2018 warriors vs 1991 lakers

[000]

Both won 58
Both beat a 60-win #1 seed
Both had an all-nba first teamer and an all-nba third teamer

[Lebron23]

Warriors in 5

[000]

Warriors in 5
What?

[coastalmarker99]

What?

Warriors win in a brutal 4 game sweep.


As Magic utterly carried that 1991 Lakers team to the finals that season and anyway if hadn't been for Portland choking their asses off in the WCF that year vs the Lakers then the Lakers wouldn't have even made the finals.

[000]

Warriors win in a brutal 4 game sweep.


As Magic utterly carried that 1991 Lakers team to the finals that season and anyway if hadn't been for Portland choking their asses off in the WCF that year vs the Lakers then the Lakers wouldn't have made the finals.
I hope youre trolling. They needed 6 games to get past lou williams and 7 + the refs to beat harden and cp3's corpse

[iamgine]

Every past teams would be badly crushed by that Warriors dynasty. 00s Lakers, 90s Bulls, 80s Celtics, all of them.

[000]

Every past teams would be badly crushed by that Warriors dynasty. 00s Lakers, 90s Bulls, 80s Celtics, all of them.
Any reason to think that?

[SouBeachTalents]

I hope youre trolling. They needed 6 games to get past lou williams and 7 + the refs to beat harden and cp3's corpse
Damn, doesn't even know who the 2018 Warriors played :lol

[Lebron23]

Both won 58
Both beat a 60-win #1 seed
Both had an all-nba first teamer and an all-nba third teamer

I did a simulation

Warriors won Game 1 106-92

https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?gameid=27059404&teamfee=-1

Player of the Game
Stephen Curry (Golden State)

31 pts, 7 reb, 6 ast, 3 stl, 1 blk

[000]

Damn, doesn't even know who the 2018 Warriors played :lol
Were they any worse in 2019? The 2018 gsw didnt face any 50-win teams until the rockets btw. A year later they needed 6 to beat the 53-win rockets.

[000]

I did a simulation

Warriors won Game 1 106-92

https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?gameid=27059404&teamfee=-1

Player of the Game
Stephen Curry (Golden State)

31 pts, 7 reb, 6 ast, 3 stl, 1 blk
Wow, I guess that settles it. Can you sim this years champion so we can hand them the larry obrien?

[Lebron23]

Warriors won Game 2

Final - 6/17/2021
1990-91 Los Angeles Lakers
99
2017-18 Golden State Warriors
121

Player of the Game
Stephen Curry (Golden State)

30 pts, 2 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk

https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?gameid=27059439&teamfee=-1

[Akeem34TheDream]

Sweep

[000]

Warriors won Game 2

Final - 6/17/2021
1990-91 Los Angeles Lakers
99
2017-18 Golden State Warriors
121

Player of the Game
Stephen Curry (Golden State)

30 pts, 2 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk

https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?gameid=27059439&teamfee=-1
What about 2021?

[Lebron23]

Warriors won Game 3


Final - 6/17/2021
2017-18 Golden State Warriors
110
1990-91 Los Angeles Lakers
94
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?gameid=27059462&teamfee=-1

Player of the Game
Draymond Green (Golden State)
18 pts, 8 reb, 7 ast, 1 stl, 3 blk

[Lebron23]

Warriors swept the 1991 Lakers

Final - 6/17/2021
2017-18 Golden State Warriors
113
1990-91 Los Angeles Lakers
102
Player of the Game
Kevin Durant (Golden State)
28 pts, 8 reb, 6 ast, 2 blk

https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?gameid=27059471&teamfee=-1

[Lebron23]

Sweep

In the simulation game the Warriors swept the 1991 Lakers. 4-0

[000]

Interesting. So according to your program the 1991 lakers are < the 2018 47-win spurs.

[Lebron23]

What about 2021?

1991 chicago bulls vs. 2018 warriors

Final - 6/17/2021
1990-91 Chicago Bulls
107
2017-18 Golden State Warriors
116
Player of the Game
Stephen Curry (Golden State)
29 pts, 13 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl

https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?gameid=27059483&teamfee=-1

Warriors won game 1

Bulls won Game 2

Final - 6/17/2021
1990-91 Chicago Bulls
121
2017-18 Golden State Warriors
117
Player of the Game
Michael Jordan (Chicago)
39 pts, 9 reb, 7 ast, 3 stl
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?gameid=27059484&teamfee=-1

Warriors won Game 3

Final - 6/17/2021
2017-18 Golden State Warriors
93
1990-91 Chicago Bulls
92
Player of the Game
Kevin Durant (Golden State)
23 pts, 6 reb, 5 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk

https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?gameid=27059487&teamfee=-1

Bulls won Game 4

Final - 6/17/2021
2017-18 Golden State Warriors
116
1990-91 Chicago Bulls
123
Player of the Game
Michael Jordan (Chicago)
40 pts, 4 reb, 11 ast, 2 blk

[Lebron23]

Warriors won Game 5

Final - 6/17/2021
1990-91 Chicago Bulls
109
2017-18 Golden State Warriors
119

Player of the Game
Stephen Curry (Golden State)
46 pts, 5 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl

https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?gameid=27059491&teamfee=-1

[Lebron23]

Warriors defeated the Bulls in 6 games

Final - 6/17/2021
2017-18 Golden State Warriors
107
1990-91 Chicago Bulls
89
Player of the Game
Stephen Curry (Golden State)
27 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 1 stl

Curry is your finals MVP

https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?gameid=27059505&teamfee=-1

[000]

Lol. Can you sim 2018 cavs vs 2018 warriors?

[Lebron23]

Interesting. So according to your program the 1991 lakers are < the 2018 47-win spurs.

Because the 1991 Lakers overachieved. And the 2018 and 2017 Warriors were the best nba teams in the last 30 years. Not your precious Chicago Bulls

[Lebron23]

Lol. Can you sim 2018 cavs vs 2018 warriors?

Warriors win that series because LeBron was just a one man army

[Lebron23]

Lol. Can you sim 2018 cavs vs 2018 warriors?

2017 and 2018 Warriors destroys any of Jordan teams, and it's competitions.

[000]

Because the 1991 Lakers overachieved. And the 2018 and 2017 Warriors were the best nba teams in the last 30 years. Not your precious Chicago Bulls
I think its because you literally just took a dump inside this thread with your lame simsite but alright.

[000]

So again, aside from stupid trolling and "sweep" is there anything to suggest the 2018 warriors* were better than the '91 lakers


*Throw in the 2019 warriors' performance too since they didnt do much better, although they did have all-nba 1st & 2nd team this time

[SouBeachTalents]

So again, aside from stupid trolling and "sweep" is there anything to suggest the 2018 warriors* were better than the '91 lakers

*Throw in the 2019 warriors' performance too since they didnt do much better, although they did have 1st team & 2nd team this time
Is the entire premise of your argument that they won the same amount of games and had the same amount of All-NBA players? By that rationale the 2016 Warriors would be better than literally any team you can name, the most wins of all time and one of the very few teams to have 3 All-NBA players, not to mention having the MVP, the unanimous one at that

[000]

Is your entire argument on the premise that they won the same amount of games and had similar number of All-NBA players? By that rationale the 2016 Warriors would be better than literally any team you can name, the most wins of all time and one of the very few teams to feature 3 All-NBA players, not to mention having the MVP, and an unanimous one at that
If the 2016 dubs had won the title, why wouldnt they be a GOAT-level team? Like if curry dropped 39 or 49 instead of 19 in that g3 loss and the series ended with a sweep. Hed average 27-29, which is hardly unreasonable
Or if he dropped 40+ in g5 and ended lebron & kyries comeback effort, winning 4-1. Averaging 25 which isnt even that great by his standards


Btw my actual rationale is that they both did the same against the rest of the league, which I demonstrated

[Phoenix]

Every past teams would be badly crushed by that Warriors dynasty. 00s Lakers, 90s Bulls, 80s Celtics, all of them.

Not necessarily. If the 2018 Rockets had them on the ropes and GS won due to 1) CP3 injury and 2) Harden going 2 for 13 on 3's in game 7, they weren't that invulnerable. They may win those series, but crush? Not in all cases, unless we're saying that aforementioned Rockets team was also better than those old teams. Yes, I do understand that matchups play into it. So do rules, both KD and Curry can be roughed up. They have a distinct edge with modern rules, less so if you dropped them into 1995. Even a offensively challenged team like the Miller Pacers with Smits, the Davis Boys, Derrick Mckey playing physical defense would give them a tough series 25 years ago. They'd get blown out by 30 in a 4 game sweep today. A team with that much natural firepower doesn't need perimeter friendly rules to accentuate their already stacked lineup.

The 2017 team was better anyway. That's the team that, regardless of rules, would probably be the toughest out in the last 40 years.

[Phoenix]

Is the entire premise of your argument that they won the same amount of games and had the same amount of All-NBA players? By that rationale the 2016 Warriors would be better than literally any team you can name, the most wins of all time and one of the very few teams to have 3 All-NBA players, not to mention having the MVP, the unanimous one at that

By his rationale the 66 win 2009 Cavs were virtually as good as the 67 win 86 Celtics on account of team record. But alas, this is ISH. This is the kind of Wile E Coyote reasoning you'll see 95% of the time.

[000]

By his rationale the 66 win 2009 Cavs were virtually as good as the 67 win 86 Celtics on account of team record. But alas, this is ISH. This is the kind of Wile E Coyote reasoning you're see 95% of the time.
Sure, you can take it that way if youre retarded

[Phoenix]

Sure, you can take it that way if youre retarded

Or you can make this thread with your opening point referencing team record as if this is apples to apples.....if you're retarded. But only if.

[000]

Or you can make your argument.....if you're retarded. But only if.
Good thing I didnt, and thats a strawman

If the cavs had beaten the 60-win magic in the ecf and then the 65-win kobe lakers in the finals, why wouldnt they be as good as those celtics?

[000]

Or you can make this thread with your opening point referencing team record as if this is apples to apples.....if you're retarded. But only if.
So team record doesnt mean anything in your opinion whatsoever? Ok

[Phoenix]

Good thing I didnt, and thats a strawman

If the cavs had beaten the 60-win magic in the ecf and then the 65-win kobe lakers in the finals, why wouldnt they be as good as those celtics?

Because not all records are equal. Not all stats are equal. Not all All-NBA teamers are equal. Saying but but both teams have 58 wins....both teams have the same amount of all NBA players....ergo one is just as good as the other.........isn't any argument someone remotely rational would make. It's missing this silly thing called context. Hell, you just made my point by saying why wouldnt the 2009 Cavs be as good as the 86 Celtics. Theres no straw man, this is applying your logic to another situation. Again, Wile E Coyote school of arguing.

[Phoenix]

So team record doesnt mean anything in your opinion whatsoever? Ok

No.

[000]

And I understand they missed games, which is why I brought up the playoffs and 2019 as well, but you guys boiled it down to "hurr durr 2009 cavs"

[000]

Because not all records are equal. Not all stats are equal. Not all All-NBA teamers are equal. Saying but but both teams have 58 wins....both teams have the same amount of all NBA players....ergo one is just as good as the other.........isn't any argument someone remotely rational would make. It's missing this silly thing called context. Hell, you just made my point by saying why wouldnt the 2009 Cavs be as good as the 86 Celtics. Theres no straw man, this is applying your logic to another situation. Again, Wile E Coyote school of arguing.
Okay, so youre basically just saying "no ur wrong". Thanks for your input then

[Phoenix]

Okay, so youre basically just saying "no ur wrong". Thanks for your input then

Nope I'm saying https://www.berfrois.com/uploads/2011/06/rr7.jpg

Is the visual representation of your core point.

[Lebron23]

Nope I'm saying https://www.berfrois.com/uploads/2011/06/rr7.jpg

Is the visual representation of your core point.

Sad part 000 is not trolling, And he is really dumb

[000]

Nope I'm saying https://www.berfrois.com/uploads/2011/06/rr7.jpg

Is the visual representation of your core point.
So "they performed similarly in the regseason and they performed similarly in the playoffs" isnt an acceptable argument???:wtf:

Then what is? "Lebron is the best ever cuz he faced the toughest competition ever, which is the toughest ever cuz it beat lebron, who is the best ever" Is that it?

[000]

Because not all records are equal. Not all stats are equal. Not all All-NBA teamers are equal. Saying but but both teams have 58 wins....both teams have the same amount of all NBA players....ergo one is just as good as the other.........isn't any argument someone remotely rational would make. It's missing this silly thing called context. Hell, you just made my point by saying why wouldnt the 2009 Cavs be as good as the 86 Celtics. Theres no straw man, this is applying your logic to another situation. Again, Wile E Coyote school of arguing.
By the way, you didnt actually explain why the 2009 cavs would be considered worse than those celtics, if lebron did manage to pull that (beat two 60-win teams in a row while handing kobe a 3rd straight finals L) off

Like, dude, this is lebron we're talking about. Can you imagine what kind of narrative would be spun around it? It wouldnt even be undeserved

[Phoenix]

So "they performed similarly in the regseason and they performed similarly in the playoffs" isnt an acceptable argument???:wtf:

Then what is? "Lebron is the best ever cuz he faced the toughest competition ever, which is the toughest ever cuz it beat lebron, who is the best ever" Is that it?

Lebron? So this isnt about the 2018 Warriors and 91 Lakers?

You new alts and your cute little agendas.

[000]

Lebron? So this isnt about the 2018 Warriors and 91 Lakers?

You new alts and your cute little agendas.
Its an example of what seems to be an acceptable argument on this board. Also yes its about the warriors and lakers.

[Shooter]

Warriors win in a brutal 4 game sweep.


As Magic utterly carried that 1991 Lakers team to the finals that season and anyway if hadn't been for Portland choking their asses off in the WCF that year vs the Lakers then the Lakers wouldn't have even made the finals.

[Shooter]

Warriors swept the 1991 Lakers

Final - 6/17/2021
2017-18 Golden State Warriors
113
1990-91 Los Angeles Lakers
102
Player of the Game
Kevin Durant (Golden State)
28 pts, 8 reb, 6 ast, 2 blk

https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?gameid=27059471&teamfee=-1

:roll::roll:

Next!

[kawhileonard2]

Lakers win in 6

[ShawkFactory]

Interesting. So according to your program the 1991 lakers are < the 2018 47-win spurs.

Did the simulation do a series between those two teams?

[3ball]

I did a simulation

Warriors won Game 1 106-92

https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?gameid=27059404&teamfee=-1

Player of the Game
Stephen Curry (Golden State)

31 pts, 7 reb, 6 ast, 3 stl, 1 blk


^^^ it's just preposterous - curry has never been better than Kyrie in the Finals, let alone Magic

Curry can't dominate the Finals level and cannot play on a FMVP level

Curry would be the 4th or 5th best player in that series (maybe behind a healthy Byron Scott on the Finals level, who would destroy Curry)

[3ball]

The 18' Warriors needed 6 games to get past lou williams and 7 + the refs to beat harden and cp3's corpse





^^^ Therefore, the 91' Lakers would easily win

[Shooter]

^^^ it's just preposterous - curry has never been better than Kyrie in the Finals, let alone Magic

Curry can't dominate the Finals level and cannot play on a FMVP level

Curry would be the 4th or 5th best player in that series (maybe behind a healthy Byron Scott on the Finals level, who would destroy Curry)

Google 2017 Finals idiot :lol

2017 Finals
Curry: 27/8/9/2

[3ball]

Google 2017 Finals idiot :lol


Curry lacks the all-time talent needed to start for the 80's Lakers

If you can't do stuff like this, you can't start for the Lakers


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8HWQ_pVUCqc

[3ball]

Actually this Byron poster is better (over MJ)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zchjMYe60tc&t=01m50s

[3ball]

Google 2017 Finals idiot :lol

2017 Finals
Curry: 27/8/9/2


Kyrie averaged 29 in 2017 Finals

Average 2016 and 2017 - kyrie is simply superior to Curry

[1987_Lakers]

OP really offended by people picking the Warriors? This was a Lakers team that was past its prime, no Kareem, no Pat Riley, or no Michael Cooper, even Byron Scott was losing some of his game, he was horrific in the '91 Finals. This is an easy series for Golden State, I got them in 5.

[3ball]

OP really offended by people picking the Warriors? This was a Lakers team that was past its prime, no Kareem, no Pat Riley, or no Michael Cooper, even Byron Scott was losing some of his game, he was horrific in the '91 Finals. This is an easy series for Golden State, I got them in 5.


Magic/Worthy > KD/Curry

I think that's the main reason... And Vlade/Perkins would be the best bigs the Warriors had, plus Byron was a superior talent than Klay

Plus the 18' Warriors needed 6 games to get past lou williams and 7 + the refs to beat harden and cp3's corpse

[ShawkFactory]

Do people actually think that because team 1 took the champions to 6 games and team 2 lost in 5, that means team 1 is automatically better than team 2? Seems to be the logic of more than one person here (might be the same person).

[3ball]

Do people actually think that because team 1 took the champions to 6 games and team 2 lost in 5, that means team 1 is automatically better than team 2? Seems to be the logic of more than one person here (might be the same person).


No, but if Warriors nearly lost to Lou Williams or Harden/CP3, then they lose to Magic/Worthy

Those warrior teams were vulnerable to physicality

[ShawkFactory]

The Celtics in 08 nearly lost to Joe Johnson. Surely you'd think they'd lose to Kobe.


but if Warriors nearly lost to Lou Williams

When was this?

[1987_Lakers]

Magic/Worthy > KD/Curry

I think that's the main reason... And Vlade/Perkins would be the best bigs the Warriors had, plus Byron was a superior talent than Klay

Plus the 18' Warriors needed 6 games to get past lou williams and 7 + the refs to beat harden and cp3's corpse

You are wrong on so many levels, Worthy was a tier below KD & Curry, nowhere close to their level. Byron Scott is one of the worst big game performers I've ever seen, he always disappeared in all his Finals games in Boston and saying he was bad in the '91 Finals is an understatement, one dimensional player who isn't clutch, Pat Riley would always have Cooper in the last minutes of games instead of Scott, and Cooper was gone by '91. To say Byron was a superior talent than Klay is laughable, almost criminal. Scott never even made an all-star team, Ainge was better IMO.

[3ball]

You are wrong on so many levels, Worthy was a tier below KD & Curry, nowhere close to their level. Byron Scott is one of the worst big game performers I've ever seen, he always disappeared in all his Finals games vs Boston in the mid 80's and saying he was bad in the '91 Finals is an understatement, one dimensional player who isn't clutch, Pat Riley would always have Cooper in the minute of games instead of Scott, and Cooper was gone by '91. To say Byron was a superior talent than Klay is laughable, almost criminal. Scott was never even made an all-star team, Ainge was better IMO.


Worthy was FMVP and #1 option on b2b champs in 87' and 88

Curry never did that

Worthy has many series where he played better than Curry ever did .. Worthy routinely led the Lakers in scoring with 24-31 ppg on 60-70% field goal percentage (no exaggeration)

[Shooter]

3ball and his alts are trying every pitiful angle to disprove LBJ > MJ but it's not working :lol This thread has nothing to do with Magic vs. Curry and was only being used by him in a frail attempt to say MJ > LBJ and it's being laughably shutdown.

[3ball]

3ball and his alts are trying every pitiful angle to disprove LBJ > MJ but it's not working :lol This thread has nothing to do with Magic vs. Curry and was only being used by him in a frail attempt to say MJ > LBJ and it's being laughably shutdown.


I don't need to prove MJ > Lebron

It's obvious

I just throw salt in the would at this point

And your spamming of longevity stats only proves that there's no evidence of actual superior play (just longevity, which Jordan chose not to do, or wasn't allowed)

Heck, KD just played better than Lebron ever did while beating a top team

[1987_Lakers]

Worthy was FMVP and has many series where he played better than Curry ever did .. Worthy routinely led the Lakers in scoring with 24-31 ppg on 60%.

Iggy & Cedric Maxwell have a Finals MVP, are they better than Curry? Everyone knows Magic should have won Finals MVP in '88, but they gave it to Worthy for his huge game 7 performance. KD & Curry are both MVP players, Worthy wasn't close to sniffing an MVP in his career, hell he never even made an All-NBA 2nd team and you think he's better than Curry? :facepalm

And please stfu about Worthy averaging 24-31 ppg, he routinely averaged 19-21 ppg in the season, and his highest ever ppg in a playoff run was 24.8 ppg, how the fvck does that translate to 24-31 ppg? My goodness, the lies. Worthy averaged 22 ppg in the playoffs from '85-'91.

[3ball]

Iggy & Cedric Maxwell have a Finals MVP, are they better than Curry? Everyone knows Magic should have won Finals MVP in '88, but they gave it to Worthy for his huge game 7 performance. KD & Curry are both MVP players, Worthy wasn't close to sniffing an MVP in his career, hell he never even made an All-NBA 2nd team and you think he's better than Curry? :facepalm

And please stfu about Worthy averaging 24-31 ppg, he routinely averaged 19-21 ppg in the season, and his highest ever ppg in a playoff run was 24.8 ppg, how the fvck does that translate to 24-31 ppg? My goodness, the lies. Worthy averaged 22 ppg in the playoffs from '85-'91.


Worthy was FMVP and #1 option on b2b champs in 87' and 88

Curry never did that

No team where Curry is the leading scorer can win, unless they get lucky with injury

[1987_Lakers]

Worthy was FMVP and #1 option on b2b champs in 87' and 88

Curry never did that

No team where Curry is the leading scorer can win, unless they get lucky with injury

Wrong, Magic led the Lakers in points during the '87 season and Finals, but that is a pretty weak argument. If Worthy had Durant on his team like Curry did, he wouldn't be close to being the #1 scoring option.

[ShawkFactory]

Worthy was FMVP and #1 option on b2b champs in 87' and 88

Curry never did that

No team where Curry is the leading scorer can win, unless they get lucky with injury
They were a shot or two away from beating Lebron and Kyrie. So...yea. Hang on to that one :lol

The 2017 Warriors literally lost one game in the playoffs.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yikes, 3ball is retarded :lol

[Shooter]

I don't need to prove MJ > Lebron

It's obvious

I just throw salt in the would at this point

And your spamming of longevity stats only proves that there's no evidence of actual superior play (just longevity, which Jordan chose not to do, or wasn't allowed)

Heck, KD just played better than Lebron ever did while beating a top team

Blah -blah - blah

Watch him squirm with one question:

What was Jordan's best Finals opponent?

[Shooter]

Iggy & Cedric Maxwell have a Finals MVP, are they better than Curry? Everyone knows Magic should have won Finals MVP in '88, but they gave it to Worthy for his huge game 7 performance. KD & Curry are both MVP players, Worthy wasn't close to sniffing an MVP in his career, hell he never even made an All-NBA 2nd team and you think he's better than Curry? :facepalm

And please stfu about Worthy averaging 24-31 ppg, he routinely averaged 19-21 ppg in the season, and his highest ever ppg in a playoff run was 24.8 ppg, how the fvck does that translate to 24-31 ppg? My goodness, the lies. Worthy averaged 22 ppg in the playoffs from '85-'91.

Hello, 9-1-1?

I'd like to report a murder.

[Phoenix]

Its an example of what seems to be an acceptable argument on this board. Also yes its about the warriors and lakers.

Except your out of left field reference to Lebron indicates otherwise.

[000]

Except your out of left field reference to Lebron indicates otherwise.
I just explained it to you

[Hey Yo]

OP doesnt even know who GS played in 2018

:roll:

[Phoenix]

I just explained it to you

Explained what? You just randomly brought up Lebron when talking about a head to head matchup of two arbitrarily picked teams.

Let's use some more of your logic but see how far the rabbit hole goes. Who's the better team, the 2016 Warriors or the 2017 Warriors? The 2016 Warriors won 6 more games.

[000]

OP doesnt even know who GS played in 2018

:roll:
Whats the difference between 2019 warriors and 2018 warriors, besides that the former were arguably better


Explained what? You just randomly brought up Lebron when talking about a head to head matchup of two arbitrarily picked teams.

Let's use some more of your logic but see how far the rabbit hole goes. Who's the better team, the 2016 Warriors or the 2017 Warriors? The 2016 Warriors won 6 more games.
The 2017 warriors were similarly awesome in the regseason but destroyed everyone in the playoffs, so they were better

[Phoenix]

Who's better OP? The 2001 Lakers who won 56 games with 2 all-stars, or the 2015 Hawks who won 60 with 4? Your argument dictates that you pick the Hawks.

[Phoenix]

Whats the difference between 2019 warriors and 2018 warriors, besides that the former were arguably better


The 2017 warriors were similarly awesome in the regseason but destroyed everyone in the playoffs, so they were better

But they lost 6 more games. Isn't record part of your argument?


So team record doesnt mean anything in your opinion whatsoever? Ok

I mean....it takes 2 seconds to backtrack.

[Phoenix]

Who's better OP? The 93 Bulls with 2 all-stars, or the 94 Bulls with 3? Their team records are practically identical and the 94 team has an extra all-star, so the 94 team is better........ right?

[tpols]

Whats the difference between 2019 warriors and 2018 warriors?

Durant and Klay were healthy in 2018 and in 2019 they weren't. Pretty big difference when your relying on Dray and Demarcus Cousins for your 2nd options... Cousins didn't play well in those Finals. Durant tore them up for the 5 minutes he played they looked unstoppable. Klay was also burying them before he snapped his ACL.

[Phoenix]

Who's better OP? The 66 win Cavs of 2009......or the 66 win Heat of 2013? I mean, team records without context and all. :confusedshrug:

[MadDog]

Lakers had a few guards they could throw at Curry, but nobody to stop Durant. Then again you could say the same thing about Magic. Nobody on the Warriors is stopping him from dominating. The Lakers also had pretty good threepoint shooting from Perkins and Scott. Plus a Top 5 defense overall. I think its a 50/50 series that goes either way. The 91 Bulls would've beaten the Warriors though.

[Shooter]

Who's better OP? The 66 win Cavs of 2009......or the 66 win Heat of 2013? I mean, team records without context and all. :confusedshrug:

Gottem :lol

[3ball]

Durant and Klay were healthy in 2018 and in 2019 they weren't. Pretty big difference when your relying on Dray and Demarcus Cousins for your 2nd options... Cousins didn't play well in those Finals. Durant tore them up for the 5 minutes he played they looked unstoppable. Klay was also burying them before he snapped his ACL.


Kawhi beat the best and most dominant version of Curry/Klay (31 and 26 ppg), because a player like Kawhi is superior to the Curry/Klay type (1-dimensional offensively).

Klay was hurt for 1 game but Dray was suspended in 16', so those one-offs don't matter.. KD actually played a quarter too and helped win that game.

[Phoenix]

Gottem :lol

I mean, it's as I said. Wile E Coyote logic :confusedshrug:

[8Ball]

Warriors in 5

5?

Warriors in 3.5 games.

[8Ball]

Every past teams would be badly crushed by that Warriors dynasty. 00s Lakers, 90s Bulls, 80s Celtics, all of them.

+1000

[3ball]

+1000


So why did Kawhi destroy them

The Curry Warriors simply aren't championship caliber and you can't show me where they were without ignoring Kyrie's injury

They weren't even favored after winning the title heading into the 16' season.. paper champs confirmed

And the KD dynasty still had a couple 7 game wars just like any other dynasty.. the idea that no one would beat them is dumb - bum teams nearly beat them - no team is unbeatable... For example the 90's Bulls would get destroyed in the 80's - 2-3 rings tops

[ShawkFactory]

So why did Kawhi destroy them

The Curry Warriors simply aren't championship caliber and you can't show me where they were without ignoring Kyrie's injury

They weren't even favored after winning the title heading into the 16' season.. paper champs confirmed

And the KD dynasty still had a couple 7 game wars just like any other dynasty.. the idea that no one would beat them is dumb - bum teams nearly beat them - no team is unbeatable... For example the 90's Bulls would get destroyed in the 80's - 2-3 rings tops

Who?

[tpols]

Kawhi beat the best and most dominant version of Curry/Klay (31 and 26 ppg), because a player like Kawhi is superior to the Curry/Klay type (1-dimensional offensively).

Klay was hurt for 1 game but Dray was suspended in 16', so those one-offs don't matter.. KD actually played a quarter too and helped win that game.

Nope. Klay didn't finish the series. Curry outplayed Kawhi, but Siakam and Lowry outplayed Klay and Dray. Siakam had a Barkley like performance to jumpstart the series. Roasted Drays defense.


https://youtu.be/3ugrYiEl9gg

And Lowry caught fire in the last game. Monster game from a 3rd option.


https://youtu.be/jusjl1MsV-A

Kawhi had massive help.

[3ball]

Nope. Klay didn't finish the series. Curry outplayed Kawhi, but Siakam and Lowry outplayed Klay and Dray. Siakam had a Barkley like performance to jumpstart the series. Roasted Drays defense.


https://youtu.be/3ugrYiEl9gg

And Lowry caught fire in the last game. Monster game from a 3rd option.


https://youtu.be/jusjl1MsV-A

Kawhi had massive help.


^^^ a couple 1-off games

Kawhi didn't have a HOF teammate averaging 26 ppg for the series like Curry did

If he had that, he would've swept, as Curry should have

Kawhi f'ing titled with lebronto bums - Curry can't do that, lol

[Magic Is Magic]

The 1991 Lakers were strong but not strong enough to compete with top level historical teams. We had a few lucky breaks in the 1991 post season that helped us overachieve. Now if you had brought up the powerhouse 1987 Lakers then we could have a good discussion but the 1991 Lakers wouldnt beat the 2018 Warriors. Magic and Worthy were still great in 1991 but against Durant, Curry, Draymond and Thompson?

[HoopsNY]

The '91 Lakers were a better team than people on this forum realize. They beat a 63 win team that had 3 All-Stars, and also beat Run TMC. Having said that, they would have lost 4-1 to the 2018 Warriors.

[tpols]

^^^ a couple 1-off games

Kawhi didn't have a HOF teammate averaging 26 ppg for the series like Curry did

If he had that, he would've swept, as Curry should have

Kawhi f'ing titled with lebronto bums - Curry can't do that, lol

How can it be one offs when Siakam and Lowry are both perennial All Star talents? Its not like Jeff Green went off. Do you know how rare it is to score 30+ on 85% shooting from a 2nd option? Imagine Pippen doing that. Maybe once in his whole career. And Lowry with an almost 30 point triple double? If Klay or Dray did that in game 6 the warriors they would have won but they didn't. Kawhi had more help.

[And1AllDay]

How can it be one offs when Siakam and Lowry are both perennial All Star talents? Its not like Jeff Green went off. Do you know how rare it is to score 30+ on 85% shooting from a 2nd option? Imagine Pippen doing that. Maybe once in his whole career. And Lowry with an almost 30 point triple double? If Olay or Dray did that in game 6 the warriors they would have won but they didn't. Kawhi had more help.

tpols high iq for once

[3ball]

How can it be one offs when Siakam and Lowry are both perennial All Star talents? Its not like Jeff Green went off. Do you know how rare it is to score 30+ on 85% shooting from a 2nd option? Imagine Pippen doing that. Maybe once in his whole career. And Lowry with an almost 30 point triple double? If Klay or Dray did that in game 6 the warriors they would have won but they didn't. Kawhi had more help.


Klay's stats destroy Siakam or Lowry's in that series - it's not even close, so I'm not sure what your point is - Lowry and Siakam had 1-offs, while Klay dominated the entire time.

Kawhi sweeps the Warriors if he has a 26 ppg consistent juggernaut, but Curry wasted it

No one had more opportunity to prove he was truly great than Curry - heck, he couldn't even win the play-in this year... Prime Curry can't get an 8 seed with bunch of #1 picks on his team.. he couldn't light that fire under Wiggins either.. he's a spoiled rich kid... Can't light a fire under anything

[Phoenix]

Who's better OP? The 66 win Cavs of 2009......or the 66 win Heat of 2013? I mean, team records without context and all. :confusedshrug:

Did the new alt 000 check out or switch to another account?

[tpols]

Klay's stats destroy Siakam or Lowry's in that series - it's not even close, so I'm not sure what your point is - Lowry and Siakam had 1-offs, while Klay dominated the entire time.

Kawhi sweeps the Warriors if he has a 26 ppg consistent juggernaut, but Curry wasted it

No one had more opportunity to prove he was truly great than Curry - heck, he couldn't even win the play-in this year... Prime Curry can't get an 8 seed with bunch of #1 picks on his team.. he couldn't light that fire under Wiggins either.. he's a spoiled rich kid... Can't light a fire under anything

Klay didnt play in the most important games. So nope the averages don't count when you played less.

Klay - 130 points
Siakam - 119 points (with way more boards and dimes)
Lowry - 97 points (with way more dimes)
Fred Van Vleet - 84 points
Dray - 75 points
Marc Gasol - 72 points
Ibaka - 68 points
Iggy - 55 points

So Kawhis help easily outscored and outplayed Currys.

Chef was the leading scorer in the series.

[SouBeachTalents]

Klay didnt play in the most important games. So nope the averages don't count when you played less.

Klay - 130 points
Siakam - 119 points (with way more boards and dimes)
Lowry - 97 points (with way more dimes)
Fred Van Vleet - 84 points
Dray - 75 points
Marc Gasol - 72 points
Ibaka - 68 points
Iggy - 55 points

So Kawhis help easily outscored and outplayed Currys.

Chef was the leading scorer in the series.
The scoring help Kawhi got in that Finals was pretty crazy. Just looking at their wins

Game 1
Siakam: 32/8/5
Gasol: 20

Game 3
Lowry: 23/4/9
Siakam: 18/9/6
Green: 18
Gasol: 17/7/4

Game 4
Ibaka: 20
Siakam: 19

Game 6
Lowry: 26/7/10
Siakam: 26/10
VanVleet: 22

Besides maybe Durant with the Warriors it's very unusual to see that kind of scoring with a guy averaging over 30 ppg

[tpols]

The scoring help Kawhi got in that Finals was pretty crazy. Just looking at their wins

Game 1
Siakam: 32/8/5
Gasol: 20

Game 3
Lowry: 23/4/9
Siakam: 18/9/6
Green: 18
Gasol: 17/7/4

Game 4
Ibaka: 20
Siakam: 19

Game 6
Lowry: 26/7/10
Siakam: 26/10
VanVleet: 22

Besides maybe Durant with the Warriors it's very unusual to see that kind of scoring with a guy averaging over 30 ppg

Yup... everybody went off. Even Fred Van Vleet outscored Dray and old Marc Gasol played him to a draw.

And its not like Kawhi is Magic Johnson and set them up for it. If anything Curry had more gravity and dimes (and hockey assists) than Kawhi. So Kawhis help outplayed Currys even with an inferior passer / playmaker at 1st option.

[And1AllDay]

Who's better OP? The 2001 Lakers who won 56 games with 2 all-stars, or the 2015 Hawks who won 60 with 4? Your argument dictates that you pick the Hawks.

baaaaang!!!

[kawhileonard2]

Who's better OP? The 2001 Lakers who won 56 games with 2 all-stars, or the 2015 Hawks who won 60 with 4? Your argument dictates that you pick the Hawks.

Naw. Lakers had two guys who won finals mvp against historic teams. Magic won 3 of them and 3 league MVP’s and Worthy with like a 36/16/10 in a game 7 of the finals. Atlanta in 2015 was a bunch of role players.

[Phoenix]

Naw. Lakers had two guys who won finals mvp against historic teams. Magic won 3 of them and 3 league MVP’s and Worthy with like a 36/16/10 in a game 7 of the finals. Atlanta in 2015 was a bunch of role players.

Well no shit, but I'm not making that argument and it should be obvious looking across my posts including the one you quoted. I said 'your argument' meaning the OPs argument should pick the Hawks if you just look at team records and ignore all other context. Obviously *I*( or anyone who can chew gum and walk at the same time) wouldn't make an argument that 'team record' would make the 2015 Hawks better than the 2001 Lakers. Like come on bruh, did I really need to break that down?