Isnt the best way to measure GOATness looking at a players On/Off impact?

[Pip' N Rodman]

- How the team was before the player joined

- How the team was once the player joined

- How the team was once the player left

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Running an offense through one guy when there's 4 other guys that also need ball isn't GOATness

Applying scorched earth on any team you leave to ensure they're in a much worse spot without you isn't GOATness

It disqualifies you from top 10 talks if anything :no:

[Bronbron23]

- How the team was before the player joined

- How the team was once the player joined

- How the team was once the player left

No because most players through out history didn't jump ship like bron.

Not faulting him for it btw. He's free to go wherever he wants. This can't be the measurement however since most players didn't jump ship like him

[paksat]

lol @ making everyone spot up 3 point shooters, that'll sure get people warmed up and in the flow

[kawhileonard2]

Best way is to show how many titles they won for the franchise that drafted them.

[Pip' N Rodman]

No because most players through out history didn't jump ship like bron.

Not faulting him for it btw. He's free to go wherever he wants. This can't be the measurement however since most players didn't jump ship like him

Why are you talking about LeBron? Obsessed....

[TheCorporation]

- How the team was before the player joined

- How the team was once the player joined

- How the team was once the player left

Dey know

They're shook but dey know

[dankok8]

Unadjusted or raw plus-minus is a terrible stat quite frankly.

Adjusted plus-minus is good when you take into account teammates on the floor, opponents on the floor, exclude garbage time minutes etc. The problem then is you end up with a tiny sample size when adjusting for all these factors. Playoff sample sizes are tiny to begin with; around 20 games is nothing.

[3ball]

Unadjusted or raw plus-minus is a terrible stat quite frankly.

Adjusted plus-minus is good when you take into account teammates on the floor, opponents on the floor, exclude garbage time minutes etc. The problem then is you end up with a tiny sample size when adjusting for all these factors. Playoff sample sizes are tiny to begin with; around 20 games is nothing.


So basically rapm is garbage because of small sample size

Maybe it helps determine lineups that produce the most or a certain player that kills the team, but it's useless for player comparison

[ImKobe]

No AD, no chip.

[RogueBorg]

- How the team was before the player joined

- How the team was once the player joined

- How the team was once the player left

So you want to stick your head in the sand and forget the egg he laid in the 2011 Finals?
Are we to forget he missed the playoffs his 1st two years in the league and also in 2019 when playoff mode was activated?
Are we to forget he's been swept twice in the Finals?
Are we to forget his 6 Finals defeats?
Are we to forget he teamed up with 2 above Pippen level players and lost half of the Finals he played with them?
Should I keep going?

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TheCorporation Lakers_1987 Pip' n Rodman

[deathawaitu]

- How the team was before the player joined

- How the team was once the player joined

- How the team was once the player left

Laker before Lebron. Lottery

Laker with Lebron. Lottery

Laker with AD. Championship

Lebron family shooked

[Bronbron23]

Why are you talking about LeBron? Obsessed....

Whatever troll your a bron stan everyone knows who your referring to

[Spurs m8]

Imagine thinking things are as black and white as this.

Basketball IQ on this alt is about 15

[TheCorporation]

- How the team was before the player joined

- How the team was once the player joined

- How the team was once the player left

Is anyone going to answer OP? Or just dance around it like a shook fakkit? :lol

Dey

:hammertime:

Know

:hammertime:

[3ball]

Lebron had a negative net rating in the 13' Finals, thus invalidating his FMVP

[baudkarma]

Not really. These things never happen in a vacuum. Often when a superstar leaves a team, coaches and management will realize that their window of time to contend for a title has just slammed shut. The remaining talent is good enough to maybe have a .500 record and sneak into the playoffs, where they'll get spanked in the first round. Obviously that's the worst situation for a team to be in. If you can't be really good, be really bad. So the team cleans house. Vets are traded for draft picks or allowed to walk. The team brings in younger players, free agents, maybe a vet or two at the tail end of their career to provide experience and stability. So the team that takes the court for the first game of the following season looks nothing like that team that finished the previous season. The new team was designed to suck so that the organization can get a lottery pick and start rebuilding. And guess what... they usually do suck.

[Shooter]

- How the team was before the player joined

- How the team was once the player joined

- How the team was once the player left

Guys?

[Sarcastic]

No. On/off data is just correlations.

Correlation does not equal causation.

[Airupthere]

This is how people digest and enjoy basketball nowadays? :facepalm

[kawhileonard2]

Best way is by gold medals and no bronze medals in basketball.

[DABIGSALSISHA]

- How the team was before the player joined

- How the team was once the player joined

- How the team was once the player left

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[TheCorporation]

- How the team was before the player joined

- How the team was once the player joined

- How the team was once the player left

Anybody?