If the Jazz and Suns would switch centers

[ArbitraryWater]

The Jazz would be in the finals this year

[MrFonzworth]

And you would still be a socially awkward freak

[ImKobe]

And you would still be a socially awkward freak

:roll::roll:

[Code Breaker]

And you would still be a socially awkward freak

This poster is a weirdo himself but nice slay. :oldlol:

[BallsOut]

And you would still be a socially awkward freak

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

The Jazz would be in the finals this year

wouldn't have made the playoffs

[RRR3]

wouldn't have made the playoffs
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

wouldn't have made the playoffs

https://www.gifcen.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/yikes-gif-4.gif

[Xiao Yao You]

let me know when the Jazz won without Gobert. You can't. STFU :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

let me know when the Jazz won without Gobert. You can't. STFU :facepalm

oh he rattled now lol


when have they had someone like Ayton instead?

Dumbass lol

[Xiao Yao You]

oh he rattled now lol


when have they had someone like Ayton instead?

Dumbass lol

what team did Ayton carry? None. Again STFU with your trolling. :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

what team did Ayton carry? None. Again STFU with your trolling. :facepalm

Ayton isnt a defensive liability and can actually score, so how can Gobert be better?

[MadDog]

And you would still be a socially awkward freak

:oldlol:

OP jumped on the anti Gobert bandwagon. Cringe.

[Xiao Yao You]

Ayton isnt a defensive liability and can actually score, so how can Gobert be better?



2017-18 Defensive Player of the Year (https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html)


2018-19 Defensive Player of the Year (https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html)


2020-21 Defensive Player of the Year (https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html)






2016-17 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2016-17 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html) All-NBA (2nd)


2017-18 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2018-19 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2018-19 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019.html) All-NBA (3rd)


2019-20 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2019-20 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020.html) All-NBA (3rd)


2020-21 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2020-21 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021.html) All-NBA (3rd)





MVP award shares



2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2019.html) 0.001 (11)


2020-21 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2021.html) 0.008 (10)


5 straight playoff appearances

again STFU with your incessant trolling

[RRR3]

2017-18 Defensive Player of the Year (https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html)


2018-19 Defensive Player of the Year (https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html)


2020-21 Defensive Player of the Year (https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html)






2016-17 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2016-17 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html) All-NBA (2nd)


2017-18 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2018-19 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2018-19 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019.html) All-NBA (3rd)


2019-20 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2019-20 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020.html) All-NBA (3rd)


2020-21 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2020-21 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021.html) All-NBA (3rd)





MVP award shares



2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2019.html) 0.001 (11)


2020-21 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2021.html) 0.008 (10)


5 straight playoff appearances

again STFU with your incessant trolling


Regular season awards. Toody is a horrendous defender come playoff time. And he’s helpless on offense year round.

[000]

Wow. Bonbon brown must be the best player in the league.

[Xiao Yao You]

got to get to the playoffs first

[RRR3]

got to get to the playoffs first
Yeah I’m pretty sure if the Jazz replaced Escargot Eaton with Ayton they’d still be a great team.

[Thenameless]

The mic fondler is so bad at scoring that I'd rather have Ayton. He's younger too, so has more time to develop his game.

[000]

Yeah I’m pretty if the Jazz replaced Escargot Eaton with Ayton they’d still be a great team.
Did you know "brick" is an actual french cuisine word

[Xiao Yao You]

Yeah I’m pretty if the Jazz replaced Escargot Eaton with Ayton they’d still be a great team.

I'm sure a troll is. Mitchell has never won without Gobert. Conley despite a great year couldn't carry Memphis post Gasol and company and a role player who's been collecting ping pong balls his whole career is going to carry them. A lot of logic there :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

The mic fondler is so bad at scoring that I'd rather have Ayton. He's younger too, so has more time to develop his game.

that's a different argument

[RRR3]

I'm sure a troll is. Mitchell has never won without Gobert. Conley despite a great year couldn't carry Memphis post Gasol and company and a role player who's been collecting ping pong balls his whole career is going to carry them. A lot of logic there :roll:
The Jazz are a very deep team removing one all-star wouldn’t be a death sentence. Gobert isn’t peak LeBron despite what you think. They also would probably have beat the Clippers with Ayton instead of Chateau Chandler.

[Xiao Yao You]

The Jazz are a very deep team removing one all-star wouldn’t be a death sentence. Gobert isn’t peak LeBron despite what you think. They also would probably have beat the Clippers with Ayton instead of Chateau Chandler.

very deep yet couldn't play anyone but Favors and Oni when they did nothing.

No one said he was peak Lebron. Few guys in the league are the difference between the lottery and being good by themselves and he has been one of them as much as it hurts the trolls to admit. They wouldn't have been playing the Clippers with Ayton. They would have been deciding who represented them at the lottery

[RRR3]

very deep yet couldn't play anyone but Favors and Oni when they did nothing.

No one said he was peak Lebron. Few guys in the league are the difference between the lottery and being good by themselves and he has been one of them as much as it hurts the trolls to admit. They wouldn't have been playing the Clippers with Ayton. They would have been deciding who represented them at the lottery
I don’t care what you think about Toody. It holds as much weight as what HBK thinks about Kawhi. You’re both madly in love and incapable of recognizing your insane bias. We all saw how good Toody really is in the playoffs and it wasn’t pretty.

[Xiao Yao You]

I don’t care what you think about Toody. It holds as much weight as what HBK thinks about Kawhi. You’re both madly in love and incapable of recognizing your insane bias. We all saw how good Toody really is in the playoffs and it wasn’t pretty.

it's not what I think. It's facts. Turned around a tanking team despite the team still trying to tank once he did. Have sucked when he's been hurt. Won without Mitchell and Conley. We're not talking playoffs. We're talking getting into the playoffs.

[RRR3]

it's not what I think. It's facts. Turned around a tanking team despite the team still trying to tank once he did. Have sucked when he's been hurt. Won without Mitchell and Conley. We're not talking playoffs. We're talking getting into the playoffs.
Your rosy picture of what actually happened is not “facts”.

[Xiao Yao You]

Your rosy picture of what actually happened is not “facts”.

facts. Tanking team becomes top 6 team once Gobert emerges. Why didn't that happen with the Suns and their top pick?

[RRR3]

facts. Tanking team becomes top 6 team once Gobert emerges. Why didn't that happen with the Suns and their top pick?
This is a massive distortion of what happened. Par for the course for you and your desperate attempts to make Rudy seem like a superstar.

[Xiao Yao You]

This is a massive distortion of what happened. Par for the course for you and your desperate attempts to make Rudy seem like a superstar.

tell me what happened than from a trolls expert opinion that wasn't watching it happen at the time? This ought to be good

[RRR3]

*team gets better after they stop starting a massively negative player in young Enes Kanter*

Xiao: ZOMG DA GREAT ROODINI!!!! *furiously *********es* BEDDA DEN HAKEEM!!!!






:facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

*team gets better after they stop starting a massively negative player in young Enes Kanter*

Xiao: ZOMG DA GREAT ROODINI!!!! *furiously *********es* BEDDA DEN HAKEEM!!!!






:facepalm

they were better before they traded Kanter. Try again

[RRR3]

they were better before they traded Kanter. Try again. Btw Rudy is the best player of all time.
So, to be clear, we’re giving Rudy full credit for the team’s success when he was a backup?









:roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

So, to be clear, we’re giving Rudy full credit for the team’s success when he was a backup?









:roll:

no we are giving him credit for turning them from one of the worst teams in the league(by design) to competitive overnight(not planned)

[RRR3]

no we are giving him credit for turning them from one of the worst teams in the league(by design) to competitive overnight(not planned)
And he did this as a backup center huh? The Jazz were a massive +1.1 with Rudy on the court in the year in question he wasn’t making a big impact. Meanwhile Hayward was +4.0 and Favors +3.2






:yaohappy:

[ArbitraryWater]

So, to be clear, we’re giving Rudy full credit for the team’s success when he was a backup?









:roll:


:oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

And he did this as a backup center huh? The Jazz were a massive +1.1 with Rudy on the court in the year in question he wasn’t making a big impact. Meanwhile Hayward was +4.0 and Favors +3.2






:yaohappy:

It wasn't until December when he took it to another level and suddenly the Jazz didn't suck. After Favors and Hayward had led them through an 8 game losing skid. The difference between the team losing most night and the team that could beat anyone on agiven nighjt was #27 but pull up some more stats to tell me what I didn't watch with my own eyes. Didn't become the full time starter until after the trade deadline.

[RRR3]

It wasn't until December when he took it to another level and suddenly the Jazz didn't suck. After Favors and Hayward had led them through an 8 game losing skid. The difference between the team losing most night and the team that could beat anyone on agiven nighjt was #27 but pull up some more stats to tell me what I didn't watch with my own eyes. Didn't become the full time starter until after the trade deadline.
The stats say Hayward and Favors were noticeably more impactful.




















:(

[RRR3]

2014-15 RPM


Favors +2.93
Hayward +2.24





Toody +1.60





Xiao: “Rudy carried them!!!!”









:roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

The stats say Hayward and Favors were noticeably more impactful.




















:(

but anyone watching the games saw when things changed. It was noticeable. Only time it happened in Jazz history. Didn't happen with Dantley, Stockton, Malone, Deron, Hayward. Kirilenko the year after Stockton and Malone is the closest thing and we already knew he was good and he peaked that year. A guy coming out of nowhere on a team trying to lose unheard of in these parts :bowdown:

[RRR3]

but anyone watching the games saw when things changed. It was noticeable. Only time it happened in Jazz history. Didn't happen with Dantley, Stockton, Malone, Deron, Hayward. Kirilenko the year after Stockton and Malone is the closest thing and we already knew he was good and he peaked that year. A guy coming out of nowhere on a team trying to lose unheard of in these parts :bowdown:
Except the stat that tracks impact has Rudy as the 3rd best player on the Jazz that year.



















:(

[Xiao Yao You]

6-19 on Dec. 16th with a 9 game losing streak included with Gobert their 4th big despite the greatness of Hayward and Favors. 13 -15 until the trade deadline after Gobert emergied. 6th best record after the trade deadline. Hayward and Favors no noticeable difference in their games during the year. Gobert a different player overnight. Trolls will troll :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

Except the stat that tracks impact has Rudy as the 3rd best player on the Jazz that year.



















:(

it might since he was their 4th big and didn't start until February. Anyone watching it knows what happened. Trolls rewriting history after the fact :oldlol:

[Smoke117]

Autistic Waters and Retard3 at it again. :oldlol:

Hayward > Gobert > Mitchell

[RRR3]

6-19 on Dec. 16th with a 9 game losing streak included with Gobert their 4th big despite the greatness of Hayward and Favors. 13 -15 until the trade deadline after Gobert emergied. 6th best record after the trade deadline. Hayward and Favors no noticeable difference in their games during the year. Gobert a different player overnight. Trolls will troll :facepalm
Yeah the coach had their 3rd best player buried on the bench. Once he started playing them they improved. How’d the Nets look without their 3rd best player?

[RRR3]

it might since he was their 4th big and didn't start until February. Anyone watching it knows what happened. Trolls rewriting history after the fact :oldlol:
Not sure why his impact stats would be hampered by him playing against scrubs. In fact they’d probably be better since Rudy was obviously not a scrub (apart from his rookie year when most players are scrubs).

[RRR3]

Autistic Waters and Retard3 at it again. :oldlol:

Hayward > Gobert > Mitchell
Mitchell is by far the best of the 3 when it matters most.

[Xiao Yao You]

Not sure why his impact stats would be hampered by him playing against scrubs. In fact they’d probably be better since Rudy was obviously not a scrub (apart from his rookie year when most players are scrubs).

He was a project until December when he became their best player overnite. Go watch the games and tell me they started winning because of Hayward and Favors stepping up their games

[Xiao Yao You]

Mitchell is by far the best of the 3 when it matters most.


Gobert the only one to carry his team to the playoffs

[Kblaze8855]

I'm sure a troll is. Mitchell has never won without Gobert. Conley despite a great year couldn't carry Memphis post Gasol and company and a role player who's been collecting ping pong balls his whole career is going to carry them. A lot of logic there :roll:

Gobert has never won anything with or without anyone. This Jazz team doesn’t win anything that matters. They have accomplished less than plenty of people you clown as one sided. Rudy has been a name worth knowing for like 6 years and they have won what....2 playoff series total? 3? Rudy Gobert has had similar or less playoff success than Demar Derozan. Let’s leave winning talk for players who aren’t obviously being used against their own teams in the playoffs....especially on the side of the ball they are supposed to be dominant.

You expect a Steve Nash type to be exploited on defense not offense. A Ben Wallace type to be exploited on offense not defense. The entire world watched a DPOY be exploited thoroughly on BOTH ends because not only can teams go small and negate him but he lacks the skill set to punish them for it on the other end....unlike Ayton.

Theres no “mouse in the house” aspect he can take advantage of to break the tactic used to exploit him on D because he has to rely on talented guards to create his looks. He’s not your much hated Mark Eaton on offense just there to be in the way. He’s more mobile than that.... but in the end in a similar situation? Both would get exploited by small ball score like 10-12 when the dynamic guards created a few dunks for them and get run around on defense after a year of making a difference in the regular season.

Your boy looked like Mark Eaton in the biggest game of the year and he’s been a total disappointment too many times when teams can plan for him to keep the bs “He wins” narrative. I heard a joke once that Ben Rothlisberger runs like a skyscraper that sprouted legs and that would be more more apt a description for Rudy in the playoffs at times.

When he’s getting turned around and abused by small ball and can’t do shit to make them rethink it on the other end a guy like Ayton who can is at least a thinker in situations. Yes you get trolled. But your responses are troll shit too even if you don’t realize it.

When you bullshit the way you have when he performs the way he did you’re a goblin yelling at trolls. You are as rigid and unthinking as the other side. You just don’t have anything funny to say so you look bitter and dishonest in comparison to the trolls who have the reality of his performance to justify laughing.

Sometimes you just gotta say “Yea he got his ass kicked....it cost us” and move on. It isn’t ish trolls. Its most of the basketball world. I watched that game in a bar in South Carolina where not one person gave two shits about Rudy and he was getting laughed at by old men and 20 somethings alike. It wasn’t like a topic of discussion but there were audible guffaws from time to time.

He took an L. He was a huge part of why his team looked bad...just the way it is. You being trolled doesn’t change that. The trolls come well armed this time. They coming through in armor like the ones on lord of the rings:


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2106210410420373.jpeg

And Rudy is the one who armed them. Be mad at him not them. Trolls gonna troll. You’re trolling back...only they have weapons. You’re trolling bare handed.

[RRR3]

He was a project until December when he became their best player overnite. Go watch the games and tell me they started winning because of Hayward and Favors stepping up their games
Go watch the playoffs and tell me Toody was better than Mitchell.

[RRR3]

Gobert has never won anything with or without anyone. This Jazz team doesn’t win anything that matters. They have accomplished less than plenty of people you clown as one sided. Rudy has been a name worth knowing for like 6 years and they have won what....2 playoff series total? 3? Rudy Gobert has had similar or less playoff success than Demar Derozan. Let’s leave winning talk for players who aren’t obviously being used against their own teams in the playoffs....especially on the side of the ball they are supposed to be dominant.

You expect a Steve Nash type to be exploited on defense not offense. A Ben Wallace type to be exploited on offense not defense. The entire world watched a DPOY be exploited thoroughly on BOTH ends because not only can teams go small and negate him but he lacks the skill set to punish them for it on the other end....unlike Ayton.

Theres no “mouse in the house” aspect he can take advantage of to break the tactic used to exploit him on D because he has to rely on talented guards to create his looks. He’s not your much hated Mark Eaton on offense just there to be in the way. He’s more mobile than that.... but in the end in a similar situation? Both would get exploited by small ball score like 10-12 when the dynamic guards created a few dunks for them.

Your boy looked like Mark Eaton in the biggest game of the year and he’s been a total disappointment too many times when teams can plan for him to keep the bs “He wins” narrative. I heard a joke once that Ben Rothlisberger runs like a skyscraper that sprouted legs and that would be more more apt a description for Rudy in the playoffs at times.

Hen he’s getting turned around and abused by small ball and can’t do shit to make them rethink it on the other end a guy like Ayton who can is at least a thinker in situations. Yes you get trolled. But your responses are troll shit too even if you don’t realize it.

When you bullshit the way you have when he performs the way he did you’re a goblin yelling at trolls. You are as rigid and I thinking as the other side. You just don’t have anything funny to say so you look bitter and dishonest in comparison to the trolls.

Sometimes you just gotta say “Yea he got his ask kicked....it cost us” and move on. It isn’t ish trolls. Its most of the basketball world. I watched that game in a bar in South Carolina where not one person gave two shits about Rudy and he was getting laughed at by old men and 20 somethings alike. It wasn’t like a topic of discussion but there were audible guffaws from time to time.

He took an L. He was a huge part of why his team looked bad...just the way it is. You being trolled doesn’t change that. The trolls come well armed this time. They coming through in armor like the ones on lord of the rings:


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2106210410420373.jpeg

And Rudy is the one who armed them. Be mad at him not them. Trolls gonna troll. You’re trolling back...only they have weapons. You’re trolling bare handed.
Ethered.

[Xiao Yao You]

Go watch the playoffs and tell me Toody was better than Mitchell.

the question is would Mitchell or Ayton be in the playoffs without others getting them there. No reason to think they would

[RRR3]

the question is would Mitchell or Ayton be in the playoffs without others getting them there. No reason to think they would
They have 2 other all stars and a good supporting cast and Ayton isn’t a scrub either. That’s a playoff team. Noticed you avoided Kblaze as usual :yaohappy:

[Xiao Yao You]

They have 2 other all stars and a good supporting cast and Ayton isn’t a scrub either. That’s a playoff team. Noticed you avoided Kblaze as usual :yaohappy:

all stars because someone is carrying them. Never called Ayton a scrub. He's a role player. Gobert is the reason the Jazz don't suck. What do I say to KBlaze? We're having a discussion about something and he writes an essay about something else.

[ArbitraryWater]

Xiao ducking the blaze

[RRR3]

Xiao ducking the blaze
He’s terrified of Blaze because he can’t dismiss his points as trolling. He wants none of that smoke.


Just tried to say Gobert is the reason Mitchell and Conley are allstars, he’s losing it.

[Xiao Yao You]

He’s terrified of Blaze because he can’t dismiss his points as trolling. He wants none of that smoke.


Just tried to say Gobert is the reason Mitchell and Conley are allstars, he’s losing it.

Hard to be an all-star on a bad team. Terrified on the internet? What world do you live in? :lol

[warriorfan]

Hard to be an all-star on a bad team. Terrified on the internet? What world do you live in? :lol

A painful one...

“Existence is suffering” -RRR3

[RRR3]

Lapdogfan desperate following me around for pats and treats.



Not now, boy, but we’ll play fetch later.

[RRR3]

Hard to be an all-star on a bad team. Terrified on the internet? What world do you live in? :lol
Too terrified to respond to his excellent points :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

He’s terrified of Blaze because he can’t dismiss his points as trolling. He wants none of that smoke.


Just tried to say Gobert is the reason Mitchell and Conley are allstars, he’s losing it.

eea he just collectively dismisses it so he doesnt have to answer lol

hes too prideful to have a legit discussion about gobert's flaws and mortality

[warriorfan]

Lapdogfan desperate following me around for pats and treats.



Not now, boy, but we’ll play fetch later.

Hey man. Take it easy. Just don’t kill yourself or anything now. At least you’ve stopped making thinly veiled suicide threats on ish. That’s a start.

[RRR3]

https://media.tenor.com/images/39168164315e332b70b946e1d816117a/tenor.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

:lol

[warriorfan]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSamz-4uBF0PTdUu7AvszhMcxL7oRthBb42CA&usqp=CAU

“Existence is pain” -RRR3

[Xiao Yao You]

Too terrified to respond to his excellent points :confusedshrug:

Where would I start? It's mostly been covered ad nauseam. To summarize for trolls with a short attention span. Gobert emerged in Dec. 2015 on a tanking team. Suddenly the Jazz didn't suck anymore to the chagrin of the front office. When he was injured for a month 3 different times after that they were back to their sucking ways despite the greatness of Hayward, Favors, COTY, etc. After 3 DPOY, annual All defense first team and all NBA teams he is suddenly a scrub because the best player in Jazz history has emerged :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Hey man. Take it easy. Just don’t kill yourself or anything now. At least you’ve stopped making thinly veiled suicide threats on ish. That’s a start.

didn't realize his life was that pathetic despite his incessant trolling

[Xiao Yao You]

eea he just collectively dismisses it so he doesnt have to answer lol

hes too prideful to have a legit discussion about gobert's flaws and mortality

I'm discussing it all the time because of ISH trolls that have nothing better to do than start yet another ridiculous discussioin

[Kblaze8855]

the question is would Mitchell or Ayton be in the playoffs without others getting them there. No reason to think they would

What are the playoff for? To compete for a title. If you have a player who helps you get there while simultaneously being exploited on both ends to prevent you from doing what you’re there to do....what’s the point? Ben Simmons won’t be aggressive on offense. He won’t be a major reason your team can’t defend. Trae Young can’t guard anyone. Bet he won’t be the reason the Hawks can’t score. Off shooting game? Maybe. But no defense will be designed around his offensive limitations.

Teams go small and it makes Rudy look like he doesn’t belong on the floor for these moments.

It’s not entirely his fault...it’s the league now. If they can get away with making your bigs play outside on D and get exposed they will. And they can do that when your big doesn’t have the talent to overwhelm the wings on the other end.

Thats always been the trade. Kanter would have been bodied on D too. But you give him the ball he can at least make you worry about what he does in response.

If Rudy had the offense of Boban he’d absolutely be more useful in many playoff games. Boban will beat those little guys ass inside both on the boards and scoring. He just can’t play because he gets picked on due to foot speed. When Rudy gets picked on AND can’t score...eh.

If I have to get abused on D either way at least like to have a Kanter type hogging offensive rebounds and making a guard look silly trying to defend him.

Its a liability every bit as much as the bad defenders you love to mock. Yea....Melo won’t play D. Put prime Melo out there and guard him with someone 6’2” who isn’t a defensive specialist either.

He might give you 50.

Teams have figured this out. We came into the year reading articles on them trying to work out a way for him to not be played off the floor in the playoffs. The solution was apparently to just leave him in and let role players run a train on him on D and ignore him on offense.

You can’t be a liability on both ends in the playoffs. Not for enough games to win anything that counts....so what is gained by making the playoffs? Seriously....if the guy you thinks makes the team make the playoffs is also game planned into irrelevance in them....is the team better off in the lottery getting more talented?

Not that the Jazz would be bad with Ayton anyway. But that’s a whole other matter.

I think my word count on this subject is high enough for now. Keep fighting that troll civil war. Just letting you know....you’re absolutely the confederacy right now. You might be determined and prideful....but the other side is just better armed and provisioned.

Rudy left your armory depleted for this off-season battle. Take it up with him.

[RRR3]

I'm discussing it all the time because of ISH trolls that have nothing better to do than start yet another ridiculous discussioin
You realize we just respond to stuff you say right? If you didn’t say ridiculous stuff about Rudy and Mitchell this wouldn’t happen. I’m done trolling you about this cuz it’s pointless, you’ll never realize the things you’re saying are ridiculous. Enjoy the rest of the playoffs.

[ArbitraryWater]

didn't realize his life was that pathetic despite his incessant trolling

you shouldnt be talking about anyone having pathetic lifes lol

[Xiao Yao You]

What are the playoff for? To compete for a title. If you have a player who helps you get there while simultaneously being exploited on both ends to prevent you from doing what you’re there to do....what’s the point? Ben Simmons won’t be aggressive on offense. He won’t be a major reason your team can’t defend. Trae Young can’t guard anyone. Bet he won’t be the reason the Hawks can’t score. Off shooting game? Maybe. But no defense will be designed around his offensive limitations.

Teams go small and it makes Rudy look like he doesn’t belong on the floor for these moments.

It’s not entirely his fault...it’s the league now. If they can get away with making your bigs play outside on D and get exposed they will. And they can do that when your big doesn’t have the talent to overwhelm the wings on the other end.

Thats always been the trade. Kanter would have been bodied on D too. But you give him the ball he can at least make you worry about what he does in response.

If Rudy had the offense of Boban he’d absolutely be more useful in many playoff games. Boban will beat those little guys ass inside both on the boards and scoring. He just can’t play because he gets picked on due to foot speed. When Rudy gets picked on AND can’t score...eh.

If I have to get abused on D either way at least like to have a Kanter type hogging offensive rebounds and making a guard look silly trying to defend him.

Its a liability every bit as much as the bad defenders you love to mock. Yea....Melo won’t play D. Put prime Melo out there and guard him with someone 6’2” who isn’t a defensive specialist either.

He might give you 50.

Teams have figured this out. We came into the year reading articles on them trying to work out a way for him to not be played off the floor in the playoffs. The solution was apparently to just leave him in and let role players run a train on him on D and ignore him on offense.

You can’t be a liability on both ends in the playoffs. Not for enough games to win anything that counts....so what is gained by making the playoffs? Seriously....if the guy you thinks makes the team make the playoffs is also game planned into irrelevance in them....is the team better off in the lottery getting more talented?

Not that the Jazz would be bad with Ayton anyway. But that’s a whole other matter.

I think my word count on this subject is high enough for now. Keep fighting that troll civil war. Just letting you know....you’re absolutely the confederacy right now. You might be determined and prideful....but the other side is just better armed and provisioned.

Rudy left your armory depleted for this off-season battle. Take it up with him.

No reason to think the Jazz wouldn't be bad with Ayton. Why is that another matter in a discussion that was made for exactly that? Again the Jazz without Gobert haven't been good. The Suns with Ayton have been bad until another guy that can carry a team came to town.

[Xiao Yao You]

You realize we just respond to stuff you say right? If you didn’t say ridiculous stuff about Rudy and Mitchell this wouldn’t happen. I’m done trolling you about this cuz it’s pointless, you’ll never realize the things you’re saying are ridiculous. Enjoy the rest of the playoffs.

you do? I started this discussion? What have I said that is ridiculous? I back up my stuff with hard facts and numbers. I know they hurt feeble brain. Miami and Gobert are out. Off-season for me

[Xiao Yao You]

you shouldnt be talking about anyone having pathetic lifes lol

why because I feed trolls?

[ArbitraryWater]

No reason to think the Jazz wouldn't be bad with Ayton. Why is that another matter in a discussion that was made for exactly that? Again the Jazz without Gobert haven't been good. The Suns with Ayton have been bad until another guy that can carry a team came to town.

there is nothing to suggest Gobert would be doing anything without a star perimeter player carrying the team.

Gobert is a souped up role player.

Thats literally it.

He's a what, 12/10 guy?

Bogut was probably better because Bogut had some off. game

[RRR3]

you do? I started this discussion? What have I said that is ridiculous? I back up my stuff with hard facts and numbers. I know they hurt feeble brain. Miami and Gobert are out. Off-season for me
We’ve been over this a million times I’m not doing it anymore. You’re just being stubborn refusing to see the truth at this point. I’ll stop trolling you but I will tell you you’re going to keep getting trolled by others if you keep acting like Rudy is perfect and Mitchell is terrible. Enjoy the playoffs and try to appreciate Mitchell more while he’s still in his prime.

[ArbitraryWater]

why because I feed trolls?

You think Brogdon is better than Mitchell or LaVine and talk about feeding trolls lol


you dont understand basketball

[Xiao Yao You]

there is nothing to suggest Gobert would be doing anything without a star perimeter player carrying the team.

Gobert is a souped up role player.

Thats literally it.

He's a what, 12/10 guy?

Bogut was probably better because Bogut had some off. game

nothing to suggest it other than him turning a tanking team around you mean? Or doing something despite Rubio and Favors spotting up in the corner? Why did those perimter players look so bad when Gobert was hurt? Why was he 13-6 without the best player in Jazz history 'carrying him'? Traditional stats really? :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

We’ve been over this a million times I’m not doing it anymore. You’re just being stubborn refusing to see the truth at this point. I’ll stop trolling you but I will tell you you’re going to keep getting trolled by others if you keep acting like Rudy is perfect and Mitchell is terrible. Enjoy the playoffs and try to appreciate Mitchell more while he’s still in his prime.

when did I say Rudy was perfect? Didn't say Mitchell was terrible either. I prefer guys that pass and defend to guys that gun. Personal preference I guess. I like the beauty of team not the ugliness of iso. You know you can't quit me. I really wish you could. Truly a sad thing to witness

[JohnMax]

https://twitter.com/YoungNBA/status/1406740892736638980

Paul George on Deandre Ayton's impact: "Yeah, it's different. Ayton is a little bit more agile, more of a presence down low, and a better finisher than the other bigs we faced."

[Axe]

:roll:

[Proctor]

Gobert has another awful postseason and Xiao starts battling the voices in his head that yell out the names Rubio and Favors. LMAO :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

You think Brogdon is better than Mitchell or LaVine and talk about feeding trolls lol


you dont understand basketball

Mr. Lottery Lavine you mean? Brogdon has been on good teams and I was told he defends and passes the ball. Not about being better by your measure it's about playing with a team. Iso and no effort on D is the wrong way to play no matter how much you may love that kind of ball. I enjoyed playing with a team myself

[Axe]

Toody is the best role player but that's about it.

[MrFonzworth]

Rudy isn't even in the playoffs anymore and rr3 and autismowater are still having 3 hour meltdowns over him.

[Xiao Yao You]

Rudy isn't even in the playoffs anymore and rr3 and autismowater are still having 3 hour meltdowns over him.

wouldn't expect anything else. Their pathetic lives revolve around it