Politics of vaccines?

[oldtimer28]

What are the political issues with the vaccines?

Seems both left and right are pro vaccine equally?

Do covid vaccines stop the spread or just reduce the severity of the symptoms?

Have seached the web and unsure who to trust.

Usual media say, yes get a vaccine.

Some say it *might limit the spread.

Anyone research this? What do you think and how do you know?

Thanks

[Loco 50]

Won't find a better site than this.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-epidemiology-virology-and-prevention#H2081320908

Scroll down the column on the left for the answers to your questions.

[SATAN]

No need for deadly covid vaccines when you can simply pump disinfectant into your veins and put sun light under your skin.

[BigKobeFan]

Hydroxychloroquine works

[diamenz]

Hydroxychloroquine works

99.9% survival rate bruh.

[Axe]

Hydroxychloroquine works
Ever heard of ivermectin? They say that also works too.

[oldtimer28]

Won't find a better site than this.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-epidemiology-virology-and-prevention#H2081320908

Scroll down the column on the left for the answers to your questions.

Oh my.

Warning. This is a left biased site.

Thanks for trying but it is appalling if you cannot see through the deficiencies with that site. I might refer to it and the Washington Post...

[Cleverness]

What are the political issues with the vaccines?

Seems both left and right are pro vaccine equally?

Do covid vaccines stop the spread or just reduce the severity of the symptoms?

Have seached the web and unsure who to trust.

Usual media say, yes get a vaccine.

Some say it *might limit the spread.

Anyone research this? What do you think and how do you know?

Thanks

The political issues are

- where does the federal govt get its authority to approve, purchase, distribute, and administer vaccines?
- in which circumstances (if any) should vaccines be required?

-left/right... the left controls the media & gov't... there's no real debate to challenge any of the official narratives they put out. think about it... how many times have you seen any mainstream outlet have debates on Covid-19 policy? It's been 15+ months... when has anyone on TV argued to end Trump's travel bans, for instance?

I think there's enough data to show vaccines help reduce severity of symptoms, but "stopping the spread" is an idea that should have been thrown away March 2020.

Also, no correlation with higher vaccination rates reducing the prevalence of Covid-19 in the US.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0POolKUYAUMj26.jpg

Wow.

No positive correlation between # vaccinated and Covid prevalence across states so far.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14310117&viewfull=1#post14310117


IMO:

The point of the vaccine should be to protect yourself from having serious complications from Covid-19, but only the individual can decide for themselves if that is something worth the costs. The vaccine coercion happening now is absurd.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493603-Study-Trump-Miracle-Vaccine-Shown-Highly-Effective

[SATAN]

Totally a leftist conspiracy.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/bills-news-cole-beasley-defiantly-explains-why-he-wont-get-vaccinated.jpg

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://twitter.com/Bease11/status/1405971914607239172

[oldtimer28]

The political issues are

- where does the federal govt get its authority to approve, purchase, distribute, and administer vaccines?
- in which circumstances (if any) should vaccines be required?

-left/right... the left controls the media & gov't... there's no real debate to challenge any of the official narratives they put out. think about it... how many times have you seen any mainstream outlet have debates on Covid-19 policy? It's been 15+ months... when has anyone on TV argued to end Trump's travel bans, for instance?

I think there's enough data to show vaccines help reduce severity of symptoms, but "stopping the spread" is an idea that should have been thrown away March 2020.

Also, no correlation with higher vaccination rates reducing the prevalence of Covid-19 in the US.



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14310117&viewfull=1#post14310117


IMO:

The point of the vaccine should be to protect yourself from having serious complications from Covid-19, but only the individual can decide for themselves if that is something worth the costs. The vaccine coercion happening now is absurd.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493603-Study-Trump-Miracle-Vaccine-Shown-Highly-Effective

Thank you. Awesome post!

Ps to anyone reading yes this response is probably right wing but note directness. No hiding behind a link to a site that just propogates left propaganda.

Again, not judging right or wrong. That is up to each individual. Just be up front with agendas if you are pushing a certain political view.

I am apolitical but so far covid response from left is hysterical nonsense. Dissapointed with humanity that so many don't realise they are brainwashed and worse, they try to covertly convert others.

[SATAN]

Yeah man, totally.

:facepalm

[bladefd]

https://twitter.com/Bease11/status/1405971914607239172

Guy writes as if he is going to war in Afghanistan like Rambo against al qaeda or something :oldlol:

[FultzNationRISE]

Guy writes as if he is going to war in Afghanistan like Rambo against al qaeda or something :oldlol:


I think that's because people like you act as if that's what The War on Covid is akin to.

He's critiquing your gullible, fear-driven herd mentality.

Shocking you failed to pick up on it.

[ZenMaster]

In recent times, many alarm bells have begun to sound: the metaphorical presentation of the COVID-19 emergency as a war might be dangerous, because it could affect the way people conceptualize the pandemic and react to it, leading citizens to endorse authoritarianism and limitations to civil liberties. The idea that conceptual metaphors actually influence reasoning has been corroborated by Thibodeau and Boroditsky, who showed that, when crime is metaphorically presented as a beast, readers become more enforcement-oriented than when crime is metaphorically framed as a virus. Recently, Steen, Reijnierse and Burgers replied that this metaphorical framing effect does not seem to occur and suggested that the question should be rephrased about the conditions under which metaphors do or do not influence reasoning. In this paper, we investigate whether presenting the COVID-19 pandemic as a war affects people’s reasoning about the pandemic.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0250651

[Rocket]

The virus was created in the Wuhan lab and released so they could push these new technology vaccines for whatever reason. We will know the reason once the long term effects come to light. They had to hide the fact that hydroxychloriquine and Ivermectin work because the rules prohibit emergency approvals like they got for the vaccines if there are alternatives.

[ZenMaster]

From a far right website OP:

https://media.patriots.win/post/PcDxlnvX.png

From a far right politician:

https://media.patriots.win/post/vejryMc8.png

I'm sure there are people on the far left saying that "everyone needs to be vaccinated so we can win the war against the virus", which would be kind of an opposite stance.

Is there leeway in the middle? I don't know, I can't recall hearing anyone who's taken the vaccine actually say they can respect the decision of someone choosing not to. There's also a lot of aggressive rhetoric from the far right about people who have taken the vaccine, like the guy here in the video below.

https://twitter.com/WestwoodParking/status/1409796031831691270?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1409796031831691270%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2F%3Ffrom%3D12j JBvc1va

Strange times we're heading into, there are a lot of people all around the world who are strongly against taking a forced vaccine, but I can definitely see exactly that being pushed heavily in western countries once winter comes around again and infection numbers go up.
14 days to slow the spread in order for hospitals not to get overloaded is a concept of the past.

https://media.patriots.win/post/C33ydWWz.jpeg

[JohnnySic]

How considerate of the delta virus to wait until the end of Junteenth and Pride Month before making its appearance. You gotta admit, that was a nice gesture.

[Charlie Sheen]

Is there leeway in the middle? I don't know, I can't recall hearing anyone who's taken the vaccine actually say they can respect the decision of someone choosing not to. There's also a lot of aggressive rhetoric from the far right about people who have taken the vaccine, like the guy here in the video below.



I just came back from spending a week in Las Vegas. The only time I really noticed anything different than pre-covid was people are more respectful about crowding the elevators now. The most people i rode in an elevator with was 4. That happened once. I think there may have been twice when people pulled their mask up seeing me already in the elevator before stepping inside.

I agree with you that it is hard to find reasonable discussion on the internet though. It was rare to meet anyone acting like a hard-liner on either side in Las Vegas though. People were ready to get out and vacation.

[Cleverness]

Nice post ZenMaster.

I consider Rand a moderate though, and certainly not "far right."

[SATAN]

https://media.patriots.win/post/C33ydWWz.jpeg

Imagine thinking this is a smart social media post. :oldlol:

:facepalm

[ZenMaster]

Jim Jordan lays out a conspiracy theory, on how initial information about the virus not being man made was conducted by Fauci and 11 other scientists.

https://files.catbox.moe/jxatnb.mp4

[Bill Gates]

The partisan views and politics surrounding the vaccine were manufactured by the Democrats in hopes that older conservatives steer clear of the vaccine. The conspiracy theories surrounding the vaccine were manufactured for the same reason. The virus itself was created in a lab and designed to only affect those of age and spare the children because children can not vote. Covid19 and its variants are here to stay and over years and decades it will slowly decimate older conservatives who the GOP relies on to vote. This will insure victory for the Democrats whos voters who are protected by the vaccine.

[diamenz]

The partisan views and politics surrounding the vaccine were manufactured by the Democrats in hopes that older conservatives steer clear of the vaccine. The conspiracy theories surrounding the vaccine were manufactured for the same reason. The virus itself was created in a lab and designed to only affect those of age and spare the children because children can not vote. Covid19 and its variants are here to stay and over years and decades it will slowly decimate older conservatives who the GOP relies on to vote. This will insure victory for the Democrats whos voters who are protected by the vaccine.

lmfao. you're as bad as Rocket bro. fu*king blinded. while the hysteria around covid and the lockdowns are certainly way overblown and the culture war around vaccines and masks are very real, AND it's likely that covid did escape from that wuhan lab, this is absolute propagandist bullshit thrown out as red meat to gullible conservatives such as yourself by right wing media. look, i'm not one to quickly dismiss any theory, but don't be fooled, son - they're playing you. they love having their voters running around in circles out for democratic blood. keepin' dat ass dancin'.

don't be a libtard. in other words, don't let the media play you for a fool.

[fishvid]

Many months later than would have been wise, the Union Cabinet has taken steps to increase the supply of vaccines. Last week, it announced a new set of regulations governing the third phase of the vaccine rollout. These included the opening up of the private market in vaccines; allowing state governments to purchase vaccines directly; and allowing all those above 18 access to vaccines through channels other than the existing one supervised by the Union government.

[fishvid]

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Hope everyone get vaccinated very soon.

[oldtimer28]

Hope everyone get vaccinated very soon.

You want to kill more people with side effects and for what.

Look at Israel. 78% fully vaccinated. Delta running rampant.

Those who push others to vaccinate are murderers. Individual choice.

[Axe]

You want to kill more people with side effects and for what.

Look at Israel. 78% fully vaccinated. Delta running rampant.

Those who push others to vaccinate are murderers. Individual choice.
Go take ivermectin if you're not a fan of vaccines.