Porzingas is 100% correct about Luka - how you gonna build an effective team with...

[3ball]

1 guy dominating the rock?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k04LZ2sjjkI&t=0m11s


Broussard and Parker are confused and wrong on their take of Porzingas of course... :rolleyes:

I remember the shots that Porzingas got against Clippers - they were rushed spot-ups - tough shots for a player like Porzingas who is worthy of a bigger role (and the team can't reach it's ceiling without it).

Why can't Luka get the same production with half the hold time like Donovan Mitchell or MJ, so Porzingas can reach his capacity?.. Luka simply lacks their skills (off-ball, elite jumpshooting skill, post).. Luka broke the record for hold-time against the Clippers.

[Manny98]

Porzingas is a victim of Luka Ball

[Overdrive]

I wonder who this thinly veiled attack is against...

[tontoz]

What team led the league in offensive efficiency last year? I can't remember.

[AirBonner]

I wonder who won the chip last year

[Joey Turnbuckle]

Tim Hardaway manages to score.

Porzingis might as well camp out at the 3 on offense because he sucks offensively in the paint and based on his poor defensive rebounding, they aren't missing much from him if he isn't in the paint on offense to rebound.


It seems like a bad match since Porzingis can only seem to be able to produce when it's designed for him. Pacers probably don't want Porzingis but if Mavs could find 3rd team that wants him, Myles Turner is who the Mavs should be trying to make a deal for him. He is more than happy to protect the rim defensively and take jump shots offensively while being fed open looks. Myles Turner is a catch and shoot scorer which is perfectly suited for Luka who is always distributing.

[AirBonner]

Zinger was literally missing layups at 7’3. There is no wonder why Luka was waving him off but op doesn’t watch games so…

[Sarcastic]

Can't win with his usage. Only Jordan has ever won with above 37% usage. Everyone else lost.

[tontoz]

For the record during the regular season KP averaged 20 with a career high TS of 58%, when he actually.decided to play.

Then he stinks it up in the playoffs and wants to point the finger at someone else instead of owning it.

[tpols]

Zingis is a huge bust though.

He has no elite off ball game and on ball he's a stiff. Imagine this guy trying to weave off ball ala Chef or Reggie. Plus his ISO game is a joke too. He's stiff, slow, and inaccurate.

The only reason Porzingis was recruited as highly as he was in the NBA was because he's tall and can shoot stand still very well for that height.

He doesn't get the hate but he's a Darko level bust. Total relative failure based on his draft pick.

[Spurs m8]

For the record during the regular season KP averaged 20 with a career high TS of 58%, when he actually.decided to play.

Then he stinks it up in the playoffs and wants to point the finger at someone else instead of owning it.

Yep

[baudkarma]

Zinger was literally missing layups at 7’3. There is no wonder why Luka was waving him off but op doesn’t watch games so…

Fair enough. But Carlisle should have realized that his team had no chance against the Clips in game 7 unless KP was involved in a meaningful way. He should have made sure that Luka got to the ball to Kristaps at least 3-4 times in the first quarter, to get KP engaged. Would that have backfired spectacularly? Yep, probably. But the Mavs weren't going to win with KP standing on the wing and waiting to see if he'd get to touch the ball this possession.

[3ball]

Zingis is a huge bust though.

He has no elite off ball game and on ball he's a stiff. Imagine this guy trying to weave off ball ala Chef or Reggie. Plus his ISO game is a joke too. He's stiff, slow, and inaccurate.

The only reason Porzingis was recruited as highly as he was in the NBA was because he's tall and can shoot stand still very well for that height.

He doesn't get the hate but he's a Darko level bust. Total relative failure based on his draft pick.


Porzingas averaged 14, 18, and 23 in his first 3 seasons and was easily better than 88-91' Pippen

Maybe the ACL hurt Porzingis , but his talent looks super to me - it's just Luka-ball destroying him

[SouBeachTalents]

He doesn't get the hate but he's a Darko level bust
That is absolutely ridiculous :oldlol: Darko literally accomplished nothing in the NBA, Porzingis has averaged over 20 ppg the last 3 seasons and has been an All-Star. I don't disagree with you about his flaws and he's coming off a dreadful series, but to equate him to an all time bust like Darko is preposterous

[LAVAR BALL]

Keep in mind the damn Knicks traded him despite their thirst for a "Star"
I doubt Luka is the one making him average 5 boards a game

[ShawkFactory]

Porzingas averaged 14, 18, and 23 in his first 3 seasons and was easily better than 88-91' Pippen

Maybe the ACL hurt Porzingis , but his talent looks super to me - it's just Luka-ball destroying him
His advances numbers this year were they best they’ve been in his career. And his scoring was right on par.

[ImKobe]

Something had to have happened to Porzingis' health because he was killing the Clippers last year with Luka playing the same way + he had a decent RS as a 20 ppg 2nd option this season. I don't think it's Luka's fault, Kristaps didn't look as engaged in most of these games, looked like he was avoiding contact. He'd get the ball in the high post and just pass it away immediately, he wasn't looking to attack at all.

[hold this L]

Something had to have happened to Porzingis' health because he was killing the Clippers last year with Luka playing the same way + he had a decent RS as a 20 ppg 2nd option this season. I don't think it's Luka's fault, Kristaps didn't look as engaged in most of these games, looked like he was avoiding contact. He'd get the ball in the high post and just pass it away immediately, he wasn't looking to attack at all.
Players either don't immediately get engaged or get sick of playing with people that hog the ball at a historical level though. Injuries and the latter are the case with Porzingis. That's why from the all time usg list, only 1 year of MJ and Lebron are in top 10, and the Lebron is there during the year Love/Kyrie got hurt. He was carrying an all time usg % during the final to bring the average up. Everyone else there is a 1st round loser, including both seasons from Luka.

[Wally450]

How would OP know this when he doesn't watch basketball today?

[ELITEpower23]

I wonder who won the chip last year

[tontoz]

Players either don't immediately get engaged or get sick of playing with people that hog the ball at a historical level though.

Funny how this sickness didn't appear until after he wet his pants in the playoffs.

[ImKobe]

Players either don't immediately get engaged or get sick of playing with people that hog the ball at a historical level though. Injuries and the latter are the case with Porzingis. That's why from the all time usg list, only 1 year of MJ and Lebron are in top 10, and the Lebron is there during the year Love/Kyrie got hurt. He was carrying an all time usg % during the final to bring the average up. Everyone else there is a 1st round loser, including both seasons from Luka.

But there's no way the Mavs would be competitive against the Clippers if Luka didn't give them 35 a game on top of his playmaking, Clippers are a great defensive team too, and they let Luka dominate the first 3 quarters and would trap him and force his teammates to beat them in the 4th, which the Mavs had no issue with in most games, but they relied on their 3PT shooting to keep up with the Clippers' shooters, and the Clippers shot it better in Game 6 & 7 and Kawhi didn't miss a shot in those two 4th quarters.

Game 6 - Mavs are up 4 points going into the 4th, Kawhi scores 12 pts on 100%FG, Clippers shoot 3/7 from 3 while Luka goes for 12 pts on 5/8 FG, but Mavs only shoot 3/12 from 3 and they gave up the 4pt lead in the 3 minutes that Luka and Kawhi both rested.

Game 7 - Mavs down 15 going into the 4th, Luka scores 11 pts on 4/8 FG but the Mavs shoot 2/8 from 3 and don't cut into the lead.

It's a different story if Hardaway doesn't go 4/11 and 1/9 from 3 in those two games. Marcus ****ing Morris made 7 out of 9 threes and Luke Kennard comes off the bench and hits 3 out of 5 threes in a Game 7 while Mavs go 10/36 as a team(5/25 if you take away Luka's 3PT shooting), Mavs simply got outgunned.

[hold this L]

But there's no way the Mavs would be competitive against the Clippers if Luka didn't give them 35 a game on top of his playmaking, Clippers are a great defensive team too, and they let Luka dominate the first 3 quarters and would trap him and force his teammates to beat them in the 4th, which the Mavs had no issue with in most games, but they relied on their 3PT shooting to keep up with the Clippers' shooters, and the Clippers shot it better in Game 6 & 7 and Kawhi didn't miss a shot in those two 4th quarters.

Game 6 - Mavs are up 4 points going into the 4th, Kawhi scores 12 pts on 100%FG, Clippers shoot 3/7 from 3 while Luka goes for 12 pts on 5/8 FG, but Mavs only shoot 3/12 from 3 and they gave up the 4pt lead in the 3 minutes that Luka and Kawhi both rested.

Game 7 - Mavs down 15 going into the 4th, Luka scores 11 pts on 4/8 FG but the Mavs shoot 2/8 from 3 and don't cut into the lead.

It's a different story if Hardaway doesn't go 4/11 and 1/9 from 3 in those two games. Marcus ****ing Morris made 7 out of 9 threes and Luke Kennard comes off the bench and hits 3 out of 5 threes in a Game 7 while Mavs go 10/36 as a team(5/25 if you take away Luka's 3PT shooting), Mavs simply got outgunned.
Players are always going to be off over a long series when you play with ball dominant players. Same thing happened with Warriors vs Rockets. Beginning of the series, Rockets non-stars were putting them in. Once the games got tight in the latter stages, it was a wrap. Reality is this series only got this long is because Hardaway was basically shooting like a suped-up Curry for the first two games playing way, way above his capabilities. He and the rest of the team turned into dust in the end, just like Rockets role players vs Warriors. Just look at those last two games, Mavs players are just standing around play after play. It's only when they get the ball and just shoot it.

Maybe Mavs lose by less than 7 if Luka tries to play team ball but the way he played in the PS both years, Mavs are never winning a chip even if they get better players. But I'd like to see how Doncic plays once some all stars join him.

[hold this L]

Funny how this sickness didn't appear until after he wet his pants in the playoffs.
Did he wet his pants in last year's playoffs?

[ImKobe]

Players are always going to be off over a long series when you play with ball dominant players. Same thing happened with Warriors vs Rockets. Beginning of the series, Rockets non-stars were putting them in. Once the games got tight in the latter stages, it was a wrap. Reality is this series only got this long is because Hardaway was basically shooting like a suped-up Curry for the first two games playing way, way above his capabilities. He and the rest of the team turned into dust in the end, just like Rockets role players vs Warriors. Just look at those last two games, Mavs players are just standing around play after play. It's only when they get the ball and just shoot it.

Maybe Mavs lose by less than 7 if Luka tries to play team ball but the way he played in the PS both years, Mavs are never winning a chip even if they get better players. But I'd like to see how Doncic plays once some all stars join him.

Both teams shot open 3s off passes, it's not like Marcus Morris was out there dribbling the ball either, Hardaway got the rock almost every time they trapped Luka and him and Finney-Smith were both wide open on their 3s, as was Porzingis and Kleber. They went up 2 - 0 in the series because they were making their open looks at at an above-average rate while the Clippers couldn't keep up and it flipped in the 2nd half of the series.

Why would Luka not dominate the ball on a team that doesn't have other great ball-handlers? They move the ball well on the perimeter and find the open man about as well as any other team in the league but they don't have that 2nd ball-handler to take the pressure off Luka. You wouldn't want THJ handling the ball against an elite defense on a consistent basis, that's not going to work either. They shouldn't have traded Curry for Richardson.

[King Baron]

Remember when Porzingis pulled up for a three on a fast break when they had a 2 on 1? That had nothing to do with anyone's usage rate.

[Spain_]

Porzingis is skinny Olynyk now, it is what it is, he ought to stfu and be happy he got the contract he has because he was good at one point.

[tontoz]

Did he wet his pants in last year's playoffs?

No, and he didn't complain last year either.

He only complained after he had a crap series. Maybe he should look in the mirror.

[hold this L]

Both teams shot open 3s off passes, it's not like Marcus Morris was out there dribbling the ball either, Hardaway got the rock almost every time they trapped Luka and him and Finney-Smith were both wide open on their 3s, as was Porzingis and Kleber. They went up 2 - 0 in the series because they were making their open looks at at an above-average rate while the Clippers couldn't keep up and it flipped in the 2nd half of the series.

Why would Luka not dominate the ball on a team that doesn't have other great ball-handlers? They move the ball well on the perimeter and find the open man about as well as any other team in the league but they don't have that 2nd ball-handler to take the pressure off Luka. You wouldn't want THJ handling the ball against an elite defense on a consistent basis, that's not going to work either. They shouldn't have traded Curry for Richardson.
They did a usg all time of players who had it higher than anyone else. Luka is already in the top 10 twice, I think this season 2nd all time. Outside of Lebron in 16 and MJ I think in 2016, every other situation resulted in a round 1 exit. You're trying to make it relative, it's not. Players pass the ball around even if it's for 1-2 seconds instead of how Luka plays, which is in many ways like Harden did when he acted like a massive ballhog.

Nobody has a feel for the ball when he plays like he did this last series.


No, and he didn't complain last year either.

He only complained after he had a crap series. Maybe he should look in the mirror.
Of course the main blame is on him, but he looks like someone that doesn't care. Which could happen when your star player is a super ball dominant ballhog. If Luka doesn't change his playstyle in the next 2-3 years, there's going to be a lot more people saying what I wrote.

[ImKobe]

They did a usg all time of players who had it higher than anyone else. Luka is already in the top 10 twice, I think this season 2nd all time. Outside of Lebron in 16 and MJ I think in 2016, every other situation resulted in a round 1 exit. You're trying to make it relative, it's not. Players pass the ball around even if it's for 1-2 seconds instead of how Luka plays, which is in many ways like Harden did when he acted like a massive ballhog.

But they're forced to do so on teams with mediocre talent, right? Once MJ and Lebron got another great ball-handler or a great supporting cast around them, they adapted and won championships.

I don't think that Luka Ball is a recipe for a future dynasty, but I do think that he could win that way in today's NBA if he gets enough 3PT shooting from his teammates. Porzingis just isn't an ideal fit, I'd rather trade him for a perimeter player to take the pressure off Luka. If you saw him play in Europe, he wasn't that ball dominant. He won in Real Madrid with Rudy and he won the 2017 EuroBasket playing unselfish basketball next to Dragic.

[tontoz]

Of course the main blame is on him, but he looks like someone that doesn't care. Which could happen when your star player is a super ball dominant ballhog. If Luka doesn't change his playstyle in the next 2-3 years, there's going to be a lot more people saying what I wrote.

KP averaged 20 ppg with that super dominant ball hog during the season with career high efficiency.

KP shot 30% from 3 and got only 5.4 rebounds per game against the Clippers. Can't blame Luka for that.