresight and the boldness to say it.

[ArbitraryWater]

Beal is not remotely comparable to Kobe or even Booker. He really isn't a difference maker in terms of actually winning games, just good at putting up stats and getting paid.

And you‘d be saying the same for Booker if the 2 switched teams.



IQ is an interesting thing.

[Real Men Wear Green]

OP by far the smartest poster on here and it‘s not even close.

Well no other poster would bump this thread after making it. That isn't a good thing but it is unique.

[SouBeachTalents]

Beal wouldn‘t have the run Book is having right now, but basically questions like these reveal which people can critically think and which can‘t.


No one made much of a difference between Beal and Booker in 2021. In fact Beal was regarded as better by many.

The only difference is their situation.

Some can believe. Others need to „see it to believe it“. Sure, agreeing with Booker is easy now. Its undeniable.

But what difference is there in the games of Beal and Booker? Not much. Just like there isn‘t much for Kobe.

Beal could be plugged into these Phoenix teams and have similar results and Booker would be on Washington and you, SouBeachTalents, would be sitting here saying „sure I give you Beal, but Booker? :lol“


Some people have it. Others dont.


I have it. I have the foresight and the boldness to say it.
I'll give you credit, you made a bold statement about Booker that you can actually back up right now. But I repeat, Bradley Beal is not even in the vicinity of Kobe. You'd be basing that solely off the fact he scored 30 ppg a couple of times on losing teams. The man is in the heart of his prime and has recorded 5 losing seasons in a row, you can't possibly believe prime Kobe isn't doing better than that :lol

And yeah, I wouldn't have really given much thought to a Booker/Beal comparison 2 years ago, but even by Bookers first playoff series he already played better than Beal ever did in the playoffs. Now? The comparison is laughable.

You can boast about your Booker call, but you were dead wrong about Beal.

[tontoz]

And you‘d be saying the same for Booker if the 2 switched teams.



IQ is an interesting thing.

:roll:

If ignorance is bliss you.must be a happy guy.

Booker was dropping 22 ppg in his second season at age 20.

Beal didn't even average over 18 ppg until year 5 :oldlol: in spite of playing big minutes from day 1 on bad teams that fed him as many touches as he could handle. The last two years he's averaged 23 ppg in what is supposed to be his prime.

Wizards fans were overwhelmingly against resigning Beal. There is a reason for that.

His defense is lackadaisical most of the time, embarrassingly so at times. When he missed the all Star game one year, which is the norm for him, and the next few weeks were the Beal revenge tour. He would just ignore his teammates and the play calls to chuck away as if that would show the coaches made a mistake not picking him. In reality it showed they made the right decision.

[red1]

defense size athleticism ability to make tough shots competitive nature. he had a full SEASON where he put up 35 ppg.



prime kobe would easily be the best guard in the league right now and you would laugh at that comparison. especially beal.

that's why




kobe was an elite man defender and had the willpower to drop 35 for a season



that puts him clearly above booker. we wont even touch a comparison to any other guard in the league.



booker might come close to the scoring but he isnt the best man defender in the league. thats what kobe was.

[red1]

if you saw that 06 scoring streak that kobe was on - guaranteed that you'd be a fan OP


thats where all the kobe fanboys came from



that godly 06 scoring streak was the greatest show in sports

[MrFonzworth]

OP got his shit pushed in at school and consulted ISH for help because he has no friends irl:roll:

Truth hurts

[tontoz]

I've always thought Kobe was overrated and used to get in arguments about it all the time. People here used to compare him to Jordan and later LeBron but fortunately that nonsense has died down.

But comparing Kobe to Booker and especially Beal is just trolling.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'll give you credit, you made a bold statement about Booker that you can actually back up right now. But I repeat, Bradley Beal is not even in the vicinity of Kobe. You'd be basing that solely off the fact he scored 30 ppg a couple of times on losing teams. The man is in the heart of his prime and has recorded 5 losing seasons in a row, you can't possibly believe prime Kobe isn't doing better than that :lol

And yeah, I wouldn't have really given much thought to a Booker/Beal comparison 2 years ago, but even by Bookers first playoff series he already played better than Beal ever did in the playoffs. Now? The comparison is laughable.

You can boast about your Booker call, but you were dead wrong about Beal.

2 years ago Beal had a better scoring season than Kobe ever had. And its not even close. The last 2 years hes been injured and in and out the ineup.

Hes still that same payer. If he was healthy which he will be again, on a better squad, he would be doing more Kobe-ish things.

Same for laVine by the way.

There just isnt much more that Kobe gives a team than what those guys do.

[ArbitraryWater]

I've always thought Kobe was overrated and used to get in arguments about it all the time. People here used to compare him to Jordan and later LeBron but fortunately that nonsense has died down.

But comparing Kobe to Booker and especially Beal is just trolling.

Booker is having the GOAT scoring run and this dumbass thinks comparing him to Kobe is trolling :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

that's why




kobe was an elite man defender and had the willpower to drop 35 for a season



that puts him clearly above booker. we wont even touch a comparison to any other guard in the league.



booker might come close to the scoring but he isnt the best man defender in the league. thats what kobe was.
Bro c'mon, no he was not :lol

[WhiteKyrie]

OP got his shit pushed in at school and consulted ISH for help because he has no friends irl:roll:

He snitched too, IIRC

[warriorfan]

He snitched too, IIRC

and he went to the nurses office to get an ice pack

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lol_idi_amin.gif

[red1]

Bro c'mon, no he was not :lol

the gap between kobe and booker and beal's defense is so big that compared to them he is practically the best defender in the league


kobe was an elite perimeter defender and booker and beal are not

[SouBeachTalents]

2 years ago Beal had a better scoring season than Kobe ever had. And its not even close. The last 2 years hes been injured and in and out the ineup.

Hes still that same payer. If he was healthy which he will be again, on a better squad, he would be doing more Kobe-ish things.

Same for laVine by the way.

There just isnt much more that Kobe gives a team than what those guys do.
What are you basing the bolded off of, efficiency? I'm way too lazy to do the research, but I bet Kobe's efficiency in '03/'06/'07 relative to era was at worst comparable to Beal's.

And as ridiculous as Beal is, Zach LaVine is straight up 3ball level shit posting. I'd like to see you construct an argument where LaVine is comparable to Kobe.

I think Kobe is one of the most overrated players in league history, but you legitimately don't even seem to think he was an ATG.

[ArbitraryWater]

the gap between kobe and booker and beal's defense is so big that compared to them he is practically the best defender in the league


kobe was an elite perimeter defender and booker and beal are not


kobe notoriousy stopped giving af on defense after 02 or so

Phil Jackson said so himself

by 2010 he was absolutey maiing it in

his 2013 defense is probably the worst perimeter defense in history

[tontoz]

Booker is having the GOAT scoring run and this dumbass things comparing him to Kobe is trolling :oldlol:


You made this thread in 2021 dumbass :oldlol:

And booker's scoring run, while epic no doubt, is 9 games long. Two words: sample size

It was a lot tougher to score in Kobe's era. He has two scoring titles averaging 31+ and 5 playoff runs averaging 30+.

I always found him hard to watch at times because he forced up so many long, contested jumpers. However his career TS is only slightly worse than booker's in a much tougher era on much higher volume.

I think you have a drinking problem.







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[WhiteKyrie]

This post should make OP banned for “basketball reasons”

[imdaman99]

OP with too much free time. Find better hobbies than trolling on the internet

[GoSpursGo1984]

Op clearly a boxscore watcher.

OP clearly a virgin

[SouBeachTalents]

OP, you still feel this way after they ironically became teammates not too long after you last bumped this thread.

[3ba11]

More skilled than both, and FAR more athletic = much better

[ImKobe]

Damn Suns had two Kobes + KD on their team and lost in the 1st round and then didn't even make the Playoffs. Sucks to suck, OP.

[1987_Lakers]

Damn Suns had two Kobes + KD on their team and lost in the 1st round and then didn't even make the Playoffs. Sucks to suck, OP.

Two Kobe's on a roster is a disaster waiting to happen.

Can't imagine all the one on one play and chucking.

[GOBB]

Hahahahahahaa hilarious. Some people just can’t help themselves

[ArbitraryWater]

OP, you still feel this way after they ironically became teammates not too long after you last bumped this thread.

Beal is not the same anymore.


But im having a hard time seperating anything worthwhile between Kobe and Booker.

Kobe is just hard to rank. Media hype and fortunate circumstances have created a skewed picture.

[ArbitraryWater]

Tired of old ass fans thinking players are untouchable because they saw a player when they were 10 years old.

:oldlol:

this is so on point.

Funny thread actually.

So much outrage, very little substance. All goes back to "more skill" and "harder era, adjust TS".

[LAL]

Beal is not the same anymore.


But im having a hard time seperating anything worthwhile between Kobe and Booker.

Kobe is just hard to rank. Media hype and fortunate circumstances have created a skewed picture.

My gandmother used to say 'doubling down with his pants down'

Do you know what that means

[GOBB]

I get pure enjoyment watching someone die on a hill.

[highwhey]

Beal is not the same anymore.


But im having a hard time seperating anything worthwhile between Kobe and Booker.

Kobe is just hard to rank. Media hype and fortunate circumstances have created a skewed picture.

can you make a new thread

"what makes kobe and shaq different than booker and jokic"

thanks

[KobeLookLike2Pac]

If you put Devin Booker, Bradley Beal. SGA, Dwayne Wade, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Kyrie Irving and Jayson Tatum together they still wouldn't have more scoring titles, All NBA first team and All NBA Defensive teams COMBINED as one Kobe Bean Bryant

[1987_Lakers]

I'm not even a big Kobe fan and feel he gets overrated by casuals, but comparing Beal to Kobe is just silly.

Beal put up those crazy offensive numbers on bad teams when it was easier to score.

Peak Kobe was scoring like 35% of his team's points, Beal & Booker never reached those levels.

[ralph_i_el]

The thing that separates Kobe from Booker is strength and toughness.

The thing that separates Kobe from Beal is size, footwork, and IQ.

This post could only have been made as a troll, or having not watched Kobe. He was a demon. He had levels he could go to that these guys couldn't