Mo Williams joined a 45-win loser in 2009

[3ball]

So he wasn't coattailing and infact made those Cavs good (league favorite and 66 wins)... That's why he was an all-star, despite getting less PPG and APG than before Lebron..

Ultimately, if Lebron had "bums" in 2009 despite the #3 defense and an all-star teammate, then Jordan had bums in 1990 when he had the #19 defense and a less productive all-star teammate (lower BPM, VORP, WS/48, PER, scoring, efficiency).

[Shooter]

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[000]

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[000]

So he wasn't coattailing and infact made those Cavs good (league favorite and 66 wins)... That's why he was an all-star, despite getting less PPG and APG than before Lebron..

Ultimately, if Lebron had "bums" in 2009 despite the #3 defense and an all-star teammate, then Jordan had bums in 1990 when he had the #19 defense and a less productive all-star teammate (lower BPM, VORP, WS/48, PER, scoring, efficiency).
dont forget jamison next season

[RRR3]

His PPG increased with LeBron. Highest of his career in fact. Why are you a liar?

[warriorfan]

The Mo Factor. Dude was a really nice player...

[theman93]

-86

LOL gotem

[8Ball]

Jordan was gifted a 55 win team.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Players in the season pre Bran Ball

Wade - 27/7/5 on 48/30/76 + Top 5 in MVP voting
Davis - 26/12/4 on 51/33/79
Bosh - 24/11/2 on 52/36/80 + Top 10 in MVP voting
Love - 26/13/4 on 46/38/82 + Top 10 in MVP voting
Kyrie - 21/6/4 on 43/36/86
IT - 29/6/3 on 46/38/91 + b2b AS and Top 5 in MVP voting
Antawn - 22/9/3 on 47/35/75
Hughes - 22/6/5 on 43/28/78 + Top 5 in DPOY voting
Ricky - 21/6/5 on 41/36/75
Ingram - 18/5/3 on 50/33/68
Mo - 17/6/4 on 48/39/86
Rose - 18/4/4 on 47/22/87
Big Z - 17/8/2 on 44/78 + All Star
George Hill - 17/4/3 on 48/40/80
Hood - 17/3/2 on 42/39/88
Boozer - 16/11/3 on 52/17/77
Wally - 15/3/2 on 42/42/90
JR - 15/4/3 on 42/39/65
Clarkson - 15/3/3 on 45/33/80
Crowder - 14/6/2 on 46/40/81
Ray - 14/3/3 on 46/45/92 + 2nd in league in 3PT shooting
KCP - 14/3/3/2 on 43/38/79
Kuzma - 16/6/2 on 45/37/71
Schroder - 19/4/4 on 47/39/84 + runnerup 6MOY
Trez - 19/7/2 on 58% - 6MOY
Drummond - 18/15/3/2 on 53% + led league in rebounding

[ShawkFactory]

Mo Williams was a bum.

Jordan never won with a second option like that.

The only two seasons of his career that he had a WS/48 over .100 were the two seasons he played with LeElevation.

[warriorfan]

Mo Williams was a bum.

Jordan never won with a second option like that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_9gGorAfqI

[3ball]

Players in the season pre Bran Ball

Wade - 27/7/5 on 48/30/76 + Top 5 in MVP voting
Davis - 26/12/4 on 51/33/79
Bosh - 24/11/2 on 52/36/80 + Top 10 in MVP voting
Love - 26/13/4 on 46/38/82 + Top 10 in MVP voting
Kyrie - 21/6/4 on 43/36/86
IT - 29/6/3 on 46/38/91 + b2b AS and Top 5 in MVP voting
Antawn - 22/9/3 on 47/35/75
Hughes - 22/6/5 on 43/28/78 + Top 5 in DPOY voting
Ricky - 21/6/5 on 41/36/75
Ingram - 18/5/3 on 50/33/68
Mo - 17/6/4 on 48/39/86
Rose - 18/4/4 on 47/22/87
Big Z - 17/8/2 on 44/78 + All Star
George Hill - 17/4/3 on 48/40/80
Hood - 17/3/2 on 42/39/88
Boozer - 16/11/3 on 52/17/77
Wally - 15/3/2 on 42/42/90
JR - 15/4/3 on 42/39/65
Clarkson - 15/3/3 on 45/33/80
Crowder - 14/6/2 on 46/40/81
Ray - 14/3/3 on 46/45/92 + 2nd in league in 3PT shooting
KCP - 14/3/3/2 on 43/38/79
Kuzma - 16/6/2 on 45/37/71
Schroder - 19/4/4 on 47/39/84 + runnerup 6MOY
Trez - 19/7/2 on 58% - 6MOY
Drummond - 18/15/3/2 on 53% + led league in rebounding


Holy f***

Lebron turns a normally high-assisted position into a low-assisted one - teammates can't get assists off of him (can't elevate).. spot-up shooter is their reduced role

[ShawkFactory]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_9gGorAfqI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xYNf7bzE0so

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs


The 09' Cavs had the #3 defense compared to #19 for the 90' Bulls, while Mo Williams was superior to Pippen offensively across the board (PER, WS/48, BPM, VORP, scoring, efficiency).

This matters because it means that Lebron had a better team on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan beat him to titles - Jordan won the following season in 91', while Lebron lost as the favorite again in 2010, despite adding Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite

[RRR3]

Stop bumping threads you piece of shit. We have other stuff to talk about besides your obsession.

[Gohan]

Stop bumping threads you piece of shit. We have other stuff to talk about besides your obsession.

Youre fuming cause your arguments are getting exposed stay mad. Set it off 3ball

[Blazers32]

:rolleyes:

[beasted]

Players in the season pre Bran Ball

Wade - 27/7/5 on 48/30/76 + Top 5 in MVP voting
Davis - 26/12/4 on 51/33/79
Bosh - 24/11/2 on 52/36/80 + Top 10 in MVP voting
Love - 26/13/4 on 46/38/82 + Top 10 in MVP voting
Kyrie - 21/6/4 on 43/36/86
IT - 29/6/3 on 46/38/91 + b2b AS and Top 5 in MVP voting
Antawn - 22/9/3 on 47/35/75
Hughes - 22/6/5 on 43/28/78 + Top 5 in DPOY voting
Ricky - 21/6/5 on 41/36/75
Ingram - 18/5/3 on 50/33/68
Mo - 17/6/4 on 48/39/86
Rose - 18/4/4 on 47/22/87
Big Z - 17/8/2 on 44/78 + All Star
George Hill - 17/4/3 on 48/40/80
Hood - 17/3/2 on 42/39/88
Boozer - 16/11/3 on 52/17/77
Wally - 15/3/2 on 42/42/90
JR - 15/4/3 on 42/39/65
Clarkson - 15/3/3 on 45/33/80
Crowder - 14/6/2 on 46/40/81
Ray - 14/3/3 on 46/45/92 + 2nd in league in 3PT shooting
KCP - 14/3/3/2 on 43/38/79
Kuzma - 16/6/2 on 45/37/71
Schroder - 19/4/4 on 47/39/84 + runnerup 6MOY
Trez - 19/7/2 on 58% - 6MOY
Drummond - 18/15/3/2 on 53% + led league in rebounding

Yikes. Branball would tell you these guys are bums and he had no help.

[JohnMax]

Pippen's sidekick was winning similar amount of games and going 1-9 in playoffs before he got his Lebron James.

[Axe]

Pippen's sidekick was winning similar amount of games and going 1-9 in playoffs before he got his Lebron James.
Lmao

[3ba11]

Pippen's sidekick was winning similar amount of games and going 1-9 in playoffs before he got his Lebron James.


Lebron, Durant, Giannis and Curry were lottery in their first few years, so you're knocking MJ for losing when nearly EVERYONE loses - so you have no legit criticism of MJ...

He never lost as the favorite or Finals, and won 6 FMVP without super-teams (no 3rd all-star) and without 1b's (no equal-scoring teammate to attract equal defensive attention, aka he defeated maximum defensive attention)..

That's the opposite of Lebron, who never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer.. He never carried the scoring load in the Finals because high scoring from Lebron is too ball-dominant to beat the best teams.

[8Ball]

Pippen's sidekick was winning similar amount of games and going 1-9 in playoffs before he got his Lebron James.

:lol

[GrayGoat]

Pippen's sidekick was winning similar amount of games and going 1-9 in playoffs before he got his Lebron James.

Facts

[ImKobe]

Lebron, Durant, Giannis and Curry were lottery in their first few years, so you're knocking MJ for losing when nearly EVERYONE loses - so you have no legit criticism of MJ...

He never lost as the favorite or Finals, and won 6 FMVP without super-teams (no 3rd all-star) and without 1b's (no equal-scoring teammate to attract equal defensive attention, aka he defeated maximum defensive attention)..

That's the opposite of Lebron, who never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer.. He never carried the scoring load in the Finals because high scoring from Lebron is too ball-dominant to beat the best teams.

Never faced elimination, never lost a series with HCA.. never scored 8 pts in a Playoff game. Lebron doesn't even come close.