Pippen = Ben Simmons (15.7 on 40% in 2 Finals.. 19.0 on 42% for Finals career)

[3ba11]

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Simmons..... 16/8/8... 56%... 19.8 PER
Pippen'........ 16/6/5... 47%... 18.6 PER


A bad scorer that plays good defense is called DEFENSIVE ROLE PLAYER - that's what Pippen and Simmons are

Simmons is actually a much better passer and rebounder, with equal scoring.. the only difference is that he didn't have MJ to emulate and light that fire under him

[rawimpact]

imagine being so big of a loser, you opt to spend your time pretending to be a another troll

[3ba11]

imagine being so big of a loser, you opt to spend your time pretending to be a another troll


Not pretending - see the screen name - I don't have access to the real 3ball account anymore because my things (cell, computer, etc) got stolen.. apparently you can't access old email accounts without the cell phone verification

[SATAN]

imagine being so big of a loser, you opt to spend your time pretending to be a another troll

:roll:

Pippen is one of the greats. He's not MJ but he had a very good run. Ben Simmons is a nobody in comparison.

[Smoke117]

imagine being so big of a loser, you opt to spend your time pretending to be a another troll

This.

[3ba11]

:roll:

Pippen is one of the greats. He's not MJ but he had a very good run. Ben Simmons is a nobody in comparison.


Simmons is ONLY knocked for scoring

That's the same as Pippen - a bad scorer that plays good defense is called DEFENSIVE ROLE PLAYER - that's what Pippen and Simmons are

[SATAN]

I'm not going to even waste time on this one, sorry.

Terrible thread.

[3ba11]

I'm not going to even waste time on this one, sorry.

Terrible thread.


CAREER

Simmons..... 16/8/8... 56%... 19.8 PER
Pippen'........ 16/6/5... 47%... 18.6 PER


Simmons is far better than Pippen

[SATAN]

No.

[8Ball]

Not pretending - see the screen name - imagine being so big of a loser that your posts make no sense

:roll: The irony

[3ba11]

:roll: The irony


Simmons is a much better passer and rebounder, with equal scoring:

Simmons..... 16/8/8... 56%... 19.8 PER
Pippen'........ 16/6/5... 47%... 18.6 PER

[3ba11]

Simmons is a much better passer and rebounder, with equal scoring:



Simmons..... 16/8/8... 56%... 19.8 PER
Pippen'........ 16/6/5... 47%... 18.6 PER


A bad scorer that plays good defense is called DEFENSIVE ROLE PLAYER - that's what Pippen and Simmons are





https://media.giphy.com/media/5fj814bmdspTmfBuJa/giphy.gif

[Shooter]

:roll: The irony

:roll::roll:

[8Ball]

Not pretending - see the screen name - imagine being so big of a loser that your posts make no sense

Still applies :applause:

[hateraid]

Pippen hit free throws

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[Shooter]

Imagine making an alt just to make this thread

[3ba11]

Imagine making an alt just to make this thread


You can run but you can't hide from the reality that Jordan won 6 chips with a lower producer than Pippen:



Simmons..... 16/8/8... 56%... 19.8 PER... 0.156 WS/58... 3.7 BPM
Pippen'........ 16/6/5... 47%... 18.6 PER... 0.146 WS/48... 4.1 BPM


A bad scorer that plays good defense is called DEFENSIVE ROLE PLAYER - that's what Pippen and Simmons are - Pippen averaged 15.7 on 40% in 2 Finals, and 19.0 on 42% for his Finals career.

Simmons is actually a much better passer and rebounder, with equal scoring.. the only difference is that he didn't have MJ to emulate and light that fire under him

[Shooter]

You can run but you can't hide from the reality that Jordan won 6 chips with a lower producer than Pippen:



Simmons..... 16/8/8... 56%... 19.8 PER... 0.156 WS/58... 3.7 BPM
Pippen'........ 16/6/5... 47%... 18.6 PER... 0.146 WS/48... 4.1 BPM


A bad scorer that plays good defense is called DEFENSIVE ROLE PLAYER - that's what Pippen and Simmons are - Pippen averaged 15.7 on 40% in 2 Finals, and 19.0 on 42% for his Finals career.

Simmons is actually a much better passer and rebounder, with equal scoring.. the only difference is that he didn't have MJ to emulate and light that fire under him

Why did Pippen outscore his Finals opposition 5 of 6 times? And he even outscored the opposition's #1 option once.

Weak era? :pimp:

[AirBonner]

Pippen was bigger than MJ. Madonna needed bigger and Pippen provided

[Shooter]

Scottie Pippen's averages from the 1991, 1992 and 1993 Finals combined:

21 points
9 rebounds
7 assists
2 steals
1 block
46%

Incredible.

21-9-7-2-1 on 46% for three straight Finals?...With elite defense? (Having a lower DRtg than Jordan each series)

MJ had Kawhi as a #2 option. What a lucky guy.

[3ba11]

Why did Pippen outscore his Finals opposition 5 of 6 times? And he even outscored the opposition's #1 option once.

Weak era? :pimp:


Champions typically have the 2nd option outscore the 1st option (11', 13', 16'), or they can lead the entire NBA in playoff scoring (20'), so Pippen barely equaling the 2nd option is nothing..

And Jordan had to win chips with Pippen getting destroyed by the 3rd option or averaging 15.7 on 40% - only Jordan had to win with that.

Ultimately, Pippen shot like Iverson, accept with half the scoring - he's a weaker passing and rebounding Ben Simmons

[Shooter]

Champions typically have the 2nd option outscore the 1st option (11', 13', 16'), or they can lead the entire NBA in playoff scoring (20'), so Pippen barely equaling the 2nd option is nothing..

And Jordan had to win chips with Pippen getting destroyed by the 3rd option or averaging 15.7 on 40% - only Jordan had to win with that.

Ultimately, Pippen shot like Iverson, accept with half the scoring - he's a weaker passing and rebounding Ben Simmons

Why did Pippen outscore his Finals opposition 5 of 6 times? And he even outscored the opposition's #1 option once.

Weak era? :pimp:

[MadDog]

Pippen was a better freethrow shooter, and had several years he was decent from three. Not a bad comparison though. Both are good defenders and playmakers. Both of them also rely/relied heavy on physical attributes. Under Jordan's tutelage, Ben probably becomes a better scorer. But would definitely have a stronger mindset.

[Shooter]

Pippen was a better freethrow shooter, and had several years he was decent from three. Not a bad comparison though. Both are good defenders and playmakers. Both of them also relied heavy on physical attributes. Under Jordan's tutelage, Ben probably becomes a better scorer. But would definitely have a stronger mindset.

3ball,

Let's not forget that MJ was the loser at 1-9 and under Pippen's tutelage he became a winner.

[Gohan]

Champions typically have the 2nd option outscore the 1st option (11', 13', 16'), or they can lead the entire NBA in playoff scoring (20'), so Pippen barely equaling the 2nd option is nothing..

And Jordan had to win chips with Pippen getting destroyed by the 3rd option or averaging 15.7 on 40% - only Jordan had to win with that.

Ultimately, Pippen shot like Iverson, accept with half the scoring - he's a weaker passing and rebounding Ben Simmons

yea but pippen had someone to take pressure off of him unlike iverson

[3ba11]

Pippen was a better freethrow shooter, and had several years he was decent from three. Not a bad comparison though. Both are good defenders and playmakers. Both of them also rely/relied heavy on physical attributes. Under Jordan's tutelage, Ben probably becomes a better scorer. But would definitely have a stronger mindset.



Pippen

96' Finals.... 15.7 on 34%
97' Finals.... 20.0 on 42%
98' Finals.... 15.7 on 41%

96-98' Playoffs.... 17.6 on 41%


^^^ Jordan three-peated with a cast of defensive role players like ben simmons - that's better than Lebron needing super-teams and juggernaut 1b sidekicks to take over a series

[3ba11]

Why aren't people saying that Simmons' defense and passing makes up for his scoring - isn't that what they say about Pippen?

Why do people always make a big deal about scoring? Don't people know that scoring isn't everything and having a sidekick that can't score isn't a big deal?.. Why can't Simmons get a pass like Pippen did?

[97 bulls]

Why aren't people saying that Simmons' defense and passing makes up for his scoring - isn't that what they say about Pippen?

Why do people always make a big deal about scoring? Don't people know that scoring isn't everything and having a sidekick that can't score isn't a big deal?.. Why can't Simmons get a pass like Pippen did?

What effect did Simmons actually have on defense? Not to mention he shot 30% from the FT. The Hawks were INTENTIONALLY fouling him. Simmons problem is he didnt shoot the ball unless he has a wide open dunk. But other than that, he didn't look to score.

[Phoenix]

Not pretending - see the screen name - I don't have access to the real 3ball account anymore because my things (cell, computer, etc) got stolen.. apparently you can't access old email accounts without the cell phone verification

1-9

[000]

1-9
2011

[Kblaze8855]

Pippen got at high as the 8th leading scorer in the league. 8-14 today? Zion, Kyrie, Tatum, Mitchell, Booker, Jokic and Trae Young. Apparently it’s harder to score 27 a game when games end 83-90 instead of 146-129.

A 90s 20 was a lot more significant than 2021. Jordan having one as a second option was way more than most got. I don’t think Hakeem had a full season 20ppg teammate after Ralph Sampson his rookie year and he played for like 18 years. I don’t think Ewing did either unless you count like 10 games with Bernard King. I don’t think Thurl Bailey or Hornacek ever did 20 with Malone. Nique didn’t have one. Mitch Richmond sure didn’t. Reggie wouldn’t have between Perskn and I suppose Jalen and then JO at the end of Reggies career. 20 in the 90s was unusual as hell out of a second option. It’s not at all unusual now.

I’m sure Pippen would score exactly the same though. No paint clogging bigs, every team running, defenses going to the 3 point line in transition, and everyone having the ultimate green light would help the scoring of everyone except Jordan’s teammates.

Not that this should even have been clicked by anyone.

[Ne 1]

Pippen's scoring in finals, was more than
*Tony Parker,
*John Stockton
* Manu Ginobili,
*Pau Gasol and Kevin Love

....yet all these players are referred to as help/stars/superstars!!

Somehow - Pippen gets attacked and gets called a role player, despite scoring more PPG in finals, than all of those players!! - something ain't right!

[Phoenix]

2011

I'm not a Lebron stan so that means sweet f*uck all to me.

[3ba11]

Pippen's peak was 22 ppg and 2nd round loss

a top 1000 peak matched by bums like Larry Hughes and surely Ben Simmons at some point

once the 3-peat luster was gone, 95' Pippen had a .500 ballclub before MJ carried him to 13-4 and another 3-peat in his first full seasons back.

Ultimately, players that are weak scorers but play good defense are called defensive role players, like Simmons or Pippen

Jordan actually 3-peated from 96-98' with a team of defensive role players (pippen averaged 17.6 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs, including 15.7 on 40% in 2 finals, aka BEN SIMMONS)

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs

Pippen is a Ben Simmons or Draymond Green-caliber player

All three failed their 2nd option scoring role - no amount of defense or 5 APG can make up for 17 on 41% playoff runs and many 15 on 34% series.

[SouBeachTalents]

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Thread Cliffs

Pippen is a Ben Simmons or Draymond Green-caliber player

All three failed their 2nd option scoring role - no amount of defense or 5 APG can make up for 17 on 41% playoff runs and many 15 on 34% series.
That Ben Simmons caliber player outscored Magic Johnson in the Finals

[Axe]

Remember guys. Op also used to consider giannis as a pippen-caliber type of player. :rolleyes:

[RogueBorg]

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Simmons..... 16/8/8... 56%... 19.8 PER
Pippen'........ 16/6/5... 47%... 18.6 PER


A bad scorer that plays good defense is called DEFENSIVE ROLE PLAYER - that's what Pippen and Simmons are

Simmons is actually a much better passer and rebounder, with equal scoring.. the only difference is that he didn't have MJ to emulate and light that fire under him

You guys don't like it but is 3ball wrong?

[ShawkFactory]

You guys don't like it but is 3ball wrong?

Refer to Kblaze's post. I don't feel like typing what would basically amount to the same thing.

[Wally450]

OP just posts similar players numbers to state that player A is better than player B. Way to go kid. :oldlol: :facepalm

[ralph_i_el]

:facepalm

How does the defense react to Ben Simmons on the weak side vs. Pippen on the weak side.

[ralph_i_el]

You guys don't like it but is 3ball wrong?

yes. Pippen scored way more than Ben on a per-100 possession basis, in a more defensive era. Plus, Ben absolutely falls apart in the playoffs.

[Bronbron23]

yes. Pippen scored way more than Ben on a per-100 possession basis, in a more defensive era. Plus, Ben absolutely falls apart in the playoffs.

Pip fell apart alot also though. He gave up because of a headache once. From 96-98 he was terrible offensively almost always in the post season. He was better than simmons defensively but simmons is a better passer. Rebounds are about the same. I'd go with prime pip over ben but not sure about 96-98 pip.

[Vino24]

Pip fell apart alot also though. He gave up because of a headache once. From 96-98 he was terrible offensively almost always in the post season. He was better than simmons defensively but simmons is a better passer. Rebounds are about the same. I'd go with prime pip over ben but not sure about 96-98 pip.

Even that Pip is much better. Did they dare Pip to shoot wide open 3’s?

[Bronbron23]

:facepalm

How does the defense react to Ben Simmons on the weak side vs. Pippen on the weak side.

Weak side defenses didn't really worry about either player. Pip was a threat in the open court but in the half court physical slowed down 90's pip didn't have the first step and skill set to be a major threat. It's the same for Simmons now

[ShawkFactory]

Weak side defenses didn't really worry about either player. Pip was a threat in the open court but in the half court physical slowed down 90's pip didn't have the first step and skill set to be a major threat. It's the same for Simmons now

Simmons just scored like 9 points a game in a 7 game playoff series...without being banged up or anything.

[RRR3]

Simmons just scored like 9 points a game in a 7 game playoff series...without being banged up or anything.
You’ll have to forgive Dumbdumb23, he’s disabled.

[ralph_i_el]

Pip fell apart alot also though. He gave up because of a headache once. From 96-98 he was terrible offensively almost always in the post season. He was better than simmons defensively but simmons is a better passer. Rebounds are about the same. I'd go with prime pip over ben but not sure about 96-98 pip.

Migraines are real, and they are debilitating. I have sympathy for that.

Ben is a net-negative player in the playoffs. He literally hurts the 76er's when he's on the floor. Without the ball in his hands, he is ignored. **** his individual stats. Think of all the possessions that get ****ed up because of his bad impact on spacing. His existence steals opportunities from his teammates, because he has to handle the ball all the time or he's useless. On a max deal, I wouldn't want him on my team at all. The bad playoff performances are consistent throughout his career. The Celtics held him to 1 point in a playoff game. He can't shoot freethrows and he doesn't finish with his weak hand....so you guard his strong hand and foul the shit out of him anywhere near the basket....so now he's scared to go to the hoop and he is USELESS.

I've been of this opinion for a while. Folks are starting to catch on.

Replace Pip with Ben Simmons and MJ probably leaves the Bulls.

[000]

I wonder if ben simmons will be a top 10 ppg mvp candidate when the sixers dump him?

[Ne 1]

Pippen was never was asked to be a volume scorer, just facilitate, make buckets and get stops when needed. And unlike Simmons wasn’t literally scared to shoot or passed up a open dunk because he was scared to go to the FT line..Ben is literally scared to shoot, Pippen didn’t have to be a high scorer just be there to get buckets when needed.

[jamesmax1991]

Simmons to the SPURS!! PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN!


https://youtu.be/kXtFSUfwh2k