Is LeBron the only top 5 player that always faced a deficit?

[Shooter]

Data for the Finals:

LeBron’s Teams

2007: 1 each (LeBron, Duncan)
2011: 2 versus 1 (LeBron, Wade and Dirk)
2012: 2 each (LeBron, Wade and Durant, Westbrook)
2013: 2 each (LeBron, Wade and Duncan, Parker)
2014: 1 each (LeBron and Parker)
2015: 1 versus 2 (LeBron, Curry, Thompson)
2016: 1 versus 3 (LeBron and Curry, Thompson, Green)
2017: 1 versus 3 (LeBron and Durant, Curry, Green)
2018: 1 versus 2 (LeBron and Durant, Curry)
2020: 2 versus 1 (LeBron, Davis and Butler)
Totals: 14 for LeBron’s teams, 18 for the opposition

Jordan’s Teams

1991: 1 versus 2 (Jordan and Magic, Worthy)
1992: 2 versus 1 (Jordan, Pippen and Drexler)
1993: 2 versus 1 (Jordan, Pippen and Barkely)
1996: 2 each (Jordan, Pippen and Payton, Kemp)
1997: 2 each (Jordan, Pippen and Malone, Stockton)
1998: 2 versus 1 (Jordan, Pippen and Malone)
Totals: 11 for Jordan’s teams, 9 for the opposition

Jordan’s teams had the edge in three of his six finals and parity in two more. Only in 91’ did the opposing team have the edge and Worthy went down in Game 4 of the series.

Kareem’s Teams

1971: 2 versus 1 (Kareem, Oscar and G. Johnson)
1974: 1 each (Kareem and Havlicek)
1980: 1 each (Kareem and Erving)
1982: 1 each (Magic and Erving)
1983: 2 each (Kareem, Magic and Moses, Erving)
1984: 2 versus 1 (Kareem, Magic and Bird)
1985: 2 versus 1 (Kareem, Magic and Bird)
Total: 11 for Kareem’s teams, 8 for the opposition


Here it basically was even until 1984 (7-6), when Kareem was 37 years old by the playoffs.

What is striking is Kareem had only one all-NBA teammate in his career (Oscar in 71') until 82' (when he was 34 and past his prime)

RECAP:
All NBA teammates vs Opposition

LBJ: 14 teammates vs 18 opposition (-4)
MJ: 11 teammates vs 9 opposition (+2)
KAJ: 11 teammates vs 8 opposition (+3)

Is LeBron the only top 5 player that always faced a deficit?

[000]

Data for the Finals:

LeBron’s Teams

2007: 1 each (LeBron, Duncan)
2011: 2 versus 1 (LeBron, Wade and Dirk)
2012: 2 each (LeBron, Wade and Durant, Westbrook)
2013: 2 each (LeBron, Wade and Duncan, Parker)
2014: 1 each (LeBron and Parker)
2015: 2 each (LeBron, Curry, Thompson)
2016: 1 versus 3 (LeBron and Curry, Thompson, Green)
2017: 1 versus 3 (LeBron and Durant, Curry, Green)
2018: 1 versus 2 (LeBron and Durant, Curry)
Totals: 12 for LeBron’s teams, 17 for the opposition


damn, a deficit every time for 9 years? i wonder what the common thread on all those teams is

[ArbitraryWater]

1 what?

and it says 2 each in 2015

[theman93]

Data for the Finals:

LeBron’s Teams

2007: 1 each (LeBron, Duncan)
2011: 2 versus 1 (LeBron, Wade and Dirk)
2012: 2 each (LeBron, Wade and Durant, Westbrook)
2013: 2 each (LeBron, Wade and Duncan, Parker)
2014: 1 each (LeBron and Parker)
2015: 2 each (LeBron, Curry, Thompson)
2016: 1 versus 3 (LeBron and Curry, Thompson, Green)
2017: 1 versus 3 (LeBron and Durant, Curry, Green)
2018: 1 versus 2 (LeBron and Durant, Curry)
Totals: 12 for LeBron’s teams, 17 for the opposition

You mean to tell me in Lebron's first 6 Finals appearances he either had the advantage or was evenly matched and only won 2/6? Daquf?

Also, you left out 2020, 2 versus 1.

[ImKobe]

2009: KG gets injured, Jameer Nelson injured and Lebron still can't make the Finals
2010: Gets Jamison and Shaq and still can't make the Finals
2011: Kobe injured and Lebron loses to a 1-man Mavs team in the Finals
2012: Rose ACL, Howard injured, lockout season, finally wins a title
2013: Westbrook injury so the Spurs make the Finals. Tony Parker gets injured in the Finals, Lebron needs Kawhi & Manu to miss FTs & Ray Allen to bail him out
2014: Ibaka injury, Spurs make the Finals and blow the Heat out by a record margin
2015: Love and Irving injured, we'll give him that. Is up 2 - 1 at home and gets blown out despite Mozgov's 28/10
2016: Steph knee injury, Bogut season-ending knee injury, Iggy back injury, needs Silver to suspend Draymond & a Kyrie Game-Winner in Game 7 to win
2017 & 2018: Both teams healthy, Lebron wins 1 out of 9 Finals games
2020: Dame injured, Westbrook injured, Bam & Dragic injured, Mickey Mouse title after getting a 4-month break right before the Playoffs

[ArbitraryWater]

2009: KG gets injured, Jameer Nelson injured and Lebron still can't make the Finals
2010: Gets Jamison and Shaq and still can't make the Finals
2011: Kobe injured and Lebron loses to a 1-man Mavs team in the Finals
2012: Rose ACL, Howard injured, lockout season, finally wins a title
2013: Westbrook injury so the Spurs make the Finals. Tony Parker gets injured in the Finals, Lebron needs Kawhi & Manu to miss FTs & Ray Allen to bail him out
2014: Ibaka injury, Spurs make the Finals and blow the Heat out by a record margin
2015: Love and Irving injured, we'll give him that. Is up 2 - 1 at home and gets blown out despite Mozgov's 28/10
2016: Steph knee injury, Bogut season-ending knee injury, Iggy back injury, needs Silver to suspend Draymond & a Kyrie Game-Winner in Game 7 to win
2017 & 2018: Both teams healthy, Lebron wins 1 out of 9 Finals games
2020: Dame injured, Westbrook injured, Bam & Dragic injured, Mickey Mouse title after getting a 4-month break right before the Playoffs


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[Shooter]

You mean to tell me in Lebron's first 6 Finals appearances he either had the advantage or was evenly matched and only won 2/6? Daquf?

Also, you left out 2020, 2 versus 1.

RECAP:
All NBA teammates vs Opposition

LBJ: 14 teammates vs 18 opposition (22.2% deficit)
MJ: 11 teammates vs 9 opposition (22.2% advantage)
KAJ: 11 teammates vs 8 opposition (37.5% advantage)

MJ's overall teammate advantage over LeBron is 22.2 + 22.2 = 44.4% advantage

Is LeBron the only top 5 player that always faced a deficit?

[000]

RECAP:
Is LeBron the only top 5 player that always faced a deficit?
yeah, which is horrible if you take his collusions into account

[theman93]

RECAP:
All NBA teammates vs Opposition

LBJ: 14 teammates vs 18 opposition (22.2% deficit)
MJ: 11 teammates vs 9 opposition (22.2% advantage)
KAJ: 11 teammates vs 8 opposition (37.5% advantage)

MJ's overall teammate advantage over LeBron is 22.2 + 22.2 = 44.4% advantage

Is LeBron the only top 5 player that always faced a deficit?


Do you know what always means?

[Shooter]

yeah, which is horrible if you take his collusions into account

So was LeBron decolluding? Was he trying to make the league more balanced by playing with non all NBA players?

[000]

So was LeBron decolluding? Was he trying to make the league more balanced by playing with non all NBA players?
shit like allnba is awarded based on team record

serious question: did you think 2019 lebron was a kyle lowry-level guy?

[deathawaitu]

Low IQ OP with another meltdown thread lol

Keep them coming McDonald boy :roll:

[And1AllDay]

Low IQ OP with another meltdown thread lol

Keep them coming McDonald boy :roll:

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nice name nigel :oldlol:

[kawhileonard2]

Yes Lebron has always been down in a series every year of his career at least 3-2 when fans were in the stadium. All other all time greats have gone thru the playoffs without being down in a series 3-2.