Why are ppl worried about Harden/Kyrie - it's almost like scoring help is everything

[3ball]

News to me - Jordan made me think everyone won with trash scoring help... :confusedshrug:

* 45 in Game 6 of 98' Finals (pip 8 pts)

* 46 in Game 3 of 89' ECF (pip 7)


That's just a couple examples - Jordan was always beating the best with trash scoring help (carry-jobs).

Infact, he routinely won series against top 5 SRS teams with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, such as the 96 and 98' Finals or the historic upset in the 89' First Round (franchise-changing upset).

[Spurs m8]

News to me - Jordan made me think everyone won with trash scoring help... :confusedshrug:

* 45 in Game 6 of 98' Finals (pip 8 pts)

* 46 in Game 3 of 89' ECF (pip 7)


That's just a couple examples - Jordan was always beating the best with trash scoring help (carry-jobs).

Not everyone can have a sidekick putting up nearly 30ppg average in a Finals series

[Vino24]

Everything is solved with Harden because he lets them feast. However with just Durant now the offense is stagnant (late 80’s MJ)

[3ball]

Everything is solved with Harden because he lets them feast. However with just Durant now the offense is stagnant (late 80’s MJ)


Jordan was Harden in 1989

Except less ball-dominant, so his scoring was still partially assisted, thereby elevating teammates and their role

[Vino24]

Jordan was Harden in 1989

Except less ball-dominant, so his scoring was still partially assisted, thereby elevating teammates and their role

Minus the carryjobs and deep playoff runs. Sure

[3ball]

Minus the carryjobs and deep playoff runs. Sure


89' Jordan carried bums to the ECF and a tight series with a dynasty

He upset the #1 SRS Cavs and then Ewing's Knicks with zero help - the 89' Knicks > 18' Celtics

96-98' Jordan three-peated with his sidekick getting 17.6 on 41% (96-98' Playoffs)

[tpols]

Jordan would never win with Joe Harris as his 2nd option. That's who the Nets are relying on right now.

He'd go "1-9".

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan would never win with Joe Harris as his 2nd option. That's who the Nets are relying on right now.

He'd go "1-9".
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[8Ball]

Jordan would never win with Joe Harris as his 2nd option. That's who the Nets are relying on right now.

He'd go "1-9".

Correct.

We have no faith in Durant winning this series because he plays a lot like Jordan.

Just scores but doesn't know how to get his teammates involved.

[Axe]

Jordan would never win with Joe Harris as his 2nd option. That's who the Nets are relying on right now.

He'd go "1-9".
Wow, you've come a long way now to go against your brilliant master huh? :ohwell:

[tpols]

Wow, you've come a long way now to go against your brilliant master huh? :ohwell:

Dummy I tell the truth.

About whatever.

[Axe]

Dummy I tell the truth.

About whatever.
So lebron should be better than him now at this point, right?

[Shooter]

Pippen made $18M over 8 years, that's a $2.25M/year player and you're compating him to a $45M/year player? You lost

Next :lol

[Ne 1]

It's no problem if your sidekick doesn’t score 20+ when the other team is struggling to score 80. But try going up against a team spamming 20 3s and scoring 130 points with a low scoring sidekick and let me know how that goes.

[coin24]

What’s with this wheelchair f@ggot and its anti MJ rubbish..:confusedshrug:

[000]

News to me - Jordan made me think everyone won with trash scoring help... :confusedshrug:

* 45 in Game 6 of 98' Finals (pip 8 pts)

* 46 in Game 3 of 89' ECF (pip 7)


That's just a couple examples - Jordan was always beating the best with trash scoring help (carry-jobs).

Infact, he routinely won series against top 5 SRS teams with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, such as the 96 and 98' Finals or the historic upset in the 89' First Round (franchise-changing upset).
also 1993 when pippen averaged 46% ts

[Shooter]

Jordan would never win with Joe Harris as his 2nd option. That's who the Nets are relying on right now.

He'd go "1-9".

/thread

[HoopsNY]

It's no problem if your sidekick doesn’t score 20+ when the other team is struggling to score 80. But try going up against a team spamming 20 3s and scoring 130 points with a low scoring sidekick and let me know how that goes.

In fairness, the Bucks are averaging about 108 PPG in this year's playoffs. The Pistons in '89 averaged about 107, with an elite defense. Scoring was very much needed then.

[ImKobe]

Everything is solved with Harden because he lets them feast. However with just Durant now the offense is stagnant (late 80’s MJ)

MJ could initiate the offense though, he was a much better ball-handler and had a higher motor than KD. Durant can create for others as well, but he's just not fast enough and doesn't have a tight enough handle to be consistently breaking down an elite defense like the Bucks off the dribble for 40 minutes, not the 32 y.o post-achilles KD anyway.

[3ball]

Jordan would never win with Joe Harris as his 2nd option. That's who the Nets are relying on right now.

He'd go "1-9".


Joe Harris can't get 15 on 40% like Pippen?

Jordan had to win with that all the time

Forget the name and focus on the performance

If the Nets win tonight, Joe Harris will probably play better than Pippen did offensively.. he'll probably have like 20 points or something, with sick spacing.. Jordan wouldn't lose with that kind of help

[HoopsNY]

Joe Harris can't get 15 on 40% like Pippen?

Jordan had to win with that all the time

Forget the name and focus on the performance

If the Nets win tonight, Joe Harris will probably play better than Pippen did offensively.. he'll probably have like 20 points or something, with sick spacing.. Jordan wouldn't lose with that kind of help

That's nonsense. Pippen averaged above 16 PPG at least 26 times playing in Chicago and only scored less than that roughly 8 or 9 times.

[Shooter]

Jordan would never win with Joe Harris as his 2nd option. That's who the Nets are relying on right now.

He'd go "1-9".

https://i.postimg.cc/rwtqBmCf/90s-cavemen.jpg

[3ball]

That's nonsense. Pippen averaged above 16 PPG at least 26 times playing in Chicago and only scored less than that roughly 8 or 9 times.


Jordan beat the very best with Pippen averaging below 16 ppg, including the 96' and 98' Finals... And also the 89' First Round vs #1 SRS team (massive upset with low seed of rookies)

And when you say "above" 16 ppg, do you mean when he scored 16.6 on 39% in the 98' ECF, which nearly caused loss and the end of a 3-peat?? (Smits had 16.2 on 55%)

He averaged 17.6 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs (17/7/5)




That's nonsense. Pippen averaged above 16 PPG at least 26 times playing in Chicago and only scored less than that roughly 8 or 9 times.


Smits/Miller nearly beat the Bulls and took the 00' Lakers to 6 games (would've been 7 but Kobe won a game in OT)... So Smits/MJ win every year with that same Pacer cast..

Heck, Stockton/Malone beat Shaq/Duncan in 98' and were basically B2B champs, so Stockton/MJ would win every year.. Stockton is 8th all-time in BPM and has twice as many All-NBA as Pippen.

So this idea that Pippen was needed is false. Pippen was just the low-producing bum that came along after the super-team 80's, when expansion had spread the talent around evenly so 2-star teams could win... Obviously, anyone wins alongside the GOAT in a 2-star vs 2-star format... If only Woolridge could've been so lucky, smh

[tpols]

Joe Harris can't get 15 on 40% like Pippen?

Jordan had to win with that all the time

Forget the name and focus on the performance

If the Nets win tonight, Joe Harris will probably play better than Pippen did offensively.. he'll probably have like 20 points or something, with sick spacing.. Jordan wouldn't lose with that kind of help

Well we shall have an experiment tonight then. Lets see how Smokin Joe Harris does. Pippen played better defense although Harris has surprisingly elite defensive metrics.

[3ball]

Well we shall have an experiment tonight then. Lets see how Smokin Joe Harris does. Pippen played better defense although Harris has surprisingly elite defensive metrics.


Defense is a team thing, unlike the 2nd option scoring role (there's only 1).. Jordan won with guys failing their 2nd option scoring role.. Let's see if KD has to tonight

[SouBeachTalents]

Defense is a team thing, unlike the 2nd option scoring role (there's only 1).. Jordan won with guys failing their 2nd option scoring role.. Let's see if KD has to tonight
OP doesn't even know Harden's playing tonight :lol

[3ball]

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1993 ECF Game 4

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-16-2021/pYsFB0.gif



93' Finals Game 4

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-16-2021/0q5rS7.gif


Jordan beating the best with zero help

[Shooter]

OP doesn't even know Harden's playing tonight :lol

:roll::roll::roll:

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Harden honestly hurt the Nets even showing up so that's irrelevant

Also a dumb myth that MJ could not make others better even in the 80s