Is luka better than bron at the same age?

[Bronbron23]

Luka has way more skill offensively than bron but Bron athleticism was way better than Luka's. Bron was also a way better defender. Luka is probably smarter. He's already learned to take advantage of his size and takes smaller players in the post. Bron has only started doing that recently.

Who you got?

[mehyaM24]

close call. bron had better athleticism & driving ability, but luka has better feel. a better outside shot as well. i'd probably go with luka.

[Manny98]

LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure

[tpols]

Luka might be better than anybody ever at his age. This Mavs team is a lotto level team without him QB'ing everything.

[tpols]

LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure

Lukas productions blow LeBron away in that series. He beat an old faded piston team and got swept right after while shooting like 30% from the field. This Clipper team is way better than that old piston team.

[Gohan]

LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure

Bs boobie Gibson balled out that series. Maybe on paper but how they actually played I’m calling bs

[Axe]

He may need to win a playoff series first.

[Bronbron23]

LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure

I don't know if luka could or not. Luka is in the tougher division at the moment and he's doing very well. If bron was in the tougher division in 07 he clearly dosn't make the finals and depending on his record and playoff seeding maybe dosn't get out of first round

[Gohan]

I don't know if luka could or not. Luka is in the tougher division at the moment and he's doing very well. If bron was in the tougher division in 07 he clearly dosn't make the finals and depending on his record and playoff seeding maybe dosn't get out of first round
Diff nba though tougher defense when lebron played

[jayfan]

LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure

That Piston team wasn't the 04, 05 team. They won a lot of regular season games, but they weren't as good. Ben was gone. Larry Brown was gone. The stifling defense was gone.

Not trying to diminish Lebron's accomplishment in that series. His game 5 performance was truly extraordinary. Just saying, it wasn't the '04 team he was playing.


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[FultzNationRISE]

No.

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Mods, lock it up.

[Shooter]

LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure

[jmcwilliams]

He clearly is Not ATHLETIC! Just A slow lumbering white guy who somehow manages to get 29 points in the first half. It's due to his brain power alone though. Weak AZZ whiteboy with his big brain. he should probably Be A coach or A manager or something more fitting to his big brain and unathletic body.

[kenneth_griffin]

luka is like a mixture of nash, kobe, lebron, bird, tony parker, Jason kidd and other guys offensively. hes infinitely more advanced than lebron at this age

I dont think lebron learned how to post a guy up till 2012. or shoot a three till like 2013

and if luka can win a title before getting another legendary sidekick he will be ahead of his progress in that department as well

[72-10]

what's up kenneth griffin we haven't heard from you in a while is this the same kenneth griffin who posted before

[NBASTATMAN]

Luka is a bit better than Lebron offensively and Lebron better defensively at similar age.. CONSIDER THAT LUKA IS ALREADY TAKING MJ CLONE KAWHI TO SCHOOL...


LEBRONS HEIRS will be much better than MJ's Heirs.. ALready true

[HoopsNY]

Luka might be better than anybody ever at his age. This Mavs team is a lotto level team without him QB'ing everything.

Overrating Luka a bit here. Better than MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan? The Bucks were a lottery team without Kareem (won 27 games). Became a 56 win team his first season.

[HoopsNY]

LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure

Luka has been lighting it up against PG, Kawhi, and co. What makes you think someone like Rip Hamilton would be able to stop him?

[Lebron23]

Lebron is better.

[kenneth_griffin]

what's up kenneth griffin we haven't heard from you in a while is this the same kenneth griffin who posted before


https://youtu.be/cdX5UDgQ8x0

[Bronbron23]

Diff nba though tougher defense when lebron played

True good point

[NBASTATMAN]

Lebron put up similar numbers with no spacing .. Imagine what he does with this spacing.. I mean I love LUKA but Bradley Beal is putting up Kobe numbers.. He isnt on Kobes level.. SORRY

[Bronbron23]

Luka has been lighting it up against PG, Kawhi, and co. What makes you think someone like Rip Hamilton would be able to stop him?

In his defense it was definitely a much harder era. Luka like everyone who's ball dominating on the perimeter today enjoys the rules that makes it near impossible to defend anyone

[mehyaM24]

Lebron put up similar numbers with no spacing .. Imagine what he does with this spacing.. I mean I love LUKA but Bradley Beal is putting up Kobe numbers.. He isnt on Kobes level.. SORRY

that's an extreme example. luka has savant basketball iq & a great feel aka change of pace. clearly a better shooter too. you don't need numbers to tell you that. same with bradley beal who kobe was a lot more skilled than.

[NBASTATMAN]

that's an extreme example. luka has savant basketball iq & a great feel aka change of pace. clearly a better shooter too. you don't need numbers to tell you that. same with bradley beal who kobe was a lot more skilled than.

Lebron has SAvant iq at an early age as well. Matter of fact I would say even higher than Luka's considering he did it without PRO experience coming into the NBA..

LUKA going to be a top all time player .. Tough to say who was clearly better as LUKA is really bad defensively but offensively I will say he is a bit better than Bron at 22..

[Axe]

No.

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Mods, lock it up.
Nani? Wtf happened to retirement?? :rant

[Manny98]

Luka has been lighting it up against PG, Kawhi, and co. What makes you think someone like Rip Hamilton would be able to stop him?
Because he would get doubled like crazy

No 5 out with Porzingis spacing the floor, no Hardaway and Brunson to share the burden

Tougher rules make it harder to score back then, 07 LeBron is averaging 40 on these Clippers, especially with shooters all around him

[Thenameless]

Luka might be better than anybody ever at his age. This Mavs team is a lotto level team without him QB'ing everything.

Magic Johnson was 20 years old when he won his first championship and won Finals MVP. Kareem Abdul Jabbar got hurt during the Finals, so Magic had to really carry the load against a very good 76ers team. That's the best I've ever seen a really young NBA player play in a high pressure situation.

[dankok8]

Luka isn't better than prime Lebron but he may well be better than Lebron at the same age which is 2007. Luka just put up 35.7/7.9/10.3 in this series albeit on league average efficiency and 4.6 topg but that's still crazy impressive. He faced the brunt of that Clippers defense. Bron for all his greatness only put up like 26/7/7 when he beat the Pistons and then completely struggled against the Spurs. Even with the advantages of this era, that's still a huge statistical edge for Luka.

[Micku]

I dunno. Luka seems more skilled except for the FTs on the offensive end. Lebron a bit better on defense, but not that much at that age.

As someone said, the nba was better defensively when LeBron was 22. And not as much shooting and offensive freedom. But Luka got some moves that LeBron didn't have and better footwork, but LeBron was the better driver and athleticism.

Ppl saying Luka got to win a playoff series, eh. While it is true, they played in different conference and different eras. There's no guarantee that a 22 LeBron would beat this Clippers team with the Mavs roster and who knows how far Luka would take that Cavs team. He could get out in the first round or not. And who knows how good/bad the stats will be.

I would say Luka is, but it's tough. Luka got some crazy skills at his age.

[HoopsNY]

In his defense it was definitely a much harder era. Luka like everyone who's ball dominating on the perimeter today enjoys the rules that makes it near impossible to defend anyone

Luka doesn't live on the perimeter though. He's a 33% career three point shooter. This doesn't mean he would be dropping 35-40+ a night in the playoffs as he did in this first round against LAC. But Luka would still be dropping buckets in any era, including the mid 2000s.

[HoopsNY]

Because he would get doubled like crazy

No 5 out with Porzingis spacing the floor, no Hardaway and Brunson to share the burden

Tougher rules make it harder to score back then, 07 LeBron is averaging 40 on these Clippers, especially with shooters all around him

Have you watched Luka? He is consistently doubled. The availability of Hardaway and KP only makes sense where his assists numbers go. But Luka drops buckets on double teams as well.

[HoopsNY]

Luka isn't better than prime Lebron but he may well be better than Lebron at the same age which is 2007. Luka just put up 35.7/7.9/10.3 in this series albeit on league average efficiency and 4.6 topg but that's still crazy impressive. He faced the brunt of that Clippers defense. Bron for all his greatness only put up like 26/7/7 when he beat the Pistons and then completely struggled against the Spurs. Even with the advantages of this era, that's still a huge statistical edge for Luka.

That is a good point. I think it would be close. Luka is a generational talent. If he can put up such numbers against PG/Kawhi and co, then certainly he'd put up LeBron like numbers in 2007.

[mehyaM24]

That is a good point. I think it would be close. Luka is a generational talent. If he can put up such numbers against PG/Kawhi and co, then certainly he'd put up LeBron like numbers in 2007.

not really buying the "era" argument either. defenses were tougher, sure, but these are the playoffs. which means refs let more shit go. today kawhi & pg are the so-called BEST perimeter defenders, yet luka gave em the business. compared to 07, lebron would average better numbers now. but unless he morphed into a 3pt marksman, i doubt he'd have a better series than luka.

lebron was limited back then. and nowhere close to being efficient like he was iater on his career. dude shot 41 percent in the 07 & 08 playoffs.

[StrongLurk]

Yes I think Luka is a little better than Lebron at the same age. It's a way different league though so it's hard to compare honestly.

[Bronbron23]

Luka doesn't live on the perimeter though. He's a 33% career three point shooter. This doesn't mean he would be dropping 35-40+ a night in the playoffs as he did in this first round against LAC. But Luka would still be dropping buckets in any era, including the mid 2000s.

Playing on the perimeter isn't just threes. And of course he'd still be sick with it but he wouldn't be doing what he's doing now. It's not arguable that this is the weakest era ever. He'd be impacted by tougher era's like anyone would be

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Could see an argument either way, LeBron at same age played in tougher era and that Pistons team was as good if not better than the Clippers as a team, Clippers more talented but those Pistons teams notoriously had great chemistry and resilience which the Clippers have lacked in the last two years (yes they came back from 2-0, it never should have got there)

Game today is just so different from what it used to be that straight numbers comparisons will always be tough even when trying to adjust, a lot of Luka's strengths were much harder to do (or were discouraged) back then, but Doncic also has an edge as a shooter (not saying much, it's LeBrick :roll:) and I'd argue playmaker as well. LeBron better inside, defense, and better conditioned

[jayfan]

LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure


LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure


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[Mr.GOAT2408]

:wtf:

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[Bronbron23]

Could see an argument either way, LeBron at same age played in tougher era and that Pistons team was as good if not better than the Clippers as a team, Clippers more talented but those Pistons teams notoriously had great chemistry and resilience which the Clippers have lacked in the last two years (yes they came back from 2-0, it never should have got there)

Game today is just so different from what it used to be that straight numbers comparisons will always be tough even when trying to adjust, a lot of Luka's strengths were much harder to do (or were discouraged) back then, but Doncic also has an edge as a shooter (not saying much, it's LeBrick :roll:) and I'd argue playmaker as well. LeBron better inside, defense, and better conditioned

Good post

[HoopsNY]

LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure


LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure

Just noticed this too. It's funny how LeBron alts dedicate their pathetic teenage years to this forum.

[kawhileonard2]

Yes Luka was making the playoffs. Lebron didn't make the playoffs.

[ImKobe]

Could see an argument either way, LeBron at same age played in tougher era and that Pistons team was as good if not better than the Clippers as a team, Clippers more talented but those Pistons teams notoriously had great chemistry and resilience which the Clippers have lacked in the last two years (yes they came back from 2-0, it never should have got there)

Game today is just so different from what it used to be that straight numbers comparisons will always be tough even when trying to adjust, a lot of Luka's strengths were much harder to do (or were discouraged) back then, but Doncic also has an edge as a shooter (not saying much, it's LeBrick :roll:) and I'd argue playmaker as well. LeBron better inside, defense, and better conditioned

How? Prime Kawhi + PG + Rondo + Batum + Reggie shits on the Pistons' squad. C-Webb was washed and Sheed was in the decline as well, they didn't have a superstar to match Lebron's production.

Yeah the numbers are different, but I'll take the team with a top 30 ATG in his prime + another All-NBA level player in George and Playoff Rondo.

[Pip' N Rodman]

How? Prime Kawhi + PG + Rondo + Batum + Reggie shits on the Pistons' squad. C-Webb was washed and Sheed was in the decline as well, they didn't have a superstar to match Lebron's production.

Yeah the numbers are different, but I'll take the team with a top 30 ATG in his prime + another All-NBA level player in George and Playoff Rondo.

LeBron destroyed the Pistons team that locked down Kobe in the Finals

[Stanley Kobrick]

Luka was better than 99% at his age, including Jordan at the same age. about even with Lebron, but they were both playing with pros since 18. shaq, lebron, luka are the only true phenoms weve seen in 50 years. Zion would be there if not for injuries rookie season

[90sgoat]

LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure

Luka matches up perfectly with that Pistons team.

They were good on the inside, they would be vulnerable to step backs.

[Stanley Kobrick]

Luka matches up perfectly with that Pistons team.

They were good on the inside, they would be vulnerable to step backs.
Tashaun and Chauncey were lock down, high IQ defenders. that whole pistons team 1-7 clamped.

[90sgoat]

Tashaun and Chauncey were lock down, high IQ defenders. that whole pistons team 1-7 clamped.

Chauncey was like 6 feet, he would stand no chance.

Tayshaun was a good help defender, but way too skinny to stop Luka.

[jayfan]

Tashaun and Chauncey were lock down, high IQ defenders. that whole pistons team 1-7 clamped.


Again, they weren't 'clamping' in 2007. Their clamping days ended when Larry Brown left after '05. Saunders was a nice coach, but he didn't have the defensive tenacity. He switched them zone and they got soft. Ben wasn't digging it, so he left after '06.


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[RogueBorg]

LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure

Using you loser LeBronstans reasoning, since LeBron didn't make the playoffs his first two years Luka is obviously better at this point/age.

[RogueBorg]

LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure

Luka made the playoffs his first two years in, did LeBron?

[Stanley Kobrick]

Again, they weren't 'clamping' in 2007. Their clamping days ended when Larry Brown left after '05. Saunders was a nice coach, but he didn't have the defensive tenacity. He switched them zone and they got soft. Ben wasn't digging it, so he left after '06.

#1 defensive team in 2007, #2 in defensive points allowed (91ppg)

[jayfan]

#1 defensive team in 2007, #2 in defensive points allowed (91ppg)

Pistons, Playoffs, regulation points allowed:

2004- 78.56
2005- 84.96
2006- 88.50
2007- 87.30


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[TheMan]

LeBron took the worst team ever to the finals at 22

If you think 22 year old Luka can take that garbage team he had past the Pistons in 07 in place of LeBron then sure

Historically bad conference.

Bran wouldn't get that team out of the second round, much less get to the Finals out west.

Exposed in the Finals by an actual good team = swept.

2 EZ.

[Stanley Kobrick]

Pistons, Playoffs, regulation points allowed:

2004- 78.56
2005- 84.96
2006- 88.50
2007- 87.30


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League avg

2004- 93.4
2005- 97.2
2006- 97.0
2007- 99.7


hand checking, rise in fg%, run-n-gun inclusion

[Stanley Kobrick]

Historically bad conference.

Bran wouldn't get that team out of the second round, much less get to the Finals out west.

Exposed in the Finals by an actual good team = swept.

2 EZ.
Bran would never win a ring out west, much less get to the Finals out west. He's too coward to go out West