What argument does MJ have over Lebron as a scorer?

[Pip' N Rodman]

LeBron has:

- More regular season points

- More playoff points

- Better scoring longevity (25ppg on 50% in his 18th season, Jordan was 20ppg on 40% by Year 15)

- Higher FG % in regular season and playoffs

- Higher 3 point %

- Higher ppg average in elimination games

- Higher ppg average in Game 7s



He was a better scorer in every way

[Airupthere]

Boxscore warrior lol. Do you even watch games or play the game?

[coastalmarker99]

The only player in NBA history that even has a serious argument over Jordan as a scorer is Wilt.

Player A: 50 PPG peak, 100 points game-high
Player B: 37 PPG peak, 69 points game-high (with OT)

Player A clearly is the superior scorer and he had more than one card to play. He could operate successfully in other roles, not just one like MJ.


Also When Wilt was tasked to score he did it in a way nobody has ever come close to. For the second half of his career he was asked to facilitate (led the league in assists as a center) or later on to focus on rebounding and defence (a la Russell). We should reward him, not penalize him, for not being a one-trick pony.



On another note Wilt was putting up 35 to 40 points and 30 rebounds on the GOAT defensive player on the GOAT dynasty. He didn't have a chance to stat pad against Dan Majerle or Craig Ehlo. Imagine if Jordan faced Pippen or Payton in 30-40% of his playoff games.

[DoctorP]

Every argument

[kenneth_griffin]

well jordan was a better mid range shooter, free throw shooter, hit more contested shots, didn't shy away from contact or late game shots. he could go off for 50,60 whenever he wanted, he led the league in scoring 10 times. holds the record for the most points in a playoff game and is the all time scoring average leader in the regular season and playoffs. Jordan could draw fouls better also.. all lebron does better is shoot threes and can push people out of the way easier for layups. while Jordan used actual skill to score inside

its night and day really. lebron will disappear and hide from the ball or refuse to take over at times. Jordan always died going out firing or got the job done.

oh yeah and Jordan while being way smaller was better at posting people up for some reason. lebron gets pushed around by guys like jj barea

[Shooter]

Short Answer:
MJ has no argument over LBJ. LBJ is the better scorer by a wide margin.


Long Answer:
LeBron has:

- More regular season points

- More playoff points

- Better scoring longevity (25ppg on 50% in his 18th season, Jordan was 20ppg on 40% by Year 15)

- Higher FG % in regular season and playoffs

- Higher 3 point %

- Higher ppg average in elimination games

- Higher ppg average in Game 7s

[RogueBorg]

LeBron has:

- More regular season points

- More playoff points

- Better scoring longevity (25ppg on 50% in his 18th season, Jordan was 20ppg on 40% by Year 15)

- Higher FG % in regular season and playoffs

- Higher 3 point %

- Higher ppg average in elimination games

- Higher ppg average in Game 7s



He was a better scorer in every way

Almost everything you listed comes from shooting at or near the basket. Once you get Lebron out further than 3 ft from the basket he's a mid-30% shooter from the field. It's proven and well documented. The only move he has is going to the basket. He has zero post game, he has almost zero mid-range game, and he's a below average from 3's compared to his contemporaries. I agree with other poster, you read box scores and don't watch games.

https://i.ibb.co/1LHDyt6/Lebron-shooting-distance.png

[3ball]

Scoring is measured by the amount a player can score PER GAME

Jordan did far more per game - it's silly to debate that water is wet

And Wilt averaged 22 ppg in the playoffs - so Jordan is the leader in ppg for regular season and Playoffs... he leads the playoffs by 4-5 ppg over everyone else - everyone is bunched up at 27-29 ppg, and Jordan stands alone at 33.5

There's no debate - only EDUCATION of new fans

[coastalmarker99]

Scoring is measured by the amount a player can score PER GAME

Jordan did far more per game - it's silly to debate that water is wet

And Wilt averaged 22 ppg in the playoffs - so Jordan is the leader in ppg for regular season and Playoffs... he leads the playoffs by 4-5 ppg over everyone else - everyone is bunched up at 27-29 ppg, and Jordan stands alone at 33.5

There's no debate - only EDUCATION of new fans


Wilt would have left Jordan in the dust when it comes to scoring both in the regular season and playoffs if he had chosen to only focus on it for his career.



Wilt in his career succeeded as 1) the most dominant scorer ever 2) a facilitator 3) the Russell role of dominant defence/rebounding. No one else in the top 10 can say that they succeeded in many roles as Wilt did. LeBron succeeded in moving to PG in 2020 but Jordan was in the same exact role every second of his NBA career. Kareem's prime was the same, although he should he could gradually cede the reins to Magic. Russell's playing role was always the same (although he became a player-coach).




And 3 ball you should remember 3ball that Wilt was putting up 35 to 40 points and 30 rebounds on the GOAT defensive player on the GOAT dynasty all the while getting double and triple-teamed. He didn't have a chance to stat pad against Dan Majerle or Craig Ehlo. Imagine if Jordan faced Pippen or Payton in 30-40% of his playoff games.

[Shooter]

Wilt would have left Jordan in the dust when it comes to scoring both in the regular season and playoffs if he had chosen to only focus on it for his career.



Wilt in his career succeeded as 1) the most dominant scorer ever 2) a facilitator 3) the Russell role of dominant defence/rebounding. No one else in the top 10 can say that they succeeded in many roles as Wilt did. LeBron succeeded in moving to PG in 2020 but Jordan was in the same exact role every second of his NBA career. Kareem's prime was the same, although he should he could gradually cede the reins to Magic. Russell's playing role was always the same (although he became a player-coach).

To be fair, LeBron was the defensive anchor for the 2012 2013 and 2016 chips...AD was for 2020 though.

[3ball]

Wilt would have left Jordan in the dust when it comes to scoring both in the regular season and playoffs if he had chosen to only focus on it for his career.



Wilt in his career succeeded as 1) the most dominant scorer ever 2) a facilitator 3) the Russell role of dominant defence/rebounding. No one else in the top 10 can say that they succeeded in many roles as Wilt did. LeBron succeeded in moving to PG in 2020 but Jordan was in the same exact role every second of his NBA career. Kareem's prime was the same, although he should he could gradually cede the reins to Magic. Russell's playing role was always the same (although he became a player-coach).


Jordan was the best PG in the league when he played the position in 89'.

Wilt can't say that - he was never a ball-handler - Wilt needed to be passed the ball for him to get an assist lol

So Jordan had goat PG skill and was the goat scorer, but I'll give it to Wilt defensively

[coastalmarker99]

Scoring is measured by the amount a player can score PER GAME

Jordan did far more per game - it's silly to debate that water is wet

And Wilt averaged 22 ppg in the playoffs - so Jordan is the leader in ppg for regular season and Playoffs... he leads the playoffs by 4-5 ppg over everyone else - everyone is bunched up at 27-29 ppg, and Jordan stands alone at 33.5

There's no debate - only EDUCATION of new fans

16 PPG Lakers in 80 games/53%
25 PPG 76ers in 44 Games/54%
*34.7 PPG Warrior's 36games/50%
Wilt Warriors playoff average is still the league record among all 30 franchise leaders in Playoff PPG, that includes Jordan Bulls as well.

[coastalmarker99]

Jordan was the best PG in the league when he played the position in 89'.

Wilt can't say that - he was never a ball-handler - Wilt needed to be passed the ball for him to get an assist lol

So Jordan had goat PG skill and was the goat scorer, but I'll give it to Wilt defensively



Wilt averaged 22 points alongside 29 rebounds and 9 assists plus 9.4 blocks a game in the 67 playoffs en route to a ring so yes Wilt as well had goat Pg skill.





3ball you should know that if Wilt had fully focused on only scoring for his entire career he would have averaged 35 to 37 points a game for his career in both the regular season and playoffs.


And he also would have 11 straight scoring titles from 1959 to 1970 plus 40 thousand points for his career in only 14 years.

[3ball]

Wilt averaged 22 points alongside 29 rebounds and 9 assists plus 9.4 blocks a game in the 67 playoffs en route to a ring so yes Wilt as well had goat Pg skill.





3ball you should know that if Wilt had fully focused on only scoring for his entire career he would have averaged 35 to 37 points a game for his career and he would have 11 straight scoring titles from 1959 to 1970.

Stopped reading at 22 points

Wilt was carried

30% FT's... A liability in many ways.. multiple teammates outscoring him

[coastalmarker99]

Stopped reading at 22 points

Wilt was carried



You are a joke 3 ball


How can Wilt be carried when he lead the postseason in 1967 in minutes per game blocks field goal percentage assists and rebounding alongside win shares and offensive win shares plus defensive win shares on route to a finals Mvp.

[coastalmarker99]

Stopped reading at 22 points

Wilt was carried

30% FT's... A liability in many ways.. multiple teammates outscoring him


How can Wilt be a liability for his team when he is dropping multiple quadruple doubles on Nate and Russell's head who are two goat defenders mind you all in the same postseason.



Face it 3 ball Jordan never dominated his peers in all areas of the game as Wilt did to his.

[baudkarma]

Jordan has 10 scoring titles. LeBron has 1, and even in the year he won that one he didn't have the most points in the league (that was Kobe), he just had a higher ppg.

[Shooter]

You are a joke 3 ball


How can Wilt be carried when he lead the postseason in 1967 in minutes per game blocks field goal percentage assists and rebounding alongside win shares and offensive win shares plus defensive win shares on route to a finals Mvp.

+1

3ball is a special kind of guy that brings all the hate onto himself.

[Shooter]

Jordan has 10 scoring titles. LeBron has 1, and even in the year he won that one he didn't have the most points in the league (that was Kobe), he just had a higher ppg.

Regular season awards? Yawn

LeBron has the playoff scoring title

7631 > 5987

Keep. Up.

[coastalmarker99]

Here is where Wilt ranked in every stat for the 1967 playoffs.
Rebounds Per Game
1. Wilt Chamberlain * • PHI 29.1

Total Rebounds
1. Wilt Chamberlain* • PHI 437


Blocks Per Game

1 Wilt Chamberlain 9.4


Total Blocks

1 Wilt Chamberlain 144




Total Assists
1.Wilt Chamberlain* • PHI 135

Assists Per Game

2 Wilt Chamberlain 9.0


Free Throw Attempts
1.Wilt Chamberlain* • PHI 160


Minutes Played
1.Wilt Chamberlain* • PHI 718


Minutes Per Game
1.Wilt Chamberlain* • PHI 47.9


Player Efficiency Rating
1.Wilt Chamberlain* • PHI 25.3

Win Shares
1.Wilt Chamberlain* • PHI 3.8

Offensive Win Shares
1.Wilt Chamberlain* • PHI 1.8

Defensive Win Shares
1.Wilt Chamberlain* • PHI 2.0

Win Shares Per 48 Minutes
1.Wilt Chamberlain* • PHI




I will wait for your response 3ball to my post as I am deeply interested to see how you can spin this into Wilt being carried by his teammates.

[dbugz]

OP has low basketball IQ :oldlol:

[3ball]

How can Wilt be a liability for his team when he is dropping multiple quadruple doubles on Nate and Russell's head who are two goat defenders mind you all in the same postseason.



Face it 3 ball Jordan never dominated his peers in all areas of the game as Wilt did to his.


A team can win with less, assists, rebounds and blocks

But they can't win with less scoring, so Wilt was carried in the primary category - this precludes ANYONE from matching MJ - the next goat must be capable of taking over like Jordan

[coastalmarker99]

A team can win with less, assists, rebounds and blocks

But they can't win with less scoring, so Wilt was carried in the primary category - this precludes ANYONE from matching MJ - the next goat must be capable of taking over like Jordan





A team can not win if they don't get the ball that Wilt provided to his teammates by grabbing every single rebound in the paint.




Remember 3 ball

No rebounds – no rings.” — Pat Riley

[3ball]

A team can not win if they don't get the ball which Wilt provided to his teammates by grabbing every single rebound in the paint.


^^^ that's replaceable by role players like Horace Grant (8 rpg for career)

Jordan 3-peated with Horace

[coastalmarker99]

^^^ that's replaceable by role players like Horace Grant (8 rpg for career)

Jordan 3-peated with Horace





And Wilt won a title with freaking Hal Greer who is worse then Pippen as his second-best player against the Greatest Dynasty in NBA history despite his 76ers team being outgunned by the countless hall of fame players that the Celtics had.




It should be noted when you compare Wilt and Jordan as individual players and don't include team achievements.


That Wilt easily comes out on top in every single area of the game besides free throw shooting.


The only player in Nba history that can rival Wilt's all-round greatness in all areas of the game is Lebron

[Shooter]

A team can not win if they don't get the ball that Wilt provided to his teammates by grabbing every single rebound in the paint.




Remember 3 ball

No rebounds – no rings.” — Pat Riley

Bingo

[coastalmarker99]

Bingo

:applause:

[MadDog]

The only arguments that count. Jordan has 10 scoring titles to LeBron's 1. Still holds the highest playoff average of 33ppg which also led to 6 rings. Jordan didn't need to rack up useless longevity totals because he reached the mountaintop, in less time.

[HoopsNY]

Regular season awards? Yawn

LeBron has the playoff scoring title

7631 > 5987

Keep. Up.

Manny being Manny again. Tony Parker has more career playoff points than:

Bird
Hakeem
Magic
Dirk
Baylor
Wilt
Wade

Judging by your criteria, Parker must be the better scorer.

[jayfan]

Regular season awards? Yawn

LeBron has the playoff scoring title

7631 > 5987

Keep. Up.


But of course, Jordan's 5,987 playoff points was in 179 games.

In Lebron's first 179 playoff games, he totaled only 5,042 points.


:confusedshrug:


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[Pip' N Rodman]

But of course, Jordan's 5,987 playoff points was in 179 games.

In Lebron's first 179 playoff games, he totaled only 5,042 points.


:confusedshrug:


.

But he got double the rebounds and assists MJ did.

How many points would LeBron have if he focused just on scoring?

[MadDog]

But of course, Jordan's 5,987 playoff points was in 179 playoff games.

In Lebron's first 179 playoff games, he produced only 5,042 points.


:confusedshrug:


.

Yup. And his scoring produced 6 titles. Meanwhile LeBron is on the phone begging for more help. Just to get #5.

[jayfan]

But he got double the rebounds and assists MJ did.

How many points would LeBron have if he focused just on scoring?


I thought this thread was about scoring? You're the OP.


.

[dankok8]

All in their primes, the gap between Jordan and Lebron in terms of playoff scoring is about the same as the gap between Shaq and Duncan. It's somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 PPG which is enormous.

[baudkarma]

Regular season awards? Yawn

LeBron has the playoff scoring title

7631 > 5987

Keep. Up.

No, LeBron doesn't have the playoff scoring title. He's scored the most points in the playoffs of any NBA player, but that's because he's played in 87 more playoff games than MJ. That's more than an entire season worth of games, LeBron damn well better have more playoff points than MJ.

The regular season scoring title goes to the player who has played with the highest point per game average during the regular season, assuming that player appeared in enough games to qualify. In NBA playoff history, MJ has the scoring title with 33.45 PPG. LeBron is... 5th, with 28.69 ppg.

If you want to switch up the criteria for scoring title between the regular season and the playoffs to fit your narrative you can go ahead and do it. Just realize how stupid you sound.

[Pip' N Rodman]

All in their primes, the gap between Jordan and Lebron in terms of playoff scoring is about the same as the gap between Shaq and Duncan. It's somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 PPG which is enormous.

You have to look at it in percentage terms dummy :oldlol:

Its about a ~15% gap in scoring, but LeBron got 60-80% more rebounds and assists, while also shooting a higher FG%.

Its idiotic to say Jordan was better than LeBron in anything playoffs wise :oldlol:

[Shooter]

But of course, Jordan's 5,987 playoff points was in 179 games.

In Lebron's first 179 playoff games, he totaled only 5,042 points.


:confusedshrug:


.


Whoops! You forgot about FGA

FGA:
LBJ = 4,379
MJ = 4,497
MJ shot 118 more times

PTS:
LBJ = 5,995
MJ = 5,987

LeBron score more points on fewer shots and he wasn't even known for his scoring. It's. Over.

[Shooter]

No, LeBron doesn't have the playoff scoring title. He's scored the most points in the playoffs of any NBA player, but that's because he's played in 87 more playoff games than MJ. That's more than an entire season worth of games, LeBron damn well better have more playoff points than MJ.

The regular season scoring title goes to the player who has played with the highest point per game average during the regular season, assuming that player appeared in enough games to qualify. In NBA playoff history, MJ has the scoring title with 33.45 PPG. LeBron is... 5th, with 28.69 ppg.

If you want to switch up the criteria for scoring title between the regular season and the playoffs to fit your narrative you can go ahead and do it. Just realize how stupid you sound.

Wrong

Whoops! You forgot about FGA

FGA:
LBJ = 4,379
MJ = 4,497
MJ shot 118 more times

PTS:
LBJ = 5,995
MJ = 5,987

LeBron score more points on fewer shots and he wasn't even known for his scoring. It's. Over.

[3ball]

Wrong

Whoops! You forgot about FGA

FGA:
LBJ = 4,379
MJ = 4,497
MJ shot 118 more times

PTS:
LBJ = 5,995
MJ = 5,987

LeBron score more points on fewer shots and he wasn't even known for his scoring. It's. Over.



FTA's

[Carbine]

Wilt would have left Jordan in the dust when it comes to scoring both in the regular season and playoffs if he had chosen to only focus on it for his career.



Wilt in his career succeeded as 1) the most dominant scorer ever 2) a facilitator 3) the Russell role of dominant defence/rebounding. No one else in the top 10 can say that they succeeded in many roles as Wilt did. LeBron succeeded in moving to PG in 2020 but Jordan was in the same exact role every second of his NBA career. Kareem's prime was the same, although he should he could gradually cede the reins to Magic. Russell's playing role was always the same (although he became a player-coach).




And 3 ball you should remember 3ball that Wilt was putting up 35 to 40 points and 30 rebounds on the GOAT defensive player on the GOAT dynasty all the while getting double and triple-teamed. He didn't have a chance to stat pad against Dan Majerle or Craig Ehlo. Imagine if Jordan faced Pippen or Payton in 30-40% of his playoff games.

How does one stat pad against a multiple time all defensive player? When they faced off in the finals Majerle was I believe a second team selection all defense.

[Shooter]

Whoops! You forgot about FGA

FGA:
LBJ = 4,379
MJ = 4,497
MJ shot 118 more times

PTS:
LBJ = 5,995
MJ = 5,987

LeBron scored more points on fewer shots and he wasn't even known for his scoring. It's. Over.

Guys?

[RogueBorg]

Regular season awards? Yawn

LeBron has the playoff scoring title

7631 > 5987

Keep. Up.

Jordan 33.4 ppg>Lebron 28.7 ppg

Scrub

[RogueBorg]

Whoops! You forgot about FGA

FGA:
LBJ = 4,379
MJ = 4,497
MJ shot 118 more times

PTS:
LBJ = 5,995
MJ = 5,987

LeBron score more points on fewer shots and he wasn't even known for his scoring. It's. Over.

That's because of 3's you moron. He shot a boat load more.

[Bronbron23]

LeBron has:

- More regular season points

- More playoff points

- Better scoring longevity (25ppg on 50% in his 18th season, Jordan was 20ppg on 40% by Year 15)

- Higher FG % in regular season and playoffs

- Higher 3 point %

- Higher ppg average in elimination games

- Higher ppg average in Game 7s



He was a better scorer in every way

And another meltown:facepalm

[dankok8]

And another meltown:facepalm

They are having a rough few days. Tough when the fake GOAT you support doesn't even play like a top 15 player in the league in the playoffs.

[theman93]

Almost everything you listed comes from shooting at or near the basket. Once you get Lebron out further than 3 ft from the basket he's a mid-30% shooter from the field. It's proven and well documented. The only move he has is going to the basket. He has zero post game, he has almost zero mid-range game, and he's a below average from 3's compared to his contemporaries. I agree with other poster, you read box scores and don't watch games.

https://i.ibb.co/1LHDyt6/Lebron-shooting-distance.png

This is a correct assessment and he actually becomes even worse from outside 3 ft in the playoffs.

https://i.ibb.co/0GFzwhL/badshooting.png

[Shooter]

Short Answer:
MJ has no argument over LBJ. LBJ is the better scorer by a wide margin.


Long Answer:
LeBron has:

- More regular season points

- More playoff points

- Better scoring longevity (25ppg on 50% in his 18th season, Jordan was 20ppg on 40% by Year 15)

- Higher FG % in regular season and playoffs

- Higher 3 point %

- Higher ppg average in elimination games

- Higher ppg average in Game 7s

[SATAN]

Boxscore warrior lol. Do you even watch games or play the game?

You are a proven casual. Shut the **** up.

[BigShotBob]

This is a correct assessment and he actually becomes even worse from outside 3 ft in the playoffs.

https://i.ibb.co/0GFzwhL/badshooting.png

Do the Jeff alts have anymore questions?

[Airupthere]

You are a proven casual. Shut the **** up.

Was that your alt or were you just backing up your co bronsexual? Lol

[Shooter]

Short Answer:
MJ has no argument over LBJ. LBJ is the better scorer by a wide margin.


Long Answer:
LeBron has:

- More regular season points

- More playoff points

- Better scoring longevity (25ppg on 50% in his 18th season, Jordan was 20ppg on 40% by Year 15)

- Higher FG % in regular season and playoffs

- Higher 3 point %

- Higher ppg average in elimination games

- Higher ppg average in Game 7s

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[CountDracula]

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[Axe]

They are having a rough few days. Tough when the fake GOAT you support doesn't even play like a top 15 player in the league in the playoffs.
Just curious. Who's this fake goat are you speaking of?

[Pip' N Rodman]

Anyone?

[Full Court]

How about Michael Jordan won 10 scoring titles - more than anyone in NBA history.

How many scoring titles did Lebron ever get? Oh, that's right. ONE. You have to be nearly brain dead to try to argue that Lebron is a better scorer.

[Pip' N Rodman]

How about Michael Jordan won 10 scoring titles - more than anyone in NBA history.

How many scoring titles did Lebron ever get? Oh, that's right. ONE. You have to be nearly brain dead to try to argue that Lebron is a better scorer.

So was Iverson a better scorer than LeBron? He has 4 scoring titles to LeBrons 1

Lol lets see you try and weasel out of this one. :oldlol:

[Full Court]

So was Iverson a better scorer than LeBron? He has 4 scoring titles to LeBrons 1

Lol lets see you try and weasel out of this one. :oldlol:

Yes, Iverson was. But you're clearly stuck on your agenda, so have fun with your opinion.

There are things Lebron was better at than Jordan, but to say he's a better scorer than MJ is just ludicrous.

[Shooter]

So was Iverson a better scorer than LeBron? He has 4 scoring titles to LeBrons 1

Lol lets see you try and weasel out of this one. :oldlol:

Gottem :lol

[Shooter]

Yes, Iverson was. But you're clearly stuck on your agenda, so have fun with your opinion.

There are things Lebron was better at than Jordan, but to say he's a better scorer than MJ is just ludicrous.


Pip' N Rodman gottem SPINNIN :lol

[coastalmarker99]

Wilt Chamberlain was a better scorer than Jordan, a better rebounder in both a relative and absolute sense, a better passer, and a better defensive player. Jordan won one DPOY, but if it existed in Wilt’s era, he probably would’ve won four (1967, 68, 72, and 73).





The only reason Wilt's scoring average went down is that he was asked to do other things. He could have averaged 40 for his career which would have left Jordan in the dust.

[Shooter]

Wilt Chamberlain was a better scorer than Jordan, a better rebounder in both a relative and absolute sense, a better passer, and a better defensive player. Jordan won one DPOY, but if it existed in Wilt’s era, he probably would’ve won four (1967, 68, 72, and 73).

Fax

[coastalmarker99]

Wilt has the top 4 scoring averages in the history of the game at 50,44,38,37 then Jordan is 5th



Hell Wilt averaged more points and rebounds per game in his rookie season than anybody has ever done since in over 61 years.

[coastalmarker99]

Wilt blows everybody away when it comes to 40 50 and 60 along with 70 point games in Nba history and that is despite the fact that he basically chose to stop scoring after his 7th season.

[jalbert009]

10 scoring titles for MJ compared to 1 scoring title for Lebron. These titles are a better way to measure a players scoring ability relative to their peers in their Era due to you being the best scorer in the league in that year regardless of rule changes.

[kawhileonard2]

Wilt blows everybody away when it comes to 40 50 and 60 along with 70 point games in Nba history and that is despite the fact that he basically chose to stop scoring after his 7th season.

Jordan has more than double the 50+ point playoffs games than anyone and also almost double the 40+ point playoff games than anyone. Hell Iverson, Donovan Mitchell and Jamal Murray have more than Wilt or Lebron or Shaq as well but then again the last two was in the bubble.

[Thenameless]

The only player in NBA history that even has a serious argument over Jordan as a scorer is Wilt.

Player A: 50 PPG peak, 100 points game-high
Player B: 37 PPG peak, 69 points game-high (with OT)

Player A clearly is the superior scorer and he had more than one card to play. He could operate successfully in other roles, not just one like MJ.


Also When Wilt was tasked to score he did it in a way nobody has ever come close to. For the second half of his career he was asked to facilitate (led the league in assists as a center) or later on to focus on rebounding and defence (a la Russell). We should reward him, not penalize him, for not being a one-trick pony.



On another note Wilt was putting up 35 to 40 points and 30 rebounds on the GOAT defensive player on the GOAT dynasty. He didn't have a chance to stat pad against Dan Majerle or Craig Ehlo. Imagine if Jordan faced Pippen or Payton in 30-40% of his playoff games.

Thank you.

[Bawkish]

How many 50+ pts games does Bron have in the playoffs?

How many 40+ pts games? 30+?

[Axe]

How many 50+ pts games does Bron have in the playoffs?

How many 40+ pts games? 30+?
1-9

[Shooter]

10 scoring titles for MJ compared to 1 scoring title for Lebron. These titles are a better way to measure a players scoring ability relative to their peers in their Era due to you being the best scorer in the league in that year regardless of rule changes.

Russell Westbrook has more scoring titles than Larry Bird
Carmello Anthony has more scoring titles than Larry Bird
Allen Iverson has more scoring titles than Larry Bird

Thanks for your retarded take :lol

[jleedadj]

What distinguished Jordan was that he was a game-changer -- set new standards with never-before-seen ways to destroy an entire team's defense.
As for Lebron, you can find so many other players who are more offensively skilled at any point of his career.
He plays more with his gifted physique much like Wilt did with the rare combination of speed and size.
Not an interesting comparison at all.

I think a more fair question would be for Durant or Kawhi.

[Airupthere]

What distinguished Jordan was that he was a game-changer -- set new standards with never-before-seen ways to destroy an entire team's defense.
As for Lebron, you can find so many other players who are more offensively skilled at any point of his career.
He plays more with his gifted physique much like Wilt did with the rare combination of speed and size.
Not an interesting comparison at all.

I think a more fair question would be for Durant or Kawhi.

Only for wilt, during his time was allowed to be hit to make things more even for the defenser.

Lebron on the other hand, you cant even breath on him. Imagine being a tank and no one can hit you.

[baudkarma]

Guys?

Please tell me you weren't obsessively refreshing this thread and waiting for someone to reply to your flawed stats so that you could reply with even more flawed stats.

[Shooter]

Does anyone care to pipe up?

Short Answer:
MJ has no argument over LBJ. LBJ is the better scorer by a wide margin.


Long Answer:
LeBron has:

- More regular season points

- More playoff points

- Better scoring longevity (25ppg on 50% in his 18th season, Jordan was 20ppg on 40% by Year 15)

- Higher FG % in regular season and playoffs

- Higher 3 point %

- Higher ppg average in elimination games

- Higher ppg average in Game 7s

[Bawkish]

Does anyone care to pipe up?

Short Answer:
MJ has no argument over LBJ. LBJ is the better scorer by a wide margin.


Long Answer:
LeBron has:

- More regular season points

- More playoff points

- Better scoring longevity (25ppg on 50% in his 18th season, Jordan was 20ppg on 40% by Year 15)

- Higher FG % in regular season and playoffs

- Higher 3 point %

- Higher ppg average in elimination games

- Higher ppg average in Game 7s

How many 50+ pts games does Bron have in the playoffs?

How many 40+ pts games? 30+?

[baudkarma]

Does anyone care to pipe up?

Short Answer:
MJ has no argument over LBJ. LBJ is the better scorer by a wide margin.


Long Answer:
LeBron has:

- More regular season points

- More playoff points

- Better scoring longevity (25ppg on 50% in his 18th season, Jordan was 20ppg on 40% by Year 15)

- Higher FG % in regular season and playoffs

- Higher 3 point %

- Higher ppg average in elimination games

- Higher ppg average in Game 7s

Plenty of people have piped up. You choose to either ignore their arguments, or move the goalposts. I point out that MJ has 10 scoring titles to LeBrons 1, and you decide that regular season stats no longer matter. LeBron has more points in the playoffs, that's what makes him a better scorer that MJ.

So then I inform you that MJ has a higher PPG average than LeBron in the playoffs, and it's really not even close. You decide in return that oh no, now we have to take into account number of shot attempts too! And suddenly we also need to take into account the other parts of LeBrons game and speculate just how great he could have been if he had just concentrated on scoring (While ignoring the MJ DPOY in 1988).

LeBron is a great scorer, but he's nowhere near as great as Jordan was. If you can't see that, you're either an idiot or a troll. Either way, I'm done with you.

/out

[Axe]

Plenty of people have piped up. You choose to either ignore their arguments, or move the goalposts. I point out that MJ has 10 scoring titles to LeBrons 1, and you decide that regular season stats no longer matter. LeBron has more points in the playoffs, that's what makes him a better scorer that MJ.

So then I inform you that MJ has a higher PPG average than LeBron in the playoffs, and it's really not even close. You decide in return that oh no, now we have to take into account number of shot attempts too! And suddenly we also need to take into account the other parts of LeBrons game and speculate just how great he could have been if he had just concentrated on scoring (While ignoring the MJ DPOY in 1988).

LeBron is a great scorer, but he's nowhere near as great as Jordan was. If you can't see that, you're either an idiot or a troll. Either way, I'm done with you.

/out
Yes. If we're being serious, mj is the better scorer. Those scoring titles would show it.

[BigShotBob]

So was Iverson a better scorer than LeBron? He has 4 scoring titles to LeBrons 1

Lol lets see you try and weasel out of this one. :oldlol:

Iverson was definitely a better scorer than Lebron.

[Walk on Water]

This is unbelievable. Jordan has 10 scoring titles to Lebron's 1. It's the other way around, you need to make a case for Lebron.

And Jordan also has more All-NBA defense awards. 9 to Lebron's 5.

Lebron fans love to twist things. They want you to prove how MJ is better when it really is the other way around. What kind of stat is most 25 PPG seasons? Why stop at 25? Why not 29? Why not 30? It's such a random stat. And what does that stat matter if Jordan has the higher PPG average?

You can make an argument for Lebron's longevity but that doesn't help that he has fewer rings in more time and has lost more.

[jayfan]

Russell Westbrook has more scoring titles than Larry Bird
Carmello Anthony has more scoring titles than Larry Bird
Allen Iverson has more scoring titles than Larry Bird

Thanks for your retarded take :lol


How many more? 9 more?



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[ImKobe]

This is unbelievable. Jordan has 10 scoring titles to Lebron's 1. It's the other way around, you need to make a case for Lebron.

And Jordan also has more All-NBA defense awards. 9 to Lebron's 5.

Lebron fans love to twist things. They want you to prove how MJ is better when it really is the other way around. What kind of stat is most 25 PPG seasons? Why stop at 25? Why not 29? Why not 30? It's such a random stat. And what does that stat matter if Jordan has the higher PPG average?

You can make an argument for Lebron's longevity but that doesn't help that he has fewer rings in more time and has lost more.

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Lebron is playing in the toughest era in basketball history. Jordan went up against car mechanics and beat a bunch of nobodies.


Lebron made more Finals while playing with 0 help and beat the greatest team of all time in '16 while leading both teams in every major statistic. He's the GOAT.

[And1AllDay]

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Lebron is playing in the toughest era in basketball history. Jordan went up against car mechanics and beat a bunch of nobodies.


Lebron made more Finals while playing with 0 help and beat the greatest team of all time in '16 while leading both teams in every major statistic. He's the GOAT.

+1

[And1AllDay]

Russell Westbrook has more scoring titles than Larry Bird
Carmello Anthony has more scoring titles than Larry Bird
Allen Iverson has more scoring titles than Larry Bird

Thanks for your retarded take :lol

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[RogueBorg]

But he got double the rebounds and assists MJ did.

How many points would LeBron have if he focused just on scoring?

Do you just make stuff up whenever you feel like it?

In Jordan's playoff career he averaged 6.5 rpg and 5.8 apg. For Lebron to have doubled him in 179 games he would have to have averaged over 13 rpg and 11.6 apg which he did neither.

Nice try.

[RogueBorg]

Wilt Chamberlain was a better scorer than Jordan, a better rebounder in both a relative and absolute sense, a better passer, and a better defensive player. Jordan won one DPOY, but if it existed in Wilt’s era, he probably would’ve won four (1967, 68, 72, and 73).





The only reason Wilt's scoring average went down is that he was asked to do other things. He could have averaged 40 for his career which would have left Jordan in the dust.

There is no case for Wilt winning a DPOY over Russell in the 60's or Kareem in the 70's when Wilt was old. None

[RogueBorg]

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Lebron is playing in the toughest era in basketball history. Jordan went up against car mechanics and beat a bunch of nobodies.


Lebron made more Finals while playing with 0 help and beat the greatest team of all time in '16 while leading both teams in every major statistic. He's the GOAT.

C'mon be real. When Russell Westbrook is averaging triple-doubles on 3 different occasions when it was done only once prior in the entire history of the league. It tells you how weak this era is.

[And1AllDay]

Does anyone care to pipe up?

Short Answer:
MJ has no argument over LBJ. LBJ is the better scorer by a wide margin.


Long Answer:
LeBron has:

- More regular season points

- More playoff points

- Better scoring longevity (25ppg on 50% in his 18th season, Jordan was 20ppg on 40% by Year 15)

- Higher FG % in regular season and playoffs

- Higher 3 point %

- Higher ppg average in elimination games

- Higher ppg average in Game 7s

guys? ne1?

[2much_knowledge]

LeBron has:

- More regular season points

- More playoff points

- Better scoring longevity (25ppg on 50% in his 18th season, Jordan was 20ppg on 40% by Year 15)

- Higher FG % in regular season and playoffs

- Higher 3 point %

- Higher ppg average in elimination games

- Higher ppg average in Game 7s



He was a better scorer in every way

Playing more

Playing more

Shooting closer to the rim


Thats it

[Shooter]

Playing more

Playing more

Shooting closer to the rim


Thats it

Yikes

Why didnt Mike play more? Why didn't he just get closer?

Why hasn't anyone else done this?

[2much_knowledge]

Yikes

Why didnt Mike play more? Why didn't he just get closer?

Why hasn't anyone else done this?

No need to explain that, everyone should know by now

He didn't rely on bulldozing or bully ball or his strength to score. Simply a more versatile scorer

[Shooter]

No need to explain that, everyone should know by now

He didn't rely on bulldozing or bully ball or his strength to score. Simply a more versatile scorer

And by versatile you mean lesser? Gotcha, thanks.

[And1AllDay]

def not his competition :oldlol:


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[baudkarma]

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Lebron is playing in the toughest era in basketball history. Jordan went up against car mechanics and beat a bunch of nobodies.


Lebron made more Finals while playing with 0 help and beat the greatest team of all time in '16 while leading both teams in every major statistic. He's the GOAT.

You're losing focus here. The question isn't whether LeBron is the GOAT. There are compelling arguments that can be made that he is. The opinion posted by OP is that LeBron is a greater scorer than MJ. He's not.

LeBron is not playing in the toughest era in NBA history. He may be playing in the most competitive era in NBA history, but that's not quite the same thing. In the last decade the NBA has new rules, new referees guidelines, that give offensive players all sorts of advantages. LeBron takes advantage of this, as any smart player would. If you want to see how the NBA looked back in the day go to Youtube and find the time that Kevin McHale clotheslined Kurt Rambis. If a player tried that today he'd be facing a multiple game suspension. Back then? Just another foul. Walk it off.