Pippen was a bitch

[DoctorP]

Imagine not entering the last possession of a playoff game because you weren't getting the last shot called for you by the coach? Then imagine the team hitting that shot and winning anyways?

DEFINITION OF A LOSER

[3ball]

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Playoffs

13' Wade..'.... 18.7 PER.. 3.0 bpm.. 1.0 vorp.. 0.108 ws/48
93' Pippen.... 16.9 PER.. 2.0 bpm.. 0.8 vorp.. 0.083 ws/48


COMPARING SIDEKICK HELP WHILE TRYING TO 3-PEAT



Playoffs

14' Wade...'.. 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


Per 100 Possessions

14' Wade...'.. 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg



Even though Pippen was horrible in the 93' Playoffs (stats above) and nearly caused loss in the 92' ECSF, let's give Pippen a pass for the 91-93' Playoffs.

So outside of 91-93', Pippen was literally horrible in every other Playoffs.... (14 ppg in the 88-90' Playoffs.... choke in 94'.... 17 on 41% from 96-98'.... 11 ppg from 99-03')

[MadDog]

Theres a few posters here who actually excused that. Talk about delusion :oldlol: Pippen could never lead and needed Jordan to take the Bull by the horns.

[Shooter]

Wont be having the Pippen slander without context

https://i.postimg.cc/dVQ29yyW/23hasAsaviorPIP.jpg

[Bronbron23]

Wont be having the Pippen slander without context

https://i.postimg.cc/dVQ29yyW/23hasAsaviorPIP.jpg

Imagine your only argument against mj is his record in his first 3 years. Yall are pathetic trolls :facepalm

[3ball]

Imagine your only argument against mj is his record in his first 3 years. Yall are pathetic trolls :facepalm


Lol they prove MJ is goat with their pathetic arguments

[000]

Wont be having the Pippen slander without context

https://i.postimg.cc/dVQ29yyW/23hasAsaviorPIP.jpg
michael before pippen - 1 playoff win
lebron before hughes... 0

[DoctorP]

LeBrons also a bitch, but not on Scotties level.

It's just facts, folks.

[Shooter]

michael before pippen - 1 playoff win
lebron before hughes... 0

https://i.postimg.cc/t4rdbbQd/mj_ring_flowchart.png

[Shooter]

Lol they prove MJ is goat with their pathetic arguments


Riiiiight :lol

https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

Response? :lol

[Shooter]

Imagine not entering the last possession of a playoff game because you weren't getting the last shot called for you by the coach? Then imagine the team hitting that shot and winning anyways?

DEFINITION OF A LOSER

Nope

https://i.postimg.cc/fTWRGJRw/4a5dae1372774659.png

[Shooter]

LeBrons also a bitch, but not on Scotties level.

It's just facts, folks.

https://i.postimg.cc/x1cTdhmh/a5d4541372794317.png

Whups

[97 bulls]

Theres a few posters here who actually excused that. Talk about delusion :oldlol: Pippen could never lead and needed Jordan to take the Bull by the horns.

Why didn’t Jordan win without Scottie Pippen?

[MadDog]

Why didn’t Jordan win without Scottie Pippen?

False equivalency. Pippen never won without Jordan either.

[000]

Why didn’t Jordan win without Scottie Pippen?
he didnt play without pippen except when he was 40 or a young player

[97 bulls]

You Jordan fanatics are incredible. Pippen didn’t care about stats, he was about winning. That’s why he has one of the best win percentages in NBA history. Even better than your idol Michael Jordan.

[97 bulls]

he didnt play without pippen except when he was 40 or a young player

So? Why does that matter?

[MadDog]

You Jordan fanatics are incredible. Pippen didn’t care about stats, he was about winning. That’s why he has one of the best win percentages in NBA history. Even better than your idol Michael Jordan.

So does Robert Horry. That doesn't make Pippen a better player dumbass :oldlol:

[3ball]

You Jordan fanatics are incredible. Pippen didn’t care about stats, he was about winning. That’s why he has one of the best win percentages in NBA history. Even better than your idol Michael Jordan.


Pippen was horrible in nearly every Playoffs


88-90' Playoffs... 14 ppg

96-98' Playoffs... 17 on 41%

99-03' Playoffs... 11 ppg

94' Playoffs.... massive choke vs Ewing (21.7 on 40%)

95' Playoffs.... 19 on 40% in ECSF



WHEN WAS HE GOOD FOR MORE THAN A COUPLE YEARS?

[000]

So? Why does that matter?
are you retarded

[97 bulls]

So does Robert Horry. That doesn't make Pippen a better player dumbass :oldlol:

You didn’t answer my question. I asked you why didn’t Jordan win without Pippen.

[MadDog]

You didn’t answer my question. I asked you why didn’t Jordan win without Pippen.

You didn't ask a question. I quoted your silly statement. Robert Horry also has one of the greatest winning percentages in history. Didn't play for stats either. Nobody thinks he was a better player than Shaq. Hakeem. Or Tim Duncan. Just like nobody thinks Pippen was close to Jordan.

[97 bulls]

are you retarded

Listen chump. I didn’t ask your stupid ads the question, I asked MadDog.

[000]

You didn’t answer my question. I asked you why didn’t Jordan win without Pippen.
might as well ask why kobe never won without fisher

[000]

Listen chump. I didn’t ask your stupid ads the question, I asked MadDog.
ill take it as a yes

[97 bulls]

False equivalency. Pippen never won without Jordan either.

That wasn’t my question. I asked you, why didn’t Jordan win without Pippen?

[MadDog]

That wasn’t my question. I asked you, why didn’t Jordan win without Pippen?

Your question is a false equivalency. Which is what I responded with.

[97 bulls]

Your question is a false equivalency. Which is what I responded with.

That’s not an answer chicken shit. Why didn’t Michael Jordan win without Scottie Pippen?

[MadDog]

That’s not an answer chicken shit. Why didn’t Michael Jordan win without Scottie Pippen?

Sure it is. KC Jones and Robert Horry both have higher winning percentages than Pippen. Why? Don't be shy now :oldlol:

[97 bulls]

That’s the difference between me and you Jordan zombies, look at my avatar. I’m a Bulls fan. And a big Jordan fan. You bitches are nothing but Jordan fanatics. I’m not gonna sit here and let you ungrateful punks disparage a man that literally have his back for his teams success.

[97 bulls]

Sure it is. KC Jones and Robert Horry both have higher winning percentages than Pippen. Why? Don't be shy now :oldlol:

Stop deflecting. Why can’t you answer a simple question? Stop bringing up Robert Horry or KC Jones. Why didn’t Jordan win without Scottie Pippen? He had multiple opportunities to do it.

[tpols]

You didn’t answer my question. I asked you why didn’t Jordan win without Pippen.

That's a silly question since pippen was the only star he ever played with. You'd have a point if he team hopped all over the league and lost with other stars but he didn't.

[MadDog]

Stop deflecting. Why can’t you answer a simple question? Stop bringing up Robert Horry or KC Jones. Why didn’t Jordan win without Scottie Pippen? He had multiple opportunities to do it.

You're dodging the response. Since you are obsessed with winning why can't we bring up KC Jones and Robert Horry? Two of the greatest winners ever. Quit stalling and explain why they won more than Pippen. No pressure.

[000]

michael jordan has a better playoffs win percentage than scottie pippen anyway, since apparently this is the argument of the day

[97 bulls]

You're dodging the response. Since you are obsessed with winning why can't we bring up KC Jones and Robert Horry? Two of the greatest winners ever. Quit stalling and explain why they won more than Pippen. No pressure.

Because they never played for the Bulls. We’re taking about two teammates in Jordan and Pippen. Answer the question.

[97 bulls]

michael jordan has a better playoffs win percentage than scottie pippen anyway, since apparently this is the argument of the day

Lol. That’s a lie. Or maybe you don’t know.

[97 bulls]

michael jordan has a better playoffs win percentage than scottie pippen anyway, since apparently this is the argument of the day

And that’s a lie

[MadDog]

Because they never played for the Bulls. We’re taking about two teammates in Jordan and Pippen. Answer the question.

KC Jones only played for the Celtics. Why did he win more than Pippen?

[000]

Lol. That’s a lie. Or maybe you don’t know.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-players-with-best-playoff-win-percentage-with-at-least-100-wins

you know who doesnt have a higher win% than pippen, though?

[Carbine]

The Bulls became a championship roster when Pippen and Horace and the others emerged.

Jordan didn't win without them because the Bulls were absolutely NOT a championship quality roster before those key players improved.

If the roles were reversed and Jordan was drafted into a team with an established Pippen, it's safe to say Jordan doesn't have to wait almost 4 years to win a series.

[3ball]

The Bulls became a championship roster when Pippen and Horace and the others emerged.

Jordan didn't win without them because the Bulls were absolutely NOT a championship quality roster before those key players improved.

If the roles were reversed and Jordan was drafted into a team with an established Pippen, it's safe to say Jordan doesn't have to wait almost 4 years to win a series.

Pippen, Horace, Paxson and Cartwright were bums

No one won with less help

[Shooter]

he didnt play without pippen except when he was 40 or a young player

You're a 2021 account so obviously new to basketball.

Jordan only won ONE playoff game in 5 years without Pippen


ONE. GAME
In 5 years

[Shooter]

are you retarded

Meltdown. Thanks for reminding me to bump a thread

[3ball]

You're a 2021 account so obviously new to basketball.

Jordan only won ONE playoff game in 5 years without Pippen


ONE. GAME
In 5 years


As a rookie or sophomore when everyone else loses too

Lebron didn't make the playoffs in his first few years either

He actually got 3 years to develop his team into a high seed before entering the playoffs, while Jordan was thrown into the playoffs in Year 1 as a low seed.

So 1-9 compares 3rd Year high seed to 1st year 8 seed

[000]

Meltdown. Thanks for reminding me to bump a thread
:facepalm

[97 bulls]

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-players-with-best-playoff-win-percentage-with-at-least-100-wins

you know who doesnt have a higher win% than pippen, though?
Fair enough. Who’s more successful when they’re separate from each other?

[Carbine]

Pippen, Horace, Paxson and Cartwright were bums

No one won with less help

You can spew that garbage to someone else. They were a very important factor in winning. Just like LeBron wouldn't win without Davis, Jordan wouldn't have won without the emergence of Pippen and Horace. You know how we know this? Because we saw what happened prior to them becoming what they became. Jordan didn't improve drastically as a player from '88 to '91

[000]

Fair enough. Who’s more successful when they’re separate from each other?
They had the same win% together, so obviously jordan...

[97 bulls]

As a rookie or sophomore when everyone else loses too

Lebron didn't make the playoffs in his first few years either

He actually got 3 years to develop his team into a high seed before entering the playoffs, while Jordan was thrown into the playoffs in Year 1 as a low seed.

So 1-9 compares 3rd Year high seed to 1st year 8 seed
But you see what you did there? You cut Jordan slack by applying context. SMDH.

[3ball]

You can spew that garbage to someone else. They were a very important factor in winning. Just like LeBron wouldn't win without Davis, Jordan wouldn't have won without the emergence of Pippen and Horace. You know how we know this? Because we saw what happened prior to them becoming what they became. Jordan didn't improve drastically as a player from '88 to '91


They were replaceable bums

[Airupthere]

You can spew that garbage to someone else. They were a very important factor in winning. Just like LeBron wouldn't win without Davis, Jordan wouldn't have won without the emergence of Pippen and Horace. You know how we know this? Because we saw what happened prior to them becoming what they became. Jordan didn't improve drastically as a player from '88 to '91

I believe that. No one wins alone. But the who was the whole driving force. If it was just pippen and horace, would they have driven that organization to be competitive in the next few years?

Jordan provided that constant unwavering demand that was needed to achieve 2 3peats. Nobody else could have provided that. That was the rarer commodity.

[3ball]

I believe that. No one wins alone. But the who was the whole driving force. If it was just pippen and horace, would they have driven that organization to be competitive in the next few years?

Jordan provided that constant unwavering demand that was needed to achieve 2 3peats. Nobody else could have provided that. That was the rarer commodity.


Pippen and Grant sucked and were easily replaceable

The stats show that

They weren't getting 28 in the Finals like Kyrie or Wade - they were getting 15-20 and anyone could replace that

Grant averaged 8 rebounds - anyone can replace that

These guys weren't great - they were literally considered bums in 1990

[Shooter]

They had the same win% together, so obviously jordan...

3ball alt spotted :lol Seek help

Only 3ball straight up lies :lol

Pippen won more than Jordan. Period my man. Seek help.

[MadDog]

KC Jones only played for the Celtics. Why did he win more than Pippen?

97 Bulls aka 97 Scottie running from the smoke lol. What happened? I thought winning was all that mattered? :confusedshrug:

[97 bulls]

If Michael Jordan is 1-9 and never made the playoffs with the Wizards while Pippen led the Blazers to a game 7 of the WCF at almost 35 years old, and an ECSF, how do you arrive at the conclusion that Jordan was more successful without Pippen?

That’s the problem with Trolls. You look real stupid once you get trolled back. That’s why DumbDog won’t answer my question and runs away like a crackhead.

[000]

3ball alt spotted :lol Seek help

Only 3ball straight up lies :lol

Pippen won more than Jordan. Period my man. Seek help.

bro i posted the stats

and what you quoted is obvious... if you have a better percentage than someone, then you have a better percentage than that someone lol

[Shooter]

.

THREAD CLIFFS

-Pippen won more playoff series than Jordan
-Pippen had more assists, steals, rebounds, and blocks than MJ for the 6 championship years
-Jordan won NOTHING without him

[Shooter]

bro i posted the stats

and what you quoted is obvious... if you have a better percentage than someone, then you have a better percentage than that someone lol

You think MJ won more or less playoff series than Pippen?

I know you're a 2021 account so I'll go easy on you.

[Airupthere]

If Michael Jordan is 1-9 and never made the playoffs with the Wizards while Pippen led the Blazers to a game 7 of the WCF at almost 35 years old, and an ECSF, how do you arrive at the conclusion that Jordan was more successful without Pippen?

That’s the problem with Trolls. You look real stupid once you get trolled back. That’s why DumbDog won’t answer my question and runs away like a crackhead.

Jordan in his first three years? He had mostly the second season out. There goes your momentum. He arrived at a dysfuntional organization and were competing against proven teams in the east. No one wins alone, yes. But what he brought to that prganization was special. Surely youre not saying pippen by himself would have made the same cast win much more compated to jordan?

Pippen had a stacked blazers team. Even with that he couldnt win a chip.

[MadDog]

If Michael Jordan is 1-9 and never made the playoffs with the Wizards while Pippen led the Blazers to a game 7 of the WCF at almost 35 years old, and an ECSF, how do you arrive at the conclusion that Jordan was more successful without Pippen?

That’s the problem with Trolls. You look real stupid once you get trolled back. That’s why DumbDog won’t answer my question and runs away like a crackhead.

Why did KC win more than Pippen as a Bull? If winning is the end all be all, then clearly Jones had more impact. And was by far more successful. Go ahead and quote me. Its OK I'll go easy on you :oldlol:

[3ball]

You think MJ won more or less playoff series than Pippen?

I know you're a 2021 account so I'll go easy on you.


What players that have more than 2 rings..........

never had a sidekick that achieved FMVP or 25 ppg in the Finals

GO

[3ball]

If Michael Jordan is 1-9 and never made the playoffs with the Wizards while Pippen led the Blazers to a game 7 of the WCF at almost 35 years old,


.


Jordan was the leader of the Wizards and led them to 18 more wins in 2002, while Pippen was 1045th option for the Blazers and carried - Pippen averaged 9 ppg

[97 bulls]

97 Bulls aka 97 Scottie running from the smoke lol. What happened? I thought winning was all that mattered? :confusedshrug:

That’s fine. Why didn’t Jordan win without Scottie Pippen. I’ll answer for you based on your logic because you obviously aren’t man enough to come out with it. Based on your logic, Michael Jordan wasn’t good enough. Anything else is an excuse.

I can say his team wasn’t good enough. I can also admit that Jordan needed to learn how to utilize his teammates better. Because I apply context and reason. I can give Scottie Pippen full credit for his role on all six of the Bulls title runs because he went and gutted it out and played hurt and not bitch up and not play to protect his stats to make dumbasses like you fell better about him.

[MadDog]

Jordan in his first three years? He had mostly the second season out. There goes your momentum. He arrived at a dysfuntional organization and were competing against proven teams in the east. No one wins alone, yes. But what he brought to that prganization was special. Surely youre not saying pippen by himself would have made the same cast win much more compated to jordan?

Pippen had a stacked blazers team. Even with that he couldnt win a chip.

Pippen played with better teammates. That's literally all it comes down to.

The birdbrain wants to give Pippen the same credit Jordan gets. But that's not how it works.

[3ball]

Pippen played with better teammates. That's literally all it comes down to.

The birdbrain wants to give Pippen the same credit Jordan gets. But that's not how it works.


Jordan was #1 option, while Pippen was 1045th option and carried

[Shooter]

No Pip? I quit!

https://i.postimg.cc/rFdCRjfm/No-Pip-I-Quit.png

[Airupthere]

That’s fine. Why didn’t Jordan win without Scottie Pippen. I’ll answer for you based on your logic because you obviously aren’t man enough to come out with it. Based on your logic, Michael Jordan wasn’t good enough. Anything else is an excuse.

I can say his team wasn’t good enough. I can also admit that Jordan needed to learn how to utilize his teammates better. Because I apply context and reason. I can give Scottie Pippen full credit for his role on all six of the Bulls title runs because he went and gutted it out and played hurt and not bitch up and not play to protect his stats to make dumbasses like you fell better about him.

Im reallystarting to think you are scottie. I give scottie full credit commensurate of what he did. Not more. Scottie is on of my favorite players of all time.

But to imply jordan = pippen in that franchise is ludicrous. Jordan was jordan regardless.

[Shooter]

You think MJ won more or less playoff series than Pippen?

I know you're a 2021 account so I'll go easy on you.

Anyone?

[97 bulls]

Jordan was the leader of the Wizards and led them to 18 more wins in 2002, while Pippen was 1045th option for the Blazers and carried - Pippen averaged 9 ppg

Lol so in essence, Jordan was the captain of a slow sinking ship? GTFOH. Maybe you need to stop looking at stupid shit like “option” and actually analyze the game.

[Airupthere]

Didnt jordan already say, there is no jordan without pippen? He is easily one of the most recognizable players from the 90s, heck all time. People view him as a winner and associate him to the bulls and the 3peats. What else does pippen want to get out from MJ or the people? Put him in the top 10 all time?

[000]

You think MJ won more or less playoff series than Pippen?

I know you're a 2021 account so I'll go easy on you.
series? im talking win percentage

mike barely played without pippen, while pippen teamed up with hakeem and barkley, and yet mike still has a better win% - how did he even do that lmao

[MadDog]

That’s fine. Why didn’t Jordan win without Scottie Pippen. I’ll answer for you based on your logic because you obviously aren’t man enough to come out with it. Based on your logic, Michael Jordan wasn’t good enough. Anything else is an excuse.

I can say his team wasn’t good enough. I can also admit that Jordan needed to learn how to utilize his teammates better. Because I apply context and reason. I can give Scottie Pippen full credit for his role on all six of the Bulls title runs because he went and gutted it out and played hurt and not bitch up and not play to protect his stats to make dumbasses like you fell better about him.

What's fine? Are you admitting KC Jones was a better leader? And a better winner with more success. Can't tell. You're vague and passive aggressive so its hard to get a straight answer out of you. Speak up.

We know that Jordan's team wasn't good enough. Before Scottie and afterward in DC. So why use "1-9" as a talking point? Do you even know what you're arguing? :oldlol:

[97 bulls]

Im reallystarting to think you are scottie. I give scottie full credit commensurate of what he did. Not more. Scottie is on of my favorite players of all time.

But to imply jordan = pippen in that franchise is ludicrous. Jordan was jordan regardless.
If Scottie Pippen feels he’s as good as Michael Jordan, then those hit he took from the Pistons, Knicks, and Heat must be catching up to him. But that’s not what he said. He said he was the Bulls leader. That I can kinda see simply because by all accounts, Jordan was a tyrant. And you’re dealing with men. I think Pippen put out a lot of fires that Jordan started in that locker. I think Michael and Scottie teammates feared Jordan and respected Pippen.

[Shooter]

series? im talking win percentage

mike barely played without pippen, while pippen teamed up with hakeem and barkley, and yet mike still has a better win% - how did he even do that lmao

Pip "teamed up" with Barkley and Hakeem? Or MJ quit the sport and forced Pippen out :lol

Next

[Shooter]

If Scottie Pippen feels he’s as good as Michael Jordan, then those hit he took from the Pistons, Knicks, and Heat must be catching up to him. But that’s not what he said. He said he was the Bulls leader. That I can kinda see simply because by all accounts, Jordan was a tyrant. And you’re dealing with men. I think Pippen put out a lot of fires that Jordan started in that locker. I think Michael and Scottie teammates feared Jordan and respected Pippen.

+1

[000]

Pip "teamed up" with Barkley and Hakeem? Or MJ quit the sport and forced Pippen out :lol

Next
i would say its better to quit off-court after a threepeat, like jordan, than to quit on-court without having threepeated, like lebron

[97 bulls]

What's fine? Are you admitting KC Jones was a better leader? And a better winner with more success. Can't tell. You're vague and passive aggressive so its hard to get a straight answer out of you. Speak up.

We know that Jordan's team wasn't good enough. Before Scottie and afterward in DC. So why use "1-9" as a talking point? Do you even know what you're arguing? :oldlol:
Well obviously Jones was. But you gotta apply context. Those were totally different times. I don’t even believe the best athletes even played basketball. They didn’t play as many games in the playoffs. There was no player movement. But by your logic, that’s all excuses.

That’s why people keep throwing that 1-9 logic at trolls. Because you got people literally painting the picture that the Bulls were scrubs outside of MJ. That he could’ve won with anybody. And seeing as how you feel injuries and age don’t matter, if you suit up (no excuses right?), then you’re gonna have to hold Jordan to the same standard.

[3ball]

If Scottie Pippen feels he’s as good as Michael Jordan, then those hit he took from the Pistons, Knicks, and Heat must be catching up to him. But that’s not what he said. He said he was the Bulls leader. That I can kinda see simply because by all accounts, Jordan was a tyrant. And you’re dealing with men. I think Pippen put out a lot of fires that Jordan started in that locker. I think Michael and Scottie teammates feared Jordan and respected Pippen.


Pippen never led a single thing and wasn't a leader AT ALL

he's lying..

Jordan was the goat leader in every way - he was the coach

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uSPo7lPyAlc&t=21m02s



Where's Pippen's sportscentury doc?... :yaohappy:


Bums don't get docs

[Airupthere]

If Scottie Pippen feels he’s as good as Michael Jordan, then those hit he took from the Pistons, Knicks, and Heat must be catching up to him. But that’s not what he said. He said he was the Bulls leader. That I can kinda see simply because by all accounts, Jordan was a tyrant. And you’re dealing with men. I think Pippen put out a lot of fires that Jordan started in that locker. I think Michael and Scottie teammates feared Jordan and respected Pippen.

Do you seriously believe that pippen’s style of leadership at the helm would have brought the bulls organization to being competitive and getting 6 rings if he did not have that personality, drive and talent that michael had in the lineup?

Pippen by himself would have created a sedated environment and culture compared to jordan. Sure he did the good cop part that was necessary but tht was not the bigger, rarer and more potent commodity in that team.

[Airupthere]

Pippens leadership creates for a happy harmonious team culture. That was not the driving force at all.

[000]

anyone can be nice to ppl

not anyone can be intimidating and inspirational

[MadDog]

Well obviously Jones was. But you gotta apply context. Those were totally different times. I don’t even believe the best athletes even played basketball. They didn’t play as many games in the playoffs. There was no player movement. But by your logic, that’s all excuses.

That’s why people keep throwing that 1-9 logic at trolls. Because you got people literally painting the picture that the Bulls were scrubs outside of MJ. That he could’ve won with anybody. And seeing as how you feel injuries and age don’t matter, if you suit up (no excuses right?), then you’re gonna have to hold Jordan to the same standard.

He was a role player. Just like Horry was. You're just bullshitting at this point lol. You already laid out the context for Jordan which everyone knew beforehand. Funny thing is, you still tried arguing against it because the truth hurt. Jordan was MUCH better than Pippen and contributed more to his teams success. Like all better players do. If you read back in the thread, I talked up 91-93 Pippen. He was a nice #2 which is what he'll always be known as. A great sidekick.

[97 bulls]

Do you seriously believe that pippen’s style of leadership at the helm would have brought the bulls organization to being competitive and getting 6 rings if he did not have that personality, drive and talent that michael had in the lineup?

Pippen by himself would have created a sedated environment and culture compared to jordan. Sure he did by good cop part that was necessary but tht was not the bigger, rarer and more potent commodity in that team.
I don’t know. I know as a man, I wouldn’t have put up with the stuff Jordan admits to doing. I do feel the Bulls were a good SG away from winning a championship without MJ in 94. And mind you, many of the key parts on the 94 Bulls hadn’t even played with Jordan. Kerr, Longley, Kukoc , Wennington, didn’t play with Jordan. The fact is the Bulls were a 55 win team without Jordan. The 2nd three peat Bulls were the 94 Bulls with an upgrade in Rodman a more experienced Kukoc and obviously the GOAT in Jordan. Why these dumbasses feel they have to go out of their way to destroy Michael Jordan’s teammates isn’t necessary. And Jordan fans are the only ones that do it. I’ve never seen Larry Bird fans throw shade at Kevin McHale or Magic fans hate on Worthy. It’s only Pippen. Why?

[97 bulls]

anyone can be nice to ppl

not anyone can be intimidating and inspirational
Again. When you’re dealing with men? On this level? Trying to intimidate men may get you hurt.

[MadDog]

Again. When you’re dealing with men? On this level? Trying to intimidate men may get you hurt.

Jordan was a man's man and demanded respect. They all fell in line.

[3ball]

A great sidekick.





In the 93' Finals, the Bulls/Suns both averaged exactly 106.7 ppg and 113.0 ORTG

So every ounce of Jordan's 41 ppg was needed and Pippen's 45% true shooting is why the series was so close.. Pippen's matchup (rookie Dumas) also scored 25 in Game 5 to extend the series.

In addition to the Finals, Pippen also wet the bed in the 1st Round, where he averaged 15 on 33% (destroyed by Dominique/Willis), which forced Jordan to carry the team.

So Pippen wasn't that good - MJ just made it work, like the 92' ECSF, where his heroics saved a demolished Pippen in that series.

And those are Pippen's best playoff runs - he was otherwise horrific from 88-90', 96-98', and 99-03')

Even in 1991, Pippen fouled a stumbling Vlade to lose Game 3, if not for Jordan hitting the tying shot and dominating the OT (with Pippen fouled out on the bench).

[000]

Again. When you’re dealing with men? On this level? Trying to intimidate men may get you hurt.
jordan did get threatened by cartwright

but he was also the leader and drill sergeant

[Airupthere]

I don’t know. I know as a man, I wouldn’t have put up with the stuff Jordan admits to doing. I do feel the Bulls were a good SG away from winning a championship without MJ in 94. And mind you, many of the key parts on the 94 Bulls hadn’t even played with Jordan. Kerr, Longley, Kukoc , Wennington, didn’t play with Jordan. The fact is the Bulls were a 55 win team without Jordan. The 2nd three peat Bulls were the 94 Bulls with an upgrade in Rodman a more experienced Kukoc and obviously the GOAT in Jordan. Why these dumbasses feel they have to go out of their way to destroy Michael Jordan’s teammates isn’t necessary. And Jordan fans are the only ones that do it. I’ve never seen Larry Bird fans throw shade at Kevin McHale or Magic fans hate on Worthy. It’s only Pippen. Why?

Im a fan of Jordan, pippen and those bulls teams. I enjoy watching highlights of jordan and pippen. I also like watching the bulls play as a team. Jordan is the key difference in the team. He has one of the strongest, if the not strongest resolve to win that we have seen in the league. Pippen to me was an important part but Jordan’s contributions >>> Pippen’s.

[97 bulls]

Jordan was a man's man and demanded respect. They all fell in line.

They fell in line because Pippen smoothed thing over. The players said it.

[3ball]

:facepalm:

[000]

They fell in line because Pippen smoothed thing over. The players said it.
how does that work in your mind

the bulls all wanted to beat the shit out of michael all the time, but pippen told them "no"?

[MadDog]

They fell in line because Pippen smoothed thing over. The players said it.

The players also said Jordan was the leader and alpha of Chicago. Horace Grant spoke on this in 93. Said that without Jordan, he wouldn't be the same player. And wouldn't have the same drive. A man inspires. Boys go along and are coddled.

[3ball]

.
.
PLAYOFFS


11' Dirk'........ 25.2 PER... 5.5 BPM... 1.6 VORP... 0.210 WS/48... 27.7 ppg
11' Terry....... 20.3 PER... 4.6 BPM... 1.1 VORP... 0.179 WS/48... 17.5 ppg
GAP.................. 4.9.............1.1........... 0.5............ 0.031........... 10.2

93' Jordan... 30.1 PER... 11.6 BPM... 2.9 VORP... 0.270 WS/48... 35.1 ppg
93' Pippen... 16.9 PER...'.. 2.0 BPM... 0.8 VORP... 0.083 WS/48... 20.1 ppg
GAP................. 13.2............ 9.6............ 2.1............ 0.187......... 15.0

92' Jordan... 27.2 PER.... 9.9 BPM... 2.8 VORP... 0.216 WS/48... 34.5 ppg
92' Pippen... 20.1 PER.... 6.6 BPM... 2.0 VORP... 0.168 WS/48... 19.5 ppg
GAP................. 7.1............ 3.3............ 0.8............ 0.048........... 15.0

91' Jordan... 32.0 PER... 14.6 BPM... 2.9 VORP... 0.333 WS/48... 31.1 ppg
91' Pippen... 22.0 PER...'.. 6.5 BPM... 1.5 VORP... 0.197 WS/48... 21.6 ppg
GAP................. 10.0............ 8.1............ 1.4............ 0.136........... 9.5

96' Jordan... 26.7 PER.. 10.7 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.317 WS/48... 30.7 ppg
96' Pippen... 19.4 PER.'... 7.8 BPM.. 1.8 VORP.. 0.195 WS/48... 16.9 ppg
GAP................. 7.3............ 2.9............ 0.6............ 0.122.......... 13.8

97' Jordan... 27.1 PER.... 9.9 BPM... 2.4 VORP... 0.235 WS/48... 31.1 ppg
97' Pippen... 18.1 PER.... 5.1 BPM... 1.4 VORP... 0.145 WS/48... 19.2 ppg
GAP................. 9.1............ 4.8............ 1.0............ 0.090.......... 11.9

98' Jordan... 28.1 PER.... 9.0 BPM... 2.4 VORP... 0.265 WS/48... 32.4 ppg
98' Pippen... 19.4 PER.... 5.6 BPM... 1.6 VORP... 0.166 WS/48... 16.8 ppg
GAP................. 8.7............ 3.4............ 0.8............ 0.095........... 16.4


CONCLUSION - Jordan had 6 rings that were far greater carry-jobs than 11' Dirk
.

[3ball]

but Jordan’s contributions > Pippen’s.





It's criminal what they're doing to Jordan

For example....

It would be far more ridiculous 30 years from now for Kyrie to come out with a book saying he was the real leader in 2016.

New fans don't understand - the gap between Jordan and Pippen was bigger for all 6 runs than the gap between 11' Dirk and his sidekick (see previous post above)... There's literally never been a bigger gap between 1st and 2nd option.

Again, it's insane for the player most synonymous with 2nd option or lesser role to say he was the leader

[97 bulls]

Im a fan of Jordan, pippen and those bulls teams. I enjoy watching highlights of jordan and pippen. I also like watching the bulls play as a team. Jordan is the key difference in the team. He has one of the strongest, if the not strongest resolve to win that we have seen in the league. Pippen to me was an important part but Jordan’s contributions >>> Pippen’s.
I disagree. Jordan was far and away the better player. But importance? I’m not so sure. I think they were equally as important. Pippen ran the offense and anchored the defense. You guys put far too much emphasis on scoring. Pippen knew the importance of keeping players involved in the offense. That’s why the Bulls implemented the triangle. Because it took the ball out of Michael Jordan’s hands enough to keep his teammates interested. Playing in a half court offense did not cater to Pippens strengths offensively. That’s why I feel teams didn’t really run in the 90s. They knew the best way to combat the the Bulls was in the half court where their athleticism was utilized as much.

[97 bulls]

He was a role player. Just like Horry was. You're just bullshitting at this point lol. You already laid out the context for Jordan which everyone knew beforehand. Funny thing is, you still tried arguing against it because the truth hurt. Jordan was MUCH better than Pippen and contributed more to his teams success. Like all better players do. If you read back in the thread, I talked up 91-93 Pippen. He was a nice #2 which is what he'll always be known as. A great sidekick.
He was a role player that won a bunch because he was on the best team in an error that didn’t have much change. I don’t think they win that many championships in the modern era because of that. Again CONTEXT. I also feel that guys like KC Jones set a precedent for guys like Ron Harper and Robert Harry to get in the HoF

[3ball]

I disagree. Jordan was far and away the better player. But importance? I’m not so sure. I think they were equally as important. Pippen ran the offense and anchored the defense. You guys put far too much emphasis on scoring. Pippen knew the importance of keeping players involved in the offense. That’s why the Bulls implemented the triangle. Because it took the ball out of Michael Jordan’s hands enough to keep his teammates interested. Playing in a half court offense did not cater to Pippens strengths offensively. That’s why I feel teams didn’t really run in the 90s. They knew the best way to combat the the Bulls was in the half court where their athleticism was utilized as much.


Jordan averaged more assists and assist percentage, while the triangle had no point guard role.

So where do you get the idea that Pippen "ran the offense" - it's literally something you made up

Pippen frequently went long stretches where he wasn't involved in the offense.... AT ALL... he disappeared as a standard..

So you're just lying now... Where do you get this stuff

Furthermore, outside of the 86/87 First Round, Jordan had career-high usage in the 92', 93', and 97' Playoffs, while averaging 36/7/8 in the 91-93' Playoffs - so the Bulls relied on Jordan more to win.. This is statistical fact..

And pippen was growing by leaps and bounds alongside MJ before Phil got there - high scoring from Jordan still elevated teammates because part of his scores were ASSISTED - so you're literally lying about everything in your post.. you have no clue what went on and obviously never watched.

What kind of loser comes on here and just starts lying.... About everything?... Show your work or don't post

[97 bulls]

The players also said Jordan was the leader and alpha of Chicago. Horace Grant spoke on this in 93. Said that without Jordan, he wouldn't be the same player. And wouldn't have the same drive. A man inspires. Boys go along and are coddled.Jordan called Pippen the leader of the team in 96. The same players that said Jordan was the leader also said Pippen was the leader. They led in different ways. It’s not coddling. It’s called encouragement.

[000]

So where do you get the idea that Pippen "ran the offense" - it's literally something you made up


its like when ppl talk about alex caruso, saying "he does all the little things that dont show up on the stat sheet" and stuff like that

[Shooter]

In the 93' Finals, the Bulls/Suns both averaged exactly 106.7 ppg and 113.0 ORTG

So every ounce of Jordan's 41 ppg was needed and Pippen's 45% true shooting is why the series was so close.. Pippen's matchup (rookie Dumas) also scored 25 in Game 5 to extend the series.

In addition to the Finals, Pippen also wet the bed in the 1st Round, where he averaged 15 on 33% (destroyed by Dominique/Willis), which forced Jordan to carry the team.

So Pippen wasn't that good - MJ just made it work, like the 92' ECSF, where his heroics saved a demolished Pippen in that series.

And those are Pippen's best playoff runs - he was otherwise horrific from 88-90', 96-98', and 99-03')

Even in 1991, Pippen fouled a stumbling Vlade to lose Game 3, if not for Jordan hitting the tying shot and dominating the OT (with Pippen fouled out on the bench).

1993 you say? How did Jordan even make the Finals? Wasn't he down 0-2 in the ECF against the Knicks and in game 3 Jordan shot 3 for 18 :lol

How did he win that game? PIPPEN SAVED HIS ASS AGAIN

https://i.postimg.cc/9FQyj0J0/scottie_again.png

[3ball]

Jordan averaged more assists and assist percentage, while the triangle had no point guard role.

So where do you get the idea that Pippen "ran the offense" - it's literally something you made up

Pippen frequently went long stretches where he wasn't involved in the offense.... AT ALL... he disappeared as a standard..

So you're just lying now...

Furthermore, outside of the 86/87 First Round, Jordan had career-high usage in the 92', 93', and 97' Playoffs, while averaging 36/7/8 in the 91-93' Playoffs - so the Bulls relied on Jordan more to win.. This is statistical fact..

And pippen was growing by leaps and bounds alongside MJ before Phil got there - high scoring from Jordan still elevated teammates because part of his scores were ASSISTED - so you're literally lying about everything in your post.. you have no clue what went on and obviously never watched.

What kind of loser comes on here and just starts lying.... About everything?... Show your work or don't post


97 Bulls....care to respond about accusations of you lying and making shit up

[000]

1993 you say? How did Jordan even make the Finals? Wasn't he down 0-2 in the ECF against the Knicks and in game 3 Jordan shot 3 for 17 :lol

How did he win that game? PIPPEN SAVED HIS ASS AGAIN

[https://i.postimg.cc/9FQyj0J0/scottie_again.png
lebron shot 2-18 in a playoff game

[3ball]

1993 you say? How did Jordan even make the Finals? Wasn't he down 0-2 in the ECF against the Knicks and in game 3 Jordan shot 3 for 17 :lol

How did he win that game? PIPPEN SAVED HIS ASS AGAIN

https://i.postimg.cc/9FQyj0J0/scottie_again.png


That game was over after the first quarter, where Jordan dominated, and Pippen was MIA

The rest of the game was garbage time.

Look it up.

Then try again

[MadDog]

He was a role player that won a bunch because he was on the best team in an error that didn’t have much change. I don’t think they win that many championships in the modern era because of that. Again CONTEXT. I also feel that guys like KC Jones set a precedent for guys like Ron Harper and Robert Harry to get in the HoF

We both agree context is important. You conceded this after admitting Jordan didn't have help.


Jordan called Pippen the leader of the team in 96. The same players that said Jordan was the leader also said Pippen was the leader. They led in different ways. It’s not coddling. It’s called encouragement.

Pippen never held anyone accountable. That isn't leading. Pippen was the next best player after Jordan. He "led" the same way a pecking order works.

[3ball]

We both agree context is important. You conceded this when admitting Jordan didn't have help.



Pippen never held anyone accountable. That isn't leading. Pippen was the next best player after Jordan. He "led" the same way a pecking order works.


Good point

And the reality is that no one called Pippen a leader in the 90's

Pippen was a nobody until Clutch Sports decided to manufacture a resume for Lebron... Clutch is probably bankrolling Pippen's book

[MadDog]

Good point

And the reality is that no one called Pippen a leader in the 90's

Pippen was a nobody until Clutch Sports decided to manufacture a resume for Lebron... Clutch is probably bankrolling Pippen's book

Right. Pippen was talked about because the Bulls were incredibly popular. And still are. But only the last few years Pippen's been celebrated, as a player he never was. LeBron would be a genius if that were true. :oldlol:

[Airupthere]

Good point

And the reality is that no one called Pippen a leader in the 90's

Pippen was a nobody until Clutch Sports decided to manufacture a resume for Lebron... Clutch is probably bankrolling Pippen's book

Massaging everyones egos is not leadership. After 94, Pip was not leading the bulls anywhere. It was downhill from there.

[97 bulls]

We both agree context is important. You conceded this after admitting Jordan didn't have help.



Pippen never held anyone accountable. That isn't leading. Pippen was the next best player after Jordan. He "led" the same way a pecking order works.

Who said he never held anyone accountable? Calling men out of their name and fighting and getting kicked out of practice isn’t leadership. Would you allow another man to call you a bitch and you see it as constructive criticism because he’s a better basketball player than you? Those dudes could’ve turned that while franchise inside out if not for Pippen. That’s why Ron Artest put something on Jordan’s mind. The same thing for what Jerry Stackhouse said about Jordan. There’s many ways to lead people.

[97 bulls]

Massaging everyones egos is not leadership. After 94, Pip was not leading the bulls anywhere. It was downhill from there.

What are you talking about bro? Again let’s use a little common sense here. For all your talk about how great MJ was, how do you arrive at the conclusion that Pippen is somehow a failure because the Bulls didn’t win when Jordan left? Especially when we look at his direct replacement. I mean we all agree that Jordan needed help to win, and that he didn’t have much of it in the mid 80s. Why is Pippen any different?

[Shooter]

https://i.postimg.cc/9FQyj0J0/scottie_again.png

How did Jordan even make the Finals in 1993, wasn't he down 0-2 in the ECF against the Knicks and in game 3 Jordan shot 3 for 18

How did he win that game?

PIPPEN SAVED HIS ASS AGAIN

[000]

https://i.postimg.cc/9FQyj0J0/scottie_again.png

How did Jordan even make the Finals in 1993, wasn't he down 0-2 in the ECF against the Knicks and in game 3 Jordan shot 3 for 18

How did he win that game?

PIPPEN SAVED HIS ASS AGAIN

i assume its like how lebron beat the pistons shooting 3-11 from the field

[Shooter]

i assume its like how lebron beat the pistons shooting 3-11 from the field

So MJ and LBJ both made 3 shots in a win but...

But MJ took 18 and LBJ took 11

You good bro? :lol

[000]

So MJ and LBJ both made 3 shots in a win but...

But MJ took 18 and LBJ took 11

You good bro? :lol
whats your point

3-11 is completely horrible, not just bad efficiency but low involvement too

PS: why did you ignore lebron shooting 2-18 for 12 pts & 10 TOs, in a four-point loss, in a 7-game series?

[Shooter]

whats your point

3-11 is completely horrible, not just bad efficiency but low involvement too

Stay in community college

3/11 = 27.2%
3/18 = 16.6%

Jordan's an awful chucker :lol

[1987_Lakers]

When reading Jordan's Rules years ago by Sam Smith, I got the impression that Bill Cartwright was the leader of that '91 team.

[3ball]

When reading Jordan's Rules years ago by Sam Smith, I got the impression that Bill Cartwright was the leader of that '91 team.


Sam Smith was 40 years ahead of his time

The original Jordan-hater

[Shooter]

Sam Smith was 40 years ahead of his time

The original Jordan-hater

No one likes Jordan accept for overweight ghetto kids that wear his overpriced shoes.

He punched Kerr in the face. Hell, even PJAX said he'd pick Kobe over MJ. Pippen is destroying MJ as well with his new book.

[MadDog]

Who said he never held anyone accountable? Calling men out of their name and fighting and getting kicked out of practice isn’t leadership. Would you allow another man to call you a bitch and you see it as constructive criticism because he’s a better basketball player than you? Those dudes could’ve turned that while franchise inside out if not for Pippen. That’s why Ron Artest put something on Jordan’s mind. The same thing for what Jerry Stackhouse said about Jordan. There’s many ways to lead people.

His track record did. Pippen would play peacekeeper and "lead" with his play. Which was second in command. Demanding excellence isn't sunshine and rainbows. You gotta get your hands dirty and Jordan wasn't afraid of being confrontational. It worked in Chicago because the words he spoke were backed by his play. If you can't contribute then don't worry about talking. Sit your ass down on the bench. Jordan motivated and Pippen coddled. Like a Brian Shaw. Ron Harper. Or John Salley. But that only works if you got an alpha lighting a fire under their ass.

[000]

Stay in community college

3/11 = 27.2%
3/18 = 16.6%

Jordan's an awful chucker :lol
the point is that neither are good enough to win with from a first option normally

not even mentioning that jordan scored more points or had more assists with less TOs

[3ball]

No one likes Jordan accept for overweight ghetto kids that wear his overpriced shoes.

He punched Kerr in the face. Hell, even PJAX said he'd pick Kobe over MJ. Pippen is destroying MJ as well with his new book.


MJ knocked out 7-footer Will Perdue too - Horace said so in his interview with Hot 97

And Pjax never said he'd take Kobe over MJ... preposterous




No one likes Jordan accept for overweight ghetto kids that wear his overpriced shoes.

He punched Kerr in the face. Hell, even PJAX said he'd pick Kobe over MJ. Pippen is destroying MJ as well with his new book.


It's honestly hilarious that the guy who was SYNONYMOUS with "secondary option" is writing a book that HE infact was the leader.

:yaohappy:

Only in today's social media climate.

"Yes, I had a low statistical peak and standard, with bigger margins below Jordan than Jason Terry had below 11' Dirk - but I infact was the leader"

Again, it would be LESS ridiculous if Kyrie comes out in 2036 with a book saying that he was the leader in 16'... Or perhaps Biden saying he was the real President during Obama's tenure.

[Shooter]

MJ knocked out 7-footer Will Perdue too - Horace said so in his interview with Hot 97

And Pjax never said he'd take Kobe over MJ... preposterous






It's honestly hilarious that the guy who was SYNONYMOUS with "secondary option" is writing a book that HE infact was the leader.

:yaohappy:

Only in today's social media climate.

"Yes, I had a low statistical peak and standard, with bigger margins below Jordan than Jason Terry had below 11' Dirk - but I infact was the leader"

Again, it would be LESS ridiculous if Kyrie comes out in 2036 with a book saying that he was the leader in 16'... Or perhaps Biden saying he was the real President during Obama's tenure.

https://i.postimg.cc/13R9CS6n/mike_had_a_stimmy.png

[Boki4MVP]

So they were symbiotic. Nothing else to say

[8Ball]

Nope

https://i.postimg.cc/fTWRGJRw/4a5dae1372774659.png

:roll:

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/13R9CS6n/mike_had_a_stimmy.png

:rockon::rockon:

[3ball]

.
BIDEN: It was I........

that infact won the historic 2008 election. Obama was my VP

[000]

.
BIDEN: It was I........

that infact won the historic 2008 election. Obama was my VP
dunno if thats a good comparison

pippen didnt win without mj

[3ball]

dunno if thats a good comparison

pippen didnt win without mj


Hmmm.. good point

[DoctorP]

whatever, he was still a soft BIATCH

how do you not enter the last possession of a playoff game to cry?

BITCH MADE

[MadDog]

whatever, he was still a soft BIATCH

how do you not enter the last possession of a playoff game to cry?

BITCH MADE

How do people excuse that? Even worse they wanna call this guy a leader. :oldlol:

[DoctorP]

How do people excuse that? Even worse they wanna call this guy a leader. :oldlol:


then he moped in Houston and then got bounced by Kobe and Shaq by way of a CHOKE in Portland

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[Hey Yo]

dunno if thats a good comparison

pippen didnt win without mj

150+ posts in 2 days.

:biggums: :oldlol:

[8Ball]

Pippen never quit his team 3x. Mentally stronger.

[97 bulls]

How do people excuse that? Even worse they wanna call this guy a leader. :oldlol:

Do you think Jordan retiring 3 weeks before the season was wrong?

[Reggie43]

Its not fair to define a player based on a single play or a few instances but Pip sitting out on the last 1.8 secs. of a playoff game
was pretty inexcusable and I wonder how he would tackle that on his book.

I dont even think anyone on here has even tried to justify him doing that even with the army of trolls praising him to death or even his real fans.

He was still a good leader regardless and every player has had their bad days but those Bulls were equally led by Phil/Jordan/Pippen. Nobody was above anyone because they needed each others leadership style to make it all work.

[Shooter]

Pippen never quit his team 3x. Mentally stronger.

Jordan retired three times in eight years. Is that a legit NBA record? :lol

Quitting Titles and Scoring Tiles :lol

MJ got three Quitting Titles:roll:

[Shooter]

150+ posts in 2 days.

:biggums: :oldlol:

3ball alt on fire :lol

[97 bulls]

Its not fair to define a player based on a single play or a few instances but Pip sitting out on the last 1.8 secs. of a playoff game
was pretty inexcusable and I wonder how he would tackle that on his book.

I dont even think anyone on here has even tried to justify him doing that even with the army of trolls praising him to death or even his real fans.

He was still a good leader regardless and every player has had their bad days but those Bulls were equally led by Phil/Jordan/Pippen. Nobody was above anyone because they needed each others leadership style to make it all work.

He was wrong for doing that to his team. I do understand why he did that though. But it seems the Jordan trolls hate him for it. Like seriously hate him. I mean his teammates forgave him. Why wont they?

[ELITEpower23]

3ball alt on fire :lol

3balt :lol

[Reggie43]

He was wrong for doing that to his team. I do understand why he did that though. But it seems the Jordan trolls hate him for it. Like seriously hate him. I mean his teammates forgave him. Why wont they?

They hate him because he is being used in the anti-jordan agenda its as simple as that. Then these guys would proceed to use the same tactics against the posters on the other side, just a never ending cycle with each side being equally bad regardless of who you think the Goat is

[MadDog]

He was wrong for doing that to his team. I do understand why he did that though.

Would've never happened under MJ. Jordan would have his knee on Pippen's neck.

[Shooter]

Would've never happened under MJ. Jordan would have his knee on Pippen's neck.

Okay coach, chill out with the racist shit.

[MadDog]

Okay coach, chill out with the racist shit.

Not being literal. If Pippen pulled that in front of Jordan, don't think Jordan would've ever forgotten it.

[Iverson3]

That’s the difference between me and you Jordan zombies, look at my avatar. I’m a Bulls fan. And a big Jordan fan. You bitches are nothing but Jordan fanatics. I’m not gonna sit here and let you ungrateful punks disparage a man that literally have his back for his teams success.

'97 Bulls schooling these Jordantards

[Shooter]

Not being literal. If Pippen pulled that in front of Jordan, don't think Jordan would've ever forgotten it.

Coach...

[MadDog]

Coach...

Yesterday someone here asked if I coached AAU. Explain the pun. :confusedshrug:

[Spurs m8]

Imagine not entering the last possession of a playoff game because you weren't getting the last shot called for you by the coach? Then imagine the team hitting that shot and winning anyways?

DEFINITION OF A LOSER

Exactly

Yet here he is, trying to sell his book like he was the real leader hahahaha

Sounds more like a LeLeader to me

[Spurs m8]

They hate him because he is being used in the anti-jordan agenda its as simple as that. Then these guys would proceed to use the same tactics against the posters on the other side, just a never ending cycle with each side being equally bad regardless of who you think the Goat is

No one cares he's being used in an anti-jordan agenda.

Nothing Pipppen did or didn't do can change the GOAT...Jordan stamped that himself with his own play and abilities.

Unlike someone else, didn't need a flurry of all star calibre players in their primes

[Shooter]

Yesterday someone here asked if I coached AAU. Explain the pun. :confusedshrug:

It's your alt account.

Samurai Swish
Scottie Poutin
Mad Dog

All your alts, etc. I'm sure I'm missing some

[MadDog]

It's your alt account.

Samurai Swish
Scottie Poutin
Mad Dog

All your alts, etc. I'm sure I'm missing some

Neither of those are my accounts. I'm a Dog though, shooter. Wont deny that :cheers:

[Shooter]

https://i.postimg.cc/htXtRS9y/MJ-crying-to-refs.jpg

[DoctorP]

Exactly

Yet here he is, trying to sell his book like he was the real leader hahahaha

Sounds more like a LeLeader to me

Thats right. Pipoen also didn't rehab and prolonged injury for contract negotiation after signing a stupid contract.

The guys a bitch

https://i.imgur.com/mHM3DMk.gif?noredirect

[Airupthere]

Yesterday someone here asked if I coached AAU. Explain the pun. :confusedshrug:

Basically anyone that does not stan Lebron they consider to be this poster called "coach". They could not accept the fact that there are a lot of individuals that just don't buy Lebron's BS. They think it has to be the same person.

[000]

Basically anyone that does not stan Lebron they consider to be this poster called "coach". They could not accept the fact that there are a lot of individuals that just don't buy Lebron's BS. They think it has to be the same person.
either "coach" or "3ball". they are shook

[DoctorP]

My final ether on Pippen is thus:

Dude cant even stay with a real woman, he keeps dating little girls that stan him. Cant take the heat from a woman that is on his level.

A bitch


.bwahahahahh

[MadDog]

My final ether on Pippen is thus:

Dude cant even stay with a real woman, he keeps dating little girls that stan him. Cant take the heat from a woman that is on his level.

A bitch


.bwahahahahh

Is 97bulls a keeper or just a rebound?

[AlternativeAcc.]

Riiiiight :lol

https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

Response? :lol

Scottie Pippen aka "Bill Russell"


His impact goes far beyond the stats of course, but its cool to see he dominated statistically and carried the bulls in every way.

[DidUSaySomethin]

Thats right. Pipoen also didn't rehab and prolonged injury for contract negotiation after signing a stupid contract.

The guys a bitch

https://i.imgur.com/mHM3DMk.gif?noredirect

But he still played. Jordan retired in his prime, potentially costing his team a championship.

[Spurs m8]

But he still played. Jordan retired in his prime, potentially costing his team a championship.

Imagine someone thinking there's more to life than basketball....
Especially when you conquered it anyway

[DoctorP]

But he still played. Jordan retired in his prime, potentially costing his team a championship.

Weak. I bet he sits out sex with his wife to watch 😂

[DoctorP]

I think pippens a great player but you jordan haters and pippen cultists must be put in check

[Spurs m8]

Weak. I bet he sits out sex with his wife to watch ��

Fvcking hell hahahahhah

[RogueBorg]

When reading Jordan's Rules years ago by Sam Smith, I got the impression that Bill Cartwright was the leader of that '91 team.

You prove time and time again you have zero reading comprehension. Cartwright was never the leader of any Bulls team.

[Bawkish]

But he still played. Jordan retired in his prime, potentially costing his team a championship.

then won 3 more after making a comeback

yeah shame on MJ for missing that one season

[DidUSaySomethin]

Imagine someone thinking there's more to life than basketball....
Especially when you conquered it anyway

Jordan's retirements cost the Bulls a championship yet he criticized Pippen for sitting out in '98. He's a hypocrite.


Weak. I bet he sits out sex with his wife to watch 😂

Superstars today are too competitive to retire in their prime.


then won 3 more after making a comeback

yeah shame on MJ for missing that one season

Could've won 7 — maybe 8 if he hadn't retired

[000]

Superstars today are too competitive to retire in their prime.

Could've won 7 — maybe 8 if he hadn't retired
Yeah, Ive always thought that jordan guy was too noncompetitive to be top 30. Hes only got 6 fvmps, hahaha what a joke

[DidUSaySomethin]

Yeah, Ive always thought that jordan guy was too noncompetitive to be top 30. Hes only got 6 fvmps, hahaha what a joke

We're talking about Jordan's competitiveness, not his career accomplishments. The greatest athletes of all time — Gretzky, Messi, Pele, Mayweather — were far too competitive to retire in their prime.

What's Jordan's excuse?

[000]

We're talking about Jordan's competitiveness, not his career accomplishments. The greatest athletes of all time — Gretzky, Messi, Pele, Mayweather — were far too competitive to retire in their prime.

What's Jordan's excuse?
Im with you dude, jordan sucked and was a pussу. He was the most uncompetitive ever

[Spurs m8]

Im with you dude, jordan sucked and was a pussу. He was the most uncompetitive ever

That guy has such a small world, one dimensional take

[000]

That guy has such a small world, one dimensional take
"the guy who outcompeted everyone else is noncompetitive" is certainly an interesting opinion

[SATAN]

No one actually thought Pippen was a bitch back in the day.

[RogueBorg]

No one actually thought Pippen was a bitch back in the day.

Yes they did. Dude you have no idea what you're talking about. I was on the local sports talk shows back then, Dan Jiggets and Mike North on the Score. We used to call and debate Pippen all the time. It reached it's crescendo when he pulled his 1.8 second fiasco versus the Knicks in 1994. And if you don't believe what the fans thought, go ask the Pistons what they thought of Pippen prior to 1991. They thought he was soft especially when he had his migraine for game 7 of the 1990 Eastern Conference Finals.

"Oh, maybe not loud enough for him to hear, although there is the occasional heckler with the ''Got a headache, Scottie?'' needle during a game. Mostly it has been whispered around the NBA: How can Scottie Pippen be a great player if he cannot perform at crucial times?"

"But around the league, Pippen remains known, perhaps most of all, for his failure in Game 7 last season. Also for leaving the final game of the conference finals in 1989 after being elbowed by Bill Laimbeer."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bulls/ct-chicago-bulls-scottie-pippen-headache-20200425-63n7ca5fw5dlpbldahug54v7ye-story.html

He pulled that crap in back to back close out games of the Eastern Conference Finals.

Revisionist historians who know nothing about what they're talking about, only able to read box scores, GTFO

[SATAN]

Yes they did. Dude you have no idea what you're talking about. I was on the local sports talk shows back then. It reached it's crescendo when he pulled his 1.8 second fiasco versus the Knicks in 1994. Go ask the Pistons what they thought of Pippen prior to 1991. They thought he was soft especially when he had his migraine for game 7 of the 1990 Eastern Conference Finals.

Hi Andrew :facepalm

[SATAN]

lmao and then the edit. Classic 3ball. Just post it on your other account.

[Jasper]

Imagine not entering the last possession of a playoff game because you weren't getting the last shot called for you by the coach? Then imagine the team hitting that shot and winning anyways?

DEFINITION OF A LOSER

your a loser for bringing something up decades ago.
Why don't you bring up the dominance of the Celtics and Lakers.... maybe you would have a legit argument.
/

[theman93]

https://i.ibb.co/zZXjNdv/scottiequittin.png
https://i.ibb.co/CzhQ3Fz/scottiequittin2.png

[RogueBorg]

Hi Andrew :facepalm

Classic Red Herring

Examples of red herring in a Sentence
The argument is a red herring. It actually has nothing to do with the issue.

[SATAN]

Definitely 3ball

[Airupthere]

Classic Red Herring

Examples of red herring in a Sentence
The argument is a red herring. It actually has nothing to do with the issue.

A stan is a stan. Nothing you can do about that.

[DoctorP]

Oh yeah remember when Pipp had a nervous breakdown against the Pistons?

This soft fragile bitch was no Grant Hill

And now hes crying about that shitty jordan doc.

Pippens a weak ass bitch

[RogueBorg]

https://i.ibb.co/zZXjNdv/scottiequittin.png
https://i.ibb.co/CzhQ3Fz/scottiequittin2.png

When Jordan retired the Bulls went from Three-Peating to nothing while Pippen was in charge. Pippen beckons for MJ to comeback on television...

https://media4.giphy.com/media/JO9l9C4I21g4M/giphy_s.gif

...MJ returns and the Bulls start Three-Peating again.

Krause breaks up the Bulls, Pippen goes his separate way and goes back to doing nothing just like 1994 and 1995.

[RogueBorg]

Definitely 3ball

Think so huh?

You're not very bright. Our writing styles are nothing alike. But you keep on believing that son.

[theman93]

https://i.ibb.co/BTSyGx1/scottiequittin3.png

[theman93]

https://i.ibb.co/2cLjftV/scottiequittin4.png

[SATAN]

Think so huh?

You're not very bright. Our writing styles are nothing alike. But you keep on believing that son.

Ok 3ball

[Shooter]

When Jordan retired the Bulls went from Three-Peating to nothing while Pippen was in charge. Pippen beckons for MJ to comeback on television...

https://media4.giphy.com/media/JO9l9C4I21g4M/giphy_s.gif

...MJ returns and the Bulls start Three-Peating again.

Krause breaks up the Bulls, Pippen goes his separate way and goes back to doing nothing just like 1994 and 1995.

Andrew...

[1987_Lakers]

You prove time and time again you have zero reading comprehension. Cartwright was never the leader of any Bulls team.

Then why did the Bulls vote him to be co-captain of the team? Stfu.

[Shooter]

Then why did the Bulls vote him to be co-captain of the team? Stfu.


:lebronamazed: Gottem

[theman93]

Then why did the Bulls vote him to be co-captain of the team? Stfu.

Yeah...he just proved you do actually lack reading comprehension LOL.

A co-captain does not make you the leader.

It makes you a leader.

GED programs are available to high school dropouts just in case you wanted to enroll.

[000]

The pecking order analogy somebody made earlier probably applies

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah...he just proved you do actually lack reading comprehension LOL.

A co-captain does not make you the leader.

It makes you a leader.

GED programs are available to high school dropouts just in case you wanted to enroll.

Grasping at straws I see. :oldlol:

[Airupthere]

Then why did the Bulls vote him to be co-captain of the team? Stfu.

I dont know if the "co" means anything to you. And lol if you truly believe cartwright was the leader of that team.

[Shooter]

Grasping at straws I see. :oldlol:

:lol :lol

[000]

I dont know if the "co" means anything to you. And lol if you truly believe cartwright was the leader of that team.
Put some respect on top 10 of all time bill cartwrights name

[1987_Lakers]

I dont know if the "co" means anything to you. And lol if you truly believe cartwright was the leader of that team.

He was the bonafide leader, teammates hated MJ.

/thread

[Airupthere]

He was the bonafide leader, teammates hated MJ.

/thread

Glad to see you define leader as the most likeable one. Lol.

[theman93]

Grasping at straws I see. :oldlol:

Basic English is not grasping at straws you idiot :facepalm

co-, prefix.
co- comes from Latin, where it has the meaning "joint, jointly, together.''

Lmk how that GED program goes little guy :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Basic English is not grasping at straws you idiot :facepalm

co-, prefix.
co- comes from Latin, where it has the meaning "joint, jointly, together.''

Lmk how that GED program goes little guy :lol

Having a meltdown I see. :oldlol:

Cartwright > MJ

[RogueBorg]

He was the bonafide leader, teammates hated MJ.

/thread

2 days ago you said this

https://i.ibb.co/89fjM2J/lakers.png

Today, he's the bonafide leader...you are an idiot.

[1987_Lakers]

2 days ago you said this

https://i.ibb.co/89fjM2J/lakers.png

Today, he's the bonafide leader...you are an idiot.

Coming from a guy who judges good defenders by only steals and blocks. Lmao.

[theman93]

Having a meltdown I see. :oldlol:

Cartwright > MJ

Nah your just deflecting because you didn’t know what the prefix “co-“ meant LOL.

[1987_Lakers]

Nah your just deflecting because you didn’t know what the prefix “co-“ meant LOL.

If it helps you sleep at night. MJ was nothing more than a bully, Cartwright was the man all the players went to for advice and trusted.

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[Shooter]

If it helps you sleep at night. MJ was nothing more than a bully, Cartwright was the man all the players went to for advice and trusted.

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:hammertime:


We got another WIN bois

:hammertime:

[3ball]

.
A list of Pippen's bitch moves


1988.... garbage rookie was carried to 2nd Round

1989.... garbage sophomore was carried to ECF... he quit once the series was tied 2-2

1990.... The infamous "migraine" cost the Bulls a title and 4-peat.. he quit once the series was tied 3-3.. (GOAT CHOKE)

1992..... the "X-Man Debacle" in the 1992 ECSF almost ended the Bulls' dynasty early

1993.... He had nothing left on the back leg of 3-peat, including a 2.0 BPM in playoffs with lower PER and WS/48 than 14' Wade.. 13' Wade was superior across the board (BPM, VORP, PER, and WS/48)

1994.... He caused loss with chokes in ECSF (the "sit out" game.. the "dumb foul" game.. and Game 7).. (GOAT CHOKE)

1995.... He had a .500 ballclub before Jordan returned and carried him to 13-4 and then another 3-peat in his first full seasons back

1996-1998.... Worst-ever performance in the Finals for a sidekick (15 on 34%)... 17/7/5 on 41% for entire 96-98' Playoffs

1998.... Had surgery on company time, so MJ carried the Bulls to the 1 seed for the first 35 games that Pippen was out - this move put the entire three-peat in jeopardy and they barely won that year.

1999.... Demolished by Kobe in 1st Round (18 on 32%)

2000.... Lost a 17 point fourth quarter lead to lose the conference in Game 7 (GOAT CHOKE)

[RogueBorg]

Coming from a guy who judges good defenders by only steals and blocks. Lmao.

Jordan's career BPG 0.8
L-86ron's career BPG 0.7

Jordan's career SPG 2.3
L-86ron's career SPG 1.6

Jordan 9x All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
L-86ron 5x All-NBA Defensive 1st Team

Jordan 1x DPOY
L-86ron 0 DPOY

Did I miss anything?

[DoctorP]

https://media.tenor.com/images/35195985311386a733e3d6e317eaebcb/tenor.gif

[1987_Lakers]

Jordan's career BPG 0.8
L-86ron's career BPG 0.7

Jordan's career SPG 2.3
L-86ron's career SPG 1.6

Jordan 9x All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
L-86ron 5x All-NBA Defensive 1st Team

Jordan 1x DPOY
L-86ron 0 DPOY

Did I miss anything?

Thanks for proving my point. Imagine thinking Iverson was a better defender than Bruce Bowen cause he has more steals, or Mark Eaton being a better defender than Duncan or Garnett cause he averaged more blocks.

And we all know All-Defensive teams can be deceiving, proven by some Kobe's selections, Phil Jackson himself didnt think he was all that good of a defender some seasons.

Low IQ poster.

[RogueBorg]

Thanks for proving my point. Imagine thinking Iverson was a better defender than Bruce Bowen cause he has more steals, or Mark Eaton being a better defender than Duncan or Garnett cause he averaged more blocks.

And we all know All-Defensive teams can be deceiving, proven by some Kobe's selections, Phil Jackson himself didnt think he was all that good of a defender some seasons.

Low IQ poster.

So you're going to just ignore the DPOY?

https://media3.giphy.com/media/Ae44DIQABSe6Q/giphy.gif

[1987_Lakers]

So you're going to just ignore the DPOY?

https://media3.giphy.com/media/Ae44DIQABSe6Q/giphy.gif

Marcus Camby has a DPOY, Duncan doesnt. Does that make Camby a better defender?

Again, low IQ.

[RogueBorg]

Marcus Camby has a DPOY, Duncan doesnt. Does that make Camby a better defender?

Again, low IQ.

You really are a retard. You have no reasoning skills. If Duncan didn't have 15 All-NBA-Defensive Team awards to Camby's 4x....

[1987_Lakers]

You really are a retard. You have no reasoning skills.

Meltdown

[1987_Lakers]

You really are a retard. You have no reasoning skills. If Duncan didn't have 15 All-NBA-Defensive Team awards to Camby's 4x....

You just dont have the intelligence to breakdown a defender individually, breaking down their strengths and weaknesses on that end. Just resort to accolades that any idiot can look up. The fact that you use steals and blocks as your main points to prop a defender tells me you're not very smart.

Low IQ.

[MadDog]

LeBron's chasedown blocks don't compare to Jordan's man defense. Or even the help defense Jordan formulated with Pippen. Compared to LeBron, Jordan has a better combo of DPOYs and All-Def Teams. Also a better career defensive +/- and Defensive Rating.

Jordan's shoes are still too big to fill.

[theman93]

You just dont have the intelligence to breakdown a defender individually, breaking down their strengths and weaknesses on that end. Just resort to accolades that any idiot can look up. The fact that you use steals and blocks as your main points to prop a defender tells me you're not very smart.

Low IQ.

You say other people aren't smart when you don't even understand basic prefixes? LOL

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/50/eb/9e/50eb9ea3216d6beea4b19cd1c525d50a.gif

/thread

[1987_Lakers]

You say other people aren't smart when you don't even understand basic prefixes? LOL

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/50/eb/9e/50eb9ea3216d6beea4b19cd1c525d50a.gif

/thread

I know you're upset a low end starter Cartwright was looked as the leader on the team, but no need to take out your frustrations on others. Accept the truth and move on.

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[RogueBorg]

You just dont have the intelligence to breakdown a defender individually, breaking down their strengths and weaknesses on that end. Just resort to accolades that any idiot can look up. The fact that you use steals and blocks as your main points to prop a defender tells me you're not very smart.

Low IQ.

How old are you? I'll bet you never saw Jordan in his prime. I know you don't know anything about the '87 Lakers. How exactly are you breaking down his game?

[Airupthere]

How old are you? I'll bet you never saw Jordan in his prime. And if that's true how exactly are you breaking down his game?

I was thinking about that too. Seems old because of his name but too much of a troll to be of matured age.

[RogueBorg]

I was thinking about that too. Seems old because of his name but too much of a troll to be of matured age.

Reading his previous posts it's clear he knows very little about the 1987 Lakers which tells me he wasn't around to see them play. If that's true, then he wasn't around for Jordan's 1987-'88 season. Everything he knows about that era comes from Google.

[1987_Lakers]

How old are you? I'll bet you never saw Jordan in his prime. I know you don't know anything about the '87 Lakers. How exactly are you breaking down his game?

Ive been on this forum since 2007, that should give you an idea of how old I am.

[1987_Lakers]

I was thinking about that too. Seems old because of his name but too much of a troll to be of matured age.

Got to love it when posters defend known trollers who are getting trolled.

[RogueBorg]

Ive been on this forum since 2007, that should give you an idea of how old I am.

I'm guessing mid to late 20's. Since you seem to be very knowledgeable could you break down Jordan's defensive game for us?

[Airupthere]

Got to love it when posters defend known trollers who are getting trolled.

Not defending anyone. Much of your posts are clearly meant to convey that you are one with the bronsexuals. If you can not see that then that is proof in itself.

[1987_Lakers]

I'm guessing mid to late 20's. Since you seem to be very knowledgeable could you break down Jordan's defensive game for us?

Great man defender when determined with good help D, but too much of ball watcher at times, this weakness let his assignment break free multiple times for an open shot, very similar to Kobe. Because of his size, he never gave u the same defensive impact of someone like a Hakeem or D-Rob, which isn't a knock, just an obvious truth. Overall, an obvious positive impact defender, but I'll take 2012 LeBron's defense all day, he doesnt have the man D Jordan had, but he wasnt to far off, better help defender, less of a gambler, great size that made him effective in guarding multiple positions and of course his chase down blocks are a trademark.

[RogueBorg]

Great man defender when determined with good help D, but too much of ball watcher at times, this weakness let his assignment break free multiple times for an open shot, very similar to Kobe. Because of his size, he never gave u the same defensive impact of someone like a Hakeem or D-Rob, which isn't a knock, just an obvious truth. Overall, an obvious positive impact defender, but I'll take 2012 LeBron's defense all day, he doesnt have the man D Jordan had, but he wasnt to far off, better help defender, less of a gambler, great size that made him effective in guarding multiple positions and of course his chase down blocks are a trademark.

Not bad, when did you start watching basketball?

[1987_Lakers]

Not defending anyone. Much of your posts are clearly meant to convey that you are one with the bronsexuals. If you can not see that then that is proof in itself.

Am I missing something? The two posters I'm arguing with are known MJsexuals, theman93 has made multiple troll threads hating on LeBron. I get great satisfaction trolling them back, give them a taste of their own medicine. Sue me.

The thing with me is that I don't go around making threads all day trying to troll MJ and his stans, I do it in their own threads.

[Airupthere]

Am I missing something? The two posters I'm arguing with are known MJsexuals, theman93 has made multiple troll threads hating on LeBron. I get great satisfaction trolling them back, give them a taste of their own medicine. Sue me.

The thing with me is that I don't go around making threads all day trying to troll MJ and his stans, I do it in their own threads.

Well there you go. Don't blame me. Your message is clear.

[RogueBorg]

Great man defender when determined with good help D, but too much of ball watcher at times, this weakness let his assignment break free multiple times for an open shot, very similar to Kobe. Because of his size, he never gave u the same defensive impact of someone like a Hakeem or D-Rob, which isn't a knock, just an obvious truth. Overall, an obvious positive impact defender, but I'll take 2012 LeBron's defense all day, he doesnt have the man D Jordan had, but he wasnt to far off, better help defender, less of a gambler, great size that made him effective in guarding multiple positions and of course his chase down blocks are a trademark.

I don't think you're old enough to have actually seen him play, I could be wrong, but I think you're logging on to a website for your information. Am I wrong?

[theman93]

Great man defender when determined with good help D, but too much of ball watcher at times, this weakness let his assignment break free multiple times for an open shot, very similar to Kobe. Because of his size, he never gave u the same defensive impact of someone like a Hakeem or D-Rob, which isn't a knock, just an obvious truth. Overall, an obvious positive impact defender.

I had to delete half of it because you rambled on about Lebron. This isn't a break down. All you did here was compare his size to 7 footers (again this is a comparison not a break down of his defense), call him a great man defender (in a break down you need to describe what he actually did that made him a great man defender), call him a good help defender (again what did he actually do to make him good at help defense?) and that he watched the ball too much at times. This is pitiful if we're being objective. You just made generalizations.

[1987_Lakers]

Well there you go. Don't blame me. Your message is clear.

Pretty much every poster on this forum trolls at some point, don't be surprised.

[RogueBorg]

Because of his size, he never gave u the same defensive impact of someone like a Hakeem or D-Rob, which isn't a knock, just an obvious truth.

The flip side of that is because of their size, centers can't go out and defend smaller players either.

Patrick Ewing - "He got me a couple of times," says former New York Knicks center Patrick Ewing. "The thing about him and Scottie was they were big enough, strong enough and athletic enough to challenge a guy like me. Michael could take that initial bump. Most guys couldn't or didn't want to absorb the contact. He didn't care."