Luka is everything wrong about current basketball while Jokic is everything good

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Luka

- holds the ball for 20 seconds per possession
- teammates relegated to spotup duties
- teammates stripped of abilities past 3 pt shooting
- relies on streaky hot shooting
- Shaq level FT shooting this series
- plays 0 defense
- epitome of stat nerd Moreyball

Jokic

- amazing off ball
- great shooter from everywhere, 3, mid range, FT
- amazing passer without holding the ball the whole possession
- incredible intangibles, clutch, screening, on court coaching etc.
- teammates thrive and play their full games due to his skillset
- underrated defender
- epitome of fundamental skills

Luka - Bran ball
Jokic - Bird ball

that's why Jokic is 1-0 against the Clips while Luka is 0-2 and unable to get out of the 1st round

thoughts?

[ArbitraryWater]

thoughts?

Bball fans are the dumbest in all of sports for sure

[Shooter]

Bball fans like Hamtaro are the dumbest in all of sports for sure

[tpols]

It doesn't matter when your next best player is Tim Hardaway Jr. Nobody wins championships with players who have never made a single All Star game. Or if there has its 1% of the time.

[3ball]

Luka

- holds the ball for 20 seconds per possession
- teammates relegated to spotup duties
- teammates stripped of abilities past 3 pt shooting
- relies on streaky hot shooting
- Shaq level FT shooting this series
- plays 0 defense
- epitome of stat nerd Moreyball

Jokic

- amazing off ball
- great shooter from everywhere, 3, mid range, FT
- amazing passer without holding the ball the whole possession
- incredible intangibles, clutch, screening, on court coaching etc.
- teammates thrive and play their full games due to his skillset
- underrated defender
- epitome of fundamental skills

Luka - Bran ball
Jokic - Bird ball

that's why Jokic is 1-0 against the Clips while Luka is 0-2 and unable to get out of the 1st round

thoughts?


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His skillset is inferior to Jokic, but both have goat talent as tall shooter-passers, which is rare (or tall scorer-passers) - Larry Bird also had goat talent in this way, but had the superior skills like Jokic

[FKAri]

Who's Jokic's best teammate? Who is Luka's?

/thread

[BigShotBob]

Honestly you can't tell me Jokic has a better cast when he has to rely on MPJ and Campazzo to do most of the damage outside of himself.

[NBASTATMAN]

Who's Jokic's best teammate? Who is Luka's?

/thread

LET THEM KNOW.. JOKIC is a great player .. But Lebron runs laps around him.. Imagine what he would have done to BIRD.. LOL.. Luka is the NEXT UP.... He needs another player that is all..

[mehyaM24]

i don't agree with your analysis of luka. he's already a way better shooter than lebron was at this age. despite what idiots think, they're not that comparable.

but everything you said about joker is on the money.

[Shooter]

Honestly you can't tell me Jokic has a better cast when he has to rely on MPJ and Campazzo to do most of the damage outside of himself.

You're a certified retard if you think Luka has more help than Jokic.

Like I will legit mail you a certificate of retardation.

[FultzNationRISE]

Luka

- holds the ball for 20 seconds per possession
- teammates relegated to spotup duties
- teammates stripped of abilities past 3 pt shooting
- relies on streaky hot shooting
- Shaq level FT shooting this series
- plays 0 defense
- epitome of stat nerd Moreyball


Theyre not relegated to it, it’s the only thing they are and theyre not even good at it.

This is not an MJ and Orlando Woolridge situation. Doncic doesnt have a second option. Nobody could beat the Clippers with this cast, except LeElevate.

[90sgoat]

Luka will learn to take a step back eventually.

[Spain_]

It doesn't matter when your next best player is Tim Hardaway Jr. Nobody wins championships with players who have never made a single All Star game. Or if there has its 1% of the time.

In a couple of years THJ is going to be the 7th man on some 500 and we will collectively cringe looking back at these Mavs teams.
I can't believe Burke got game 7 minutes in 2021 jfc

[FKAri]

Honestly you can't tell me Jokic has a better cast when he has to rely on MPJ and Campazzo to do most of the damage outside of himself.

It's not even a debate. Jokic has a better team.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

It doesn't matter when your next best player is Tim Hardaway Jr. Nobody wins championships with players who have never made a single All Star game. Or if there has its 1% of the time.

Tim Hardaway Jr has done just as much in the league as Jamal Murray.

Neither has had an all star teammate yet.

If Jokic makes it to the WCF again without Jamal, there's no more excuses left.

[FultzNationRISE]

Tim Hardaway Jr has done just as much in the league as Jamal Murray.

Neither has had an all star teammate yet.

If Jokic makes it to the WCF again without Jamal, there's no more excuses left.


Bro.

Stop.

[Chuckbe]

LET THEM KNOW.. JOKIC is a great player .. But Lebron runs laps around him.. Imagine what he would have done to BIRD.. LOL.. Luka is the NEXT UP.... He needs another player that is all..

I know you're a retard but explain this

[tpols]

LET THEM KNOW.. JOKIC is a great player .. But Lebron runs laps around him.. Imagine what he would have done to BIRD.. LOL.. Luka is the NEXT UP.... He needs another player that is all..

:oldlol:

You misspelled Anthony Davis.

[Chuckbe]

It's not even a debate. Jokic has a better team.

The current team with injuries or without?

[90sgoat]

In a couple of years THJ is going to be the 7th man on some 500 and we will collectively cringe looking back at these Mavs teams.
I can't believe Burke got game 7 minutes in 2021 jfc

Agreed, all these Mavs players will be scrubs on the bench in a few years.

I'm almost convinced that DFS and Kleber will not be NBA players in 5 years.

[tpols]

In a couple of years THJ is going to be the 7th man on some 500 and we will collectively cringe looking back at these Mavs teams.
I can't believe Burke got game 7 minutes in 2021 jfc

I watched him on the Knicks and he's a cool role player but the Clippers have two guys who have finished top 5 MVP voting. You don't beat that with Tim Hardaway Jr.

[Akeem34TheDream]

Jokic is a better player than Doncic. A lot more reliable.

[FultzNationRISE]

It’s fine having Jokic over Luka, considering theyre pretty much the same guy with a 5 inch height difference.

But the logic that being inferior to Jokic is some kind of knock...?? Doesnt even make sense.

[Spain_]

Luka will learn to take a step back eventually.

Luka wasn't like this when he played in a stacked team in Madrid.
This is a tendency he developed when placed next to Dennis Smith junior lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Exactly. You can tell Porzingis hates Luka, he always freezes him out.

[tpols]

It’s fine having Jokic over Luka, considering theyre pretty much the same guy with a 5 inch height difference.

But the logic that being inferior to Jokic is some kind of knock...?? Doesnt even make sense.

Yup. Jokic is a 7 foot Larry Bird so if luka doesnt match that who cares. Nuggets are also better outside jokic though, Porter Jr. And Gordon are > anybody on the mavericks.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Bro.

Stop.

hardaway JR played like an allstar this series and he has the genetics. I don't see how he's that much worse then Murray at this point in their careers.

[Spain_]

It’s fine having Jokic over Luka, considering theyre pretty much the same guy with a 5 inch height difference.

But the logic that being inferior to Jokic is some kind of knock...?? Doesnt even make sense.

RN Jokic is better than Luka no doubt lol.
But Jokic is an absolute beast almost everyone is below him, the only people that are on the same tier as him are KD, Giannis and Joel

[beasted]

It doesn't matter when your next best player is Tim Hardaway Jr. Nobody wins championships with players who have never made a single All Star game. Or if there has its 1% of the time.

This!

And also this:

tim cato (@tim_cato) Tweeted:

just two of the 10 Mavericks who have played in this game were acquired after January 2019: Boban Marjanovic and Josh Richardson. Dallas hasn't meaningfully improved the roster around Luka Doncic in 2.5 years. https://twitter.com/tim_cato/status/1401659649074483200?s=20

[mehyaM24]

^for luka's sake, hopefully he doesn't face what dirk did. for a large chunk of his prime, dirk was also surrounded with crap.

[FultzNationRISE]

RN Jokic is better than Luka no doubt lol.
But Jokic is an absolute beast almost everyone is below him, the only people that are on the same tier as him are KD, Giannis and Joel

:biggums:

[Spain_]

RN Jokic is better than Luka no doubt lol.
But Jokic is an absolute beast almost everyone is below him, the only people that are on the same tier as him are KD, Giannis and Joel

Jokic runs the offense from centre while holding ball very little that's insane value and impact, it completely alters how the game is played.
He is also a killer iso scorer but can also shoot off ball on an elite level

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Bro.

Stop.

How many All NBA or AS selections does Jamal Murray have?

Murray from 2018-2021

18/4/4 on 45/37/88

THJ from 2018-2021

17/3/3 on 42/36/83

Jamal had Jokic the entire time and neither play good defense.

[Gohan]

hardaway JR played like an allstar this series and he has the genetics. I don't see how he's that much worse then Murray at this point in their careers.

They don’t want to hear that hardaway did well they used him as a spot up shooter cause luka dominates the ball so much now porkchop porzingis is the only one that should be ashamed of himself he was trash

[Chuckbe]

How many All NBA or AS selections does Jamal Murray have?

Murray from 2018-2021

18/4/4 on 45/37/88

THJ from 2018-2021

17/3/3 on 42/36/83

Jamal had Jokic the entire time and neither play good defense.

Bubble Murray doe

[90sgoat]

Luka wasn't like this when he played in a stacked team in Madrid.
This is a tendency he developed when placed next to Dennis Smith junior lol

They need to match him with a veteran former star.

Someone like CP3.

[FultzNationRISE]

They donÂ’t want to hear that hardaway did well they used him as a spot up shooter cause luka dominates the ball so much now porkchop porzingis is the only one that should be ashamed of himself he was trash

Hardaway played fine, he didnt underperform like Porzingis, but he’s still not an impact guy. THJ playing “fine” is not enough help for anyone to beat this Clippers team with.