Is Trae Young already the greatest offensive point guard in NBA history?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

- Magic had Kareem

- Curry had klay dray and Durant

- Chris Paul had harden and Devin Booker

- Trae young has bogi bogdanovic

Something isn't the same with this picture. Trae is going to give you 30 points, 10 assists, make your offense like 15 times better then it is and hit clutch shots. Sounds like the GOAT offensive point guard to me. Carrying bums to the conference finals and eliminated mvp finalist and the 1st seed.

[FultzNationRISE]

Bed time, OP.

[Shooter]

Bed time, OP.

https://i.postimg.cc/PJpf2RWJ/tenor.gif

[Spurs m8]

Lmfao

[1987_Lakers]

Can be a little inefficient for my liking, if the Hawks lost today we would all be talking about how Trae choked this game away, his passing ability is very underrated though.

[bobopenguin]

ok, just to make u happy.

yes he is.

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

Can Trae do what Isiah did in the 88 Finals?

[Ice Trae]

Imagine when he gets a legit star next to him

[HBK_Kliq_2]

how exactly is trae elevated by a team completed shitting the bed and Ben Simmons literally flushing his career down the toilet

Because his 2nd option is Bogi

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Can be a little inefficient for my liking, if the Hawks lost today we would all be talking about how Trae choked this game away, his passing ability is very underrated though.

His passing is incredible and he's way more of a scoring threat and 3 point threat then magic or cp3 ever were. Gets to the free throw line better then those guys too.

[Ice Trae]

Trae is already top 3 best playmaker in the game today. Once he cleans up some of his bad shots and becomes more efficient he is going to be one of the best to ever do it. Haters gonna hate

[Thenameless]

No. It's still Magic Johnson.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

No. It's still Magic Johnson.

Trae Young currently has a 50.6 assist % which is higher then any magic Johnson playoff run.

Trae is also way quicker, doesn't have aids, better at getting to the line, better high volume scorer, more crafty.

Trae is just better then magic ever was.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Trae is already top 3 best playmaker in the game today. Once he cleans up some of his bad shots and becomes more efficient he is going to be one of the best to ever do it. Haters gonna hate

He has a jaw dropping 50.6 assist %

[SATAN]

HBK is doing this in case Leonard chokes against Hawks in the finals.

[Sulico]

In the universe where Kawhi Leonard is GOAT, yes, yes he is.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

In the universe where Kawhi Leonard is GOAT, yes, yes he is.

GOAT Trae is at 50.6 assist% and 10.6 turnover % for the playoffs this year

Magic's best playoffs was in 1985 when he averaged 48 assist % and 21.5 turnover %

So Magic can't even reach Trae's assist % and still has double the amount of turnover! hahaah and magic can't create his own shot like Trae either. Trae is obviously the better offensive player.

Trae\Jordan\Kawhi\Bird\Dirk is the GOAT offensive starting 5

[HBK_Kliq_2]

HBK is doing this in case Leonard chokes against Hawks in the finals.

I'm very impressed by Trae and he has better stats then magic johnson, so i thought i'd credit him. I don't think he's the overall player that Kawhi is but Trae is GOAT offensive point guard level without question.


Trae\Jordan\Kawhi\Bird\Dirk is the GOAT offensive starting 5

[warriorfan]

Paul George is better

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Paul George is better


Trae\Jordan\Kawhi\Bird\Dirk is the GOAT offensive starting 5

[000]

Hes not just the GOAT offensive point guard but also the GOAT point guard overall

[warriorfan]

Trae\Jordan\Kawhi\Bird\Dirk is the GOAT offensive starting 5

You’re gay

[Thenameless]

Trae Young currently has a 50.6 assist % which is higher then any magic Johnson playoff run.

Trae is also way quicker, doesn't have aids, better at getting to the line, better high volume scorer, more crafty.

Trae is just better then magic ever was.

Trae would not be able to fill in for the loss of a 7'2" MVP center in his rookie season, and go on to be a Finals MVP. Magic is already way ahead of him, and the gap will only continue to widen.

[RRR3]

Trae would not be able to fill in for the loss of a 7'2" MVP center in his rookie season, and go on to be a Finals MVP. Magic is already way ahead of him, and the gap will only continue to widen.
Why would the gap continue to widen? Trae is a kid. He’s ****ing 22 years old. He’s going to improve. No he’ll never be as great as Magic but the gap isn’t going to widen lol.

[Spain_]

Trae Young is steph curry with a 40 inch vertical

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Peak offense

Magic
Oscar
Nash/CP3
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Trae
Steph
Dame
Price
Zeke
Stockton
Arenas
Rose
Frazier
KJ
Parker
DWill

[Phoenix]

OP is Jeff right? It cant be a small coincidence that HBK Klit shows up in 2020 posting waves of dumb shit and then a year later, at the playoffs, 000 shows up dropping 70 posts a day of dumb shit. Even the biggest basement dwelling, still sucking on mommy's tit retards that we have here don't post as much garbage as this. Bookmark this when next playoff another 'new' poster suddenly pops up in this manner.

[Ghost1]

5-23 from the field in a game 7 win :oldlol: #for#kobe

[jayfan]

Strange question to ask after he goes 5 for 23.



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[Thenameless]

Why would the gap continue to widen? Trae is a kid. He’s ****ing 22 years old. He’s going to improve. No he’ll never be as great as Magic but the gap isn’t going to widen lol.

Magic's already ahead with a Championship after his rookie year. In his third year he wins his second Championship. Believe me, the gap will continue to widen. You're trying to compare the flavor of the day against an all time great, and easily the best offensive point guard ever. Magic was not a great defender, but the one thing that he was by far the best at was orchestrating an offense to score. He dominates in the half court because at 6'9" he'll just back down and post up the little opposing point guard like 6'1" Trae, or easily pass over him if someone comes over to double team. And on the fast break forget it, there's no one better. It's Showtime!

[Bronbron23]

- Magic had Kareem

- Curry had klay dray and Durant

- Chris Paul had harden and Devin Booker

- Trae young has bogi bogdanovic

Something isn't the same with this picture. Trae is going to give you 30 points, 10 assists, make your offense like 15 times better then it is and hit clutch shots. Sounds like the GOAT offensive point guard to me. Carrying bums to the conference finals and eliminated mvp finalist and the 1st seed.

Come on bruh. I like trae but this is why people like me hate on curry. Their fans make moronic statements like this.

[tpols]

He just went 5-23 with 6 turnovers and won a game 7 on the road. He was carried by that random white guy going off.

[Shooter]

Can Trae do what Isiah did in the 88 Finals?

Here's the Orlando 3ball alt I was talking about :lol

[Ice Trae]

This is a legendary thread. Be Legendary

Trae the GOAT

[Bronbron23]

This is a legendary thread. Be Legendary

Trae the GOAT

I like trae but he resembles a rat more than goat buddy

[Gohan]

Trae did some nice chucking last night i have to admit

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He just went 5-23 with 6 turnovers and won a game 7 on the road. He was carried by that random white guy going off.

That's like saying Dirk was carried in the 2011 finals because Jason terry outplayed him in game 6.

Trae Young is the pat mahomes of the NBA. We have never seen a scoring/passing duel threat like this in NBA history.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I like trae but he resembles a rat more than goat buddy

What do you want me to say about a guy who puts up 29/11 and carries bogi to the conference finals?

[Ice Trae]

I like trae but he resembles a rat more than goat buddy

https://media1.giphy.com/media/jOzgBS6XYCeo2z5gu5/200.gif

[Gohan]

that's like saying dirk was carried in the 2011 finals because jason terry outplayed him in game 6.

Trae young is the pat mahomes of the nba. We have never seen a scoring/passing duel threat like this in nba history.

you go to the extreme with every player you like....damn

[tpols]

That's like saying Dirk was carried in the 2011 finals because Jason terry outplayed him in game 6.

Trae Young is the pat mahomes of the NBA. We have never seen a scoring/passing duel threat like this in NBA history.

Trae just averaged 29/11/2 on 53 TS. Nice volume but mediocre efficiency. In his last 3 Finals Chef averaged

31/6/5 on 60TS
27/9/8 on 62TS
28/7/6 on 56 TS

Blows Trae away in efficiency on same volume. Much better rebounding and defender too.

And that's just the Finals where Curry doesn't have the best rep (and still has better productions and impact). We could use playoffs in general and it would be even more lopsided.

The hawks and young are going to get destroyed by Milwaukee. Jrue is going to have Trae in a straight jacket.

[insight]

And that's just the Finals where Curry doesn't have the best rep (and still has better productions and impact). We could use playoffs in general and it would be even more lopsided.

What were Stephs playoffs numbers at age 22?

[insight]

Trae just averaged 29/11/2 on 53 TS. Nice volume but mediocre efficiency. In his last 3 Finals Chef averaged

31/6/5 on 60TS
27/9/8 on 62TS
28/7/6 on 56 TS

Blows Trae away in efficiency on same volume. Much better rebounding and defender too.

And that's just the Finals where Curry doesn't have the best rep (and still has better productions and impact). We could use playoffs in general and it would be even more lopsided.

The hawks and young are going to get destroyed by Milwaukee. Jrue is going to have Trae in a straight jacket.

Steph doesn't play point guard he plays shooting guard. If all Trae had to do was come off screens and look for his shot he would be much more efficent.
The Sixers had 3 All defensive Team players and none of them could guard Trae straight up but Jrue is going to put Trae in a straight jacket?

The Hawks are playing with house money. We were supposed to be destoyed by the Knicks and Sixers but ended up destorying Julius Randal and Ben Simmons career, keeping sleeping on them if you want to.

[Gohan]

steph doesn't play point guard he plays shooting guard. If all trae had to do was come off screens and look for his shot he would be much more efficent.
The sixers had 3 all defensive team players and none of them could guard trae straight up but jrue is going to put trae in a straight jacket?

The hawks are playing with house money. We were supposed to be destoyed by the knicks and sixers but ended up destorying julius randal and ben simmons career, keeping sleeping on them if you want to.

are you implying trae could do what curry does cause ill tell you he can't

[hold this L]

Steph doesn't play point guard he plays shooting guard. If all Trae had to do was come off screens and look for his shot he would be much more efficent.
The Sixers had 3 All defensive Team players and none of them could guard Trae straight up but Jrue is going to put Trae in a straight jacket?

The Hawks are playing with house money. We were supposed to be destoyed by the Knicks and Sixers but ended up destorying Julius Randal and Ben Simmons career, keeping sleeping on them if you want to.

Anybody who thinks Steph is an SG instead of a PG doesn't understand basketball.

[falconfan13]

Don't know about offensive but according to Ben Simmons he is the greatest defensive PG ever. He took one look at Trae near the basket when he was about to go for that dunk and made a career decision and wanted no part of that defensive god XD

[Shooter]

Don't know about offensive but according to Ben Simmons he is the greatest defensive PG ever. He took one look at Trae near the basket when he was about to go for that dunk and made a career decision and wanted no part of that defensive god XD

:roll::roll:

[insight]

Anybody who thinks Steph is an SG instead of a PG doesn't understand basketball.
Yeah thats why Klay Thompson has more assist than Steph Curry and Draymond has nearly the same amount as Curry. If you think Curry is running the Warriors offense like CP3 , I don't know what to tell ya.
There are not that many true point guards in the league.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Anybody who thinks Steph is an SG instead of a PG doesn't understand basketball.

He's not a pure point guard like Trae Young and doesn't have even half of Trae's passing ability. The only time Stephen Curry was a true PG was during the Mark Jackson failure era. During the warriors success, Steve Kerr made Draymond Green the point guard. That was probably the most important decision that Steve Kerr ever made, while Mark Jackson was using Draymond as a bench role player lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Trae just averaged 29/11/2 on 53 TS. Nice volume but mediocre efficiency. In his last 3 Finals Chef averaged

31/6/5 on 60TS
27/9/8 on 62TS
28/7/6 on 56 TS

Blows Trae away in efficiency on same volume. Much better rebounding and defender too.

And that's just the Finals where Curry doesn't have the best rep (and still has better productions and impact). We could use playoffs in general and it would be even more lopsided.

The hawks and young are going to get destroyed by Milwaukee. Jrue is going to have Trae in a straight jacket.

Curry has hall of famers like Durant, Klay, Draymond on his team during most of those finals. Curry couldn't even make the playoffs this year and had Draymond who is a better player then Collins, as well as Wiggins who is a better player then Bogi.

[Spurs m8]

I got aids reading this thread

[Gohan]

curry has hall of famers like durant, klay, draymond on his team during most of those finals. Curry couldn't even make the playoffs this year and had draymond who is a better player then collins, as well as wiggins who is a better player then bogi.

kawhit wouldnt of made the playoffs with currys team either. Lets not act like curry had a good team now. He tried

[HBK_Kliq_2]

kawhit wouldnt of made the playoffs with currys team either. Lets not act like curry had a good team now. He tried

Kawhi has two finals mvps though and is a two way player, curry isn't in his league.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I got aids reading this thread

You already had aids if you stayed a spurs fans after Kawhi left hahahaha

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The Hawks were 14-20 when Nate McMillan took over.

They went 35-15 the rest of the way and are now in the Conference Finals.

Goat Trae fired his dumbass coach, took on a career choker Nate Mcmillian and got them to the conference finals with a bunch of role players. Wow


https://youtu.be/0r3_a6qR2bA

Trae giving Aldridge "heart issues" on this one

[Gohan]

the hawks were 14-20 when nate mcmillan took over.

They went 35-15 the rest of the way and are now in the conference finals.

Goat trae fired his dumbass coach, took on a career choker nate mcmillian and got them to the conference finals with a bunch of role players. Wow


https://youtu.be/0r3_a6qr2ba

trae giving aldridge "heart issues" on this one

yea those roleplayers carried him more like it. What happened in game 7?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

yea those roleplayers carried him more like it. What happened in game 7?

Allen Iverson assist % in 2001 = 29.1

Trae Young assist % in 2021 = 49.1

+20 for Papa Trae. Mad that Trae is running circles around your boy?

[Gohan]

allen iverson assist % in 2001 = 29.1

trae young assist % in 2021 = 49.1

+20 for papa trae. Mad that trae is running circles around your boy?

allen iverson played in tough era with rules changed specifically against him while trae and kawhit played in patty cake era where you cant look in their direction. Id much rather have iverson run point on my team than trae the chucker

[Gohan]

Btw has kawhit ever had a 50 point game yet? No? He must suck

[hold this L]

Yeah thats why Klay Thompson has more assist than Steph Curry and Draymond has nearly the same amount as Curry. If you think Curry is running the Warriors offense like CP3 , I don't know what to tell ya.
There are not that many true point guards in the league.

And you don't understand basketball. It's not about true PG, it's about the old style which CP3 plays like. Steph doesn't even play like new era PGs though, noone directs an offense like he does where it's on and off the ball. I mean even mentioning that Klay has more assists makes you sound like a moron, but whatever makes you feel better. I don't even know how anyone can bring up Klay for playmaking.

Don't know about offensive but according to Ben Simmons he is the greatest defensive PG ever. He took one look at Trae near the basket when he was about to go for that dunk and made a career decision and wanted no part of that defensive god XD
Can't remember the last time someone got roasted as bad as Simmons last night on twitter, maybe during that 3-1 choke by the Clippers last season?

[paksat]

2 pages before anyone said curry? He's not even the best in this current era, and gilbert arenas is a better scorer

[Gohan]

2 pages before anyone said curry? He's not even the best in this current era, and gilbert arenas is a better scorer

why would anyone mention curry, trae is not even close to being the greatest offensive pg, curry is however. No need to mention arenas either because arenas is a better player too.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

allen iverson played in tough era with rules changed specifically against him while trae and kawhit played in patty cake era where you cant look in their direction. Id much rather have iverson run point on my team than trae the chucker

Iverson played in a washed up era that was loaded with big men posting up, that's why it appears the defense was better but in reality it was just worse offensive being played due to inefficient post ups.

Trae is a chucker because he shoots 22 shots a game but Iverson is not a chucker because he shoots 30 shots a game? you're an idiot for that one lol

Trae is a far far superior passer then Iverson and less of a chucker. Iverson has higher usage and is taking 8 more shots a game but Trae is still +20 on assist %

[Gohan]

iverson played in a washed up era that was loaded with big men posting up, that's why it appears the defense was better but in reality it was just worse offensive being played due to inefficient post ups.

Trae is a chucker because he shoots 22 shots a game but iverson is not a chucker because he shoots 30 shots a game? You're an idiot for that one lol

trae is a far far superior passer then iverson and less of a chucker. Iverson has higher usage and is taking 8 more shots a game but trae is still +20 on assist %

trae is not even half the player that iverson was, you trying to argue that is just stupid and futile. Iverson could take a mfer one on one. Trae needs pics to switch

[Bronbron23]

What do you want me to say about a guy who puts up 29/11 and carries bogi to the conference finals?

That he was really good and one of the best point gaurds in the league. Greatest offensive point guard? Because he beat the knicks and philly. Come on man.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

That he was really good and one of the best point gaurds in the league. Greatest offensive point guard? Because he beat the knicks and philly. Come on man.

His assist and turnover ratio is better then Magic Johnson and he's dropping 29-30PPG.

He's performing at GOAT level. I'm not saying he automatically jumps to #1 for the playoff run alone. I'm saying he has played like the greatest offensive point guard ever, if he keeps it up he will be #1 by the end of his career.

I don't know if you watch NFL? Trae is Pat Mahomes. He's fast, he can pass, he can score all at elite level.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

In his only college season, Young became the only player to ever lead the NCAA in both points and assists in a single season.

I don't know why you guys seem so shocked by this, like trae was some random 10 day contract lol. This guy has always been an incredible scorer and passer.

[Gohan]

i don't know why you guys seem so shocked by this, like trae was some random 10 day contract lol. This guy has always been an incredible scorer and passer.

ashtrae cant even hoop

[Bronbron23]

His assist and turnover ratio is better then Magic Johnson and he's dropping 29-30PPG.

He's performing at GOAT level. I'm not saying he automatically jumps to #1 for the playoff run alone. I'm saying he has played like the greatest offensive point guard ever, if he keeps it up he will be #1 by the end of his career.

I don't know if you watch NFL? Trae is Pat Mahomes. He's fast, he can pass, he can score all at elite level.

Well he's playing in the easiest era ever. The rules were put in place for players like trae. That said i do like him and he is very good. To put him in sentence with magic who beat atg teams is just crazy though. Trae hasn't beat anyone of note yet and he probably never will tbh. Small gaurds who can't defend don't win chips as the best player for the most part. Steph in 15 was the exception and even that was a huge asterisk.

[Gohan]

well he's playing in the easiest era ever. The rules were put in place for players like trae. That said i do like him and he is very good. To put him in sentence with magic who beat atg teams is just crazy though. Trae hasn't beat anyone of note yet and he probably never will tbh. Small gaurds who can't defend don't win chips as the best player for the most part. Steph in 15 was the exception and even that was a huge asterisk.

he almost did it in2016 but dray got suspended and cavs had tyronne lue as coach

[Bronbron23]

he almost did it in2016 but dray got suspended and cavs had tyronne lue as coach

Well steph as the best player on his team has to take most of the responsibility. It wasn't a great series for him. If he plays better they win that chip. Lion share of the blame is on him

[Turbo Slayer]

No.

[Ice Trae]

No.


no means yes

[Axe]

why would anyone mention curry, trae is not even close to being the greatest offensive pg, curry is however. No need to mention arenas either because arenas is a better player too.
But again. No klay, no play and no slay dear.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

ashtrae cant even hoop


https://youtu.be/vH197m1a9PM

Passes 10x better then Iverson, shoot 3's better as well.

[insight]

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[Spurs m8]

https://teeducky.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/redirect06212021020657-8.jpg

Mask the embiid...what's your address, bro?

[Phoenix]

Yeah thats why Klay Thompson has more assist than Steph Curry and Draymond has nearly the same amount as Curry. If you think Curry is running the Warriors offense like CP3 , I don't know what to tell ya.
There are not that many true point guards in the league.

Steph is an off-ball facilitator. You can't compare the way he plays to any other PG. I just look at him as a guard, period. The semantics of PG and SG are irrelevant. And if you don't think the offense goes thru him, then you've missed the games where hes not playing. Hint: it's not pretty. What makes Steph unique is that we always think of facilitators and offense starters as having the ball in their hands at all times. Steph's gravity extends to half-court and opens up the floor for everyone else. His threat to get off a shot from practically anywhere sends defenses in a tailspin trying to account for where he is.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Steph is an off-ball facilitator. You can't compare the way he plays to any other PG. I just look at him as a guard, period. The semantics of PG and SG are irrelevant. And if you don't think the offense goes thru him, then you've missed the games where hes not playing. Hint: it's not pretty. What makes Steph unique is that we always think of facilitators and offense starters as having the ball in their hands at all times. Steph's gravity extends to half-court and opens up the floor for everyone else. His threat to get off a shot from practically anywhere sends defenses in a tailspin trying to account for where he is.

Nice post Phoenix, you're actually not a bad poster when you're not trolling.

Trae's 49/11/35 splits in assists, turnovers, usage is superior over any curry playoff run.

Curry's 2015 playoff run he was at 30/14/31.

Look at the difference on those splits! It shows that trae is a once in a generation level point guard like magic johnson, while curry is more on that isiah thomas level where he dominates for a few years and then kind of fizzles out.

[Spurs m8]

I think sample size may be a bit of an issue at this point.

But hey...he's been impressive so far and he's the reason this team has really over achieved.

I wish him and the Hawks all the best, I like them

[Phoenix]

Nice post Phoenix, you're actually not a bad poster when you're not trolling.

Trae's 49/11/35 splits in assists, turnovers, usage is superior over any curry playoff run.

Curry's 2015 playoff run he was at 30/14/31.

Look at the difference on those splits! It shows that trae is a once in a generation level point guard like magic johnson, while curry is more on that isiah thomas level where he dominates for a few years and then kind of fizzles out.

I only troll towards certain people( like you) where it's warranted. I have no time for stans spamming countless posts of bullshit. Otherwise, I'm more than capable of reasoned dialogue.

[insight]

Steph is an off-ball facilitator. You can't compare the way he plays to any other PG. I just look at him as a guard, period. The semantics of PG and SG are irrelevant. And if you don't think the offense goes thru him, then you've missed the games where hes not playing. Hint: it's not pretty. What makes Steph unique is that we always think of facilitators and offense starters as having the ball in their hands at all times. Steph's gravity extends to half-court and opens up the floor for everyone else. His threat to get off a shot from practically anywhere sends defenses in a tailspin trying to account for where he is.

I agree with you 100% Steph is an off ball facilitor with huge grativy. My point was not having to carry 100% of the burden of running the offense allows him to focus on what he does better than anybody in the world which is shooting.
Steph was a pretty good point guard under Mark Jackson but he became an offensive juggernaunt when he was allowed to play offball the majority of the time.
My poiint was Trae would be a much more efficient shooter if he did not have to run the entire offense for his team and only focused on making shots just like Steph would have much higher assist numbers if he played more of a traditional point guard role.
Both are great player but they play different roles for for thier team. Steph is the best shooter in the world and I believe Trae has become the best passer in the world but both players can do the other skill at a very high level.

[warriorfan]

I agree with you 100% Steph is an off ball facilitor with huge grativy. My point was not having to carry 100% of the burden of running the offense allows him to focus on what he does better than anybody in the world which is shooting.
Steph was a pretty good point guard under Mark Jackson but he became an offensive juggernaunt when he was allowed to play offball the majority of the time.
My poiint was Trae would be a much more efficient shooter if he did not have to run the entire offense for his team and only focused on making shots just like Steph would have much higher assist numbers if he played more of a traditional point guard role.
Both are great player but they play different roles for for thier team. Steph is the best shooter in the world and I believe Trae has become the best passer in the world but both players can do the other skill at a very high level.

Low iq

[hateraid]

Magic bodied Jordan. Trae could never do that.

[Bronbron23]

Low iq

It was actually high iq and almost spot on with the exception that trae would be a better shooter if that was all he had to worry about. Steph is a better shooter because he's an alien when it comes to the three ball. Trae just isn't as good of a shooter and he never will be. Just like steph isn't as good as a passer as trae. Both are trash defensively. The question when comparing these 2 is is steph's edge in scoring more impactul than Trae's edge in play making? I think it pretty much evens them out. You clearly don't feel that way.

[MadDog]

That's crazy talk. His trajectory is on the path to becoming one. As in one of the greatest offensive point guards. But what Trae does now isn't on a level above Curry or Magic.

[insight]

It was actually high iq and almost spot on with the exception that trae would be a better shooter if that was all he had to worry about. Steph is a better shooter because he's an alien when it comes to the three ball. Trae just isn't as good of a shooter and he never will be. Just like steph isn't as good as a passer as trae. Both are trash defensively. The question when comparing these 2 is is steph's edge in scoring more impactul than Trae's edge in play making? I think it pretty much evens them out. You clearly don't feel that way.
I never said Trae would be a better shooter than Curry, just a better shooter in general with much better effiency than his current numbers. Curry is the best shooter in the history of the NBA IMO, I doubt Trae reaches that level but his shooting numbers will continue to go up as he is asked to do less for his team offensively.

[Gohan]

I never said Trae would be a better shooter than Curry, just a better shooter in general with much better effiency than his current numbers. Curry is the best shooter in the history of the NBA IMO, I doubt Trae reaches that level but his shooting numbers will continue to go up as he is asked to do less for his team offensively.

and stop taking as many bad 3's. i like his release though it's so quick it's ridiculous

[insight]

Low iq

You don't even understand the team you stan for. The genius of Golden State was thier ability to get players that fit their system and have those players do what they do better than anybody in the world. Instead trying to make Steph a protypical point guard they focused on what he could do better than anybody else in the world and surrounded him with players who could supplement his weaknesses. Because his shooting was so deadly it created huge offensive gravity that negated his liability on defense and all his teammates benifited from the attentiion he garnered.

[insight]

and stop taking as many bad 3's. i like his release though it's so quick it's ridiculous

He needed to reduce he amount of 3s he took early in the shot clock and understand time and situation better but many of those deep 3s are important to the Hawks offense.
Those deep 3s keep the defense honest and his grafity creates the spacing for the entire team. The thing Trae benifited from most is having good NBA players around him allowing him to focus making the right read instead of just scoring for his team.

[Bronbron23]

I never said Trae would be a better shooter than Curry, just a better shooter in general with much better effiency than his current numbers. Curry is the best shooter in the history of the NBA IMO, I doubt Trae reaches that level but his shooting numbers will continue to go up as he is asked to do less for his team offensively.

Yeah that's fair. He's young(no pun intended) so his shooting should get better anyway. I'm not sure he'll ever be asked to do less though. He's playing in a ball dominant system like alot teams do these days. The system is designed for him to do what he's doing. If he was to play in a more ball movement system then yeah his efficiency may go up some but his stats would be less which for most of these bozo fans would mean he's not as good.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

hate to say i told you so but i told you.

[Spurs m8]

Nah, you're still an idiot

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Nah, you're still an idiot

He already dominated the bucks more then Durant did.

Trae = elite playmaking, elite slashing\shooting, elite quickness, elite IQ, elite crossovers and ball handling

[8Ball]

This era has all the GOAT offensive guards.

Curry
Lillard
Beal
Trae Young
Luka
Harden
Kyrie
Booker

[And1AllDay]

This era has all the GOAT offensive guards.

Curry
Lillard
Beal
Trae Young
Luka
Harden
Kyrie
Booker

you sure bro? what about john starks and xavier mcdaniel?

:roll::roll::roll::oldlol:

[8Ball]

you sure bro? what about john starks and xavier mcdaniel?



Add those garbage gaurds in Cleveland too

What a joke era.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

It's Magic but he could definitely go down as the best offensive point guard since Magic

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Steve nash play making, Michael Jordan scoring and crossovers

= trae young

[warriorfan]

you sure bro? what about john starks and xavier mcdaniel?

:roll::roll::roll::oldlol:
What about Jason Terry?

[Spurs m8]

What about Jason Terry?

:roll:

[Objectivity]

What about Jason Terry?

:roll::roll:

[j3lademaster]

What about Jason Terry?he was drafted by the Hawks and compared to Allen Iverson by some. The similarities end there.

[PeroAntic]

Derrick Rose with this Atlanta team would be just as good. Worse passer than Trae, but better scorer.

[Smoke117]

Derrick Rose with this Atlanta team would be just as good. Worse passer than Trae, but better scorer.

:roll: :roll: I knew we’d see something ridiculously stupid like this. Even back in 2011 Rose wasn’t anywhere close to the greatest offensive pg ever.

[ShawkFactory]

Derrick Rose with this Atlanta team would be just as good. Worse passer than Trae, but better scorer.

Like...right now?

[PeroAntic]

Like...right now?
He showed how good he still is this season and in the playoffs, so based on pure ability he could even now, but its almost impossible for him to survive the wear and tear the way Trae does.

Trae gets to the line more, but Derrick is more efficient from the field, so these should nullify each other.

[Ice Trae]

Derrick Rose with this Atlanta team would be just as good. Worse passer than Trae, but better scorer.

Can't tell if serious

[RRR3]

He showed how good he still is this season and in the playoffs, so based on pure ability he could even now, but its almost impossible for him to survive the wear and tear the way Trae does.

Trae gets to the line more, but Derrick is more efficient from the field, so these should nullify each other.
Meth.

[theman93]

What about Jason Terry?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[PeroAntic]

Meth.

DRose averaged 22 points and 5 assists in four games before playing injured in the fifth, and all this while his main task was to get the ball to Randle for him to do something stupid with it. Give Derrick the same role, minutes and usage Trae has, with the players surrounding him in Atlanta, the results wouldn't be too different.

[Axe]

DRose averaged 22 points and 5 assists in four games before playing injured in the fifth, and all this while his main task was to get the ball to Randle for him to do something stupid with it. Give Derrick the same role, minutes and usage Trae has, with the players surrounding him in Atlanta, the results wouldn't be too different.
Nobody was expecting those laughingstock knicks team to get out of the first round anyway, regardless if they have hca or have swept their opponents in the rs for that series. :confusedshrug:

[PeroAntic]

Nobody was expecting those laughingstock knicks team to get out of the first round anyway, regardless if they have hca or have swept their opponents in the rs for that series. :confusedshrug:

Take off both Rose and Trae off their teams and the result wouldn't be much different. The Knicks were just a worse team all around.

Although anyone who is saying they expected Randle to be that awful is flat out lying.

[RRR3]

DRose averaged 22 points and 5 assists in four games before playing injured in the fifth, and all this while his main task was to get the ball to Randle for him to do something stupid with it. Give Derrick the same role, minutes and usage Trae has, with the players surrounding him in Atlanta, the results wouldn't be too different.
You’re insane. Props to Rose for a good series, but he’s nowhere near Trae.

[RRR3]

Take off both Rose and Trae off their teams and the result wouldn't be much different. The Knicks were just a worse team all around.

Although anyone who is saying they expected Randle to be that awful is flat out lying.
Lmao the Hawks would be trash without Trae. Delusional.

[Axe]

Take off both Rose and Trae off their teams and the result wouldn't be much different. The Knicks were just a worse team all around.

Although anyone who is saying they expected Randle to be that awful is flat out lying.
Rose never scored at least 45 in a playoff game while young did so while being guarded by opposing center brook lopez and even garnered a triple double too. Also stop comparing their teams if they both aren't available to play for them respectively. It doesn't change the fact that rose is more than 30 y.o. rn.

[PeroAntic]

You’re insane. Props to Rose for a good series, but he’s nowhere near Trae.

Anyone who wasn't coming from media reputation/stereotypes regarding Rose and actually watches him regularly knew he was gonna have a great series. People need to stop acting like Rose performing well is a surprise somehow. But if you face off playoff Randle and the rest of that ragtag bunch without Rose, against Bogi, Collins, Hunter, Huerter, Capella, Lou... and taking into account Thibs vs. McMillan tactical ability... are you really going to say that the Knicks actually win the series? I like Trae apart from his antics, but lets not get carried away - the Hawks are STACKED.

[PeroAntic]

Rose never scored at least 45 in a playoff game while young did so while being guarded by opposing center brook lopez and even garnered a triple double too. Also stop comparing their teams if they both aren't available to play for them respectively. It doesn't change the fact that rose is more than 30 y.o. rn.

Rose dropped 50 on 3x DPOY Gobert like it was on the playground. If he wasn't told to get Randle the ball and watch him iso into traffic half of the time it is also a possibility in the playoffs. This is a coaching decision.

And why is it such a big deal that Rose is over 30? Lillard, Curry, Harden, are all over 30. The odds that Rose stays fit for a prolonged time are smaller than the odds of those guys, but playoffs are not really prolonged time is it?

[Axe]

Rose dropped 50 on 3x DPOY Gobert like it was on the playground. If he wasn't told to get Randle the ball and watch him iso into traffic half of the time it is also a possibility in the playoffs. This is a coaching decision.

And why is it such a big deal that Rose is over 30? Lillard, Curry, Harden, are all over 30. The odds that Rose stays fit for a prolonged time are smaller than the odds of those guys, but playoffs are not really prolonged time is it?
Which only happened once and that was like two or three seasons ago so why bother recall it when it didn't even happen in the postseason at all? Also, you do realize you are comparing him to trae young who's just 22 atm. And yes, rose was also shown to have a poorer longevity over those guys you mentioned rt. So i don't see any point of bringing them up but you had to just because i mentioned his age.

[insight]

Anyone who wasn't coming from media reputation/stereotypes regarding Rose and actually watches him regularly knew he was gonna have a great series. People need to stop acting like Rose performing well is a surprise somehow. But if you face off playoff Randle and the rest of that ragtag bunch without Rose, against Bogi, Collins, Hunter, Huerter, Capella, Lou... and taking into account Thibs vs. McMillan tactical ability... are you really going to say that the Knicks actually win the series? I like Trae apart from his antics, but lets not get carried away - the Hawks are STACKED.

Funny how all of sudden the Hawks are stacked, when most people going into the series said the Knicks team was more talented, Thibs was coach of the year and Julius Randle was better than Trae Young.
Atlanta had zero all-stars this year, zero All NBA players, but now all of a sudden they have a stacked roster.

[PeroAntic]

Which only happened once and that was like two or three seasons ago so why bother recall it when it didn't even happen in the postseason at all? Also, you do realize you are comparing him to trae young who's just 22 atm. And yes, rose was also shown to have a poorer longevity over those guys you mentioned rt. So i don't see any point of bringing them up but you had to just because i mentioned his age.

Because its a media narrative that Rose is somehow old. Im sick of the whole 'veteran Rose' bs. Why does nobody call the other ones veterans?

And the point is longetivity is more of an issue over the course of a RS. In the playoffs, its pretty much down to random luck - you see players are dropping as flies all over the place, why does Rose constantly get the stick for being injury prone?

[ShawkFactory]

Funny how all of sudden the Hawks are stacked, when most people going into the series said the Knicks team was more talented, Thibs was coach of the year and Julius Randle was better than Trae Young.
Atlanta had zero all-stars this year, zero All NBA players, but now all of a sudden they have a stacked roster.

Not only are the stacked... they’re now STACKED

[000]

Trae hung having deandre hunter is way overboard. How can the rest of the league compete with that? Wtf

[Axe]

Because its a media narrative that Rose is somehow old. Im sick of the whole 'veteran Rose' bs. Why does nobody call the other ones veterans?

And the point is longetivity is more of an issue over the course of a RS. In the playoffs, its pretty much down to random luck - you see players are dropping as flies all over the place, why does Rose constantly get the stick for being injury prone?
Why? It's simple. Because he isn't as relevant as the other perennial stars nowadays and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. The only one solid run he did in his career happened ten years ago, which was also that one time he made the conference finals. Other seasons have him spending time in rehabilitation and even when he's somewhat recovered from his injuries then, his numbers aren't as productive anymore than when he was a lot younger. Rn what he does is better than nothing tho but far from getting thrilled about.

[PeroAntic]

Not only are the stacked... they’re now STACKED

The Knicks overachieved, the Hawks didnt. They are stacked, regardless of who said what during the season... Bogi, Capella, Collins, Hunter, Huerter, Gallo, Lou, this is a team of insane shooters and defenders that has a phenomenal coach. They become a championship level team if they have a specific type of pointguard to run the show, which they do in Trae. But Rose fits the mold since hes a similar type of pointguard to Trae. As I said the only notable difference is freethrows and field goal efficiency.

[PeroAntic]

Why? It's simple. Because he isn't as relevant as the other perennial stars nowadays and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. The only one solid run he did in his career happened ten years ago, which was also that one time he made the conference finals. Other seasons have him spending time in rehabilitation and even when he's somewhat recovered from his injuries then, his numbers aren't as productive anymore than when he was a lot younger. Rn what he does is better than nothing tho but far from getting thrilled about.

No context, media driven analysis. Casual spotted!

[Axe]

No context, media driven analysis. Casual spotted!
Well, come back to me once he's made an actual trip to the finals bub! :oldlol:

[Axe]

The Knicks overachieved, the Hawks didnt. They are stacked, regardless of who said what during the season... Bogi, Capella, Collins, Hunter, Huerter, Gallo, Lou, this is a team of insane shooters and defenders that has a phenomenal coach. They become a championship level team if they have a specific type of pointguard to run the show, which they do in Trae. But Rose fits the mold since hes a similar type of pointguard to Trae. As I said the only notable difference is freethrows and field goal efficiency.
14-20 until mcmillan took over doesn't sound so stacked at all

[3ba11]

I will eat my pride and give Trae all the props in the world if he wins this series... because I don't think the Hawks will win another game

[AlternativeAcc.]

Trae will have his poor shooting nights, but his impact is always there. The pressure he puts on the defense with his elite speed, handle, court vision, and decision making will always be a positive no matter if he's hot from the field or not.

I saw some plays he made last night that instantly made me think of bird and magic. His processing speed is off the charts.. he's 2 steps ahead

Trae is like nash/Paul/magic/Stockton but with much more scoring/takeover ability

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He showed how good he still is this season and in the playoffs, so based on pure ability he could even now, but its almost impossible for him to survive the wear and tear the way Trae does.

Trae gets to the line more, but Derrick is more efficient from the field, so these should nullify each other.

Derrick Rose 2011 playoff run was at 50% TS

Trae is scoring 3-4 more PPG and is at 56% TS

He's not a better scorer. Also Trae is like 10x better playmaking. No contest for Trae.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Trae will have his poor shooting nights, but his impact is always there. The pressure he puts on the defense with his elite speed, handle, court vision, and decision making will always be a positive no matter if he's hot from the field or not.

I saw some plays he made last night that instantly made me think of bird and magic. His processing speed is off the charts.. he's 2 steps ahead

Trae is like nash/Paul/magic/Stockton but with much more scoring/takeover ability

Exactly. Trae has it all: passing of steve nash, scoring of jerry west, quickness of tony parker, crossovers of Irving.

Pretty much his only knock is he could be a little more consistent with that 3 point shot but he still makes them at a decent clip for his very high volume.

[Gohan]

Exactly. Trae has it all: passing of steve nash, scoring of jerry west, quickness of tony parker, crossovers of Irving.

Pretty much his only knock is he could be a little more consistent with that 3 point shot but he still makes them at a decent clip for his very high volume.

jumping on ashtrae's bandwagon cause you know kawhi gone next season. team hopping coward

[hold this L]

jumping on ashtrae's bandwagon cause you know kawhi gone next season. team hopping coward
He's quitting on the Clippers almost as fast as his hero did.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

jumping on ashtrae's bandwagon cause you know kawhi gone next season. team hopping coward


He's quitting on the Clippers almost as fast as his hero did.

It's ok to have a 2nd favorite. I still have Kawhi #1 and Trae at #2. Showing my loyalty to Kawhi.

Kawhi has already won 2 finals MVPS and ended two different dynasties. Trae is more interesting because he hasn't done it all at this point.

[Phoenix]

it's ok to have a 2nd favorite. I still have kawhi #1 and trae at #2. Showing my loyalty to kawhi.

Kawhi has already won 2 finals mvps and ended two different dynasties. Trae is more interesting because he hasn't done it all at this point.

vorp.

[Gohan]

vorp.

:roll::roll::roll:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

vorp.

Trae is already 3 wins away from the finals and Luka hasn't even won a home playoff game.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

:roll::roll::roll:

Fun fact: Trae Young in this playoff run has more VORP then Iverson did in his entire playoff career from 2004 all the way until his retirement.

I guess that's why Iverson got kicked out of the NBA and sent to the Turkish Basketball League hahahahaha

[Gohan]

Fun fact: Trae Young in this playoff run has more VORP then Iverson did in his entire playoff career from 2004 all the way until his retirement.

I guess that's why Iverson got kicked out of the NBA and sent to the Turkish Basketball League hahahahaha

2005 iverson was the best player in the league, kawhi or trae was never

[HBK_Kliq_2]

2005 iverson was the best player in the league, kawhi or trae was never

leading 76ers to an SRS of -1.07 which was 18th ranked

:roll::roll::roll:

Kawhi has led 7 different teams to a top 3 SRS and you're bragging about iverson leading 76ers to a 18th ranked SRS hahaahaha

[Gohan]

leading 76ers to an srs of -1.07 which was 18th ranked

:roll::roll::roll:

Kawhi has led 7 different teams to a top 3 srs and you're bragging about iverson leading 76ers to a 18th ranked srs hahaahaha

lmao at your stats....he was the best player in the league

[HBK_Kliq_2]

lmao at your stats....he was the best player in the league

Not even close. That's like saying Bradley Beal was the best player in the league this season.

[Gohan]

Not even close. That's like saying Bradley Beal was the best player in the league this season.

no more like saying it was curry. you can argue but it's the truth. curry is iverson, shaq is jokic

[PeroAntic]

Derrick Rose 2011 playoff run was at 50% TS

Trae is scoring 3-4 more PPG and is at 56% TS

He's not a better scorer. Also Trae is like 10x better playmaking. No contest for Trae.

Rose was 55% TS these playoffs and 59 with the Wolves two years ago. The game is different now, you got more spacing and rules that make it easier for guards. Atlanta gives you insane 3pt shooting and one of the best lob guys in the league in Capela if not the best. AND they defend, all of them (well except Trae, but he is savvy in covering his obvious deficiencies). The Bulls in 2011 were a great defensive team, but Rose's second option on offense was Carlos Boozer.

If Rose stays fit, he is giving this Hawks side easy 25/8 on better efficiency than Trae. His own evolution as a player with all the injuries really was combined with the evolution of the game. I agree Trae has better vision though. But how much is it really needed? Its hard to make the wrong decision too often with this kind of shooters and finishers.

[Gohan]

im not gonna like i would take 2011 rose over trae too

[Axe]

Rose was 55% TS these playoffs and 59 with the Wolves two years ago. The game is different now, you got more spacing and rules that make it easier for guards. Atlanta gives you insane 3pt shooting and one of the best lob guys in the league in Capela if not the best. AND they defend, all of them (well except Trae, but he is savvy in covering his obvious deficiencies). The Bulls in 2011 were a great defensive team, but Rose's second option on offense was Carlos Boozer.

If Rose stays fit, he is giving this Hawks side easy 25/8 on better efficiency than Trae. His own evolution as a player with all the injuries really was combined with the evolution of the game. I agree Trae has better vision though. But how much is it really needed? Its hard to make the wrong decision too often with this kind of shooters and finishers.
But he was never fit for a long time at all lmao

[Ice Trae]

Trae young has one of the most devastating floaters in the game.

He either floats it up for the score or a last second alley opp.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Rose was 55% TS these playoffs and 59 with the Wolves two years ago. The game is different now, you got more spacing and rules that make it easier for guards. Atlanta gives you insane 3pt shooting and one of the best lob guys in the league in Capela if not the best. AND they defend, all of them (well except Trae, but he is savvy in covering his obvious deficiencies). The Bulls in 2011 were a great defensive team, but Rose's second option on offense was Carlos Boozer.

If Rose stays fit, he is giving this Hawks side easy 25/8 on better efficiency than Trae. His own evolution as a player with all the injuries really was combined with the evolution of the game. I agree Trae has better vision though. But how much is it really needed? Its hard to make the wrong decision too often with this kind of shooters and finishers.

Rose was more of a 6th man this season though and didn't have that type of responsibility, still eliminated by trae despite having randle.

The only prime rose playoff run we can go by that has a big enough sample size is his east finals run and he barely even hit 50% TS.

As far as trae's teammates, his 2nd best player by advanced stats is a scrub Bogi. Also Capella is clogging up the damn lanes because he can't shoot and isn't giving trae any spacing. Then that redhead rick astley looking geek. His supporting cast sucks. They are a 1 man team, papa trae. I would say a good analogy is trae young is like will Smith on fresh prince of bel air and his teammates are a bunch of Carltons.

[Phoenix]

Trae is already 3 wins away from the finals and Luka hasn't even won a home playoff game.

But Vorp. Also Raptor.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

But Vorp. Also Raptor.

Trae leads his team in both of those and is in the east finals, while fat shit crybaby sits home and watches.

Trae Young has the best on\off RAPTOR of any eastern conference player that is left.

[tpols]

Offensively Trae is behind

Curry
Magic
Nash
Big O
Stockton
Price
Dame

This is an embarrassing thread. Going by today's numbers Donovan Mitchell = MJ.

[red1]

he's up there



already more iconic than curry in one playoff run

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Offensively Trae is behind

Curry
Magic
Nash
Big O
Stockton
Price
Dame

This is an embarrassing thread. Going by today's numbers Donovan Mitchell = MJ.

Sorry you feel that way. You are 1 of these 3

1) idiot who doesn't know anything about basketball

2) hates trae personally and refuses to judge him fairly

3) doesn't actually watch basketball and pretends to watch

[HBK_Kliq_2]

he's up there



already more iconic than curry in one playoff run

He moves around and passes like Steve Nash but has the speed of someone like tony parker. Scores like a jerry west.

Total package, never seen someone as smart and as good as trae and I've seen all the great point guards.

[tpols]

Sorry you feel that way. You are 1 of these 3

1) idiot who doesn't know anything about basketball

2) hates trae personally and refuses to judge him fairly

3) doesn't actually watch basketball and pretends to watch

I forgot Chris Paul. Rookie mistake on my part.

You better pray Trae doesnt make the Finals boy. Because if so you and your new found lover boy gon find out the hard way. Boy.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I forgot Chris Paul. Rookie mistake on my part.

You better pray Trae doesnt make the Finals boy. Because if so you and your new found lover boy gon find out the hard way. Boy.

Paul :roll: :roll: :roll:

The guy who has gotten outplayed by Cameron Payne in the west finals.

[ShawkFactory]

I forgot Chris Paul. Rookie mistake on my part.

You better pray Trae doesnt make the Finals boy. Because if so you and your new found lover boy gon find out the hard way. Boy.

Should the Hawks and Suns make the finals I expect both Trae and Paul to play very well.

Wouldn't be surprised if Trae was better individually.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Should the Hawks and Suns make the finals I expect both Trae and Paul to play very well.

Wouldn't be surprised if Trae was better individually.

Trae is 22 years old and already has had a better playoff run then any Paul run. Lets look at Paul's best:

2021 Chris Paul - plays like a role player in round 1 and averages 9 points on like 35% FG

2018 Paul - injured and wasn't the first option

2015 Paul - injured and failed to get past 2nd round

That's pretty embarrassing for Paul, i mean you're 35 years old dude. Trae already passing you up as a playoff virgin and 22 years old.

[Shooter]

Sorry you feel that way. You are 1 of these 3

1) idiot who doesn't know anything about basketball

2) hates trae personally and refuses to judge him fairly

3) doesn't actually watch basketball and pretends to watch

Yo Thurston why you ducking my question man?

What does your name Tpols stand for?

[Phoenix]

Trae leads his team in both of those and is in the east finals, while fat shit crybaby sits home and watches.

Trae Young has the best on\off RAPTOR of any eastern conference player that is left.

Fascinating. Now tell me more about Kawhi. I never tire of hearing you talk about him.

[tpols]

Should the Hawks and Suns make the finals I expect both Trae and Paul to play very well.

Wouldn't be surprised if Trae was better individually.

Well Paul is 36 years old. What's Trae? 2008 Chris Paul was in an entirely different dimension than current Trae and I watched both. You guys are underselling what having 4-5 point 3 pt spacing does for a QB type player.

In 2008 Peja Stojakovic took less 3s than Gianni takes today. Think about that. Paul's other options were David West, Tyson Chandler and Mo Pete. He was literally playing on a team with zero long range spacing and still dominated.

[ShawkFactory]

Well Paul is 36 years old. What's Trae? 2008 Chris Paul was in an entirely different dimension than current Trae and I watched both. You guys are underselling what having 4-5 point 3 pt spacing does for a QB type player.

In 2008 Peja Stojakovic took less 3s than Gianni takes today. Think about that. Paul's other options were David West, Tyson Chandler and Mo Pete. He was literally playing on a team with zero long range spacing and still dominated.

Well you said “we’re gonna find out” or some shit so I was assuming you were talking a out current Paul. Because 2008 Paul and Trae will never match up.

[Spurs m8]

Offensively Trae is behind

Curry
Magic
Nash
Big O
Stockton
Price
Dame

This is an embarrassing thread. Going by today's numbers Donovan Mitchell = MJ.

Nah bro....greatest EVER :roll:

[Axe]

Offensively Trae is behind

Curry
Magic
Nash
Big O
Stockton
Price
Dame

This is an embarrassing thread. Going by today's numbers Donovan Mitchell = MJ.
Sorry but no klay = no play for chef dingo, mister thurston.

[tpols]

Well you said “we’re gonna find out” or some shit so I was assuming you were talking a out current Paul. Because 2008 Paul and Trae will never match up.

That's the point though. You recognize 2008 Chris Paul is better and I say that current old Paul can still son. Regardless, if 2008 Paul is better what does that make Magic and UMVP Curry and top 15 all time Oscar? What does it make? It makes OP a dumbass.

[ShawkFactory]

That's the point though. You recognize 2008 Chris Paul is better and I say that current old Paul can still son. Regardless, if 2008 Paul is better what does that make Magic and UMVP Curry and top 15 all time Oscar? What does it make? It makes OP a dumbass.

Paul is legit as good as anyone ever though. He was more advanced at age 22 than Trae is. Or pretty much anyone ever.

Trae has progressively gotten better. He needs to be more consistent with his jumper and cut down on the bone-headed plays though. We’re seeing both negatives tonight.

But he’s young

[Spurs m8]

They could sure use the greatest EVER right now tbh :facepalm

[Carbine]

Did Magic ever have as bad a first half as this?

Trae either missed or turned it over leading to easy baskets the other way like every other possession in the second Q.

He's probably worth 20 of the teams 30 pt deficit.

[tpols]

Did Magic ever have as bad a first half as this?

Trae either missed or turned it over leading to easy baskets the other way like every other possession in the second Q.

He's probably worth 20 of the teams 30 pt deficit.

He shot 5-23 with 6 TOVs in game 7 vs Philly. Total joke of a thread. No star wins shooting and playing like that without great help.

[ShawkFactory]

He shot 5-23 with 6 TOVs in game 7 vs Philly. Total joke of a thread. No star wins shooting and playing like that without great help.

What’s constitutes great help? Is it the number of all stars? How great guys play on a game to game basis?

Is Trae a great elevator because his cast has played well?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Bogi is a gimp and can't run around for a curl screen and forces trae to turn it over.

2nd option has 6 points lol and magic gets hall of fame scorers like Kareem and James worthy

I think the only comparable supporting cast for magic Johnson was 1991 and he won 1 game against Jordan bulls. Trae young has won 1 game against giannis bucks already and is going back home.

[Carbine]

Embiid is a good example. On paper you'd say his team is better because they have the bigger names.

But when Harris is giving you negative worth production and Simmons did what he did....

Yeah you have to base it on game to game. I'd rather have Embiids supporting cast for an 82 game season but Embiid went home because his two other guys shit themselves in the big games. Moreso than any of the Hawks supporting members to Trae.

[tpols]

What’s constitutes great help? Is it the number of all stars? How great guys play on a game to game basis?

Is Trae a great elevator because his cast has played well?

What constitutes great is a player shooting 21% from the field with 6 turnovers and still winning because his best help shot 83%, 75%, and 56% from the floor.

Any decent point guard would win with that help. Kemba could win with that.

[Ice Trae]

They could sure use the greatest EVER right now tbh :facepalm

nah gotta let the bucks fans / trae haters have their fun. We'll just take game 3 and 4 at home

[Spurs m8]

nah gotta let the bucks fans / trae haters have their fun. We'll just take game 3 and 4 at home

Yeah it ain't over...just one of those nights

[Bronbron23]

Trae would struggle a bit in previous more physical era's. U can see how harder it is for him to score and playmake when defenders can be physical. He'd still be nice obviously but he wouldn't be doing what he's been doing.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He's coming off arguably the greatest playoff game in NBA history and only had one rest day, the entire playoffs he only gets one rest day and is carrying his team. This was just a fatigue game but it shows you how gutless the team is without trae.

[Bronbron23]

He's coming off arguably the greatest playoff game in NBA history and only had one rest day, the entire playoffs he only gets one rest day and is carrying his team. This was just a fatigue game but it shows you how gutless the team is without trae.

Without trae? They were worse with him on the floor bruh wtf are u watching?

[Ice Trae]

Without trae? They were worse with him on the floor bruh wtf are u watching?

I know what we WEREN'T watching and that's LeBron in the playoffs :oldlol:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Peak offense

Magic
Oscar
Nash/CP3
Penny
Trae
Steph
Dame
Price
Zeke
Stockton
Arenas
Rose
Frazier
KJ
Parker
DWill

Still this.

Let's not overreact now. Trae ain't on Magic, Oscar, Nash, CP3 or Penny level on peak offense but he's still better than Steph.

His shot was broke in game 7 and he still came up clutch and he's probably the best passer in the league.

[Bronbron23]

I know what we WEREN'T watching and that's LeBron in the playoffs :oldlol:

Can't win em all. Plus bron has never played this bad. As good as trae was in game 1 he was as bad in this game. I don't know if a player of traes caliber has ever had a game worse than this. 15 pts on 37% and 3 assists on 9 turnovers. And as usual pretty shit defense. Dosn't get much worse than that.

And i like trae dude but it just is what it is.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Can't win em all. Plus bron has never played this bad. As good as trae was in game 1 he was as bad in this game. I don't know if a player of traes caliber has ever had a game worse than this. 15 pts on 37% and 3 assists on 9 turnovers. And as usual pretty shit defense. Dosn't get much worse than that.

And i like trae dude but it just is what it is.

Bran never played this bad? You sure babyboi?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200805060BOS.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005110CLE.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200706070SAS.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201106070DAL.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405280IND.html

3 of those games were only 3-4pt games despite all time bad performances from Bran.

[TheCorporation]

Stephen Curty is, quite obviously. Let's not get too caught up in the new flavor of the month.

[Bronbron23]

Bran never played this bad? You sure babyboi?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200805060BOS.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005110CLE.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200706070SAS.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201106070DAL.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405280IND.html

3 of those games were only 3-4pt games despite all time bad performances from Bran.

Offensively a couple of those were as bad or worse than traes. Offense is only half the game though and bron is a way better defender than trae so even when he has a bad offensive game like trae today he still has way more impact on the other half of the game.

If were talking just offense than yes bron has had a few as bad as traes today

[CountDracula]

“You ain’t built for this son(Lil Baby Trae Young), give that baby back his bottle!”

-Tim “Colt 45” Hardaway

https://i.ibb.co/L8WQrLj/B41-B5-E01-981-F-4-F98-AF33-F94-A6-C246-E85.jpg (https://ibb.co/drqbtdC)

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[Carbine]

He's coming off arguably the greatest playoff game in NBA history and only had one rest day, the entire playoffs he only gets one rest day and is carrying his team. This was just a fatigue game but it shows you how gutless the team is without trae.

Greatest playoff game? What? Are you 1 year old?

[Phoenix]

Greatest playoff game? What? Are you 1 year old?

No he's Jeff saying stupid shit so you can say what you said, and he'll reply with more dumb shit, and you'll reply to that and ...boom, server maintainance fees for today are covered. Why do you think he wasnt banned last year when he lied about leaving the forum if the Clips lost? You can't be banned when you're the man behind the curtain.

https://media.tenor.com/images/faa29b83e2ec0aba077cd88cc53e3e03/tenor.gif

[Ice Trae]

Can't win em all. Plus bron has never played this bad. As good as trae was in game 1 he was as bad in this game. I don't know if a player of traes caliber has ever had a game worse than this. 15 pts on 37% and 3 assists on 9 turnovers. And as usual pretty shit defense. Dosn't get much worse than that.

And i like trae dude but it just is what it is.

indeed you can't win them all. Bron hasn't posted those stats because he's a stat padder and as soon as he feels he's going to lose he just stops playing like the quitter that he is.

He wishes he had that ALPHA mentality that Trae has where he does not give a fvck about the media fans or what anyone thinks. :applause:

[Nashty]

Idk about that, but he is better than Steph, but then again Steph is not in top 100.

[tontoz]

For the record Steph had an Ortg of 113 in his first postseason.

Trae's ORTG so far in this year's playoffs is 113.

[Bronbron23]

indeed you can't win them all. Bron hasn't posted those stats because he's a stat padder and as soon as he feels he's going to lose he just stops playing like the quitter that he is.

He wishes he had that ALPHA mentality that Trae has where he does not give a fvck about the media fans or what anyone thinks. :applause:

Don't really disagree with most of that but brons defense is way better and defense is half the battle. I do like trae's mentality and confidence though. He has that old school flex. Probably one of the best personalities in the game right now even though it probably annoys mosr people. Reminds me a bit of reggie

[tontoz]

Defense really isn't half the game, especially in this era when defense is so hard to play. Great offense beats great defense. An elite offensive player has a lot more value than an elite defender.

Look what happened to DPOY gobert against the clippers. He got worked.

Look at what Luka has done to the clippers in the playoffs the last two years. Kawhi and PG13 are great defenders but they can't handle him.

[j3lademaster]

Defense really isn't half the game, especially in this era when defense is so hard to play. Great offense beats great defense. An elite offensive player has a lot more value than an elite defender.

Look what happened to DPOY gobert against the clippers. He got worked.

Look at what Luka has done to the clippers in the playoffs the last two years. Kawhi and PG13 are great defenders but they can't handle him.100% for star guards. I think it’s a bigger emphasis now for roleplayers. Instead of picking the better basketball player gm’s just want guys who can reasonably defend and shoot the 3, and for good reason.

[CountDracula]

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[SATAN]

No he's Jeff saying stupid shit so you can say what you said, and he'll reply with more dumb shit, and you'll reply to that and ...boom, server maintainance fees for today are covered. Why do you think he wasnt banned last year when he lied about leaving the forum if the Clips lost? You can't be banned when you're the man behind the curtain.

https://media.tenor.com/images/faa29b83e2ec0aba077cd88cc53e3e03/tenor.gif

I did wonder if 3balless and the Kawhit alts were the same person a while back. It's an extremely bad look for his own business. Kinda weird.

[Bronbron23]

Defense really isn't half the game, especially in this era when defense is so hard to play. Great offense beats great defense. An elite offensive player has a lot more value than an elite defender.

Look what happened to DPOY gobert against the clippers. He got worked.

Look at what Luka has done to the clippers in the playoffs the last two years. Kawhi and PG13 are great defenders but they can't handle him.

Ok it may not be exactly half the game but it's pretty close. Even if you wanna say it's 60/40 it's still a huge part of the game. Just look at almost every nba champion ever. Almost all of them had top defenses. Trae like luka plays a very ball dominant style so they're both gonna put up insane stats because the ball is in their hands almost all the time. Ball dominant systems like these are great for individual stats but not necessarily for winning. This will be one of the reasons why trae will probably never win a ring. The other is of course his defense. Small superstars who can't defend in general don't win championships. So trae will have a great individual career as far as stats go but he'll never be a winner.

And i like trae alot but it just is what it is.

[tpols]

For the record Steph had an Ortg of 113 in his first postseason.

Trae's ORTG so far in this year's playoffs is 113.

It was 100 in the ECFs with a 123 DRTG, and owned by Jrue Holiday ~ 22/10 on 117 ORTG.

And they won the game he didn't play. Talk about a thread backfire. :oldlol:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He's anchoring the #1 offense in the league this season and had dumbass deandre hunter ruining things for half the year. No stars on his team.

Damn I have an eye for talent. Trae is Steve Nash if he was a volume scorer.

[000]

He's anchoring the #1 offense in the league this season and had dumbass deandre hunter ruining things for half the year. No stars on his team.

Damn I have an eye for talent. Trae is Steve Nash if he was a volume scorer.
Check nba.com

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Check nba.com

Off Rtg: 114.1 (1st of 30)

Everybody knows basketball reference is what you check for these things.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ATL/2022.html

[000]

Off Rtg: 114.1 (1st of 30)

Everybody knows basketball reference is what you check for these things.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ATL/2022.html
"everybody" Check the actual NBA site, casual.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

"everybody" Check the actual NBA site, casual.

You got things twisted like usual.

Bball reference is always accurate.

Nba.com is what casuals read and has been known to have a lot of errors

[000]

You got things twisted like usual.

Bball reference is always accurate.

Nba.com is what casuals read and has been known to have a lot of errors

K, let's let use Bball ref possession stats like dummies

Utah Jazz #1 ortg
GSW #2 ortg
Hawks #3 ortg

Warriors 0.4 away, Hawks 1.0 away.

Nice.

[expansionera]

No. It's still Magic Johnson.

Scoring is a part of offense

[CountDracula]

“This is a tomb. Trae is in there.”
-Det. Lester Freamon

https://i.ibb.co/tCtpnHW/96-B93258-8-C8-B-48-F9-8508-4-C0-F4-E5090-AD.jpg (https://ibb.co/6sx0Gyf)

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[Foster5k]

Sounds like the GOAT offensive point guard to me. Carrying bums to the conference finals

:biggums:

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

:biggums:

carrying bums to the finals is still true despite his bad performance this season.

he didn't get as exposed on defense as much as jokic did so i would say it was about an equal performance to jokic, both lost 1-4

[hold this L]

carrying bums to the finals is still true despite his bad performance this season.

he didn't get as exposed on defense as much as jokic did so i would say it was about an equal performance to jokic, both lost 1-4
You're a special kind of dumb. Not a wonder that the guy you big up as the best offensive player in his position literally had one of the worst, if not the worst performance ever by an all star one year later. :lol

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

You're a special kind of dumb. Not a wonder that the guy you big up as the best offensive player in his position literally had one of the worst, if not the worst performance ever by an all star one year later. :lol

At 22 years old trae was averaging 29/10 and leading his team to the conference finals

Curry at that age wasn't even in the playoffs and averaging 14 points

[Phoenix]

No.

[hold this L]

At 22 years old trae was averaging 29/10 and leading his team to the conference finals

Curry at that age wasn't even in the playoffs and averaging 14 points
Yes mouth breather, but that doesn't change the fact that you made a topic stating he's the best offensive PG in NBA history.

[Mr. Woke]

He went through a shooting slump at an inconvenient time. That happens to every great player every now and then.

The Hawks need to give him a better supporting cast.

[CountDracula]

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