why I haven't taken the vaccine and won't for at least 10 years

[kenneth_griffin]

https://i.ibb.co/q5PkJp1/Screenshot-20210607-194527-Gallery.jpg


this is my uncle. he was a medical doctor and helped develop vaccines for 30 years. he injected chimpanzees and killed thousands perfecting drugs to safely use on humans. he moved every 4 or 5 years because PETA would threaten him and his family. he said it takes up to 8 or 10 years to find out long term effects. for people my parents age they don't really have a choice. but for anyone under the age if 50 with no serious health issues it would actually be far more dangerous to take a new vaccine that hasn't gone through proper testing than it would be to catch covid and simply wait it through. for the short term you might be OK but a few years from now you might have kidney failure or some other problems. I think its like a 1 in 1400 chance of dying from covid. is that really worth signing up to be a lab rat

unless you're a heavy smoker or suffer from obesity/other major health issues or you're over the age of 50. do not take anything. not for at least 8 to 10 years. my uncles tossed out so many chimps in trash bags testing drugs for far less serious things than covid. so imagine how powerful this stuff must be.

[iamgine]

Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated now. If there's any side effects at all, whether short term or long term, would've been detected by now. And indeed we have detected plenty of side effects like nausea, fever, joint pain, etc in some people. One might be forgiven for thinking, "but it's only been a few months. What about side effects that would take years to show up?" Nope. With this many people vaccinated, there's nothing that will show up that hasn't already. These vaccines aren't mysterious substance, they're well researched and scientifically very sound.

[kenneth_griffin]

Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated now. If there's any side effects at all, whether short term or long term, would've been detected by now. And indeed we have detected plenty of side effects like nausea, fever, joint pain, etc in some people. One might be forgiven for thinking, "but it's only been a few months. What about side effects that would take years to show up?" Nope. With this many people vaccinated, there's nothing that will show up that hasn't already. These vaccines aren't mysterious substance, they're well researched and scientifically very sound.



except tons of people have had bad reactions and some even dying from it and every single time they're marking it down as natural causes while hospitals couldn't wait to mark down a car crash victim as covid related lol. sorry but it takes a minimum of 3 to 4 years to find long term effects and just to be safe they do a minimum of 8 years just to be safe for most drugs that get approved. most damaged organs can hang on for a few years before causing extreme pain and failure. I guess long term effects is just a made up thing lmao. its really just 2 to 3 month effects. and btw they're already banning some vaccines due to blood clots. it's already proven they didn't do enough testing. people are also having heart problems. have you ever seen those commercials where at the end they say "may lead to heart disease, possible stroke, seizure and 20 other things. do not take if you are or have and they list another 20 things... know how they find out all of these things? through many years of research. right now you are the research. have fun

[Manny98]

I won't take the vaccine... ever because i am a young healthy adult who rarely get's sick

[Axe]

Chip chip chip

[iamgine]

except tons of people have had bad reactions and some even dying from it and every single time they're marking it down as natural causes while hospitals couldn't wait to mark down a car crash victim as covid related lol. sorry but it takes a minimum of 3 to 4 years to find long term effects and just to be safe they do a minimum of 8 years just to be safe for most drugs that get approved. most damaged organs can hang on for a few years before causing extreme pain and failure. I guess long term effects is just a made up thing lmao. its really just 2 to 3 month effects. and btw they're already banning some vaccines due to blood clots. it's already proven they didn't do enough testing. people are also having heart problems. have you ever seen those commercials where at the end they say "may lead to heart disease, possible stroke, seizure and 20 other things. do not take if you are or have and they list another 20 things... know how they find out all of these things? through many years of research. right now you are the research. have fun
One might be forgiven for thinking, "but it's only been a few months. What about side effects that would take years to show up?" Nope. With this many people vaccinated, there's nothing that will show up that hasn't already. Would be different if the sample is only a few hundreds or a thousand.

[coin24]

Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated now. If there's any side effects at all, whether short term or long term, would've been detected by now. And indeed we have detected plenty of side effects like nausea, fever, joint pain, etc in some people. One might be forgiven for thinking, "but it's only been a few months. What about side effects that would take years to show up?" Nope. With this many people vaccinated, there's nothing that will show up that hasn't already. These vaccines aren't mysterious substance, they're well researched and scientifically very sound.

Err how do you get long term effects after only a few months. Are you stupid ?

[coin24]

One might be forgiven for thinking, "but it's only been a few months. What about side effects that would take years to show up?" Nope. With this many people vaccinated, there's nothing that will show up that hasn't already. Would be different if the sample is only a few hundreds or a thousand.


Based on what? Your cnn viewing:lol idiot

[iamgine]

It's counter intuitive I know.

[tpols]

Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated now. If there's any side effects at all, whether short term or long term, would've been detected by now. And indeed we have detected plenty of side effects like nausea, fever, joint pain, etc in some people. One might be forgiven for thinking, "but it's only been a few months. What about side effects that would take years to show up?" Nope. With this many people vaccinated, there's nothing that will show up that hasn't already. These vaccines aren't mysterious substance, they're well researched and scientifically very sound.

The vaccines just rolled out a few months ago and you know the long term? What?

That makes no sense.

[tpols]

Err how do you get long term effects after only a few months. Are you stupid ?

:roll:

What he's saying makes no sense. You could vaccinate 100 trillion people and would still have to wait years to see long term. I don't know how somebody could be so stupid to say what hes saying.

[iamgine]

:roll:

What he's saying makes no sense. You could vaccinate 100 trillion people and would still have to wait years to see long term. I don't know how somebody could be so stupid to say what hes saying.

I thought that before, cause that's what a laymen would think. But turns out it's not true. Any side effects would've been detected by now cause of the huge sample numbers.

[DoctorP]

The ingredients of the vaccine are negligible. This isn't a wonderdrug and seems safe

[diamenz]

so people wanna talk about the unstudied long term effects of the vaccine, but don't wanna mention that the long term effects of covid are unstudied as well. seems like a whole lotta bullshit to me.

i don't know how many times this has to get talked about here. i think a common sense approach to this is fairly simple. if you're old or vulnerable, get vaccinated. if you're young and healthy, then make your own decision on whether you want to roll the dice on either getting the vaccine or catching covid.

it's when you start pushing your beliefs on other people like you're all-knowing one way or the other is when you look like a f***ing clown.

[coin24]

It seems there have been a lot of side effects, but the msm isn’t reporting that now are they?
Just like they’re not reporting dr 2 masks lying on the stand and had his emails exposed

If this is the source also telling you it’s safe to inject god knows what into yourself, maybe it’s time to think twice?

[tpols]

I thought that before, cause that's what a laymen would think. But turns out it's not true. Any side effects would've been detected by now cause of the huge sample numbers.

Long term effects are defined as a year or multiple years later. There's nobody on earth that's had the vaccine that long. You arent even able to specify on what the exact reasoning is behind what you said.

[Rocket]

Apparently some people do not get the meaning of "long term" in regards to long term effects. These vaccines rolled out in December. There is not a single person in the world who has been vaccinated for even a year. Long term effects are just that meaning they manifest over time after a few years. Anyone who took the vaccine willingly submitted to being a long term trial test subject for a vaccine for a virus with a 99.8% recovery rate. :facepalm There are a LOT of stupid people in this world.

[kenneth_griffin]

so people wanna talk about the unstudied long term effects of the vaccine, but don't wanna mention that the long term effects of covid are unstudied as well. seems like a whole lotta bullshit to me.

i don't know how many times this has to get talked about here. i think a common sense approach to this is fairly simple. if you're old or vulnerable, get vaccinated. if you're young and healthy, then make your own decision on whether you want to roll the dice on either getting the vaccine or catching covid.

it's when you start pushing your beliefs on other people like you're all-knowing one way or the other is when you look like a f***ing clown.



the chances of catching covid are pretty slim. especially now. the chances of feeling the possible side effects of a drug in 4 or 5 years is 1 in 1 if you take the drug

I've been going out regularly for groceries and having friends over on the weekend since.covid began and I have yet to even catch a cold let alone see any signs of covid in me.

I like my chances because I wash my hands, don't touch my face and wear a mask when around new people. I also try to keep my inner circle of friends small and I'm never around kids either. in my situation there is no reason whatsoever to get the vaccine and risk my body

I'm not a smoker. I'm 37. an average weight. no health conditions. if I do somehow get covid then that's when I will start worrying about possible side effects years from now. I'm not gonna sign up for it

[Code Breaker]

Seems like iamgine ruffled some feathers this morning. :lol Of course this vaccine will have some side effects but nothing even close to widespread like some of these anti-fax people are telling people.

[Rocket]

the chances of catching covid are pretty slim. especially now. the chances of feeling the possible side effects of a drug in 4 or 5 years is 1 in 1 if you take the drug

I've been going out regularly for groceries and having friends over on the weekend since.covid began and I have yet to even catch a cold let alone see any signs of covid in me.

I like my chances because I wash my hands, don't touch my face and wear a mask when around new people. I also try to keep my inner circle of friends small and I'm never around kids either. in my situation there is no reason whatsoever to get the vaccine and risk my body

I'm not a smoker. I'm 37. an average weight. no health conditions. if I do somehow get covid then that's when I will start worrying about possible side effects years from now. I'm not gonna sign up for it

My wife and I have lived our lives normally since the "15 days to stop the spread" ended. We did wear mask for a while however we quit long before the mandate in our state ended. We do live in Texas where they did not lock down near as hard as the blue states so most businesses were open. I have been in hundreds of stores and restaurants maskless for several months now. So far I only had one store insist I wear a mask to enter so I politely declined and went to another store. My wife and daughter did catch the virus but neither got very sick. So far I have avoided it. I have never once been scared of a virus with a 99.8% recovery rate and I will NEVER get the "jab". I am 52 and in great health so I am not worried. Anyone who let all the the fear porn pushed so hard by the mainstream media rule their life is an idiot.

[bladefd]

Long term effects are defined as a year or multiple years later. There's nobody on earth that's had the vaccine that long. You arent even able to specify on what the exact reasoning is behind what you said.

As a year? Thousands of people took the vaccines in May/June of last year as part of the research studies to find out safety and efficacy. We have reached a year for those people. We will soon see how well the vaccines have fared in them over a year. The studies have been ongoing and they have been keeping a close eye on those patients regularly as part of the research. If lots of them were dying or getting serious side effects in mass by now, we would know.

[tpols]

As a year? Thousands of people took the vaccines in May/June of last year as part of the research studies to find out safety and efficacy. We have reached a year for those people. We will soon see how well the vaccines have fared in them over a year. The studies have been ongoing and they have been keeping a close eye on those patients regularly as part of the research. If lots of them were dying or getting serious side effects in mass by now, we would know.

You are one dumb asshole for championing this cause. Theyre going to get everything they want done because of idiots like you.

[kenneth_griffin]

If lots of them were dying or getting serious side effects in mass by now, we would know.


no.. because I've seen many celebrities drop dead since the vaccines were made available and a lot of them were 40/50/60 with no real.health issues and suddenly a week after their shot they died. and not one single time has there been an investigation or allegation. theyre shut down quickly. youre banned for even talking about stuff like that. it's censored and that scares me. don't trust a government that works with a country that has been proven to manufacture the very thing that they want us to get vaccinated for

[bladefd]

You are one dumb asshole for championing this cause. Theyre going to get everything they want done because of idiots like you.

You are too far down the rabbit hole to bother arguing with. Stay down there.

[bladefd]

no.. because I've seen many celebrities drop dead since the vaccines were made available and a lot of them were 40/50/60 with no real.health issues and suddenly a week after their shot they died. and not one single time has there been an investigation or allegation. theyre shut down quickly. youre banned for even talking about stuff like that. it's censored and that scares me. don't trust a government that works with a country that has been proven to manufacture the very thing that they want us to get vaccinated for

Which celebrities? And you sure they had the vaccines and dropped dead afterwards? Link me to these celebrities.

As for your last sentence, what evidence do you have that covid was manufactured and by the government. Who manufactured it?

[Charlie Sheen]

I won't take the vaccine... ever because i am a young healthy adult who rarely get's sick

I owe you an apology. The circumstances for the covid vaccine aren't the same as the nutjobs who are out there saying all vaccines cause autism.

[tpols]

I owe you an apology. The circumstances for the covid vaccine aren't the same as the nutjobs who are out there saying all vaccines cause autism.

Yup.

I never had a problem with getting vaccines my whole life for other things, but those vaccines were tested for many years and had legit deadly conditions behind them ~ meningitis, hepatitis, tetanus etc. Don't **** around with major brain, liver, and blood infections.

This? This is bullshit. There are hardcore nefarious motives behind these never before seen societal lockdowns and forced mass needle jabs. Media has never advertised vaccines like this before and they've even gone as far to PAY people to take it.

Some dumb ****ing sheep my guy... ruining it for all of us because they bought into it early, and,now their egos are tied to it so they won't turn around.

[kenneth_griffin]

Which celebrities? And you sure they had the vaccines and dropped dead afterwards? Link me to these celebrities.

As for your last sentence, what evidence do you have that covid was manufactured and by the government. Who manufactured it?


https://i.ibb.co/CVxVPC0/Screenshot-20210608-154404-Gallery.jpg

"diabetic complication" lmao

[kenneth_griffin]

https://i.ibb.co/h2gQb7q/Screenshot-20210608-154833-Samsung-Internet.jpg

convenient

[kenneth_griffin]

https://i.ibb.co/9VwgVwY/Screenshot-20210608-155229-Samsung-Internet.jpg


good timing though

[kenneth_griffin]

https://i.ibb.co/TWmXJHZ/Screenshot-20210608-160417-Gallery.jpg


still no cause of death reported

:roll:

[kenneth_griffin]

my phone nearly blew up putting this video on YouTube. bells and buzzes going off every second. internet cutting out multiple times. taking 20 minutes instead of the usual 30 seconds. HOOOOW CONVENIENT

:roll:


https://youtu.be/RklNKAZWTHc

[Manny98]

I owe you an apology. The circumstances for the covid vaccine aren't the same as the nutjobs who are out there saying all vaccines cause autism.
:cheers:

[oldtimer28]

I thought that before, cause that's what a laymen would think. But turns out it's not true. Any side effects would've been detected by now cause of the huge sample numbers.

Completely illogical what's your source/proof?

[diamenz]

https://i.ibb.co/9VwgVwY/Screenshot-20210608-155229-Samsung-Internet.jpg


good timing though

is that a wide angle lens or are his hands really that big? holy shit.

[Axe]

After taking the second dose, would your shoulder be attached to a car's body when you're in close proximity to it?

[bladefd]

https://i.ibb.co/CVxVPC0/Screenshot-20210608-154404-Gallery.jpg

"diabetic complication" lmao

How do you know he died after getting the vaccine? What evidence do you have to link his death to covid vaccine?

[iamgine]

Apparently some people do not get the meaning of "long term" in regards to long term effects. These vaccines rolled out in December. There is not a single person in the world who has been vaccinated for even a year. Long term effects are just that meaning they manifest over time after a few years. Anyone who took the vaccine willingly submitted to being a long term trial test subject for a vaccine for a virus with a 99.8% recovery rate. :facepalm There are a LOT of stupid people in this world.

One could be forgiven for thinking, "but it's only been a few months. What about side effects that would take years to show up?" Nope. With this many people vaccinated, there's nothing that will show up that hasn't already. Would be different if the sample is only a few hundreds or a thousand.

[kenneth_griffin]

How do you know he died after getting the vaccine? What evidence do you have to link his death to covid vaccine?

I dont. thats the thing. they won't investigate and every time something like this happens it's swept under the rug. the fact that every single time someone dies the very next day there's a headline that says "not due to vaccine" means ....ITS PROBLY DUE TO THE F*CKING VACCINE

otherwise why push this much propaganda and censorship

[coin24]

Which celebrities? And you sure they had the vaccines and dropped dead afterwards? Link me to these celebrities.

As for your last sentence, what evidence do you have that covid was manufactured and by the government. Who manufactured it?


Are you that fkn stupid?

Fauci is being grilled for it right now. :lol they’ve been funding the research of these virus labs all around the world, and guess where, wuhan.

[coin24]

Yup.

I never had a problem with getting vaccines my whole life for other things, but those vaccines were tested for many years and had legit deadly conditions behind them ~ meningitis, hepatitis, tetanus etc. Don't **** around with major brain, liver, and blood infections.

This? This is bullshit. There are hardcore nefarious motives behind these never before seen societal lockdowns and forced mass needle jabs. Media has never advertised vaccines like this before and they've even gone as far to PAY people to take it.

Some dumb ****ing sheep my guy... ruining it for all of us because they bought into it early, and,now their egos are tied to it so they won't turn around.

:cheers:

Why does any healthy person under 50 need to take this?
If the elderly and high risk are vaccinated, hospitals won’t be overrun as was the propaganda they sold at the start.. healthy people wouldn’t even know they had it.
Better shift the goalposts, “variants”:lol

This whole exercise has been an ass covering mission, and stupid naive assholes like officer bladed just gobble it up.

[bladefd]

I dont. thats the thing. they won't investigate and every time something like this happens it's swept under the rug. the fact that every single time someone dies the very next day there's a headline that says "not due to vaccine" means ....ITS PROBLY DUE TO THE F*CKING VACCINE

otherwise why push this much propaganda and censorship

Yeah, you have nothing. You are doing nothing but wasting my time with complete nonsense you might find on 4chan or some random tabloid magazine.

[coin24]

What a surprise blade with his head in the sand:lol

[Axe]

Yeah, you have nothing. You are doing nothing but wasting my time with complete nonsense you might find on 4chan or some random tabloid magazine.
He could have also gotten that from daily mail i believe.

[Rocket]

Every time someone drops dead soon after getting a vaccine they are very quick to say the death was not related to the vaccine. This brought to you from the same mainstream media that spent the last year and half saying the virus did not originate in the Wuhan lab. This is also the same media that pushed the Russia collusion manufactured hoax. Anyone who chooses to believe ANY bullshit they hear from the mainstream media now purposefully wants to keep their head buried in the sand.

[kenneth_griffin]

Yeah, you have nothing. You are doing nothing but wasting my time with complete nonsense you might find on 4chan or some random tabloid magazine.

so you honestly believe these globalist run news outlets would run a story about a possible link between vaccines and people dying lmao


you know there's billions of dollars on the line right?.. bill gates is literally licking his lips every time someone gets vaccinated. you sound like a total f*ggot in denial lmao

get this.. 1 out of 12 smokers get some form of lung cancer in their life and 6 out of those 12 will die from it. yet the government still sells cigarettes.

why? money

1 out of every 1400 people have died in ontario (NEARLY ALL OVER 70) where I live over the past year and a half and the entire province has been shut down for the past 3 months with nonstop covid stories and nonstop talk about how we all have to get vaccinated..

why? money


grow up you f*cking nitwit

[Code Breaker]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1402408416228806663

:roll:

[kenneth_griffin]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1402408416228806663

:roll:



reminds me of sports car dooshbags that say if you don't own a supercar then you drive around in a Prius...


"well if you're against vaccine roll outs with little or no testing you must be a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist moron

does this guy look like a conspiracy theorist?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/18034/production/_117865389_86f9d642-4b76-4f6a-ab49-d8ca8f8f48ca.jpg


this is a guy whos job it is to test vaccines and drugs for years before declaring them safe for the public

he went to school for over a decade to get this job

he probly makes 400k a year and has an IQ of over 140


but we don't need them anymore

[Code Breaker]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Angry_Staffer/status/1402838280844898304

Bat shit crazy :roll:

[n00bie]

https://i.ibb.co/q5PkJp1/Screenshot-20210607-194527-Gallery.jpg


this is my uncle. he was a medical doctor and helped develop vaccines for 30 years. he injected chimpanzees and killed thousands perfecting drugs to safely use on humans. he moved every 4 or 5 years because PETA would threaten him and his family. he said it takes up to 8 or 10 years to find out long term effects. for people my parents age they don't really have a choice. but for anyone under the age if 50 with no serious health issues it would actually be far more dangerous to take a new vaccine that hasn't gone through proper testing than it would be to catch covid and simply wait it through. for the short term you might be OK but a few years from now you might have kidney failure or some other problems. I think its like a 1 in 1400 chance of dying from covid. is that really worth signing up to be a lab rat

unless you're a heavy smoker or suffer from obesity/other major health issues or you're over the age of 50. do not take anything. not for at least 8 to 10 years. my uncles tossed out so many chimps in trash bags testing drugs for far less serious things than covid. so imagine how powerful this stuff must be.

If everyone thought like you, we'd be in lockdown for 10 years.

[kenneth_griffin]

If everyone thought like you, we'd be in lockdown for 10 years.

not for good reason though

only old and sick people should be in lockdown and taking untested unsafe vaccines as a last resort

[bladefd]

not for good reason though

only old and sick people should be in lockdown and taking untested unsafe vaccines as a last resort

So you want to lock down all old and sick people for several years in their homes until you deem the vaccine safe after years of rigorous testing? How many years do you think they should wait before you consider it last resort?

[Stanley Kobrick]

https://i.postimg.cc/7Z8z3Z8p/dfhdhfdf.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[kenneth_griffin]

So you want to lock down all old and sick people for several years in their homes until you deem the vaccine safe after years of rigorous testing? How many years do you think they should wait before you consider it last resort?


na they can take the untested vaccines if they want. but why should i have to in order to open things back up?

ontario has been on lockdown for like 3 months here in canada for no good reason whatsoever. if you're afraid of covid stay the f*ck home. if you want the vaccine get it. why the hell does everyone have to suffer for this sh*t

[theman93]

"Heart inflammation in young men higher than expected after Pfizer, Moderna vaccines - U.S. CDC" - https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-heart-inflammation-cases-ages-140826238.html

[bladefd]

na they can take the untested vaccines if they want. but why should i have to in order to open things back up?

ontario has been on lockdown for like 3 months here in canada for no good reason whatsoever. if you're afraid of covid stay the f*ck home. if you want the vaccine get it. why the hell does everyone have to suffer for this sh*t

Who is requiring you to get a vaccine?? If private businesses are, that's their deal. The government is not requiring citizens to get a vaccine. If you don't want it, don't get it but don't be a lil b!tch about it constantly crying about it.

[bladefd]

"Heart inflammation in young men higher than expected after Pfizer, Moderna vaccines - U.S. CDC" - https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-heart-inflammation-cases-ages-140826238.html

283 people got it. 18 people from that were hospitalized for it. 3 people in ICU. Almost all of them got better on their own.

Out of 130,000,000 fully vaccinated people in the USA.

Do the math. The percentage is so small with so many zeros after the decimal place that the calculator breaks.

Find me a vaccine with no side effects for anyone who took it. Measles? MMR? Pneumonia? Meningitis vaccine? Find one, any vaccine.

[theman93]

283 people got it. 18 people from that were hospitalized for it. 3 people in ICU. Almost all of them got better on their own.

Out of 130,000,000 fully vaccinated people in the USA.

Do the math. The percentage is so small with so many zeros after the decimal place that the calculator breaks.

Find me a vaccine with no side effects for anyone who took it. Measles? MMR? Pneumonia? Meningitis vaccine? Find one, any vaccine.

You're looking at the data incorrectly.

The issue lies in the 12-24 age group, which accounts for less than 9% of vaccines administered (see article). The issue in that age group is males so half that 9% and there is clearly an imbalance there as the CDC's deputy director of the CDC's Immunization Safety Office said.

[kenneth_griffin]

Who is requiring you to get a vaccine?? If private businesses are, that's their deal. The government is not requiring citizens to get a vaccine. If you don't want it, don't get it but don't be a lil b!tch about it constantly crying about it.

the government is forcing everyone because they've extended the lockdown 4 times now because they basically want the covid numbers to go down to zero before they feel its safe to buy pants and underwear

they literally roped off everything in walmart except food for the past 3 months and shut every other store down

[ZenMaster]

the government is forcing everyone because they've extended the lockdown 4 times now because they basically want the covid numbers to go down to zero before they feel its safe to buy pants and underwear

they literally roped off everything in walmart except food for the past 3 months and shut every other store down

These are current mask rules where I'm at:

You have to wear a mask everywhere outside unless you're eating, drinking, smoking or exercising. Except on beaches, there you're allowed to take your mask of since a few days ago.

Have to wear masks in all stores.

Can take your mask of in restaurants, bars. You can sit together max 6 people from 6 different households until midnight.
Offices, gyms and cinemas are open.

From July 1st:

Two vaccinated people are allowed to walk around together without mask, if you are more then you have to wear a mask.

Any unvaccinated will have to wear a mask at all times, except in restaurants and bars.

It's absurd walking along the city coast line where there are lots of restaurants, you have to wear a mask but they can sit there without. Then you look back up and see some guy running towards you, he's allowed to huff and puff without a mask, but because you're walking you have to wear a mask.

[bladefd]

You're looking at the data incorrectly.

The issue lies in the 12-24 age group, which accounts for less than 9% of vaccines administered (see article). The issue in that age group is males so half that 9% and there is clearly an imbalance there as the CDC's deputy director of the CDC's Immunization Safety Office said.

You are right. Even if it's in 4.5% of the total administered... That's 283 out of 5.85 million males. That's 0.004% of those in 12-24 age group. From that, everyone got better on their own without even requiring hospitalization except for 18 people. 0.004 got the temporary condition. 0.0003% needed to go to the hospital for observation. It's so minuscule that the calculator is enable to even show all the 0's after the decimal place.

[Manny98]

These are current mask rules where I'm at:

You have to wear a mask everywhere outside unless you're eating, drinking, smoking or exercising. Except on beaches, there you're allowed to take your mask of since a few days ago.

Have to wear masks in all stores.

Can take your mask of in restaurants, bars. You can sit together max 6 people from 6 different households until midnight.
Offices, gyms and cinemas are open.

From July 1st:

Two vaccinated people are allowed to walk around together without mask, if you are more then you have to wear a mask.

Any unvaccinated will have to wear a mask at all times, except in restaurants and bars.

It's absurd walking along the city coast line where there are lots of restaurants, you have to wear a mask but they can sit there without. Then you look back up and see some guy running towards you, he's allowed to huff and puff without a mask, but because you're walking you have to wear a mask.
Yikes that is terrible

[theman93]

You are right. Even if it's in 4.5% of the total administered... That's 283 out of 5.85 million males. That's 0.004% of those in 12-24 age group. From that, everyone got better on their own without even requiring hospitalization except for 18 people. 0.004 got the temporary condition. 0.0003% needed to go to the hospital for observation. It's so minuscule that the calculator is enable to even show all the 0's after the decimal place.

Whichever way you slice it it's still an issue, which is why they are looking in to it.

If we're going to nitpick a virus that has a such a high survival rate, then we should also nitpick a vaccine that is causing enough heart inflammation in young males that the CDC is stating it as an issue.

[bladefd]

Whichever way you slice it it's still an issue, which is why they are looking in to it.

If we're going to nitpick a virus that has a such a high survival rate, then we should also nitpick a vaccine that is causing enough heart inflammation in young males that the CDC is stating it as an issue.

They are looking into it to find out why.

What is higher? 0.2% or 0.0003%? One is larger than the other by a factor of 1000. I believe one is 66,666% larger than the other. I will let you figure out which is smaller and which is larger

[Chick Stern]

Whichever way you slice it it's still an issue, which is why they are looking in to it.

If we're going to nitpick a virus that has a such a high survival rate, then we should also nitpick a vaccine that is causing enough heart inflammation in young males that the CDC is stating it as an issue.
It’s like 250 guys

[coin24]

Imagine dying cause you were scared of getting the flu, of which you were likely to get no symptoms :lol

Sounds about right for basement blade

[theman93]

They are looking into it to find out why.

What is higher? 0.2% or 0.0003%? One is larger than the other by a factor of 1000. I believe one is 66,666% larger than the other. I will let you figure out which is smaller and which is larger

Again, your numbers are off because you aren't differentiating deaths from covid and deaths with covid.

Per the CDC, just 6% of covid deaths are from covid alone (from). 94% of covid deaths had an average of 2.6 additional comorbidities (with) meaning these people were already deathly ill and dying anyways. This is backed up when you take in to account the median covid decedent age was 78 years (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e1.htm - also see chart below which is data from the UK) while the average life expectancy in the US is 78.7 years (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/life-expectancy.htm).

https://i.ibb.co/92ZFNTR/covidagedeath.png

Therefor you only take 6% of the current 633k deaths which is only 36.7k.

Now do the math.

[bladefd]

Again, your numbers are off because you aren't differentiating deaths from covid and deaths with covid.

Per the CDC, just 6% of covid deaths are from covid alone (from). 94% of covid deaths had an average of 2.6 additional comorbidities (with) meaning these people were already deathly ill and dying anyways. This is backed up when you take in to account the median covid decedent age was 78 years (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e1.htm - also see chart below which is data from the UK) while the average life expectancy in the US is 78.7 years (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/life-expectancy.htm).

https://i.ibb.co/92ZFNTR/covidagedeath.png

Therefor you only take 6% of the current 633k deaths which is only 36.7k.

Now do the math.

Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and randomly tossed out 94% of covid deaths (utterly nonsense point btw), we are still looking at a minor side-effect. 0.012 (dead from covid) versus 0.0003 require hospitalization due to the side-effect (none dead). 40x smaller and 4,000% smaller.

If you want to compare apples to apples, go get me the hospitalization rate of those men in that same age-group from covid. You will not because it would destroy your argument. Right now, we are comparing dead from covid to zero deaths from that minor side-effect, which is comparing apples-to-oranges. I gave you 2 separate benefits of the doubt, and your argument still looks foolish.

Anyways, I would never throw out 94% of covid deaths because they were "with" covid rather than "from" covid. Covid increases risk in patients, such as those with diabetes and asthma. We know a lot about diabetes/asthma/etc, have treatments and medications. These medications can keep diabetes and asthma under control so without covid, most of those patients would have probably lived for years more. Covid, however, was something very new and we didn't know how to treat it initially for the first few months. That pretty much puts a lid on your illogical point.

[theman93]

Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and randomly tossed out 94% of covid deaths (utterly nonsense point btw), we are still looking at a minor side-effect. 0.012 (dead from covid) versus 0.0003 require hospitalization (none dead). 40x smaller and 4,000% smaller.

Anyways, I would never throw out 94% of covid deaths because they were "with" covid rather than "from" covid. Covid increases risk in patients, such as those with diabetes and asthma. We know a lot about diabetes/asthma/etc, have treatments and medications. These medications can keep diabetes and asthma under control so without covid, most of those patients would have probably lived for years more. Covid, however, was something very new and we didn't know how to treat it initially for the first few months.

You're not wrong per say, however the data backs up that covid accelerating the deaths of those with diabetes/asthma is more of a rarity than it is a common occurrence when it's observed that the average life expectancy is equal to the median covid decedent age.

Anyways, 12-24 year olds taking the vaccine isn't really worth it as they are hardly even effected.

https://i.ibb.co/QvtRgW5/12-24cv.png

[Cleverness]

How many children (under 18) have died from Covid-19 in the last 18 months? How many of those were otherwise healthy?

How many children have died in the last 18 months from causes other than Covid-19?

How many children are obese in the US? Overweight? Have type 2 diabetes? Have a psychiatric condition? (Treated for it with a drug?)

[Axe]

How many children (under 18) have died from Covid-19 in the last 18 months? How many of those were otherwise healthy?

How many children have died in the last 18 months from causes other than Covid-19?

How many children are obese in the US? Overweight? Have type 2 diabetes? Have a psychiatric condition? (Treated for it with a drug?)
How many lives have trump's covid task forces saved since 2020?

[keep-itreal]

"there are no long term side effects of the vaccine even though it's only been less than 6 months since rollout."

you brain dead sheeps are really bunch of morons :roll:

[keep-itreal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBEErTd-iS8

soccor player COLLAPSE on the field after taking vaccine

https://monophy.com/media/GV3aYiEP8qbao/monophy.gif

[PistonsFan#21]

Who is requiring you to get a vaccine?? If private businesses are, that's their deal. The government is not requiring citizens to get a vaccine. If you don't want it, don't get it but don't be a lil b!tch about it constantly crying about it.

Actually the government does require exactly that in some places. Kenneth is from Ontario, Canada and the government locked down the whole province requiring 60% of the population to get vaccinated before entering phase 1 of reopening. Before that, you weren't allowed to visit family members from different house holds, you couldn't hang out with any friends even outdoors, you had people getting fined for literally talking to their neighbors on their own driveways, you have a stay at home order unless you go out to purchase essential items or for some quick exercise, you aren't allowed to buy clothes, baby toys, electronics or any other articles that are deemed non essential in stores. Private businesses were forced to comply with those ''safety'' measures put in place by the Government, it wasn't their own decisions.

Are you seriously defending this? Your freedom is literally dependent on the amount of people vaccinated...lol

[PistonsFan#21]

One might be forgiven for thinking, "but it's only been a few months. What about side effects that would take years to show up?" Nope. With this many people vaccinated, there's nothing that will show up that hasn't already. Would be different if the sample is only a few hundreds or a thousand.

Then why is there still ongoing clinical research and data analysis/monitoring and why is the vaccine only approved under EUA? You think we already have all the answers and nothing new will be discovered even 4-5 years from now?

[bladefd]

Actually the government does require exactly that in some places. Kenneth is from Ontario, Canada and the government locked down the whole province requiring 60% of the population to get vaccinated before entering phase 1 of reopening. Before that, you weren't allowed to visit family members from different house holds, you couldn't hang out with any friends even outdoors, you had people getting fined for literally talking to their neighbors on their own driveways, you have a stay at home order unless you go out to purchase essential items or for some quick exercise, you aren't allowed to buy clothes, baby toys, electronics or any other articles that are deemed non essential in stores. Private businesses were forced to comply with those ''safety'' measures put in place by the Government, it wasn't their own decisions.

Are you seriously defending this? Your freedom is literally dependent on the amount of people vaccinated...lol

I don't know about Canada and how they are doing things. Perhaps I shouldn't presume about Canada and just stick to America. In America, the government is not requiring citizens to get vaccinated. Better?