KD must set up jumpers and neat little scores - he isn't a pure scorer like MJ (gifs)

[3ba11]

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When does KD score like this?


https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-13-2016/ZGgD8O.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-25-2021/y4-2IV.gif



Today's spacing gets open shots, so these kinds of pure scores aren't necessary - but the fact that Jordan could do them means that today's spacing would be too easy for him... 50 per game

And let's not act like KD is mitigating traffic like this and posterizing guys like MJ did - he lacks the strength:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-11-2015/JViiWj.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2020/n6UnE9.gif



And let's not act like he hangs and makes shots like this:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-16-2019/f7y_Z9.gif


On what planet is KD on Jordan's level as a scorer?.. People just don't understand the game.

[coastalmarker99]

KD with his offensive skillset would destroy the 1990's and 1980's so bad especially when you consider the illegal defence rule that was in place during those eras.




KD would face zero wings defenders in the 1990s that could go toe to toe with him for a full series outside of Pippen and we all know Kd would destroy him as he did with Kawhi.

[coastalmarker99]

Think about this.

For decades the NBA required teams to play man-to-man defence, which meant everyone on the court had to guard someone. You could double team one player and then recover to your man, but you could not be caught between players, guarding no one. That would be an illegal defence.



That also meant you couldn't just stand in the paint all day guarding no one.

To take advantage of this rule team teams with one great player like Michael Jordan would put MJ on one side of the floor and everyone else on the other side. This was the isolation play, or iso, for short. It would turn into a game of one-on-one which MJ would win.






KD would utterly abuse defences in the 1980 and 1990s and could seriously average 40 points per game if he wanted to in those two eras as who the hell is guarding Kd one on one.



Plus KD left on an island by himself on one side of floor would just blow by his defender with his speed and dunk or pull up every single time down the floor.




Kd under those rules would be the goat and I am not joking.

[coastalmarker99]

George Gervin was averaging 30 points a game in the 1980s and KD is twice the offensive player as him.



KD would be the best shooter from outside in the NBA in the 1990's and 1980's.




And think about how 1980 and 1990's defences would react when KD pulls up once he crosses half court and hits a long deep three on them.




Teams in the 1980 and 1990s seriously would get utterly demolished by KD.

This is the defence that MJ was facing in his prime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zONvMKkIpwA

[3ba11]

Coastalmarker,

Man-to-man defense doesn't require defenders to stand right next to their man and help defenders are further away today because of the spacing - so you're wrong about everything.

And KD wouldn't average 30 in the 90's because it's too physical - no time or room to set up the neat little scores that his fraile skillset requires.. You needed to be strong to score while getting banged, and also score quickly in traffic without a lot of reaction time (because help defenders were always right there - no spacing).. KD lacks the pure scoring instinct and strength needed to score like Jordan in the 90's

[coastalmarker99]

Coastalmarker,

Man-to-man defense doesn't require defenders to stand right next to their man and help defenders are further away today because of the spacing - so you're wrong about everything.

And KD wouldn't average 30 in the 90's because it's too physical - no time or room to set up the neat little scores that his fraile skillset requires.. You needed to be strong to score while getting banged, and also score quickly in traffic without a lot of reaction time (because help defenders were always right there - no spacing)


If Mark price could average 20 points in the 1990s despite being a small white boy against the so-called physical defences of the 1990s



Then I am sure that a 7-foot basketball demi-god that can shoot from anywhere on the court and has incredible blow by speed would average 30 to 40 points per game in his sleep.

[coastalmarker99]

Here is an example of the terrible defences that Jordan played against in the 1990s.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcktdn1WnaU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqq-g9EJBSU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STr5YGeG4TA

[3ba11]

If Mark price could average 20 points in the 1990s despite being a small white boy against the so-called physical defences of the 1990s



Then I am sure that a 7-foot basketball demi-god that can shoot from anywhere on the court and has incredible blow by speed would average 30 to 40 points per game in his sleep.


KD only averaged 35 against the Bucks in today's beginner format (wide open spacing, contact-less defense)

so that's 25 in the 90's advanced format (no spacing, hand-checking, physicality)..

And PJ Tucker is a joke - Jordan would drop 80 ppg on him lol

[coastalmarker99]

KD only averaged 35 against the Bucks in today's beginner format (wide open spacing, contact-less defense)

so that's 25 in the 90's advanced format (no spacing, hand-checking, physicality)..

And PJ Tucker is a joke - Jordan would drop 80 ppg on him lol


I think Kd would love to have a small white boy named Craig Ehlo guarding him for a full series like Jordan had.




KD would seriously average 100 points per game if a team decided to put a small white boy on him like the Cavs decided to do with Jordan.

[RRR3]

PJ Tucker would have Mikey crying for mama.

[3ba11]

PJ Tucker would have Mikey crying for mama.


No one as slow as PJ Tucker was ever assigned to MJ

But keep up the delusion kid

No coach would even assign Tucker to MJ... There's a reason peak Rodman only did spot duty on MJ... lol

[coastalmarker99]

PJ Tucker would have Mikey crying for mama.

PJ Tucker is incredibly strong and is able to keep up with Kd who is a 7 feet basketball demi god.




Can you think about how much better his defence would be if he was allowed to hand check players that struggled to shoot from outside such as Jordan?

[Spurs m8]

PJ Tucker would have Mikey crying for mama.

PJ would rape you and you'd love it

[3ba11]

I think Kd would love to have a small white boy named Craig Ehlo guarding him for a full series like Jordan had.




KD would seriously average 100 points per game if a team decided to put a small white boy on him like the Cavs decided to do with Jordan.


Ron Harper was the starter that averaged 40 minutes, while Ehlo came off the bench and played 20 minutes.

More importantly, KD is guarded by tons and tons of weak white boy shooters like bogdanovic or ryan anderson or Sabonis or Herro or Hezonja... too many to name... literally tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of weak white boys in today's NBA - more than ever before... tons of euros that would have no chance against MJ

[coastalmarker99]

PJ would rape you and you'd love it



If you put those early 2000's Spur teams in the 1990s West they would destroy everyone.







Can you think about Duncan Manu Tony coached by Pop going up against those 1 man teams in the West and allowed to play as physical as they wanted to?




Good lord their defence alone would have made the rest of the 1990's NBA cry.

[3ba11]

If you put those early 2000's Spur teams in the 1990s West they would destroy everyone.







Can you think about Duncan Manu Tony coached by Pop going up against those 1 man teams in the West and allowed to play as physical as they wanted to?




Good Lord their defence alone would have made the rest of the 1990's NBA cry.


KD and Lebron are guarded by tons of weak white boy shooters like bogdanovic or ryan anderson or Sabonis or Herro or Hezonja... too many to name... literally tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of weak white boys in today's NBA - more than ever before... tons of euros that would have no chance against MJ... tons

[coastalmarker99]

KD is a bucket no matter the era you put him in.



Kd's offensive skill set for a player of his height is once in a lifetime stuff





Nobody in the history of the game besides maybe Wilt has been so gifted offensively as Kd is.





You can put players that can match up well with Jordan such as Gary and Dumars.





With KD that is basically impossible as if you put a big on him, he will just blow by them and dunk and if you put a smaller player on him then he will just shoot over the top of them.

[coastalmarker99]

KD in the Jordan era with the illegal defence rules wins 10 scoring titles as well

That's all I will say, imagine allowing a 7-foot guy to play one vs one all the time because you can't help unless you full double


KD would 100% be a better scorer then than now due to the rules of those eras It's literally the best era for a guy like KD, you have two options, you let him score 40+ a game or you double him and leave someone open at all times

[coastalmarker99]

KD has the ball skills of a guard in a 7 footers body

Guards are too small to defend against him and bigs are too slow.



His height and length is literally his "separation". He has built-in latent separation from defenders cuz he can just shoot over them, even tall long ones like LeBron.

And he's an all-time accurate pure shooter. He's one of 8 members of the 50-40-90 club, and he's the 15th most accurate free-throw shooter of all time.

[coastalmarker99]

There's not one shot that KD can't make. He's efficient in every shot.. can pull up beyond the arc, he can spot up and shoot, one-dribble jump shot, fadeaway, one leg you name it.



He's able to get to his spots nearly anywhere on the floor.


Due to his skill at his size, he's always a second or step faster.




There are guys that can play perfect defence on Durant but it wouldn't matter.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Of course he's a better player then Durant.

Jordan was the best player of 6 championship teams and his only teammate was pippen who never won a MVP.

Durant has never won a playoff series without MVPS on his team like prime Westbrook, Westbrook and harden at the same time or Curry. This year he choked in overtime and went scoreless 0-6, 2014 he did the same thing and choked in overtime, 2016 he blew a 3-1 lead. Durant is always a choker, other then the few seasons he had with the 73 win champion warriors and even then he got bailed out by injuries to kawhi and Chris Paul.

[Phoenix]

Don't forget 89 Pippen, OP. Thanks in advance.

[PeroAntic]

op feels threatened by literally everyone :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Don't forget 89 Pippen, OP. Thanks in advance.
I don't see what that has to do with the thread. What's next, you're gonna bring up his playoff production and compare it to '09 Mo Williams?

[Phoenix]

I don't see how that has anything to do with the thread. What's next, you're gonna randomly compare his playoff production to '09 Mo Williams?

I need my daily dose of 3ball bashing Pippen in one of 10 threads he'll make today on MJ, Lebron, Pippen, Klay, you know how he do.

[Overdrive]

KD with his offensive skillset would destroy the 1990's and 1980's so bad especially when you consider the illegal defence rule that was in place during those eras.




KD would face zero wings defenders in the 1990s that could go toe to toe with him for a full series outside of Pippen and we all know Kd would destroy him as he did with Kawhi.

KD would get called for carries anytime he puts the ball on the floor.

Centers were allowed to camp in the 90s. They just had to be within a few feet of an opposing player and the was no def 3 seconds rule. These new era centers, if teams even play one, are just decoys so defenders are dragged out to the 3 pt line. That's why the NBA became a layup line league.

[r0drig0lac]

https://i.gifer.com/S2ES.gif

i used to like jordan and durant

but after this thread i hate both

thanks jeff or 3ball... don't have time to go through all of this to see which one it is

:lol

[ShawkFactory]

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When does KD score like this?


https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-13-2016/ZGgD8O.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-25-2021/y4-2IV.gif



Today's spacing gets open shots, so these kinds of pure scores aren't necessary - but the fact that Jordan could do them means that today's spacing would be too easy for him... 50 per game

And let's not act like KD is mitigating traffic like this and posterizing guys like MJ did - he lacks the strength:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-11-2015/JViiWj.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2020/n6UnE9.gif



And let's not act like he hangs and makes shots like this:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-16-2019/f7y_Z9.gif


On what planet is KD on Jordan's level as a scorer?.. People just don't understand the game.

That second gif is a travel

[Shooter]

Wow and he managed all that against auto mechanics and grocery baggers? What a guy :lol

[3ba11]

That second gif is a travel


Today's player might finish over a defender a couple times a game, not EVERY SINGLE PLAY, like previous eras required - that's the biggest difference in the eras, and durant lacks the quick, pure scoring instinct or the POWER to finish in traffic over length consistently.


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-19-2020/AePcWU.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-29-2020/9VVdZO.gif



Durant just doesn't have to make shots like this in today's game:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-30-2015/s2178L.gif


He can't make these kinds of shots and therefore wouldn't score as much in previous eras.

Since contested shots were expected (not avoided) in the no-spacing eras, every player developed their own unique way of making contested shots, which is why everyone played different back then (Bird, Magic, Kareem, etc - all individually-unique players)... Otoh, today's players play more similarly because the spacing allows the same shot allocation for everyone (threes, layups)

[coastalmarker99]

For the love of God put a sock into it 3ball.

[Shooter]

Gather round folks, let me tell you the tale of the grocery baggers against the 1-9 fraud.

:roll::roll:

[3ba11]

For the love of God put a sock into it 3ball.


Did you see Durant get his shit packed by Brook Lopez in the clutch?

He went up super-weak... SUPER-weak.

He lacks the quick/pure scoring instinct and the POWER to finish over length consistently, so he wouldn't be as good in the packed paints of prior eras - Durant can't make ANY of the shots I posted itt.. He simply isn't on Jordan's level as a scorer... jordan can BALL.. durant can shoot neat jumpers.

but carry on in ignorance.. I know you will

[Shooter]

Did you see Durant get his shit packed by Brook Lopez in the clutch?

He went up super-weak... SUPER-weak.

He lacks the quick/pure scoring instinct and the POWER to finish over length consistently, so he wouldn't be as good in the packed paints of prior eras - Durant can't make ANY of the shots I posted itt.. He simply isn't on Jordan's level as a scorer... jordan can BALL.. durant can shoot neat jumpers.

but carry on in ignorance.. I know you will

Sounds like MJ before Pippen.

1-9

[coastalmarker99]

Did you see Durant get his shit packed by Brook Lopez in the clutch?

He went up super-weak... SUPER-weak.

He lacks the quick/pure scoring instinct and the POWER to finish over length consistently, so he wouldn't be as good in the packed paints of prior eras - Durant can't make ANY of the shots I posted itt.. He simply isn't on Jordan's level as a scorer... jordan can BALL.. durant can shoot neat jumpers.

but carry on in ignorance.. I know you will


1-9 is all that needs to be said to you 3ball when you make dumb posts such as this one.

[8Ball]

There has been NO counter for the 1-9.

[Shooter]

There has been NO counter for the 1-9.

It's the biggest shit stain in a pair of drawers we'll ever see among top 7 players :lol

He is still top 7, right?

[1987_Lakers]

Looks like someone took the Steve Kerr quote personal.

[Shooter]

Looks like someone took the Steve Kerr quote personal.

Bang!

[999Guy]

No one as slow as PJ Tucker was ever assigned to MJ

But keep up the delusion kid

No coach would even assign Tucker to MJ... There's a reason peak Rodman only did spot duty on MJ... lol

Probably your first good posts in a while

Let’s see how long this lasts

[ShawkFactory]

Today's player might finish over a defender a couple times a game, not EVERY SINGLE PLAY, like previous eras required - that's the biggest difference in the eras, and durant lacks the quick, pure scoring instinct or the POWER to finish in traffic over length consistently.


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-19-2020/AePcWU.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-29-2020/9VVdZO.gif



Durant just doesn't have to make shots like this in today's game:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-30-2015/s2178L.gif


He can't make these kinds of shots and therefore wouldn't score as much in previous eras.

Since contested shots were expected (not avoided) in the no-spacing eras, every player developed their own unique way of making contested shots, which is why everyone played different back then (Bird, Magic, Kareem, etc - all individually-unique players)... Otoh, today's players play more similarly because the spacing allows the same shot allocation for everyone (threes, layups)

You said "he doesn't have to" and then said "he can't" make those types of shots.

If he doesn't have to...how do you know he can't?

And for the record...him not having to make those kinds of shots isn't exclusively related to the era. He's 6'11 and is one of the best shooters ever. He can just shoot over anyone. Hilarious to hear you talk about length in previous eras without mentioning the length of the guy we're discussing.

On the Lopez block of Durant...that was more of a lapse in judgement by KD. Going full speed but not directly on line with the basket with a 7'1 guy filling the entire paint wasn't a good situation to be in there. Jordan probably would have pulled up about 12 feet out and shot or drawn a foul

[Mauzah]

As impressive as a 7' guard is with shooting ability is... he's still not on Jordans level as a scorer.

[rawimpact]

Pistol Pete is the modern Kyle Korver
Kevin Durant in the 90s would put up Wilt-like numbers absolutely no doubt about it

Other long guardesque bigs would feast. That includes Lamar, Giannis etc.

Who is guarding KD in the post?

[3ba11]

As impressive as a 7' guard is with shooting ability is... he's still not on Jordans level as a scorer.


Durant and Lebron are debateable because one can shoot and one can finish inside - Jordan could do both (all-time mid-range shooting and all-time rim attack)

[PeroAntic]

Did you see Durant get his shit packed by Brook Lopez in the clutch?

He went up super-weak... SUPER-weak.

He lacks the quick/pure scoring instinct and the POWER to finish over length consistently, so he wouldn't be as good in the packed paints of prior eras - Durant can't make ANY of the shots I posted itt.. He simply isn't on Jordan's level as a scorer... jordan can BALL.. durant can shoot neat jumpers.

but carry on in ignorance.. I know you will

No, he was just tired

[paksat]

That second gif is a travel

lol that's not a travel, not even close

[dreamwarrior]

KD wouldn't even get drafted in that era. He would have to perfect his game wearing chuck taylors, would never have been encouraged to practice ball handling, and every team would have made him their star center and as a short, skinny center no NBA team would have looked twice at him. He never would have been able to develop into half the player he is today.

[ImKobe]

Durant can shoot it over anyone. No one's ever argued he was an ATG athlete like MJ, but he doesn't need that in order to create a high-percentage shot.

[3ba11]

Durant can shoot it over anyone. No one's ever argued he was an ATG athlete like MJ, but he doesn't need that in order to create a high-percentage shot.


He needs it sometimes - like when Brook Lopez packs his shit on the glass because KD went up super-duper weak with no creativity or power... so everyone needs to overpower or ad-lib if their initial move doesn't work

He's still a goat talent but let's not act like those baby hands and skinny frame isn't a drawback.. so he isn't on jordan's level as a scorer, due to inferior power and ad-lib/instinct

[3ba11]

Pure scoring includes what Durant has - shooting - but it also includes a scoring instinct and ad-lib that Durant lacks..

KD must set up jumpers and neat little scores - he isn't the complete pure scoring package that MJ was (goat mid-range shooting, goat ad-lib/instinct).. This instinct was more needed in the unspaced eras (closer help defenders, aka quicker decisions required)..

In addition to the ad-lib issue, there's the power issue, which further prevents Durant from scoring in packed paints against awaiting 7-footers.. We all saw Durant get his shot packed by Brook Lopez in the clutch... He went up super-weak... If Brook Lopez is destroying him, what would Hakeem do? Or Shaq? Or Mark Eaton? I suspect Durant and Laimbeer would have a beef or two.. So Durant lacks the power and ad-lib ability to thrive like MJ in the unspaced eras, and the ad-lib disadvantage makes him fall short of MJ as the complete pure scoring package (goat shooting, goat ad-lib).

Durant simply isn't on Jordan's level as a scorer... jordan can BALL; durant can shoot neat jumpers... Ultimately, Durant and Lebron are debateable because one can shoot and the other can finish inside, while Jordan could do both.
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[ImKobe]

He needs it sometimes - like when Brook Lopez packs his shit on the glass because KD went up super-duper weak with no creativity or power... so everyone needs to overpower or ad-lib if their initial move doesn't work

He's still a goat talent but let's not act like those baby hands and skinny frame isn't a drawback.. so he isn't on jordan's level as a scorer, due to inferior power and ad-lib/instinct

Durant was GASSED after playing every minute of that game, he'd been playing insane minutes all series and he's coming off an achilles injury that sidelined him for 1 1/2 years. He can't do what MJ did as a slasher and as a finisher at the rim, but he has more range and is just as great from mid-range/post.

[3ba11]

Durant was GASSED after playing every minute of that game, he'd been playing insane minutes all series and he's coming off an achilles injury that sidelined him for 1 1/2 years. He can't do what MJ did as a slasher and as a finisher at the rim, but he has more range and is just as great from mid-range/post.



Jordan's mid-range stands alone:



Most midrange buckets in a season (since 1997-98)


1997-98 Michael Jordan: 671

2005-06 Dirk Nowitzki: 564

2003-04 Kevin Garnett: 540

2000-01 Glenn Robinson: 506

2005-06 Kobe Bryant: 502

2008-09 Dirk Nowitzki: 501

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29035071/why-michael-jordan-scoring-prowess-touched




He's a complete outlier:



https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2020/0415/96MidrangeScatterFINAL.jpg

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Who is Kevin Durant? Ohh, ok, is that the guy who spends more time in the hospitals and arguing with others on social media than anyone else?

Michael Jordan, oh yeah, that one I know who he is and what he was all about on the court! 2 threepeats, baby! 2 olympic gold medals, 21 titles won overall. GOAT 4ever!

KD's GOD below:

https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/t_share/MTc1NDU3NzQ1NDczMDUzODkw/michael-jordan-versus-lebron-james.jpg

[SATAN]

Michael "Mechanic Killer" Jordan

[Spurs m8]

Michael "Mechanic Killer" Jordan

Nah mate, Michael "Bron Stan Killer" Jordan....

He keeps you guys up at night and triggers you all daily...even after nearly 20 years of retirement.

That GOAT impact lives on

[SATAN]

https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2020/0415/96MidrangeScatterFINAL.jpg

Vinny Del Negro was a better mid range shooter than MJ. That's pretty interesting. Imagine if he jacked up as many shots. Probably average 35ppg.

[Spurs m8]

Vinny Del Negro was a better mid range shooter than MJ. That's pretty interesting. Imagine if he jacked up as many shots. Probably average 35ppg.

You're not very bright, are you?lmfao

[000]

You're not very bright, are you?lmfao
Hurr durr marcus morris shot 47% from three while curry shot only 42%, imagine if morris chucked more hed average 34635376473647 ppg

[SATAN]

Meltdown

[000]

Meltdown
Meltdown

[Spurs m8]

Hurr durr marcus morris shot 47% from three while curry shot only 42%, imagine if morris chucked more hed average 34635376473647 ppg

:roll:

[Phoenix]

Meltdown

Melt.....

[red1]

kd is 7 feet tall.


he'd just shoot over mj's midget ass.

[000]

Melt.....
Meltdown

[Phoenix]

Meltdown

Thanks for finishing it off. Go outside. 50 posts a day dude...

[000]

Thanks for finishing it off. Go outside. 50 posts a day dude...
Meltdown

[Phoenix]

Meltdown

Melt....

[8Ball]

000 is a retard. Leave him be.

[Phoenix]

000 is a retard. Leave him be.

At the least can we please keep him on suicide watch? Seems like a cry for help....

[8Ball]

At the least can we please keep him on suicide watch? Seems like a cry for help....

No.

When you see retards on the street you ignore them when they talking to you. I don't care what happens to them.

[000]

Not 1 but 2 idiots melting down now. Keep it up boys:cheers:

[Phoenix]

You're already in my back pocket bitch. I humor your existence. You live for my attention. This is my last reply to you for the day. If you happen to deep throat shotgun as a result of that......nobody cares.

[000]

You're already in my back pocket bitch. I humor your existence. You live for my attention. This is my last reply to you for the day. If you happen to deep throat shotgun as a result of that......nobody cares.
Meltdown

[TheCorporation]

Who is this new 000 account talking shit? No new account would come in with that attitude unless it wasn't new and actually was an alt.

[000]

Who is this new 000 account talking shit? No new account would come in with that attitude unless it wasn't new and actually was an alt.

3 guys now. Nice.

[3ba11]

Durant was GASSED after playing every minute of that game, he'd been playing insane minutes all series and he's coming off an achilles injury that sidelined him for 1 1/2 years. He can't do what MJ did as a slasher and as a finisher at the rim, but he has more range and is just as great from mid-range/post.


Durant isn't anywhere near Jordan from mid-range because mid-range isn't just mid-range jumpshots - there's many other kinds of scores that Durant doesn't have - all he has is a jumpshot.. Jordan had leaners off the glass, hang-time - I mean, I don't have to tell you - you know..

And I don't care how tall KD is - if his shot never got altered, he'd do better than 6 chips... but obviously it gets altered a shit ton, and he lacks the capacity to complete his altered shots like Jordan.. Furthermore, Jordan's advantage in vertical and hand-size exceeds Durant's height edge anyway

Remember that shot where Jordan hangs on Ewing, while palming the ball with 1 hand?.. Jordan can shoot in a manner that his shot CAN'T be altered (overpowering physically)

[ShawkFactory]

Durant isn't anywhere near Jordan from mid-range because mid-range isn't just mid-range jumpshots - there's many other kinds of scores that Durant doesn't have - all he has is a jumpshot.. Jordan had leaners off the glass, hang-time - I mean, I don't have to tell you - you know..

And I don't care how tall KD is - if his shot never got altered, he'd do better than 6 chips... but obviously it gets altered a shit ton, and he lacks the capacity to complete his altered shots like Jordan.. Furthermore, Jordan's advantage in vertical and hand-size exceeds Durant's height edge anyway

Remember that shot where Jordan hangs on Ewing, while palming the ball with 1 hand?.. Jordan can shoot in a manner that his shot CAN'T be altered (overpowering physically)

Just stop. Durant can score in literally every way.

It doesn't mean Jordan isn't the GOAT

[3ba11]

Just stop. Durant can score in literally every way.

It doesn't mean Jordan isn't the GOAT


He can't score 2-pointers anywhere near Jordan, or in a ton of ways that Jordan did..

Otoh, there's no shot that KD shoots that Jordan do (2 or 3), because KD is just a jumpshooter.

I can show many Jordan shots that KD can't do, while you can't show any KD shots that Jordan can't do

[ShawkFactory]

He can't score 2-pointers anywhere near Jordan, or in a ton of ways that Jordan did.. Otoh, there's no 2-pointers that KD shoots that Jordan do, because KD is just a jumpshooter.

He doesn't need to. He's the greatest midrange jump-shooter of all time. The level of creativity that Jordan showed isn't necessary for Durant.

I mean..he's creative too...

But if you're Barry Bonds do you really need to bunt?

[3ba11]

He doesn't need to. He's the greatest midrange jump-shooter of all time. The level of creativity that Jordan showed isn't necessary for Durant.

I mean..he's creative too...

But if you're Barry Bonds do you really need to bunt?


Jordan is a far better mid-range shooter because he RELIED on it to lead the league in scoring - he LIVED off it despite the defense knowing what he would do, while Durant can wait for nice little neat jumpers with today's spacing.

it isn't remotely comparable.

[ShawkFactory]

Jordan is a far better mid-range shooter because he RELIED on it to lead the league in scoring - he LIVED off it despite the defense knowing what he would do, while Durant can wait for nice little neat jumpers with today's spacing.

it isn't remotely comparable.

So why are you trying to compare it?

Durant, being a 90% FT shooter is clearly more accurate in that field (shooting). He's also 6'11...thus unstoppable in the midrange.

I don't know why this is all so hard for you :lol

Other people can be good at things.

[3ba11]

So why are you trying to compare it?

Durant, being a 90% FT shooter is clearly more accurate in that field (shooting). He's also 6'11...thus unstoppable in the midrange.

I don't know why this is all so hard for you :lol

Other people can be good at things.


Durant can't lead the league in scoring from the mid-range, let alone 3 times in a row

He needs threes... He needs open lanes and non-physical defense... So he doesn't compare to Jordan as a 2-point scorer - the stats show this pretty clearly... Jordan made a lot more 2-pointers at a time when the 2-point areas were defended better than today's spaced out open paints.

Durant's a loser compared to Jordan because he lacks Jordan's pure scoring instinct/ad-lib ability, power, hops, hands, everything....

Durant can't control the release of his own shot - Jordan could wait until the last second to release it

[ShawkFactory]

Durant can't lead the league in scoring from the mid-range, let alone 3 times in a row

He needs threes... He needs open lanes and non-physical defense... So he doesn't compare to Jordan as a 2-point scorer - the stats show this pretty clearly... Jordan made a lot more 2-pointers at a time when the 2-point areas were defended better than today's spaced out open paints.

Durant's a loser compared to Jordan because he lacks Jordan's pure scoring instinct/ad-lib ability, power, hops, hands, everything....

Durant can't control the release of his own shot - Jordan could wait until the last second to release it

You sure?

[SATAN]

Durant can't control the release of his own shot - Jordan could wait until the last second to release it

He's 6-11. He doesn't have to.

[3ba11]

You sure?


Midrange scorers must fight to get to the spot and defenders are always contesting super-tight - it's painstaking and energy-draining.

Jordan's literally the ONLY guy in history to do it (lead the league in scoring from exclusively the mid-range)

[3ba11]

He's 6-11. He doesn't have to.


it's something Jordan can do that Durant can't - if Durant was so unstoppable, he'd have 10 scoring title and 6 chips without a 1b or super-team

he isn't in the same universe as Jordan.

durant's inferior hands, elevation and power MATTER.. they more than offset a few inches in height.. Durant gets stopped all the time because he lacks these things and therefore can't impose his physical will like MJ

Durant must hope that he's tall enough and can't just elevate over guys, out-hang guys or overpower guys.

[SATAN]

it's something Jordan can do that Durant can't - if Durant was so unstoppable, he'd have 10 scoring title and 6 chips without a 1b or super-team

he isn't in the same universe as Jordan.

durant's inferior hands, elevation and power MATTER.. they more than offset a few inches in height.. Durant gets stopped all the time because he lacks these things and therefore can't impose his physical will like MJ

Yes I agree. Not sure why you're dedicating so much time to Durant all of a sudden though. No one thinks he's better than MJ. The idiots on tv are just paid to argue and generate views.

[3ba11]

Yes I agree. Not sure why you're dedicating so much time to Durant all of a sudden though. No one thinks he's better than MJ. The idiots on tv are just paid to argue and generate views.


A lot of people saying he's a better scorer than Jordan... Neat jumpers don't compare to Jordan.

[3ba11]

.
Here's Durant getting blocked because of insufficient ad-lib ability and power:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-13-2021/mVMp0b.gif



Here's MJ in the same spot using ad-lib ability, hangtime and power to score:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-13-2021/Voaxh9.gif



Here's Durant getting blocked again because of insufficient ad-lib ability, hangtime and power:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-13-2021/QS4_mt.gif



Here's MJ in the same spot using ad-lib ability, hangtime and power to score:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-13-2021/mGheps.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-13-2021/wm8ETw.gif



Carry on..

[SouBeachTalents]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi5BORi8Rck&t

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/k50RjLf5/MJ-was-a-fraud-big-time.png

the 2 kings of the league

ruse11
le7631

[ShawkFactory]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi5BORi8Rck&t


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-2L7SR-1Ng

[3ba11]

one-off fluke





Durant lacks ad-lib ability, hangtime and power, so he's nowhere near the pure scorer that MJ was and barely wins scoring titles compared to MJ - MJ has 6 more scoring titles and averages 4 more ppg in the playoffs on better efficiency per possession, despite KD playing in the perimeter era..

The stats, performance and eye test show that KD is nowhere near MJ as a scorer

[coastalmarker99]

Durant lacks ad-lib ability, hangtime and power, so he's nowhere near the pure scorer that MJ was and barely wins scoring titles compared to MJ - MJ has 6 more scoring titles and averages 4 more ppg in the playoffs despite KD playing in the perimeter era..

The stats, performance and eye test show that KD is nowhere near MJ as a scorer


3ball ****ing stop it.


If KD wanted to be selfish he easily could average 32 to 35 points per game.

[3ba11]

3ball ****ing stop it.


If KD wanted to be selfish he easily could average 32 to 35 points per game.


If Jordan wanted to lead the league in assists, blocks, or rebounds, he could

That's your argument.. Maybe stop posting for a while

KD is a loser and needs to score more to win, but he can't - only MJ can be scoring champ and win titles

You want me to post more of skinny Durant getting bullied around the court, while MJ is overpowering 7 footers, outhanging defenders, and dipsy doo shots that amaze everyone?

[ShawkFactory]

Durant lacks ad-lib ability, hangtime and power, so he's nowhere near the pure scorer that MJ was and barely wins scoring titles compared to MJ - MJ has 6 more scoring titles and averages 4 more ppg in the playoffs on better efficiency per possession, despite KD playing in the perimeter era..

The stats, performance and eye test show that KD is nowhere near MJ as a scorer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fegeVLEhL4s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSaSVqpd0Qc

[coastalmarker99]

If Jordan wanted to lead the league in assists, blocks, or rebounds, he could

That's your argument.. Maybe stop posting for a while

KD is a loser and needs to score more to win, but he can't - only MJ can be scoring champ and win titles

You want me to post more of skinny Durant getting bullied around the court, while MJ is overpowering 7 footers, outhanging defenders, and dipsy doo shots that amaze everyone?


The only player in NBA history that could have led the league in anything they wanted to was Wilt.



KD only needs his teammates to stay healthy plus himself as if that happens then he has a great chance of ending up with 4 rings for his career.

[3ba11]

exceptions and weak shot-making by a skinny flyweight, no-contact shotmaking, weak hangtime, no power, can't foul out Olajuwon or Robinson like MJ did





Nothing compared to Michael

[DoctorP]

"neat little scores"

:lol

[ShawkFactory]

So we have this:


This season, despite coming off an Achilles tear that cost him all of 2019-20, KD is averaging a mind-boggling 1.09 points per mid-range possession. The most amazing part of all this is that 95% of those shots can be considered as ‘contested’ mid-range jumpers.

Combined with this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ZnnBsjE_4

Combined with this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkfvnYG3ql8

Combined with shooting 40% from 3 and 90% from the line.

It's easy to see why he scores 1.45 points per shot for his career and why some put him in that pantheon of greatest scorers ever.

[3ba11]

https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-95-of-kevin-durants-mid-range-shots-are-contested-mind-boggling-stat-that-explains-why-the-nets-superstar-is-the-greatest-scorer-of-the-century/


nearly 100% of MJ's mid-range was contested - it means nothing because mid-range shots are usually contested - the reporter that wrote that article is just ignorant about basketball by thinking it's amazing that mid-range shots are contested.. It isn't amazing - it's standard




https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-95-of-kevin-durants-mid-range-shots-are-contested-mind-boggling-stat-that-explains-why-the-nets-superstar-is-the-greatest-scorer-of-the-century/


Durant would've missed the shot below if he got bumped or fouled:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-12-2015/-6TeSS.gif



He can't make shots while taking hard fouls like MJ:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-12-2015/OfLiMy.gif



MJ was simply on another level:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-27-2015/zU1xdh.gif

[ShawkFactory]

The amazing aspect isn’t that they were contested but that he scored 1.09 points per midrange shot this year.

But anyway, you can replace Jordan’s hang time around the basket with Durants superior shooting and it evens out. The only difference is the killer mindset that MJ has that Durant lacks sometimes. But from a skill set standpoint he’s one of the best ever.

[3ba11]

The amazing aspect isn’t that they were contested but that he scored 1.09 points per midrange shot this year.

But anyway, you can replace Jordan’s hang time around the basket with Durants superior shooting and it evens out. The only difference is the killer mindset that MJ has that Durant lacks sometimes. But from a skill set standpoint he’s one of the best ever.


Jordan shoots better than Durant from mid-range and is a better shot-maker from mid-range - his mid-range stats are unmatched - it isn't remotely close - MJ is a far better mid-range player than KD, which is why he had carry-jobs over great teams with weak production from teammates, while KD can't carry anything or any team, or impose his will

ultimately, jordan is the only all-time athlete that was also a goat shooter on 2's or 3's... so Durant is dimensions below jordan

[ShawkFactory]

Jordan shoots better than Durant from mid-range and is a better shot-maker from mid-range - his mid-range stats are unmatched - it isn't remotely close - MJ is a far better mid-range player than KD, which is why he could carry teams with weak production from teammates over great teams, while KD can't carry anything or any team

ultimately, jordan is the only all-time athlete that was also a goat shooter on 2's or 3's... so Durant is dimensions below jordan

This is factually untrue.

But even still, KD is more effective from deep and a better shooter at the line..meaning he is just a more skilled shooter in general.

JordN was able to carry at a greater level because there are a lot of other things that he is better at. Primarily the leadership intangibles

[3ba11]

This is factually untrue.

But even still, KD is more effective from deep and a better shooter at the line..meaning he is just a more skilled shooter in general.

JordN was able to carry at a greater level because there are a lot of other things that he is better at. Primarily the leadership intangibles


Jordan's volume and efficiency from mid-range is goat, BY FAR - durant's volume and efficiency is nowhere near Jordan's.

The stats and graphs on volume/efficiency show that Jordan is goat from mid-range... Heck, Jordan led the league in scoring for 3 straight years from mid-range.. only Jordan did that.. KD made half the mid-range shots that Jordan did in a season

There's nothing that KD is better than MJ at except threes, and only because MJ never had volume from that distance...

Ultimately, KD lacks ad-lib pure scoring instinct, power, and hangtime compared to Jordan, while also being inferior from mid-range.

[ShawkFactory]

KD is absolutely as efficient as Jordan was from midrange. This is an irrefutable fact. He’s made a little over 50% of his midrange shots since 2013.

Now volume is another question. You seem to think that if you gave Jordan more volume at something then his efficiency would increase.

Something tells me that line of thinking won’t be applied to KD.

[3ba11]

KD is absolutely as efficient as Jordan was from midrange. This is an irrefutable fact. He’s made a little over 50% of his midrange shots since 2013.

Now volume is another question. You seem to think that if you gave Jordan more volume at something then his efficiency would increase.

Something tells me that line of thinking won’t be applied to KD.


Volume decreases efficiency for contested shots

Jordan shoots the same efficiency but 2 or 3 times the volume, so Jordan is far superior from mid-range.

[ShawkFactory]

Volume decreases efficiency for contested shots

Jordan shoots the same efficiency but 2 or 3 times the volume, so Jordan is far superior from mid-range.

You just made all of that up :lol

I think you’re also forgetting that KD is 6’11 with a 7’5 wingspan. It’s harder to contest his shot than it is for Jordan. Doing the math, he’s averaged around 350-400 midrange jumpers made per season (extrapolating for 80 games) since 2012.

And if you check his numbers, the higher volume seasons he’s had haven’t correlated with any decreased efficiency.

[3ba11]

You just made all of that up :lol

I think you’re also forgetting that KD is 6’11 with a 7’5 wingspan. It’s harder to contest his shot than it is for Jordan. Doing the math, he’s averaged around 350-400 midrange jumpers made per season (extrapolating for 80 games) since 2012.

And if you check his numbers, the higher volume seasons he’s had haven’t correlated with any decreased efficiency.


Guys shoot worse at higher volumes - this is common knowledge and historical fact

if KD had to double or triple his mid-range volume (to match Jordan's), he wouldn't shoot anywhere near Jordan

As it stands, Jordan had 2 or 3 times the volume, with the same efficiency, so he's far superior

Again, jordan is the only all-time athlete that was an all-time shooter on 2's or 3's.. KD is a dimension below.

In addition to weaker mid-range capability, Durant lacks the ad-lib ability, power and hangtime of MJ

[ShawkFactory]

Guys shoot worse at higher volumes - this is common knowledge and historical fact

KD is not shooting midrange jumpers at a low volume or anything though. And his combination of handles, size, overall shooting ability and the fact that he's literally made more than half of his midrange jumpers in the last decade don't point to someone who would struggle if he decided to do it more. It's just not the way the game is played now.

If you had a guy who had a great month shooting 2 midrange jumpers a game at 50%? Sure, you'd have a point.

Kevin Durant in 1985 would be hilarious.

[3ba11]

KD is not shooting midrange jumpers at a low volume or anything though. And his combination of handles, size, overall shooting ability and the fact that he's literally made more than half of his midrange jumpers in the last decade don't point to someone who would struggle if he decided to do it more. It's just not the way the game is played now.

If you had a guy who had a great month shooting 2 midrange jumpers a game at 50%? Sure, you'd have a point.

Kevin Durant in 1985 would be hilarious.


When a guy does something repeatedly, the defense hones in and makes it tougher to do

KD's efficiency would plummet if he had to take 2 or 3 times as many mid-range shots - there's a reason that Jordan is the outlier on the volume/efficiency graph - only he could shoot well at that volume

[ShawkFactory]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2kCMNSF62m/?igshid=1bst8f7237r2w

Pretty tough to "hone in" when this is going on :applause:

But again, his size shooting ability makes him unguardable in midrange situations.

[tpols]

Guys shoot worse at higher volumes - this is common knowledge and historical fact

if KD had to double or triple his mid-range volume (to match Jordan's), he wouldn't shoot anywhere near Jordan

As it stands, Jordan had 2 or 3 times the volume, with the same efficiency, so he's far superior

Again, jordan is the only all-time athlete that was an all-time shooter on 2's or 3's.. KD is a dimension below.

In addition to weaker mid-range capability, Durant lacks the ad-lib ability, power and hangtime of MJ

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSQTYnp9kvWK0n2_8qFeFk86FKJ2GY-1YXOtw&usqp=CAU

[FKAri]

MJ must set up his scores with live dribble or triple threat - he isn't a pure scorer like Klay who can drop like 50 with 5 dribbles.

[3ba11]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2kCMNSF62m/?igshid=1bst8f7237r2w

Pretty tough to "hone in" when this is going on :applause:

But again, his size shooting ability makes him unguardable in midrange situations.


That's my point - he was never forced to take high mid-range volume because today's era shoots a lot of threes..

If he was transported back to the 90's strategy and his team needed him to take MJ volume, he wouldn't shoot anywhere near as well as MJ.. there's a reason that Jordan is the outlier on the volume/efficiency graph - only he could shoot well at that volume

[3ba11]

Bada bing

Bada boom

[Shooter]

MJ scored on plumbers and mechanics and grocery baggers.

Imagine KD in 1985. That boi is dropping 45 a night.

/thread

[3ba11]

MJ scored on plumbers and mechanics and grocery baggers.

Imagine KD in 1985. That boi is dropping 45 a night.

/thread


KD has much better spacing and less physical defense in today's game and he's getting locked up, so he wouldn't be able to score at all against completely packed paints and the "football" format of previous eras..

He would literally go scoreless for long stretches just like the current games - we're getting a TINY GLIMPSE of what he would look like in prior eras

Btw, Durant is getting locked up by these Celtics so the Bad Boys with Rodman or Jordan/Pippen/Rodman or Hakeem/Horry/Thorpe/Drexler would make him quit - he would be a spot-up shooter in the 90's against real hand-checking where he'd average 10. TO's a game if he tried to dribble... Today's Mickey Mouse spacing and hands-off beginner format hides Durant's weaknesses

[FKAri]

Bada bing

Bada boom

Imagine being stupid enough to make this thread. Now imagine being stupid enough to bump it.

[3ba11]

Imagine being stupid enough to make this thread. Now imagine being stupid enough to bump it.


I was right and you sound like a fool in denial

You're like "imagine pointing out the sky is blue.. what a dolt.. it's pink... Durant is dominating like MJ"... That's you right now

[1987_Lakers]

Notice how 3ball made this thread like a week after the Nets got eliminated by the Bucks last season.

While the series was going on, 3ball was slurping KD and shitting on Giannis.

[1987_Lakers]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494893-3ball-has-sure-been-quiet-since-KD-got-eliminated

[NBAGOAT]

KD only averaged 35 against the Bucks in today's beginner format (wide open spacing, contact-less defense)

so that's 25 in the 90's advanced format (no spacing, hand-checking, physicality)..

And PJ Tucker is a joke - Jordan would drop 80 ppg on him lol

Well you might be right about KD but completely wrong about beginner format. Brooklyn has spacing yet Boston is still throwing tons of help defense. They’re just smart about who they help off of and are good enough to recover well. You can trash tucker but Tatum doesnt have many flaws as a wing defender and browns very good. There aren’t 5 centers in the 90s as switchable or mobile as horford even at 36.

[Manny98]

KD is a way better shooter

But this series has shown how badly physicality bothers KD

Overall I would give MJ a slight edge as a scorer to due his ability to produce against physical defenses

[3ba11]

KD is a way better shooter

But this series has shown how badly physicality bothers KD

Overall I would give MJ a slight edge as a scorer to due his ability to produce against physical defenses


Durant has no moves on the post and doesn't know how to body his defender on turnarounds (set up the turnaround) so it can't be blocked or significantly altered.

MJ also has a far superior jab step, upfake, live dribble, off-ball quickness and explosiveness - there's no category that Durant is better.. MJ shot the same percentage on threes whenever he took volume

[Phoenix]

MJ shot the same percentage on threes whenever he took volume

MJ's highest attempts for the normal 3point line is 3 in 1990, shooting 38%. Durant has 8 seasons shooting higher than that with double the attempts in some cases, so this isn't even remotely close to true.

[3ba11]

MJ's highest attempts for the normal 3point line is 3 in 1990, shooting 38%. Durant has 8 seasons shooting higher than that with double the attempts in some cases, so this isn't even remotely close to true.


^^^ you listed his seasons at 3 attempts - Jordan shot better as his volume increased, such as the 93' Playoffs (4 attempts at 39%) and the 92' Finals (5 attempts at 43%)

Similar to any good shooter, he got in rhythm as his volume increased - in today's 3-point format, he would get 5-10 attempts per game as a standard, so he would have shrug games literally every night.. goat form and mechanics shoots better at higher volume

[Phoenix]

^^^ you listed his seasons at 3 attempts - Jordan shot better as his volume increased, such as the 93' Playoffs (4 attempts at 39%) and the 92' Finals (5 attempts at 43%)



Why do you routinely make such stupid arguments? Ever heard of sample size? A 19 game playoff run in 93 shooting 39% on 4 attempts and a 6 game series shooting 43% on 5 attempts doesn't equate to shooting 39% on 6 attempts over 81 games(2014), 39% on 7 attempts over 72 games(2016), or any other number of seasons where Durant took double the volume while maintaining a consistent 38-40%. You're cherrypicking 25 games across two series and trying to compare it to someone who shoots 38% on 5 attempts over 939 games. There's no comparison here.

[3ba11]

Why do you routinely make such stupid arguments? Ever heard of sample size? A 19 game playoff run in 93 shooting 39% on 4 attempts and a 6 game series shooting 43% on 5 attempts doesn't equate to shooting 39% on 6 attempts over 81 games(2014), 39% on 7 attempts over 72 games(2016), or any other number of seasons where Durant took double the volume while maintaining a consistent 38-40%. You're cherrypicking 25 games across two series and trying to compare it to someone who shoots 38% on 5 attempts over 939 games. There's no comparison here.


MJ had 8 series where he took 4+ attempts and he shot 40% or better in 6 of them

it's bball 101 that good shooters will shoot threes better at higher volumes - Jordan simply never got to experience today's 3-point format and super-high attempts (6-10 attempts per game), but his history of shooting better at higher attempts is a preview of what he would shoot today's higher attempts.






Why do you routinely make such stupid arguments? Ever heard of sample size? A 19 game playoff run in 93 shooting 39% on 4 attempts and a 6 game series shooting 43% on 5 attempts doesn't equate to shooting 39% on 6 attempts over 81 games(2014), 39% on 7 attempts over 72 games(2016), or any other number of seasons where Durant took double the volume while maintaining a consistent 38-40%. You're cherrypicking 25 games across two series and trying to compare it to someone who shoots 38% on 5 attempts over 939 games. There's no comparison here.


Durant has a toe on the line and is too tired at the end of games to do this:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-26-2015/olpEnW.gif


No elevation, power or explosiveness for Durant.



https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-11-2019/N9LXKg.gif

[Shooter]

MJ had 8 series where he took 4+ attempts and he shot 40% or better in 6 of them

it's bball 101 that good shooters will shoot threes better at higher volumes - Jordan simply never got to experience today's 3-point format and super-high attempts (6-10 attempts per game), but his history of shooting better at higher attempts is a preview of what he would shoot today's higher attempts.








Durant is always tired at the end of games and can't do this:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-26-2015/olpEnW.gif


No elevation, power or explosiveness for Durant.



https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-11-2019/N9LXKg.gif

You can't reference gifs against plumbers and mechanics (aka, 90s ball) when KD plays in the highly talented modern era.

Next.

[3ba11]

You can't reference gifs against plumbers and mechanics (aka, 90s ball) when KD plays in the highly talented modern era.

Next.


Today's cream puff era (soft) and beginner format (easy offense)?

And the 92' Blazers were far more stacked than these Celtics

Those Blazers had a better defense than the Bulls and far better scoring help (3 go-to scorers to the Bulls' 1).. Jordan always beat superior talent in the Finals except the 2 Jazz Finals.

[Baller789]

You can't reference gifs against plumbers and mechanics (aka, 90s ball) when KD plays in the highly talented modern era.

Next.

If the 90's were full of mechanics and plumbers, todays NBA are sure full of divas, karens and metrosexuals.

[Phoenix]

MJ had 8 series where he took 4+ attempts and he shot 40% or better in 6 of them

it's bball 101 that good shooters will shoot threes better at higher volumes - Jordan simply never got to experience today's 3-point format and super-high attempts (6-10 attempts per game), but his history of shooting better at higher attempts is a preview of what he would shoot today's higher attempts.










I'm dealing in facts, not agenda driven drivel. KD is a career 38% 3 point shooter on 5 attempts a game. MJ shot 38% on 3 attempts in 90, 43% at the shorter line in 96, and a few cherry-picked series as only you can and try to pass it off as something comparable to 900+ games. A 5 year old would poke holes in that bullshit. You don't get to determine when sample sizes matter or not. MJ isn't in the same stratosphere as a 3point shooter based on historical STATISTICAL FACT comparing the volume and percentages of the two over their career. Speculation on what MJ 'might' do in today's game is irrelevant.

[3ba11]

I'm dealing in facts, not agenda driven drivel. KD is a career 38% 3 point shooter on 5 attempts a game. MJ shot 38% on 3 attempts in 90, 43% at the shorter line in 96, and a few cherry-picked series as only you can and try to pass it off as something comparable to 900+ games. A 5 year old would poke holes in that bullshit. You don't get to determine when sample sizes matter or not. MJ isn't in the same stratosphere as a 3point shooter based on historical STATISTICAL FACT comparing the volume and percentages of the two over their career. Speculation on what MJ 'might' do in today's game is irrelevant.


I'm going to post Jordan's 3-point shooting for his entire career pre-baseball WHEN HE TOOK 4+ ATTEMPTS - regular season and playoffs - lets see what he shot at 4+ attempts over a big sample size

[Phoenix]

I'm going to post Jordan's 3-point shooting for his entire career pre-baseball WHEN HE TOOK 4+ ATTEMPTS - regular season and playoffs - lets see what he shot at 4+ attempts over a big sample size

Over his entire career he only made 721 threes (581 season, 148 playoffs). KD has made 2,114 threes (1770 season, 344 playoffs) and still going, if he plays another 3-4 years he'll end up knocking on 3000. That's potentially 4 times MJ's volume on what will probably end up a 38% career mark when he's done. As it stands right now it's already a no contest. There's no sample size you can do cherry-pick that makes the discrepancy any less laughable. Actually I'm the ass for even entertaining you over multiple posts, so well done. You suckered me into a chain of nonsense a more disciplined person wouldn't have bothered engaging you on in the first place.

[3ba11]

Over his entire career he only made 721 threes (581 season, 148 playoffs). KD has made 2,114 threes (1770 season, 344 playoffs) and still going, if he plays another 3-4 years he'll end up knocking on 3000. That's potentially 4 times MJ's volume on what will probably end up a 38% career mark when he's done. As it stands right now it's already a no contest. There's no sample size you can do cherry-pick that makes the discrepancy any less laughable. Actually I'm the ass for even entertaining you over multiple posts, so well done. You suckered me into a chain of nonsense a more disciplined person wouldn't have bothered engaging you on in the first place.


Only 38% for Durant's career?

that's the MINIMUM that I expect Jordan shot at 4+ attempts (although I haven't done the numbers yet)...

38% is pretty garbage tbh for someone that everyone says is a goat shooter - again, Jordan was easily matching that whenever he took 4+ attempts

Over the course of Jordan's career, if we look at all the games where he had 4+ attempts, it probably amounts to 1 or 2 seasons worth of attempts at Durant's volume level....

That's a big enough sample size to know what he shot at 4+ attempts, especially with a lack of series or other evidence of him shooting POORLY at 4+ attempts

[Phoenix]

Only 38% for Durant's career?

that's the MINIMUM that I expect Jordan shot at 4+ attempts (although I haven't done the numbers yet)...

38% is pretty garbage tbh for someone that everyone says is a goat shooter - again, Jordan was easily matching that whenever he took 4+ attempts

Over the course of Jordan's career, if we look at all the games where he had 4+ attempts, it probably amounts to 1 or 2 seasons worth of attempts at Durant's volume level....

That's a big enough sample size to know what he shot at 4+ attempts, especially with a lack of series or other evidence of him shooting POORLY at 4+ attempts

KD has 9 seasons shooting 38%+ on 4+ attempts, three of which were on 6 attempts, one on 7 attempts and he never shot below 39% for any of them. Jordan never came close to 6 or 7 attempts at a 39 to 41% clip. You can flail around all day desperately trying to create a reality where 'one or two' seasons worth of cherry-picked numbers is a relevant sample size when the point of comparison is 9 seasons.

Threadcliffs

It ain't.

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That's a big enough sample size to know what he shot at 4+ attempts, especially with a lack of series or other evidence of him shooting POORLY at 4+ attempts

You sure?

96 vs Knicks- 32% on 4.4 attempts
97 vs Jazz - 32% on 4.2 attempts

There are also series in 97 when he shot like absolute shit but didn't take 4+ a game:

Vs Washington 1-8 for 13% ( 3 games,2.7 attempts)
Vs Hawks 2-17 for 12% (5 games, 3.4 attempts)
Vs Heat 2-17 for 12% ( 5 games, 3.4 attempts)

These are at the SHORTER 3 point line, BTW.

MJ's most consistent year shooting the ball from deep was 93. Season 35% on 3 attempts, playoffs 39% on 4 attempts. KD has multiple SEASONS, not playoff runs, doing the latter and a handful of seasons doing that efficiency on 6-7 attempts.

It's not close.