Should Ben Simmons just reinvent himself as Dennis Rodman?

[iamgine]

And just be SF/PF/C whatever the team needs him to be?

Guy is 6'11 240lbs. Already taller and heavier than Rodman. Simmons is also one of the best defender in the league. Just need to maybe bulk up a bit to play this role.

Lessen the ballhandling/playmaking and focus more on defense/rebound/rim protection/outlet passes.

[elementally morale]

I wrote this in the other thread so I agree. He could be a much improved Rodman though. My only problem with Ben playing the Rodman role is that you need fire inside you for that. Even anger. An Simmons as of now looks like someone not really giving a damn. If anything, therapy should make him angry.


Ben Simmons seems to be someone who doesn't like to play basketball. He plays because he is very tall and a good athlete thus better suited for the game than 99.998% of the population. But he doesn't really like the game. He likes to play... defense. Ruinig others' games. Not offense... when he is the one that plays. He doesn't like it. I think he doesn't even like the basketball.

Most players want to have the ball. Even if they don't end up shooting it they want their touches. Ben does not. Whenever he gets the ball he wants to get rid of it. He would be perfectly fine with him no touching the ball for 48 minutes while playing all 48 minutes. He is not an a player you can count on on offense and he never will be. Some say it's mental, I say it is who he is. Not a problem... unless someone wants to make him be or become something he is not.

He is overpaid, yes. But it's water under the bridge. Still a very good player but you all should forget him for offense. No, he shouldn't play PG. A pont guard needs aggression to play the position. Doesn't have to be a good shooter. Young Jason Kidd wasn't a good shooter either. But he wanted to attack and wanted to have te ball in his hands. Ben Simmons plays hot potato like Rodman. Yes, he is a good passer but his lack of aggression makes him a bad choice at PG. He should play SF or even PF. Grab a few offensive rebounds and get some nice assists from the post. Learn a post move or two. Then run back and defend. Do what you are good at.

Having him shoot more won't make him any better. He will always be a below average shooter. Not his role. His problem is not that he is bad. he is good. But he is misused bi time. He is not a PG. Good passer, yes. So was Valde Divac. Still no PG.

He will never become what e thought he would be. Regardless, he can be an essential player on championship teams. So was Rodman or Ben Wallace. Without shooting. As soon as Ben doesn't have to play a role he cannot he will become valuable. Being forced to play the way he is is not capable of he is not helping the team.

Good player. Not a good fit next to Embiid. Shouldn't shoot more. Even via huge effort you can't change him into something he is not. Nor should you.

Get him in the post. Make him learn another post move beside his hook shot. Let him grab offensive rebounds. Make him play defense. He never gets tired. He could be very good. Not MVP caliber good the All NBA 2nd team good. But not as a PG.

[Jasper]

Rivers says after 30million spent this year they will look into it.... cough

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31681488/philadelphia-76ers-plan-address-ben-simmons-shooting-woes-doc-rivers-says



and doc can save his job...

[SouBeachTalents]

Trade him for CJ McCollum, he can be the Dray to Dame's Curry

[FireDavidKahn]

He isn't capable of doing what Rodman did. Not many people in history could

[rawimpact]

Dennis Rodman will get his rebounds, but he would be nowhere near the same player he was.

He played off of physicality which is not there today. Additionally, as a defender, the center position is not the same... it's stretched. His responsibilities would be guarding at the perimeter as well. There are a few exceptions (Embiid, Ayton etc.) but generally speaking the game has evolved and much of skillset would be offset.

[90sgoat]

It would be cool to see someone try.

[3ba11]

Pippen averaged 15.7 on 40% in the 96' and 98' Finals, so Pippen = Ben Simmons

Heck, Jordan won 6 titles with Ben Simmons because Pippen averaged 19.0 on 42% for his Finals career (6 Finals).

And what about defense? A bad scorer that plays good defense is called DEFENSIVE ROLE PLAYER - that's what Pippen and Simmons are

[SATAN]

And just be SF/PF/C whatever the team needs him to be?

Guy is 6'11 240lbs. Already taller and heavier than Rodman. Simmons is also one of the best defender in the league. Just need to maybe bulk up a bit to play this role.

Lessen the ballhandling/playmaking and focus more on defense/rebound/rim protection/outlet passes.

He's closer to being Michael Jordan than Dennis Rodman when you think about it

[BlakFrankWhite]

Rodman never got a $177 million contract or whatever the equivalent to it was in the 90s.

[3ba11]

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Simmons..... 16/8/8... 56%... 19.8 PER... 0.156 WS/58
Pippen'........ 16/6/5... 47%... 18.6 PER... 0.146 WS/48


A bad scorer that plays good defense is called DEFENSIVE ROLE PLAYER - that's what Pippen and Simmons are - Pippen averaged 15.7 on 40% in 2 Finals, and 19.0 on 42% for his Finals career.

Simmons is actually a much better passer and rebounder, with equal scoring.. the only difference is that he didn't have MJ to emulate and light that fire under him

[jayfan]

Dennis Rodman will get his rebounds, but he would be nowhere near the same player he was.

He played off of physicality which is not there today. Additionally, as a defender, the center position is not the same... it's stretched. His responsibilities would be guarding at the perimeter as well. There are a few exceptions (Embiid, Ayton etc.) but generally speaking the game has evolved and much of skillset would be offset.


Hold on.....


Are you suggesting that Dennis Rodman would have trouble guarding the perimeter?

Did you never see him play as a Piston? (obviously not)

He was a goat level perimeter defender.



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[3ba11]

Why stress scoring so much?

There's nothing wrong with Ben Simmons - he's a phenomenal defender and passer - that makes up for his weak scoring, smh...

Scoring is the ONLY thing Simmons is bad at, so leave him alone.. scoring isn't important and his defense and assists makes up for it



^^^^ dumb lebron fan talking about pippen... :yaohappy:

[warriorfan]

Trade him for CJ McCollum, he can be the Dray to Dame's Curry

Dame doesn’t have the same ability to pass out of traps as well as the offball game Curry has. Could be interesting though.