What's the difference between mike conley and chris paul careers?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Mike Conley has been an on/off god his entire career and was the best offensive player on grizzles and jazz since 2013. He just lacks playoff success.

Chris Paul has been a great regular season player but in playoffs always chokes or injured.

I don't see how one is better then the other. The only difference is Chris Paul has more hype to him and played with better offensive players like harden and Booker.

[ShawkFactory]

I mean...aside from Chris Paul being a much better player in pretty much every way?

[j3lademaster]

I didn't know jaguars actively hunted caiman.

Did you know they have the strongest bite force out of any large cat?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrY4EUirqgE

[Xiao Yao You]

Paul is better. Conley had a similar impact this year

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I mean...aside from Chris Paul being a much better player in pretty much every way?

i don't really see that, chris paul just holds the ball longer and is more marketable i guess.

Both their biggest accomplishments in the playoffs as best player was beating spurs (conley in 2011 and paul in 2015) and then they formed super teams.

Conley has been an on\off god since like 2011 now

[SouBeachTalents]

This is just a shitty thread

[ShawkFactory]

i don't really see that, chris paul just holds the ball longer and is more marketable i guess.

Both their biggest accomplishments in the playoffs as best player was beating spurs (conley in 2011 and paul in 2015) and then they formed super teams.

Conley has been an on\off god since like 2011 now

Then there isn't really much else to talk about.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Paul is better. Conley had a similar impact this year

Based on the last 5 years or so.....

Conley best two seasons ON\OFF in 2017 and 2021:

2020\21 - +13.1
2016\17 - +7.4

Chris Paul best two seasons in 2018 and 2021:

2020\21 - +2.1
2017\18 - +8.0

If Chris Paul was on Utah this season instead of Conley and had the exact same stats\results, he would of got top 5 MVP talk. While Conley doesn't even get the allstar game until an injury LOL

[HBK_Kliq_2]

This is just a shitty thread

They were both #4 draft picks.

Conley took that bum Greg Oden to the championship game.

2015 - present Conley is averaging 18 points and 6 assists with high impact metrics

2015 - present Chris Paul is averaging 18 points and 9 assists

It's not that big of a difference really. Paul is more ball dominant and gets a few more assists but Conley is a better 3 point shooter and ball mover.

[8Ball]

One is a top 3 PG all time.

Another is Mike Conley.

[SouBeachTalents]

They were both #4 draft picks.

Conley took that bum Greg Oden to the championship game.

2015 - present Conley is averaging 18 points and 6 assists with high impact metrics

2015 - present Chris Paul is averaging 18 points and 9 assists

It's not that big of a difference really. Paul is more ball dominant and gets a few more assists but Conley is a better 3 point shooter and ball mover.
I forgot CP3's career began in 2015. It's weird that he's only been in the league 7 seasons and he's already 36

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Then there isn't really much else to talk about.

basketball reference has "VORP". While 538's Raptor has "War". The more minutes you play, the more your VORP\WAR has potential to increase.

Mike Conley WAR this season is 8.4 in 1,674 minutes in 2020-21 season
Chris Paul WAR this season is 8.4 in 2,623 minutes in 2020-21 season

So Mike is pretty much running laps around his ass! Same amount of WAR despite 949 less minutes! Yet the media was still ranting and raving about how much of a season Chris was having.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/?player=Mike%20Conley&season=2021

[AirBonner]

The difference is the Jazz’s top 3 lineups all include Conley. Meanwhile the Suns are better with Chris Paul on the bench

[FireDavidKahn]

Did OP really just ask what the difference between Conley and Paul is?

:roll:

[j3lademaster]

basketball reference has "VORP". While 538's Raptor has "War". The more minutes you play, the more your VORP\WAR has potential to increase.

Mike Conley WAR this season is 8.4 in 1,674 minutes in 2020-21 season
Chris Paul WAR this season is 8.4 in 2,623 minutes in 2020-21 season

So Mike is pretty much running laps around his ass! Same amount of WAR despite 949 less minutes! Yet the media was still ranting and raving about how much of a season Chris was having.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/?player=Mike%20Conley&season=2021Then change the title of the thread to Conley vs Paul for the 2021 season, not for their careers.

One is discussion-worthy, the other isn't.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I forgot CP3's career began in 2015. It's weird that he's only been in the league 7 seasons and he's already 36

6 year stretch shouldn't be that close by stats if Paul is in a different tier as a player.

[red1]

I didn't know jaguars actively hunted caiman.

Did you know they have the strongest bite force out of any large cat?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrY4EUirqgE

yup. they can crack a turtles shell with the strength of their bite.


plus jaguars are the third largest of all the cats.


very cool.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Then change the title of the thread to Conley vs Paul for the 2021 season, not for their careers.

One is discussion-worthy, the other isn't.

But yet Paul was top 5 MVP and Conley gets an allstar replacement. That should tell you about the hype of their careers.

Also looking at their 10th season: Conley's 2017 season vs Chris Paul 2015 season, conley is averaging more points on better TS

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The difference is the Jazz’s top 3 lineups all include Conley. Meanwhile the Suns are better with Chris Paul on the bench

Exactly. I mean Conley took Marc Gasol as far as far as Chris took Blake Griffin.

Then Conley never played with stars like harden and booker.

Lets see Chris Paul's career if most of it was stuck in a shithole like memphis with marc gasol as his co star.

[j3lademaster]

But yet Paul was top 5 MVP and Conley gets an allstar replacement. That should tell you about the hype of their careers.

Also looking at their 10th season: Conley's 2017 season vs Chris Paul 2015 season, conley is averaging more points on better TS
You know what, you have my respect. Whatever that means to you, you might not even care, but you do. A bunch of people are shitting on this thread and you’re just sitting there calmly and arguing your point with numbers to back them up.

But honestly do you think OKC goes 44-28 last year with Conley? How many wins do the 08 Hornets get with any version of Conley? Because Paul lead that team to 56 wins.

Conley is underrated, but he’s not a superstar.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

You know what, you have my respect. Whatever that means to you, you might not even care, but you do. A bunch of people are shitting on this thread and you’re just sitting there calmly and arguing your point with numbers to back them up.

But honestly do you think OKC goes 44-28 last year with Conley? How many wins do the 08 Hornets get with any version of Conley? Because Paul lead that team to 56 wins.

Conley is underrated, but he’s not a superstar.

Fair enough, i respect everybody's opinion. I always thought Chris Paul was closer to overrated and Conley was closer to underrated, so it cancels out.

2008 Hornets had Tyson Chandler who is basically equal to Marc Gasol and then had an allstar shooter Peja who is like a Klay, i'm sure Conley would of done just fine with that team.

[8Ball]

Just compare All-NBA team selections buddy.

One player is not like the other.

[ShawkFactory]

6 year stretch shouldn't be that close by stats if Paul is in a different tier as a player.

Since you seem to be just a stats guy..

Mike Conley has one season were he had over a .200 WS/48, 5.0 BPM, or 5.0 VORP. They were all in 2017. He had a .209, 6.8 and 5.1.

Chris Paul has gone over .200 12 times. Averages .241 for his career.

He's gone over 5.0 BPM 13 times. 7.4 for his career and his numbers earlier on before 2015 or so he was in Lebron territory.

Gone over 5.0 VORP 10 times. 9 of them higher than Conley's career high.

So to recap: Mike Conley has 3 instances of going over these numbers (and you DEFINITELY don't want to play the arbitrarily chosen number game with this one; trust me). Chris Paul has 35.

Tell me how they're in the same tier?

[8Ball]

Mike Conley:
NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2013)

CP3:
4× All-NBA First Team (2008, 2012–2014)
5× All-NBA Second Team (2009, 2015, 2016, 2020, 2021)
1x All-NBA Third Team (2011)
7× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2009, 2012–2017)
2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2008, 2011)

[SouBeachTalents]

Since you seem to be just a stats guy..

Mike Conley has one season were he had over a .200 WS/48, 5.0 BPM, or 5.0 VORP. They were all in 2017. He had a .209, 6.8 and 5.1.

Chris Paul has gone over .200 12 times. Averages .241 for his career.

He's gone over 5.0 BPM 13 times. 7.4 for his career and his numbers earlier on before 2015 or so he was in Lebron territory.

Gone over 5.0 VORP 10 times. 9 of them higher than Conley's career high.

So to recap: Mike Conley has 3 instances of going over these numbers (and you DEFINITELY don't want to play the arbitrarily chosen number game with this one; trust me). Chris Paul has 35.

Tell me how they're in the same tier?
Let's see how he tries to spin his way outta this one, that dude uses VORP for all his arguments :lol

[AirBonner]

Cp3 has the better stats but the impact is undeniably similar

[And1AllDay]

Since you seem to be just a stats guy..

Mike Conley has one season were he had over a .200 WS/48, 5.0 BPM, or 5.0 VORP. They were all in 2017. He had a .209, 6.8 and 5.1.

Chris Paul has gone over .200 12 times. Averages .241 for his career.

He's gone over 5.0 BPM 13 times. 7.4 for his career and his numbers earlier on before 2015 or so he was in Lebron territory.

Gone over 5.0 VORP 10 times. 9 of them higher than Conley's career high.

So to recap: Mike Conley has 3 instances of going over these numbers (and you DEFINITELY don't want to play the arbitrarily chosen number game with this one; trust me). Chris Paul has 35.

Tell me how they're in the same tier?


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[HBK_Kliq_2]

Since you seem to be just a stats guy..

Mike Conley has one season were he had over a .200 WS/48, 5.0 BPM, or 5.0 VORP. They were all in 2017. He had a .209, 6.8 and 5.1.

Chris Paul has gone over .200 12 times. Averages .241 for his career.

He's gone over 5.0 BPM 13 times. 7.4 for his career and his numbers earlier on before 2015 or so he was in Lebron territory.

Gone over 5.0 VORP 10 times. 9 of them higher than Conley's career high.

So to recap: Mike Conley has 3 instances of going over these numbers (and you DEFINITELY don't want to play the arbitrarily chosen number game with this one; trust me). Chris Paul has 35.

Tell me how they're in the same tier?

Conley has had horrible teammates his entire career and been in worse situations. In 2017 his 3rd best player was 40 year old Vince Carter LOL

Mike Conley led Jazz in assist % this season and they were a 8.96 SRS team, which is more dominant team then Chris Paul has ever led.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Mike Conley:
NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2013)

CP3:
4× All-NBA First Team (2008, 2012–2014)
5× All-NBA Second Team (2009, 2015, 2016, 2020, 2021)
1x All-NBA Third Team (2011)
7× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2009, 2012–2017)
2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2008, 2011)

The differences is

- When Conley has an MVP season (2021), he's just looked at as an allstar injury replacement

- When Chris Paul has an allstar season (2021), he's looked at as a top 5 MVP

That has been the trend for their entire careers it seems.