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Im Still Ballin
06-10-2021, 04:04 PM
Apparently this bothers some people. Accusations of cultural appropriation. I'm not sure how I stand on this issue. I do find it sort of weird that people would open up a restaurant based on an ethnicity, when they're not that ethnicity themselves. Seems kind of odd, in my opinion.

But is it wrong? I don't know. Weird, but not illegal.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47892747

Earlier this week, a restaurant in New York made headlines for rather unfortunate reasons.

Lucky Lee's, a new Chinese restaurant run by a Jewish-American couple, advertised itself as providing "clean" Chinese food with healthy ingredients that wouldn't make people feel "bloated and icky the next day".

It told Eater website: "There are very few American-Chinese places as mindful about the quality of ingredients as we are."

It prompted a fierce backlash on social media from people who accused the restaurant of racist language, cultural appropriation, and a lack of understanding of Chinese food.

The restaurant's Instagram account was besieged with thousands of angry comments, including some which questioned the credentials of a white couple running a Chinese restaurant - as well as comments from defenders who accused the "online slacktivists" of being easily offended, and targeting the restaurateurs simply because of their race.



https://reason.com/2017/05/23/someone-created-a-list-of-ethnic-restaur/

If you're a white person, you have no business running a restaurant that serves Asian, Latin, African, or Indian cuisine.

That's according to the creators of a "white-owned appropriative restaurants" list, which accuses several Oregon establishments of engaging in cultural appropriation—a tool of "a white supremacist culture."

The list, a Google Docs spreadsheet, includes about 60 Portland-area restaurants, the names of their white owners, and the kind of cuisine they serve. (For example, the list informs us that Burmasphere "was founded by a white man who ate Burmese food in San Francisco.") The spreadsheet also lists competing restaurants that are owned by people of color and urges customers to try them instead.

"This is NOT about cooking at home or historical influences on cuisines; it's about profit, ownership, and wealth in a white supremacist culture," wrote the spreadsheet's authors. "These white-owned businesses hamper the ability for POC [people of color] to run successful businesses of their own (cooking their own cuisines) by either consuming market share with their attempt at authenticity or by modifying foods to market to white palates. Their success further perpetuates the problems stated above. It's a cyclical pattern that will require intentional behavior change to break."

The spreadsheet seems to be a response to the controversy over Kooks Burritos, a Portland-area pop-up food truck run by two white women. In an interview with Williamette Week, Kooks owners Kali Wilgus and Liz Connelly explained how they fell in love with authentic Mexican tortillas during a visit to Puerto Nuevo, Mexico.

"I picked the brains of every tortilla lady there in the worst broken Spanish ever, and they showed me a little of what they did," said Connelly. "They told us the basic ingredients, and we saw them moving and stretching the dough similar to how pizza makers do before rolling it out with rolling pins. They wouldn't tell us too much about technique, but we were peeking into the windows of every kitchen, totally fascinated by how easy they made it look. We learned quickly it isn't quite that easy."

Reactions to the interview were hostile, to say the least. Commenters trashed the pair. The Portland Mercury slammed their actions as intellectual property theft. Mic's Jamilah King described Kooks' methods as "either genius or the latest example of white folks profiting off the labor of people of color." Connelly and Wilgus eventually shuttered the truck.

It's not clear who is behind the spreadsheet, but the authors claim it was compiled "by several people of color." I reached out for a comment and received this response: "Sorry, we are not taking media inquiries."

When people criticize cultural appropriation, they are often irritated that a non-ethnic person has pilfered an ethnic tradition in an insufficiently authentic manner. That's not exactly the case here. Say what you will about Wilgus and Connelly—peeking into windows was certainly rude—but it sounds like their burritos were pretty darn accurate. They went to the trouble of learning how a native Mexican would cook them. The same may well be true of some of the restaurants on the spreadsheet. Who knows: Some of them might even employ nonwhite cooks who are in fact preparing their own traditional cuisines.

Anyway, if you're saying that white people shouldn't serve ethnic food at all, even if it's really authentic and popular with customers, you're going to drastically shrink the pool of non-ethnic people trying, eating, and learning about, ethnic cuisines. That might satisfy the enemies of cultural appropriation, but it doesn't seem like it would ultimately be in the best interests of anyone, including the ethnic restaurateurs.

JohnnySic
06-10-2021, 04:09 PM
Losers gonna loser. I doubt any actual Chinese people care if white people open up a Chinese restaurant. They'd probably be flattered.

Im Still Ballin
06-10-2021, 04:11 PM
Losers gonna loser. I doubt any actual Chinese people care if white people open up a Chinese restaurant. They'd probably be flattered.

Wait, who are the losers? Are the white people opening ethnic restaurants losers? Or those complaining about them?

JohnnySic
06-10-2021, 04:11 PM
Wait, who are the losers? Are the white people opening ethnic restaurants losers? Or those complaining about them?

Those complaining obviously.

Patrick Chewing
06-10-2021, 04:15 PM
Apparently this bothers some people. Accusations of cultural appropriation. I'm not sure how I stand on this issue. I do find it sort of weird that people would open up a restaurant based on an ethnicity, when they're not that ethnicity themselves.

Why is it weird? Imagine if you're a culinary chef and you're prohibited from opening up a restaurant because you choose to cook foods from different backgrounds other than your own. People who get upset over this are idiots.

Complaining about cultural appropriation is a form of racism. You're prohibiting someone from doing something because of the color of their skin and/or background.

Stanley Kobrick
06-10-2021, 08:08 PM
the most valued menu item at a gringo Mexican restaurant is mountain dew baja blast. i think we can all agree on that

diamenz
06-10-2021, 08:58 PM
idc if you're a transexual eskimo, if you've some fire recipes than cook that shit up.

Phong
06-10-2021, 09:44 PM
People should be allowed to cook whatever they want. However, the owners should have known that talking shit about other Chinese restaurants wouldn't end well. Let the food do the talking.

kenneth_griffin
06-11-2021, 12:04 AM
just ask for some rat poop and extra spicy salsa and you won't know the difference

iamgine
06-11-2021, 12:32 AM
This is the same question as "Do you have a problem with Japanese opening cowboy boots and hats store?" or "Do you have a problem with a Mexican opening a store selling samurai swords replica?"

It's unusual but nothing wrong with it.

bobopenguin
06-11-2021, 01:01 AM
This is the same question as "Do you have a problem with Japanese opening cowboy boots and hats store?" or "Do you have a problem with a Mexican opening a store selling samurai swords replica?"

It's unusual but nothing wrong with it.

how about this, "do u have problem with black ppl runs a local manual labour crop harvesting company?"
i bet lot of woke mobs will scream at this.

west_tip
06-11-2021, 01:49 AM
This is the type of dumb shit that left wing losers with infinite time on their hands get worked up about. They need to get a hobby.

I know of a Mexican restaurant here in Sacramento, CA run by Lebanese brothers and I don't see the problem. If the food and service is good that is all that matters.

Overdrive
06-11-2021, 07:55 AM
This seems like an american only problem. Nobody here gives a shit who runs which kind of restaurant.

Derka
06-11-2021, 10:14 AM
Any white people screaming that whites can't open good Mexican restaurants can eat the entirety of Rick Bayless' monstrous dick. Skip's younger brother has been one of the leading practitioners of Mexican cuisine in the states for decades. Meanwhile, I've been to Mexican joints run by Mexicans that served food that I wouldn't give to my dogs.

The amount of cognitive dissonance Americans have towards the inner workings of restaurant industry is stunning. Some of the best Italian and French restaurants in NYC, places where bougey white women can't wait to Yelp about "Like, omg the best plate of carbonara I've ever had" run kitchens that are staffed almost entirely by Central American immigrants with grade school educations who couldn't find Italy on a map with a gun to their heads.

Patrick Chewing
06-11-2021, 10:23 AM
Any white people screaming that whites can't open good Mexican restaurants can eat the entirety of Rick Bayless' monstrous dick. Skip's younger brother has been one of the leading practitioners of Mexican cuisine in the states for decades. Meanwhile, I've been to Mexican joints run by Mexicans that served food that I wouldn't give to my dogs.

The amount of cognitive dissonance Americans have towards the inner workings of restaurant industry is stunning. Some of the best Italian and French restaurants in NYC, places where bougey white women can't wait to Yelp about "Like, omg the best plate of carbonara I've ever had" run kitchens that are staffed almost entirely by Central American immigrants with grade school educations who couldn't find Italy on a map with a gun to their heads.

Back home in Miami, the best Cuban restaurants have Haitians or South Americans in the kitchen cooking the food.


Just a stupid non-issue created by effeminate male Liberals like OP.

Joey Turnbuckle
06-11-2021, 10:26 AM
People should cook and sell whatever the hell they want, even meth.


It's a free country... people that have a problem with it are free to go f*ck themselves.

Im Still Ballin
06-11-2021, 10:28 AM
Back home in Miami, the best Cuban restaurants have Haitians or South Americans in the kitchen cooking the food.


Just a stupid non-issue created by effeminate male Liberals like OP.

C'mon man. Let's leave personal attacks out of this.

JohnnySic
06-11-2021, 12:46 PM
Any white people screaming that whites can't open good Mexican restaurants can eat the entirety of Rick Bayless' monstrous dick. Skip's younger brother has been one of the leading practitioners of Mexican cuisine in the states for decades. Meanwhile, I've been to Mexican joints run by Mexicans that served food that I wouldn't give to my dogs.

The amount of cognitive dissonance Americans have towards the inner workings of restaurant industry is stunning. Some of the best Italian and French restaurants in NYC, places where bougey white women can't wait to Yelp about "Like, omg the best plate of carbonara I've ever had" run kitchens that are staffed almost entirely by Central American immigrants with grade school educations who couldn't find Italy on a map with a gun to their heads.

I worked at an Italian restaurant just like that. :oldlol:

Lakers Legend#32
06-12-2021, 12:01 AM
Most people have a problem with white people.

Joey Turnbuckle
06-12-2021, 12:47 AM
Most people have a problem with white people.

Most people in the country are white.


Feel free to take your ungrateful racist ass elsewhere.

Lakers Legend#32
06-12-2021, 01:03 AM
Most people in the country are white.


Feel free to take your ungrateful racist ass elsewhere.

White people only see racism when it is geared at them.

theman93
06-12-2021, 01:13 AM
White people only see racism when it is geared at them.

Why do you care about racism when you’re a racist yourself?

Smoke117
06-12-2021, 02:30 AM
Only an idiot would have a problem with that. If the food is good who cares who is making it.

Axe
06-12-2021, 12:12 PM
C'mon man. Let's leave personal attacks out of this.
It seems you've pissed him off badly via Mr. Woke. :(

1987_Lakers
06-12-2021, 03:04 PM
Not at all, as long as the food is good.

I will say that white people in general don't know what good Mexican food is, there is this Mexican place downtown that is always packed with white people, food is very "meh" to me and most Mexicans, but the white people love it.

baudkarma
06-12-2021, 05:08 PM
I don't have a problem so long as the restaurant is respectful of the people and the culture of whichever style of cuisine they're going to serve. The Jewish couple in the first example were clearly implying that if you chose to go eat at one of their competitors, you were rolling the dice with your food. Who knows what might be in there? Nope, better come to the place owned and managed by two white people. They deserved whatever flak they got. And hell, it's a lot of free publicity... right?

It's hardly the worst offender, however. There's a restaurant chain in Florida called PoFolks. Take a look at their menu.

http://www.pofolks.net/menu-dinner.aspx

I hardly know where to start. The intentionally misspelled words. The mind-numbingly stupid hillbilly metaphors. This is gleefully lampooning American Southern culture and reinforcing every negative stereotype. We can clearly see from this menu that Southerners are uneducated, and also not very bright. I"m surprised there's no "kissing your sister" joke in there... and hell, maybe there is. I didn't read the whole thing.

If you don't see why this is so offensive, imagine someone opening up a Mexican or soul food restaurant and doing the same thing on their menu. Intentional misspellings to imply that the group is not very smart. Descriptions that reinforce negative stereotypes. They'd have a riot on their hands. But PoFolks is somehow allowed to get away with all of this. I'm sure the consulting firm in New York or Los Angeles or wherever thought they were being funny and clever.

Axe
06-12-2021, 09:07 PM
Not at all, as long as the food is good.

I will say that white people in general don't know what good Mexican food is, there is this Mexican place downtown that is always packed with white people, food is very "meh" to me and most Mexicans, but the white people love it.
They must have awful taste buds.