Sourced quotes from people in the NBA talking candidly about Pippen

[3ball]

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BILL LAIMBEER:


"We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordanaires. And you can't win championships like that, with only one player."."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/the-jordan-rules-what-the-last-dance-documentary-doesnt-say-about-pistons-defense-against-michael-jordan/amp/



SHAQ TALKING ABOUT PIPPEN:


"I don't let bums (https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2533220-shaquille-oneal-sounds-off-on-scottie-pippen-while-explaining-instagram-feud.amp.html) disrespect me..."

"Don't make me pull up the scouting report. You wasn't even a factor on the scouting report. It was all about Mike."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2533220-shaquille-oneal-sounds-off-on-scottie-pippen-while-explaining-instagram-feud.amp.html

"You did okay, but MJ did most of the work"

"yes THE GREAT MICHAEL JORDAN GOT YOU SIX RINGS , but you will always be remembered as MR 2nd FIDDLE."

"See what happens when Michael Jordan ain't protecting you, you lose a 17 pt lead in the fourth quarter." (referring to 2000 WCF Game 7)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thewrap.com/nba-star-shaquille-oneal-slams-scotty-pippin-in-social-media-squabble/amp/



JERRY KRAUSE, BULLS GM:


“Would Pippen have been great someplace else?

Michael absolutely killed Scottie in practice every day for his first two years. Mike just tore Pip up. He made Pip learn how to compete and forced him into playing hard. Had there not been someone to challenge Scottie like that, I’m not sure what would’ve happened to him... No, Michael made him a man.

Michael made him a man and Doug [Collins] did a great job with him in his first year. And he - Collins - had Michael to beat on him for a year every day in practice and Michael beat him to death."

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5453558



CHUCK DALY:


"It doesn't entail me playing you necessarily... it's our 5.... playing... you."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gCMWuCdsGQ&t=27m41s



CHUCK DALY:


"We knew how dangerous he was and we knew going into the playoffs that we had to do something special.. So we most definitely devised what we called "the Jordan Rules""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m49s



BILL LAIMBEER:


"The Jordan Rules were to just stop him, because no one else could beat you on that ballclub"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2v0LOhjsJs&t=1m22s



PHIL JACKSON:


"Don't leave Michael all alone here. It's not time YET."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WeAUz2dZ_NQ&t=30m20s

This was Phil Jackson during a huddle in the 1991 NBA Finals, showing how the everyday game plan was to leave Michael alone and let him do everything down the stretch of games.



DUMARS AND ISIAH:


"Isiah said he sat out by the water for 4-5 hours (thinking about MJ)".

"Dumars and i were on the phone for hours, talking about 23 in red."

"Isiah called me at 3 in the morning and said 'I think i finally figured out a way to stop MJ"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h05m33s

This was Dumars' and Isiah's reaction to the Bulls taking 2-1 series lead in 1989 ECF after MJ hit GW over Rodman.. The last quote is from assistant coach Brendan Malone, who said that Isiah called at 3 am to talk about stopping MJ.



HORACE GRANT:


"If it wasn't for MJ, I don't think I'd be sitting here right now. I mean, would've had a decent career, but for a leader like that to lead you to 3 championships..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aYOQVWSCY&t=14m44s


SCOTTIE PIPPEN:


"It was the pressure. As the pressure grew, the pounding grew. I wasn't able to answer the bell."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h22m15s

This was Pippen in the Bad Boys documentary ADMITTING he the pressure caused him to disappear in 1990 ECF Game 7 - this cost the Bulls a trip to the Finals and the ring - (Bulls would've beaten Blazers - Blazers lost in 5 easy games to Pistons, while Bulls took then 7.



Jordan had an established reputation for bummy casts and his carry-job identity is where terms like "supporting cast" and "jordannaires" literally originated.

So even if you're too young and weren't there, the quotes above sing the same song, along with the STATS, which always tell the story - if Lebron had "bums" in 2009 despite the #3 defense and an all-star teammate, then Jordan had bums in 1990 when he had the #19 defense and a far less productive all-star teammate (lower BPM, VORP, WS/48, PER, scoring, efficiency).

Ultimately, Jordan had the least supporting talent of any dynasty because he was forced to produce the most raw offensive production of all time (as measured by points + assists):

43.3 points and 7.4 assists per 100 possessions in the playoffs... no one is close.
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[Smoke117]

1-9

[SouBeachTalents]

1-9

[DoctorP]

Nobody cares

[MadDog]

There were a few titles the Bulls shouldn't have won. Utah was the better team in 98 and I still don't know how Chicago won that finals. The only thing that remotely makes sense, and carries actual weight, was Jordan carrying. MJ averaged 34 points which includes his masterful G6 closeout - where he poured in 45. The Bulls next best scorer was Pippen who put up 16 points. On 41% shooting.

I don't deny Pippen was good on defense, but he wasn't impacting that end like a big. Plus Jordan played pretty good defense himself. Jordan's offense though was the real determinate.

[2ball]

There were a few titles the Bulls shouldn't have won. Utah was the better team in 98 and I still don't know how Chicago won that finals. The only thing that remotely makes sense, and carries actual weight, was Jordan carrying. MJ averaged 34 points which includes his masterful G6 closeout - where he poured in 45. The Bulls next best scorer was Pippen who put up 16 points. On a 41% shooting.

I don't deny he Pippen was good on defense, but he wasn't impacting that end like a big. Plus Jordan played pretty good defense himself. Jordan's offense though was the real determinate.

Rodman got fmvp votes let that sink in

[SouBeachTalents]

There were a few titles the Bulls shouldn't have won. Utah was the better team in 98 and I still don't know how Chicago won that finals. The only thing that remotely makes sense, and carries actual weight, was Jordan carrying. MJ averaged 34 points which includes his masterful G6 closeout - where he poured in 45. The Bulls next best scorer was Pippen who put up 16 points. On 41% shooting.

I don't deny Pippen was good on defense, but he wasn't impacting that end like a big. Plus Jordan played pretty good defense himself. Jordan's offense though was the real determinate.
Jordan carried them in Game 6, but Pippen was getting a lot of praise for his play through the first 4 games before his injury. He was even getting consideration for FMVP

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-06-08-9806080106-story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/nba/longterm/1998/finals/articles/pippen09.htm

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1998-06-09-1998160010-story.html

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1998-06-09-9806090328-story.html

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-06-11-9806110398-story.html

https://www.deseret.com/1998/6/11/19385041/what-about-pippen-for-nba-finals-mvp

https://apnews.com/article/778ed9711147fd5917209bbf1c8c2091

[97 bulls]

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BILL LAIMBEER:


"We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordanaires. And you can't win championships like that, with only one player."."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/the-jordan-rules-what-the-last-dance-documentary-doesnt-say-about-pistons-defense-against-michael-jordan/amp/



SHAQ TALKING ABOUT PIPPEN:


"I don't let bums (https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2533220-shaquille-oneal-sounds-off-on-scottie-pippen-while-explaining-instagram-feud.amp.html) disrespect me..."

"Don't make me pull up the scouting report. You wasn't even a factor on the scouting report. It was all about Mike."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2533220-shaquille-oneal-sounds-off-on-scottie-pippen-while-explaining-instagram-feud.amp.html

"You did okay, but MJ did most of the work"

"yes THE GREAT MICHAEL JORDAN GOT YOU SIX RINGS , but you will always be remembered as MR 2nd FIDDLE."

"See what happens when Michael Jordan ain't protecting you, you lose a 17 pt lead in the fourth quarter." (referring to 2000 WCF Game 7)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thewrap.com/nba-star-shaquille-oneal-slams-scotty-pippin-in-social-media-squabble/amp/



JERRY KRAUSE, BULLS GM:


“Would Pippen have been great someplace else?

Michael absolutely killed Scottie in practice every day for his first two years. Mike just tore Pip up. He made Pip learn how to compete and forced him into playing hard. Had there not been someone to challenge Scottie like that, I’m not sure what would’ve happened to him... No, Michael made him a man.

Michael made him a man and Doug [Collins] did a great job with him in his first year. And he - Collins - had Michael to beat on him for a year every day in practice and Michael beat him to death."

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5453558



CHUCK DALY:


"It doesn't entail me playing you necessarily... it's our 5.... playing... you."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gCMWuCdsGQ&t=27m41s



CHUCK DALY:


"We knew how dangerous he was and we knew going into the playoffs that we had to do something special.. So we most definitely devised what we called "the Jordan Rules""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m49s



BILL LAIMBEER:


"The Jordan Rules were to just stop him, because no one else could beat you on that ballclub"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2v0LOhjsJs&t=1m22s



PHIL JACKSON:


"Don't leave Michael all alone here. It's not time YET."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WeAUz2dZ_NQ&t=30m20s

This was Phil Jackson during a huddle in the 1991 NBA Finals, showing how the everyday game plan was to leave Michael alone and let him do everything down the stretch of games.



DUMARS AND ISIAH:


"Isiah said he sat out by the water for 4-5 hours (thinking about MJ)".

"Dumars and i were on the phone for hours, talking about 23 in red."

"Isiah called me at 3 in the morning and said 'I think i finally figured out a way to stop MJ"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h05m33s

This was Dumars' and Isiah's reaction to the Bulls taking 2-1 series lead in 1989 ECF after MJ hit GW over Rodman.. The last quote is from assistant coach Brendan Malone, who said that Isiah called at 3 am to talk about stopping MJ.



HORACE GRANT:


"If it wasn't for MJ, I don't think I'd be sitting here right now. I mean, would've had a decent career, but for a leader like that to lead you to 3 championships..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aYOQVWSCY&t=14m44s


SCOTTIE PIPPEN:


"It was the pressure. As the pressure grew, the pounding grew. I wasn't able to answer the bell."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h22m15s

This was Pippen in the Bad Boys documentary ADMITTING he the pressure caused him to disappear in 1990 ECF Game 7 - this cost the Bulls a trip to the Finals and the ring - (Bulls would've beaten Blazers - Blazers lost in 5 easy games to Pistons, while Bulls took then 7.



Jordan had an established reputation for bummy casts and his carry-job identity is where terms like "supporting cast" and "jordannaires" literally originated.

So even if you're too young and weren't there, the quotes above sing the same song, along with the STATS, which always tell the story - if Lebron had "bums" in 2009 despite the #3 defense and an all-star teammate, then Jordan had bums in 1990 when he had the #19 defense and a far less productive all-star teammate (lower BPM, VORP, WS/48, PER, scoring, efficiency).

Ultimately, Jordan had the least supporting talent of any dynasty because he was forced to produce the most raw offensive production of all time (as measured by points + assists):

43.3 points and 7.4 assists per 100 possessions in the playoffs... no one is close.
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These were perceptions of Pippen in the late 80s. You posted these comments before. And all those guys changed their tunes as Pippen continued to play.

[JohnMax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9vFHYVXtRk

[MadDog]

Jordan carried them in Game 6, but Pippen was getting a lot of praise for his play through the first 4 games before his injury. He was even getting consideration for FMVP

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-06-08-9806080106-story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/nba/longterm/1998/finals/articles/pippen09.htm

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1998-06-09-1998160010-story.html

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1998-06-09-9806090328-story.html

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-06-11-9806110398-story.html

https://www.deseret.com/1998/6/11/19385041/what-about-pippen-for-nba-finals-mvp

https://apnews.com/article/778ed9711147fd5917209bbf1c8c2091

None of those links work dude. But I know about Pippen's early FMVP love. Do remember reading the defensive praise he got from Malone and Sloan. Pippen hurting his back between Game 4 and 5 reinforces what I am saying. The Bulls were gimpy and porous offensively. Jordan's scoring dragged them to a title.

[Hey Yo]

There were a few titles the Bulls shouldn't have won. Utah was the better team in 98 and I still don't know how Chicago won that finals. The only thing that remotely makes sense, and carries actual weight, was Jordan carrying. MJ averaged 34 points which includes his masterful G6 closeout - where he poured in 45. The Bulls next best scorer was Pippen who put up 16 points. On 41% shooting.

I don't deny Pippen was good on defense, but he wasn't impacting that end like a big. Plus Jordan played pretty good defense himself. Jordan's offense though was the real determinate.

Pippen was getting FMVP talk in local papers after game 4...

didn't see SB post above

[Reggie43]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9vFHYVXtRk

Fave basketball mix ever. Still have this saved on my phone.

[2ball]

1-9

[3ball]

Jordan carried them in Game 6, but Pippen was getting a lot of praise for his play through the first 4 games before his injury. He was even getting consideration for FMVP

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-06-08-9806080106-story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/nba/longterm/1998/finals/articles/pippen09.htm

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1998-06-09-1998160010-story.html

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1998-06-09-9806090328-story.html

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-06-11-9806110398-story.html

https://www.deseret.com/1998/6/11/19385041/what-about-pippen-for-nba-finals-mvp

https://apnews.com/article/778ed9711147fd5917209bbf1c8c2091


Those articles don't say Pippen should be FMVP

The 98' championship run was Jordan's 4th biggest carry-job after 89', 90', and 93'.

[2ball]

Pippen and Rodman got mvp votes

[3ball]

These were perceptions of Pippen in the late 80s. You posted these comments before. And all those guys changed their tunes as Pippen continued to play.


Those are quotes from 1990, when Pippen choked in the ECF

And the stats support the quotes - Lebron had "bums" in 2009 despite the #3 defense and an all-star teammate, then Jordan had bums in 1990 when he had the #19 defense and a far less productive all-star across the board (lower BPM, VORP, WS/48, PER, scoring, efficiency).

[97 bulls]

Those articles don't say Pippen should be FMVP

The 98' championship run was Jordan's 4th biggest carry-job after 89', 90', and 93'.

You conveniently avoid those articles like the plague. Like I told you before, your arguments are weak. Only you would relegate a players whole career to what he did in his first 2 years.

[97 bulls]

Those are quotes from 1990, when Pippen choked in the ECF

And the stats support the quotes - Lebron had "bums" in 2009 despite the #3 defense and an all-star teammate, then Jordan had bums in 1990 when he had the #19 defense and a far less productive all-star across the board (lower BPM, VORP, WS/48, PER, scoring, efficiency).

Lol. Fine 1990. The fact is that every person listed is one quote singing Pippens praises as his career progressed. Even with that link you sent from the Shaq/Pippen beef. Heres what Shaq also said


"Yeah, he was a great player but I'm the bridge, he's the water. He will always be under me. Every now and then he will rise to the occasion to get to the same level as the bridge but when reality kicks in, I'm bridge, he is water, he is under me. Scottie Pippen can't disrespect me."

Even when he being dissed hes still called a great player.

[SouBeachTalents]

Those articles don't say Pippen should be FMVP

The 98' championship run was Jordan's 4th biggest carry-job after 89', 90', and 93'.
Wrong


But if Pippen's defensive performance in Game 3 didn't convince you that he's worthy of being named MVP of the Finals, then what he did on both ends of the court in the Bulls' 86-82 Game 4 victory should have clinched the vote.


But if Chicago does win, the choice for MVP won’t be an easy one. Pippen, who’s finally stepped out of Jordan’s shadow during the playoffs. Without his superb defense, the Bulls might not have made it past Indiana in the Eastern Conference finals, and they likely wouldn’t have a 3-1 lead over the Jazz.


That versatility amazes ESPN basketball expert Dr. Jack Ramsay, a longtime coach in the NBA. Ramsay ranks Pippen among the outstanding defenders in the history of the game. Right there with K.C. Jones, Mel Hutchins, Satch Sanders and so on.

"I can't conjure up anybody who does all the things that Pippen does as a defender. I mean, he can defend anybody," Ramsay said. "We've seen him defend point guards and take them out of their game, two guards and deny them a shot, small forwards, big forwards.

And literally the headline of one of them


FINALS MVP? THIS TIME, PIPPEN DESERVES IT

[2ball]

3ball bamboozled again

[3ball]

Pippen and Rodman got mvp votes


Lies

[3ball]

Wrong







And literally the headline of one of them


Exactly 1 article actually suggested that Pippen should be FMVP, out of thousands

And it was after Game 3.. It's not an argument

Pippen was a liability and his inability to make shots or take advantage of the mismatch on Hornacek made the series close.. Anyone else that was offensively competent would've destroyed Hornacek and made the series a sweep.. People are just nice to poor Scottie and his 15 on 41%..

Jordan was unanimous FMVP, near as I can tell

[3ball]

Pippen's peak is 22/5 and 2nd Round loss - a top 1000 peak all-time

His low was the 98' Finals or 96' Finals (15 on 40%)

Only Jordan won Finals with that kind of help

[97 bulls]

Wrong







And literally the headline of one of them
John Salley on video saying Scottie Pippen was the most skilled player he played with. Not MJ, Kobe, Shaq, Thomas. PIPPEN.

https://youtu.be/t6Ie6oT8Q_k

[SouBeachTalents]

Lies
Wrong, again

https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1007986228770365441

[3ball]

Wrong, again

https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1007986228770365441


The poster I was responding to said Pippen got FMVP votes

That's hilarious

[97 bulls]

Exactly 1 article actually suggested that Pippen should be FMVP, out of thousands

And it was after Game 3.. It's not an argument

Pippen was a liability and his inability to make shots or take advantage of the mismatch on Hornacek made the series close.. Anyone else that was offensively competent would've destroyed Hornacek and made the series a sweep.. People are just nice to poor Scottie and his 15 on 41%..

Jordan was unanimous FMVP, near as I can tell

It was actually after game 4 when Pippen followed up arguably the greatest defensive performance in Finals history with a 28/9/5 showing. And it wasnt 1 article. New York Times LA Times two major Chicago papers in the Tribune and Sun Times, had Pippen as the front runner. All major newspaper outlets across the country.

It Pippen doesnt get hurt, he wins Finals MVP

[97 bulls]

Let me ask you a question 3ball, please grade Pippens 98 Finals performance games by game. Giving an A all the way down to an F.

[bladefd]

All I know is Mike was god in disguise of #23. That's all I know.

There wasn't any way Pippen could compare. It's not fair, not fair at all, to talk about Pippen in the same universe as Jordan.

[97 bulls]

All I know is Mike was god in disguise of #23. That's all I know.

There wasn't any way Pippen could compare. It's not fair, not fair at all, to talk about Pippen in the same universe as Jordan.

And this right here is the problem. Any credit given to Pippen is seen as a jab against Jordan. Nobody feels Pippen was on Jordans level.

[MadDog]

And this right here is the problem. Any credit given to Pippen is seen as a jab against Jordan. Nobody feels Pippen was on Jordans level.

No it isn't. Pippen gets plenty of credit. Problem with whiners like Pippen and fanboys like yourself, is that y'all want equal recognition. Pippen and Jordan were never 1a-1b. Throughout every Chicago postseason run, Pippen was Jordan's sidekick.

[97 bulls]

No it isn't. Pippen gets plenty of credit. Problem with whiners like Pippen and fanboys like yourself, is that y'all want equal recognition. Pippen and Jordan were never 1a-1b. Throughout every postseason run, Pippen was Jordan's sidekick.

It's not a matter of equal credit. So long as he gets full credit. Jordan was the best player on those Bulls teams. Yall dont want to honor that. That's why you trolls get that 1-9 argument.

[MadDog]

It's not a matter of equal credit. So long as he gets full credit. Jordan was the best player on those Bulls teams. Yall dont want to honor that. That's why you trolls get that 1-9 argument.

Pippen gets full credit. He can't cry about being a "sidekick" because that's what he was known as. His new memoir will try and distort history, but nobody who was around then will buy it. Fanboys might, but you guys are already delusional :oldlol:

[3ball]

Let me ask you a question 3ball, please grade Pippens 98 Finals performance games by game. Giving an A all the way down to an F.


Pippen's inability to make shots or take advantage of the mismatch on Hornacek made the series close.. Anyone else that was offensively competent would've destroyed Hornacek and made the series a sweep.. MJ/Pippen should obliterate Stockton/Hornacek, but they didn't because Pippen sucked.. D grade

Jordan was unanimous MVP for all 6 chips except 96', when the voters were confused - they gave Rodman a couple votes for letting Kemp dominate and nearly win FMVP??? Makes no sense.

[97 bulls]

Pippen's inability to make shots or take advantage of the mismatch on Hornacek made the series close.. Anyone else that was offensively competent would've destroyed Hornacek and made the series a sweep.. MJ/Pippen should obliterate Stockton/Hornacek, but they didn't because Pippen sucked.. D grade

Jordan was unanimous MVP for all 6 chips except 96', when the voters were confused - they gave Rodman a couple votes for letting Kemp dominate and nearly win FMVP??? Makes no sense.

Uhuh. I said GAME BY GAME.

[Lebron23]

Pippen's inability to make shots or take advantage of the mismatch on Hornacek made the series close.. Anyone else that was offensively competent would've destroyed Hornacek and made the series a sweep.. MJ/Pippen should obliterate Stockton/Hornacek, but they didn't because Pippen sucked.. D grade

Jordan was unanimous MVP for all 6 chips except 96', when the voters were confused - they gave Rodman a couple votes for letting Kemp dominate and nearly win FMVP??? Makes no sense.



Jordan was shooting bricks in 1996. if the Sonics played some good defense earlier in that series they could have won that series.

[Lebron23]

Pippen's inability to make shots or take advantage of the mismatch on Hornacek made the series close.. Anyone else that was offensively competent would've destroyed Hornacek and made the series a sweep.. MJ/Pippen should obliterate Stockton/Hornacek, but they didn't because Pippen sucked.. D grade

Jordan was unanimous MVP for all 6 chips except 96', when the voters were confused - they gave Rodman a couple votes for letting Kemp dominate and nearly win FMVP??? Makes no sense.

So you already admitted that Jordan played against weak competitions??

[3ball]

So you already admitted that Jordan played against weak competitions??


Stockton/Malone destroyed Duncan/Shaq and were basically back-to-back champs, so Stockton/MJ would win every single year.

Stockton is 8th all-time in BPM and has twice as many All-NBA accolades as Pippen.

Heck, Smits/Miller nearly beat the Bulls in 98' and played the 00' Lakers tight, so Smits/MJ win every year with that cast

See how easy this is?

[3ball]

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Thread Cliffs


3ball: here's the quotes and stats that show Pippen was bad

Lebron fan: 3 publications of millions in the country (print and online) thought Pippen was in the running for FMVP thru three games.... in 1 of the 6 Finals.

3ball: AND?

[97 bulls]

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Thread Cliffs


3ball: here's the quotes and stats that show Pippen was bad

Lebron fan: 3 publications of millions in the country (print and online) thought Pippen was in the running for FMVP thru three games.... in 1 of the 6 Finals.

3ball: AND?

Lol. Answer the question chicken. Grade Pippens game by game play for the 98 finals.

[And1AllDay]

1-9

[3ball]

Lol. Answer the question chicken. Grade Pippens game by game play for the 98 finals.


Game 1.... F (7-19... 1 assist. 5 TO... 0 clutch pts)
Game 2.... B
Game 3.... C
Game 4.... B
Game 5.... F
Game 6.... D (he tried)


(A's are for closers, kinda like coffee)

[MadDog]

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Thread Cliffs


3ball: here's the quotes and stats that show Pippen was bad

Lebron fan: 3 publications of millions in the country (print and online) thought Pippen was in the running for FMVP thru three games.... in 1 of the 6 Finals.

3ball: AND?

You should've brought up Isiah Thomas and the segment on Open Court. All those guys went in on Pippen. Called him out for what he was.

[97 bulls]

Ok. Now were getting somewhere.

Game 1 fine
Game 2 ok (I know that hurt)

Game 3 is a "C"? The game where the Bulls set the record for highest margin of victory? The game that everyone said was his most dominant? That's crazy.

Game 4? 28/9/5 get a B?

Game 5 he gets 11 rebounds and 11 assts and you still give him an F?

Game 6 he gets a D when he scores 8/3/4/2/1 in only 25 minutes and he was hurt?

You've exposed yourself bro.

I need to ask this question to the masses.

[97 bulls]

You should've brought up Isiah Thomas and the segment on Open Court. All those guys went in on Pippen. Called him out for what he was.

And again. That was the perception on 92. I'm a Pippen fan and I agree with Thomas. Based on what Pippen had done in his career up to that point.

[97 bulls]

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14351724]Ok. Now were getting somewhere.

Game 1 fine
Game 2 ok (I know that hurt)

Game 3 is a "C"? The game where the Bulls set the record for highest margin of victory? The game that everyone said was his most dominant? That's crazy.

Game 4? 28/9/5 get a B?

Game 5 he gets 11 rebounds and 11 assts and you still give him an F?

Game 6 he gets a D when he scores 8/3/4/2/1 in only 25 minutes and he was hurt?

And how do you rate game 3 a "C" but game 6 a "D" when he had the same stat line but played far less minutes in game 6.
You've exposed yourself bro.

I need to ask this question to the masses.

[MadDog]

And again. That was the perception on 92. I'm a Pippen fan and I agree with Thomas. Based on what Pippen had done in his career up to that point.

What perception?


m.youtube.com/watch?v=N6og_pOVi2w

And that was during the 93 finals. Magic and Isiah claimed their teams would've beaten Chicago. Reason being is they (Bulls) were a one man show. Not my words. There's.

[97 bulls]

What perception?


m.youtube.com/watch?v=N6og_pOVi2w

And that was during the 93 finals. Magic and Isiah claimed their teams would've beaten Chicago. Reason being is they (Bulls) were a one man show. Not my words. There's.

And I said I agreed with Thomas even in 93. 94 legitimized Pippen. After 94 and 95, Pippen got those guys respect. After 94, people saw that what Pippen did prior to that, was because he was a great basketball player.

But notice at the 2:30 mark Isiah Thomas mentioned how he succumbed to injuries. Hes another player that suited up injured and people acknowledged it. You need to rescind your statement.

[And1AllDay]

Ok. Now were getting somewhere.

Game 1 fine
Game 2 ok (I know that hurt)

Game 3 is a "C"? The game where the Bulls set the record for highest margin of victory? The game that everyone said was his most dominant? That's crazy.

Game 4? 28/9/5 get a B?

Game 5 he gets 11 rebounds and 11 assts and you still give him an F?

Game 6 he gets a D when he scores 8/3/4/2/1 in only 25 minutes and he was hurt?

You've exposed yourself bro.

I need to ask this question to the masses.

3baLLLLLLLLLL is a low iq fan

all he cares about is ppg when it fits his agenda

then he says bird is #2 all time and when you bring up how sh1tty bird is for ppg and he was out scored in 3 of his 5 finals by his own teammate he forgets about ppg :oldlol:

[MadDog]

And I said I agreed with Thomas even in 93. 94 legitimized Pippen. After 94 and 95, Pippen got those guys respect. After 94, people saw that what Pippen did prior to that, was because he was a great basketball player.

But notice at the 2:30 mark Isiah Thomas mentioned how he succumbed to injuries. Hes another player that suited up injured and people acknowledged it. You need to rescind your statement.

Weird take. From 91-93, Pippen played some of his best basketball. In the playoffs too.

And just because Isiah says he was "injured" doesn't mean people reward him. Attrition happens to every player. It comes with age.

[And1AllDay]

bulls swapped out milke jordan for a scrub named pete myers and went from 57 wins to 55 becos of...pippen

[97 bulls]

Weird take. From 91-93, Pippen played some of his best basketball. In the playoffs too.

And just because Isiah says he was "injured" doesn't mean people reward him. Attrition happens to every player. It comes with age.

Thomas wasnt old. He was 31. I mean, he said it. He said he has succumbed to injuries. I dont know what injury he was talking about with regards to Magic. Maybe he was also referring to Magics HIV diagnosis. Either way, all it took was ome video that YOU POSTED to prove me right.

Pippen played some of his best basketball fromn91-93 true, but it was in Jordan's shadow. It wasnt until he came out of that shadow that he garnered respect.

[MadDog]

Thomas wasnt old. He was 31. I mean, he said it. He said he has succumbed to injuries. I dont know what injury he was talking about with regards to Magic. Maybe he was also referring to Magics HIV diagnosis. Either way, all it took was ome video that YOU POSTED to prove me right.

Pippen played some of his best basketball fromn91-93 true, but it was in Jordan's shadow. It wasnt until he came out of that shadow that he garnered respect.

Who cares what Isiah said? :oldlol: Nobody gives him an excuse.

Pippen was ALWAYS in Jordan's shadow. From 96-98, he may have had "more respect", but Pippen was a better producer during the 1st threepeat. Cling to all the narratives you want. Playoff logs don't lie.

[Phoenix]

3-ball doing his part to keep the lights on :applause:

1-9 BTW

[97 bulls]

Who cares what Isiah said? :oldlol: Nobody gives him an excuse.

Pippen was ALWAYS in Jordan's shadow. From 96-98, he may have had "more respect", but Pippen was a better producer during the 1st threepeat. Cling to all the narratives you want. Playoff logs don't lie.

How are you not getting this???? My whole argument is that Pippen doesnt get the same slack as other players. What do you want me to take a poll? Your argument is weak and petty. Actually downright dumb. You post one video of two guys to justify your argument. Then I use the same two guys to justify my argument and you say who cares what those two say? Lol shut your account down.

[MadDog]

How are you not getting this???? My whole argument is that Pippen doesnt get the same slack as other players. What do you want me to take a poll? Your argument is weak and petty. Actually downright dumb. You post one video of two guys to justify your argument. Then I use the same two guys to justify my argument and you say who cares what those two say? Lol shut your account down.

I don't care what you do. Pippen doesn't get an injury excuse, just like Kobe and Wade didn't while they played. I know that you get confused easily, but the keyword there is PLAYED. As in suiting up.

Nobody apologized for Isiah when his "injuries" played out, so what are you crying about? :oldlol:

[97 bulls]

I don't care what you do. Pippen doesn't get an injury excuse, just like Kobe and Wade didn't while they played. I know that you get confused easily, but they keyword there is PLAYED. As in suiting up.

Nobody apologized for Isiah when it played out, so what are you crying about? :oldlol:

You posted the video bro. That's why I think you care. WTF?

I dont care that Pippen doesnt get an injury excuse. So long as nobody else does. I told you, if you take the stance that all that matters is that you suit up, fine. Just be consistent. That's why I said theres a different set of rules.

[MadDog]

You posted the video bro. That's why I think you care. WTF?

I dont care that Pippen doesnt get an injury excuse. So long as nobody else does. I told you, if you take the stance that all that matters is that you suit up, fine. Just be consistent. That's why I said theres a different set of rules.

I posted a video with Magic and Isiah's opinion of the Bulls. Which was common at the time. Isiah claiming he was "hurt" is not relevant. The media never cared back then nor did fans. Plus, Isiah was talking about the BEST version of his teams vs the threepeat Bulls. Again apples and oranges. You remind me of those fools who claim the Pistons were "old" in 1991. Their core was still in their prime. Only real difference was the Bulls got better.

[ImKobe]

3Ball with the 1st round KO :kobe:

[97 bulls]

I posted a video with Magic and Isiah's opinion of the Bulls. Which was common at the time. Isiah claiming he was "hurt" is not relevant. The media never cared back then nor did fans. Plus, Isiah was talking about the BEST version of his teams vs the threepeat Bulls. Again apples and oranges. You remind me of those fools who claim the Pistons were "old" in 1991. Their core was still in their prime. Only real difference was the Bulls got better.

It is relevant because he saw that as a reason why the Pistons didnt stay competitive.

The point is, it was equally as common to acknowledge players playing hurt. I mean, if it didnt matter why bring it up?

Like untold you before. If the media never brought it up, which is a bold faced lie, show me a video chronicling a person's career that didnt include them playing hurt. Maybe you live under a rock.

We agree on the Pistons not being old. It seems that your vitriol for Scottie Pippen makes you want to argue. And makes you emotional. I've seen you in threads where fans are alluding to players primes being cut short due to injury even though they "suited up" as you put it. If they mention it, it must matter to them.

[MadDog]

It is relevant because he saw that as a reason why the Pistons didnt stay competitive.

The point is, it was equally as common to acknowledge players playing hurt. I mean, if it didnt matter why bring it up?

Like untold you before. If the media never brought it up, which is a bold faced lie, show me a video chronicling a person's career that didnt include them playing hurt. Maybe you live under a rock.

We agree on the Pistons not being old. It seems that your vitriol for Scottie Pippen makes you want to argue. And makes you emotional. I've seen you in threads where fans are alluding to players primes being cut short due to injury even though they "suited up" as you put it. If they mention it, it must matter to them.

Isiah was fine in 1991 and still got swept. Nobody excused his "injuries" then so its a moot point. Once again, if you listened to the video, he and Magic were talking about their best teams. Which means they were healthy. You're still whining about injuries, but I already educated you on players who suit up hurt. Lingering injury. Fatigue. Whatever. Most dudes aren't 100% in the playoffs.

Sound like you never played sports lol. This isn't a video game where players are invincible.

[RogueBorg]

bulls swapped out milke jordan for a scrub named pete myers and went from 57 wins to 55 becos of...pippen

Tell the rest of the story, '94 Bulls swapped out Jordan for Meyers and went from a Three-Peat to getting bounced in the 2nd round of the playoffs. There wasn't just a regular season there was also a post-season. They went from beating the Knicks the previous two years to losing to them w/o Jordan. Why do these noobs always leave that part of the story out?

Don't let facts get in the way of cool story though.

[97 bulls]

Isiah was fine in 1991 and still got swept. Nobody excused his "injuries" then so its a moot point. Once again, if you listened to the video, he and Magic were talking about their best teams. Which means they were healthy. You're still whining about injuries, but I already educated you on players who suit up hurt. Lingering injury. Fatigue. Whatever. Most dudes aren't 100% in the playoffs.

You sound like you never played sports. This isn't a video game where players stay invincible lol

Lol. HE brought up injuries multiple times!!!! Somethimg you said nobody does. Do actually know what nobody means? He even said Magic succumbed to injuries. What injury? Magic abruptly retired due to being diagnosed with HIV. You said "NOBODY EVER SAW MAGICS HIV STATUS AS AN INJURY "!!!!! Then YOU post a video of somebody actually calling Johnsons HIV diagnosis an injury. Lol. You cant make this stuff up.

I used to play sports. I played Football, Baseball, and Basketball. Again. I'm not saying injuries arent apart of the game. And that it doesn't have an effect on games outcome. YOU ARE. Or you are when it comes to Pippen.

[97 bulls]

Tell the rest of the story, '94 Bulls swapped out Jordan for Meyers and went from a Three-Peat to getting bounced in the 2nd round of the playoffs. There wasn't just a regular season there was also a post-season. They went from beating the Knicks the previous two years to losing to them w/o Jordan. Why do these noobs always leave that part of the story out?

Don't let facts get in the way of cool story though.

And that shows Jordan's greatness. The Bulls went from 3pt Champions to a 2nd round exit.

But it also shows Pippens greatness. Because no other player has been able to do what the Pippen led Bulls did without their best player.

McHale failed
Worthy Failed
Green failed
Kobe failed. Until he got Gasol.

[MadDog]

Lol. HE brought up injuries multiple times!!!! Somethimg you said nobody does. Do actually know what nobody means? He even said Magic succumbed to injuries. What injury? Magic abruptly retired due to being diagnosed with HIV. You said "NOBODY EVER SAW MAGICS HIV STATUS AS AN INJURY "!!!!! Then YOU post a video of somebody actually calling Johnsons HIV diagnosis an injury. Lol. You cant make this stuff up.

You're straw-manning. I said nobody brings up Magic's HIV....as an excuse for losing in the finals. Not for retiring you clown :oldlol: Jordan played with a sprain throughout the 91 finals. Nobody ever mentions it because they know its a weak excuse. Players play hurt ALL THE TIME. If you didn't know, now you do lol

[97 bulls]

You're straw-manning. I said nobody brings up Magic's HIV....as an excuse for losing in the finals. Not for retiring you clown :oldlol: Jordan played with a sprain throughout the 91 finals. Nobody ever mentions it because they know its a weak excuse. Players play hurt ALL THE TIME. If you didn't know, now you do lol

Then why did he bring it up????? The Bulls beat the Lakers. Their arguments were that the teams the Bulls faced weren't at full strength. This is incredible.

What about when the Media brought up that Jordan hurt his big toe in the 91 Finals? Why bring it up??? It doesn't matter right? How do we know about these injuries? Why are they mentioned if the player suits up? It doesnt matter right?

How about when Willis Reed played hurt? Again, WHY BRING IT UP UNLESS IT WAS DEEMED TO BE IMPORTANT!!!!!

[MadDog]

Then why did he bring it up????? The Bulls beat the Lakers. Their arguments were that the teams the Bulls faced weren't at full strength. This is incredible.

What about when the Media brought up that Jordan hurt his big toe in the 91 Finals? Why bring it up??? It doesn't matter right? How do we know about these injuries? Why are they mentioned if the player suits up? It doesnt matter right?

How about when Willis Reed played hurt? Again, WHY BRING IT UP UNLESS IT WAS DEEMED TO BE IMPORTANT!!!!!

It was brought up because the 92 Lakers could no longer compete. Magic played a few preseason games, and then retired just before the season opener. You're either slow or trolling at this point.

Yes injuries are reported. I mentoned Kobe earlier because he makes my point. Kobe played with broken fingers in the 08 finals and excess fluid in his knees during the 10 finals. He was killed for losing in 08 and nobody cared about his injuries. He simply couldn't win without Shaq. THAT was the headline. Had he lost in 2010 nobody would talk about his knees being drained before games. They would say he shot 6-24 in Game 7 and cost the Lakers a title.

Again, if you play all is fair.

[97 bulls]

Heres two posters talking about Embiid playing hurt. But you said NOBODY brings up injuries when talking about players.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494018-2021-Eastern-Conference-Round-2-(1)-Philadelphia-Sixers-vs-(4)-Atlanta-Hawks/page28

[MadDog]

If the Hawks beat Embiid and the Sixers, they wont be excused. You're delusional to think different.

[97 bulls]

If the Hawks beat Embiid and the Sixers, they wont be excused. You're delusional to think different.

Why bring it up? And yes they will. Do you even know your own argument? You said nobody talks about players playing while injured. Lol. You're a frickn joke bro.

[MadDog]

Check the ether in post 67. No amount of spin is gonna help your cause. :oldlol:


Why bring it up? And yes they will. Do you even know your own argument? You said nobody talks about players playing while injured. Lol. You're a frickn joke bro.

No they will not lol. Philly is favored heavily by vegas and the media. I'm convinced you're trolling. Nobody is this naive.

[97 bulls]

Heres an article from NBC sports talking about Clyde Drexlers injuries in 92. Even Sam Smith (a known Jordan D-rider) mentioned the injury

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/portland-trail-blazers/last-dance-didnt-bother-mention-clyde-drexlers-injury-prior-92-finals

[MadDog]

Heres an article from NBC sports talking about Clyde Drexlers injuries in 92. Even Sam Smith (a known Jordan D-rider) mentioned the injury

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/portland-trail-blazers/last-dance-didnt-bother-mention-clyde-drexlers-injury-prior-92-finals

And wasn't excused being dominated by Jordan. Appreciate you making my point. :cheers:

[Hey Yo]

Tell the rest of the story, '94 Bulls swapped out Jordan for Meyers and went from a Three-Peat to getting bounced in the 2nd round of the playoffs. There wasn't just a regular season there was also a post-season. They went from beating the Knicks the previous two years to losing to them w/o Jordan. Why do these noobs always leave that part of the story out?

Don't let facts get in the way of cool story though.

Then MJ came back and also lost in the 2nd round. Thought that a number change mid-series would make him play better.

:oldlol:

[97 bulls]

And wasn't excused being dominated by Jordan. Appreciate you making my point. :cheers:

So why do you think the writer of that article and Sam Smith saw fit to bring up Drexler playing on a bum knee?

Heres a quote from that article.


"Just in passing, it might have been nice to point out that the Trail Blazer guard was already having a great deal of pain in his right knee, which would cause him to undergo surgery that summer -- after the Finals and the Olympics.:"

Why mention this if injuries dont matter?

[97 bulls]

And keep in mind, you said people dont mention injuries right?

[Axe]

Hate to admit it but the last dance was horrible with the way he was portrayed.

[ImKobe]

Hate to admit it but the last dance was horrible with the way he was portrayed.

He got more than his fair share of credit. It's only right that they called him out for quitting on his team.

[Hey Yo]

He got more than his fair share of credit. It's only right that they called him out for quitting on his team.

Just like Kobe needed to be called out for quitting game 7 against the Suns.

[3ball]

And again. That was the perception on 92. I'm a Pippen fan and I agree with Thomas. Based on what Pippen had done in his career up to that point.


Isiah was talking about Pippen's whole career, just like Shaq in the OP

And what did Pippen do after 1992 anyway? Get specific... He peaked at 22/5 with 2nd Round loss.. That's nothing - a top 1000 peak.. Then he had a .500 team in 1995 before Jordan returned and carried him to another 3-peat (pippen averaged 17 on 41% in the 96-98' Playoffs).

Again, what did he do in his career other than get carried?

[ImKobe]

Just like Kobe needed to be called out for quitting game 7 against the Suns.

Except he was gunning in the 1st half and played well and they were still down 20 :kobe: . He tried to facilitate in the 3rd and no one could score.

[MadDog]

Isiah was talking about Pippen's whole career, just like Shaq in the OP

And what did Pippen do after 1992 anyway? Get specific... He peaked at 22/5 with 2nd Round loss.. That's nothing - a top 1000 peak.. Then he had a .500 team in 1995 before Jordan returned and carried him to another 3-peat (pippen averaged 17 on 41% in the 96-98' Playoffs).

Again, what did he do in his career other than get carried?

Pippen was better in the 1st threepeat than during the 2nd. People can talk perception all they want, but 91-93 Pippen produced like a legitimate #2 in the playoffs. Wasn't much better on defense circa 96-98, but his offense nosedived. Jordan's scoring burden in the postseason was unheard-of.

[3ball]

Pippen was better in the 1st threepeat than during the 2nd. People can talk perception all they want, but 91-93 Pippen produced like a legitimate #2 in the playoffs. Wasn't much better on defense circa 96-98, but his offense nosedived. Jordan's scoring burden in the postseason was unheard-of.


88-90 Playoffs.......... TRASH

94-98 Playoffs......... TRASH

99-03' Playoffs ....... SUPER-TRASH


He only played well in the 91' Playoffs

In the 1992 Playoffs, he nearly caused loss by getting destroyed by X-man in the 92' ECSF.

In 1993, he was actually horrible in the Playoffs - 45% true shooting in the Finals.. worse PER and WS/48 than 14' Wade..

(fyi - Pippen averaged 21.7 on 40% in the 94' ECSF, and 19.0 on 40% in the 95' ECSF)

[Hey Yo]

Except he was gunning in the 1st half and played well and they were still down 20 :kobe: . He tried to facilitate in the 3rd and no one could score.

Riiiiiight sure

:oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

If Pippen is such trash, then why did MJ cry about the Pippen trade rumors? Said he'd quit for a 2nd time in 2yrs if Pip was traded.

[3ball]

Riiiiiight sure

:oldlol:


Other than 91', when was Pippen reliable in the Playoffs?


88-90 Playoffs...... 14/7/4 (historic choke in 90' ECF)

92' Playoffs.......... destroyed by X-man in ECSF (16 on 40%)

93' Playoffs.......... 15 on 33% in 1st Round... 45% TS in the Finals

94' Playoffs........... destroyed by Ewing (21.7 on 40%)

95' Playoffs.......... 19.0 on 40% in ECSF

96-98' Playoffs..... 17/7/5 on 41%

99-03' Playoffs..... 11 ppg

[MadDog]

Other than 91', when was Pippen reliable in the Playoffs?


88-90 Playoffs...... 14/7/4 (historic choke in 90' ECF)

92' Playoffs.......... destroyed by X-man in ECSF (16 on 40%)

93' Playoffs.......... 15 on 33% in 1st Round... 45% TS in the Finals

94' Playoffs........... destroyed by Ewing (21.7 on 40%)

95' Playoffs.......... 19.0 on 40% in ECSF

96-98' Playoffs..... 17/7/5 on 41%

99-03' Playoffs..... 11 ppg

Yeah but we're talking about the playoffs. Overall. Not just one series. Pippen played poorly vs 92 Knicks, but in the other three series that run, he averaged 22pts, 8reb, 7ast on 50%fg. With good defense that's pretty good production from a #2. We both agree Pippen was subpar during the 2nd threepeat. The same fools will bring up his defense, but Chicago as a whole were great on defense. Pippen wasn't impacting that end like a big.

[Hey Yo]

If Pippen is such trash, then why did MJ cry about the Pippen trade rumors? Said he'd quit for a 2nd time in 2yrs if Pip was traded.

???

[3ball]

.
Playoffs

13' Wade..'.... 18.7 PER.. 3.0 bpm.. 1.0 vorp.. 0.108 ws/48
93' Pippen.... 16.9 PER.. 2.0 bpm.. 0.8 vorp.. 0.083 ws/48


Comparing sidekick help while trying to 3-peat



Playoffs

14' Wade...'.. 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


Per 100 Possessions

14' Wade...'.. 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg



Yeah but we're talking about the playoffs. Overall. Not just one series. Pippen played poorly vs 92 Knicks, but in the other three series that run, he averaged 22pts, 8reb, 7ast on 50%fg. With good defense that's pretty good production from a #2. We both agree Pippen was subpar during the 2nd threepeat. The same fools will bring up his defense, but Chicago as a whole were great on defense. Pippen wasn't impacting that end like a big.


Even though Pippen was horrible in the 93' Playoffs (stats above) and nearly caused loss in the 92' ECSF, let's give Pippen 91-93'.

So outside of 91-93', Pippen was literally horrible in every other Playoffs.... (14 ppg in the 88-90' Playoffs.... choke in 94'.... 17 on 41% from 96-98'.... 11 ppg from 99-03')

[MadDog]

.
Playoffs

13' Wade..'.... 18.7 PER.. 3.0 bpm.. 1.0 vorp.. 0.108 ws/48
93' Pippen.... 16.9 PER.. 2.0 bpm.. 0.8 vorp.. 0.083 ws/48


Comparing sidekick help while trying to 3-peat



Playoffs

14' Wade...'.. 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


Per 100 Possessions

14' Wade...'.. 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg





Even though Pippen was horrible in the 93' Playoffs (stats above) and nearly caused loss in the 92' ECF, let's give Pippen 91-93'.

So outside of 91-93', Pippen was literally horrible in every other Playoffs.... (14 ppg in the 88-90' Playoffs.... choke in 94'.... 17 on 41% from 96-98'.... 11 ppg from 99-03')

Pippen averaged 20/7/6 on 47%fg in the 93 playoffs. That's horrible to you? Yes outside of 91-93, Jordan carried a big burden. Heck he carried a heavy one during the 1st threepeat - at least Pippen produced though.

[3ball]

Pippen averaged 20/7/6 on 47%fg in the 93 playoffs. That's horrible to you? Yes outside of 91-93, Jordan carried a big burden. Heck he carried a heavy one during the 1st threepeat - at least Pippen produced though.


13' and 14' Wade were nearly equal-scoring partners to Lebron in the 13' Finals and 14' ECF (pippen was never 1b to Jordan), and the stats above show that 13/14 Wade > 93' Pippen in the playoffs.

But even if we give Pippen a pass for 91-93' (despite sucking in 93' and nearly losing the 92' ECSF), he was inept for nearly 90% of his playoff career - literally a bum from 88-90, 94', 95', 96-98, 99-03'.

He's the most overrated player EVER

[Hey Yo]

If Pippen is such trash, then why did MJ cry about the Pippen trade rumors? Said he'd quit for a 2nd time in 2yrs if Pip was traded.

Will someone just answer the question

[MadDog]

13' and 14' Wade were nearly equal-scoring partners to Lebron in the 13' Finals and 14' ECF (pippen was never 1b to Jordan), and the stats above show that 13/14 Wade > 93' Pippen in the playoffs.

But even if we give Pippen a pass for 91-93' (despite sucking in 93' and nearly losing the 92' ECSF), he was inept for nearly 90% of his playoff career - literally a bum from 88-90, 94', 95', 96-98, 99-03'.

He's the most overrated player EVER

Wade was always a better player than Pippen. If that's the comparison then ya. No brainer there.

[3ball]

Will someone just answer the question


even if we give Pippen a pass for 91-93' (despite sucking in 93' and nearly losing the 92' ECSF), he was inept for nearly 90% of his playoff career - literally a bum from 88-90, 94', 95', 96-98, 99-03'.

He's the most overrated player EVER

[Hey Yo]

even if we give Pippen a pass for 91-93' (despite sucking in 93' and nearly losing the 92' ECSF), he was inept for nearly 90% of his playoff career - literally a bum from 88-90, 94', 95', 96-98, 99-03'.

He's the most overrated player EVER
Then why did MJ threaten Krause with quitting again if he traded Pip? Why didnt MJ treat him like Cartwright and want ship Pip's ass out so he wouldn't **** things up?

[3ball]

Then why did MJ threaten Krause with quitting again if he traded Pip? Why didnt MJ treat him like Cartwright and want ship Pip's ass out so he wouldn't **** things up?


Jordan is a woat scout and didn't know he was winning with trash.. He was just happy to be winning, so everything worked as long as they were winning.

But even if we give Pippen a pass for 91-93' (despite sucking in 93' and nearly losing the 92' ECSF), he was inept for nearly 90% of his playoff career - literally a bum from 88-90, 94', 95', 96-98, 99-03'.

He's the most overrated player EVER

[Hey Yo]

Jordan is a woat scout and didn't know he was winning with trash.. He was just happy to be winning, so everything worked as long as they were winning.

But even if we give Pippen a pass for 91-93' (despite sucking in 93' and nearly losing the 92' ECSF), he was inept for nearly 90% of his playoff career - literally a bum from 88-90, 94', 95', 96-98, 99-03'.

He's the most overrated player EVER

You're so ****ing full of shit.

MJ threatening Krause he'd quit again if Pip was traded totally destroys your whole premise about Pip....

Time for you to something else to bitch about cause your bitching about Pippen has been exposed

[3ball]

You're so ****ing full of shit.

MJ threatening Krause he'd quit again if Pip was traded totally destroys your whole premise about Pip....

Time for you to something else to bitch about cause your bitching about Pippen has been exposed


Jordan didn't have an eye for talent - Krause did

And Krause was done with Pippen after Pippen averaged 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals - he wanted Kemp after that, who nearly won FMVP from MJ.

Kemp and Payton were both far superior to Pippen.. And Stockton was 8th all-time in BPM with twice as many All-NBA as Pippen..

An old Stockton/Malone beat Shaq/Duncan and were basically B2B champs, so Stockton/MJ would win every year.. Heck, Smits/Miller nearly beat the Bulls and played the 00' Lakers tight, so Smits/MJ would win every year with that same cast...

See how easy this is?.. Pippen was just the low-producing bum that arrived at the perfect time after the super-team 80's, when expansion spread the talent around evenly so 2-star teams could win.. obviously, ANYONE wins alongside the goat in a 2-star vs 2-star format.. If only Woolridge could've been so lucky.

[Hey Yo]

Save the jibberish bullshit... MJ destroyed your theory about Pip. If he was trash, MJ wouldn't have threatened to quit again if he was traded.

The boards been right the entire time.... no Pip, no chip.... no Pip, I quit

[3ball]

Save the jibberish bullshit... MJ destroyed your theory about Pip. If he was trash, MJ wouldn't have threatened to quit again if he was traded.

The boards been right the entire time.... no Pip, no chip.... no Pip, I quit


The Bulls' management thought Pippen sucked and didn't want him

So who cares if Jordan was happy winning with a sidekick getting 15 on 34%

Jordan was happy as long as they won. I guarantee that he has no idea how bad Pippen played

[97 bulls]

The Bulls' management thought Pippen sucked and didn't want him

So who cares if Jordan was happy winning with a sidekick getting 15 on 34%

Jordan was happy as long as they won. I guarantee that he has no idea how bad Pippen played
Lol. But you know huh? The whole world is wrong other than you and a few of your fellow trolls.

[Hey Yo]

No Pip, I quit.

Time to move on 3L, MJ exposed you.

[3ball]

Lol. But you know huh? The whole world is wrong other than you and a few of your fellow trolls.


Jordan has no eye for talent - this is common knowledge

The guys with the eye for talent (the pros) thought Pippen sucked and were literally begging for Kemp.

The stats back up their feelings

[97 bulls]

Jordan has no eye for talent - this is common knowledge

The guys with the eye for talent (the pros) thought Pippen sucked and were literally begging for Kemp.

The stats back up their feelings
Like Bill Russell? The man who wanted to draft Pippen?

[Hey Yo]

The Bulls' management thought Pippen sucked and didn't want him

So who cares if Jordan was happy winning with a sidekick getting 15 on 34%

Jordan was happy as long as they won. I guarantee that he has no idea how bad Pippen played

"Whenever they speak Michael Jordan, they should speak Scottie Pippen

Your hero's words.

[3ball]

"Whenever they speak Michael Jordan, they should speak Scottie Pippen

Your hero's words.


MJ shitted on Pippen in the documentary - MJ shitting on Pippen made Pippen lose it and embarrass himself by writing fake "tell-all"

everyone is literally laughing at it... so PIPPEN was the leader?.. everyone is like wtf

Pippen has the lowest peak of any 2nd option that won more than 1 ring, and there's never been a bigger statistical gap between 1st and 2nd option

The term "pippen" literally refers to a subordinate

[Hey Yo]

No Pip, I quit

That's a fact, jack!!

[3ball]

No Pip, I quit

That's a fact, jack!!


He carried Pippen to 2 three-peats

Those are the facts

Pippen had a shitty .500 ballclub until MJ returned to carry him to another 3-peat

There has never been a more carried or overrated player

[Hey Yo]

Please dont trade my Pippen. If he goes, then I'll quit again.

[Shooter]

Please dont trade my Pippen. If he goes, then I'll quit again.

:lol

No pip, I quit! Love it :lol

[Shooter]

No Pip, I quit

That's a fact, jack!!

https://i.postimg.cc/rFdCRjfm/No-Pip-I-Quit.png

[Hey Yo]

:lol

No pip, I quit! Love it :lol

And 3ball hates it cause it is a fact that's what his hero said.

[3ball]

Please dont trade my Pippen. If he goes, then I'll quit again.


Pippen cost the Bulls rings in 88', 89', 90', 94', and 95'

So Jordan would have far more rings with someone else instead of Pippen..

Furthermore, Pippen's poor play nearly caused loss in the 96-98' Playoffs, 92' ECSF, and 93' Finals (the series was tight because of pippen 45% TS)

Ultimately, Lebron needed 2 Pippen's to win (2 stars), or he needed to BE the pippen (to AD)..... :yaohappy:... nowhere near MJ

[Hey Yo]

Maybe move onto Kukoc or Longley and campaign them on how bad they sucked. Cause MJ's threat to quit again proves how badly he knew he needed Pip.

[3ball]

Maybe move onto Kukoc or Longley and campaign them on how bad they sucked. Cause MJ's threat to quit again proves how badly he knew he needed Pip.


Kukoc had far more star moments then Pippen.

Infact, the Bulls don't win the 96' or 98' Finals if Kukoc doesn't offset Pippen's horrific play and be the true 2nd scoring option on the team.. Pippen was actually 3rd option for those rings.

Lol .. it's so easy to dump on Pippen because he did infact suck - so the facts always exist to demonstrate his weakness

[MadDog]

Jordan only needed an All-League type player. LeBron needs multiple superstars and superteams. :oldlol: The difference couldn't be clearer.

[3ball]

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PLAYOFFS


11' Dirk'........ 25.2 PER... 5.5 BPM... 1.6 VORP... 0.210 WS/48... 27.7 ppg
11' Terry....... 20.3 PER... 4.6 BPM... 1.1 VORP... 0.179 WS/48... 17.5 ppg
GAP.................. 4.9.............1.1........... 0.5............ 0.031........... 10.2

93' Jordan... 30.1 PER... 11.6 BPM... 2.9 VORP... 0.270 WS/48... 35.1 ppg
93' Pippen... 16.9 PER...'.. 2.0 BPM... 0.8 VORP... 0.083 WS/48... 20.1 ppg
GAP................. 13.2............ 9.6............ 2.1............ 0.187......... 15.0

92' Jordan... 27.2 PER.... 9.9 BPM... 2.8 VORP... 0.216 WS/48... 34.5 ppg
92' Pippen... 20.1 PER.... 6.6 BPM... 2.0 VORP... 0.168 WS/48... 19.5 ppg
GAP................. 7.1............ 3.3............ 0.8............ 0.048........... 15.0

91' Jordan... 32.0 PER... 14.6 BPM... 2.9 VORP... 0.333 WS/48... 31.1 ppg
91' Pippen... 22.0 PER...'.. 6.5 BPM... 1.5 VORP... 0.197 WS/48... 21.6 ppg
GAP................. 10.0............ 8.1............ 1.4............ 0.136........... 9.5

96' Jordan... 26.7 PER.. 10.7 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.317 WS/48... 30.7 ppg
96' Pippen... 19.4 PER.'... 7.8 BPM.. 1.8 VORP.. 0.195 WS/48... 16.9 ppg
GAP................. 7.3............ 2.9............ 0.6............ 0.122.......... 13.8

97' Jordan... 27.1 PER.... 9.9 BPM... 2.4 VORP... 0.235 WS/48... 31.1 ppg
97' Pippen... 18.1 PER.... 5.1 BPM... 1.4 VORP... 0.145 WS/48... 19.2 ppg
GAP................. 9.1............ 4.8............ 1.0............ 0.090.......... 11.9

98' Jordan... 28.1 PER.... 9.0 BPM... 2.4 VORP... 0.265 WS/48... 32.4 ppg
98' Pippen... 19.4 PER.... 5.6 BPM... 1.6 VORP... 0.166 WS/48... 16.8 ppg
GAP................. 8.7............ 3.4............ 0.8............ 0.095........... 16.4


CONCLUSION - Jordan had 6 rings that were far greater carry-jobs than 11' Dirk
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[Hey Yo]

Kukoc had far more star moments then Pippen.

Infact, the Bulls don't win the 96' or 98' Finals if Kukoc doesn't offset Pippen's horrific play and be the true 2nd scoring option on the team.. Pippen was actually 3rd option for those rings.

Lol .. it's so easy to dump on Pippen because he did infact suck - so the facts always exist to demonstrate his weakness
Well, pick Longley or even Kerr cause your hero exposed you about Pippen...

[Hey Yo]

CONCLUSION


"If you trade Pippen, I'll quit again, Jerry"

[000]

Well, pick Longley or even Kerr cause your hero exposed you about Pippen...
are you talking about the same guy who thought kwame brown was first pick material

[3ball]

Well, pick Longley or even Kerr cause your hero exposed you about Pippen...


Jordan can't say anything bad about a teammate

So you can cling to that if you want, but the fact remains that Pippen sucked according to everyone

See the OP

[Hey Yo]

are you talking about the same guy who thought kwame brown was first pick material

Jesus Christ, dude. Over a hundred posts in 2 days!!! You Axe's little brother??

[Hey Yo]

Jordan can't say anything bad about a teammate

So you can cling to that if you want, but the fact remains that Pippen sucked according to everyone

See the OP

Not according to those who chose him to be All- NBA on both sides of court 5 of his 6 titles. Of course Phil didnt think he sucked. MJ didnt either since he threatened "trade Pip, I quit"

[000]

Jesus Christ, dude. Over a hundred posts in 2 days!!! You Axe's little brother??
its ez to get a lot of posts here

[3ball]

Not according to those who chose him to be All- NBA on both sides of court 5 of his 6 titles. Of course Phil didnt think he sucked. MJ didnt either since he threatened "trade Pip, I quit"


It's honestly hilarious that the guy who was SYNONYMOUS with "secondary option" is writing a book that HE infact was the leader.

:yaohappy:

Only in today's social media climate.

"Yes, I had a low statistical peak and standard, with bigger margins below Jordan than Jason Terry had below 11' Dirk - but I infact was the leader"

Again, it would be LESS ridiculous if Kyrie comes out in 2036 with a book saying that he was the leader in 16'... Or perhaps Biden saying he was the real President during Obama's tenure.

[Shooter]

Jesus Christ, dude. Over a hundred posts in 2 days!!! You Axe's little brother??

It's a 3ball alt. Very obvious to detect.

[3ba11]

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Colin Cowherd says Pippen was a defensive role player and coaches drew up plays for everyone EXCEPT Pippen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&04m37sColin



Cowherd speaks gospel on covering Pippen in the 90's


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&t=02m37s

[And1AllDay]

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Colin Cowherd says Pippen was a defensive role player and coaches drew up plays for everyone EXCEPT Pippen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&04m37sColin



Cowherd speaks gospel on covering Pippen in the 90's


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&t=02m37s

careful on quoting colin :pimp:

[RogueBorg]

1-9

How is MJ a +45 in the 2 NBA Finals they kept records for it while LeGone is -86? How is that even possible?

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/michael-jordan-plus-minus-nba-finals

[Jasper]

Nobody cares

10 4

[3ba11]

careful on quoting colin :pimp:


Cowherd says no coach ran plays for Scottie because he was just a defensive role player:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&t=276s

[8Ball]

Hey 3ball, I saw you got banned and hundreds of posts wiped at another forum :oldlol:

How does it feel to get your work wiped? :roll:

[3ba11]

Hey 3ball, I saw you got banned and account wiped at another forum :oldlol:


They've banned many accounts of mine over there and deleted over 1000 of my posts, while modifying hundreds of others.. I just found out about the modifying part the other day and went off about it in the forum, so they banned me.. I guess I should've assumed they modified a bunch of my posts since they deleted thousands of others

This forum is obviously far superior for talking basketball.. The mods might've modified the title of 1 of my threads... that's it, aside from standard enforcing of forum rules.. this is one of the better places that practices free speech. it isn't perfect but it's better than most places

[8Ball]

They are a little nazi over there I must admit.

You have a good home here where you get to seed and grow your goods :lol

[3ba11]

They are a little nazi over there I must admit.

You have a good home here where you get to seed and grow your goods :lol


:lol

[3ba11]

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Adding to the collection for reference purposes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&t=276s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbzR2W1JGGQ&t=06m15s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S9NOdvj1QY&t=50s

[3ba11]

Pippen cost the Bulls 70 wins in 1997 by air-balling a wide open game-winner in the final game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6NX0i5b5mI&t=09m53s

[Axe]

Without pip, his playoff record was very awful.