Paul George will need to take 24+ shot attempts to win Games 6 and 7

[3ba11]

These last 2 games will be defensive wars, so his efficiency will suffer, but he's the still the best bet to score and he must keep the pressure on with high volume to make the Suns' defense work - the harder a defense works, the less capacity they have to go off offensively, aka the clippers must apply more pressure than they're facing to win the battle of attrition - George's volume is mandatory to win this battle - his best attack maximizes the Clippers' best attack.

This attrition battle represents the macro part of the game, while short micro-bursts happen throughout the game.. So a team might start a game with a quick 15-point lead by going 5-5 from three as the other team goes 0-5, but the other team might find themselves ahead by 1-point in the 4th quarter because they won the macro part of the game/attrition battle (their more effective/aggressive offense wore down the opponent's defense more, which left the opponent with less capacity for offense).. The best defense is a good offense, a tenet of all competition..

Btw, at this point, Jackson's level of play is possibly above CP3 too.


(edit: Game 6 might be a giveaway game for the Suns to prepare for Game 7, so George's high volume might only apply to Game 7)

[ShawkFactory]

These last 2 games will be defensive wars, so his efficiency will suffer, but he's the still the best bet to score and he must keep the pressure on with high volume to make the Suns' defense work - the harder a defense works, the less capacity they have to go off offensively, aka the clippers must apply more pressure than they're facing to win the battle of attrition - George's volume is mandatory to win this battle - his best attack maximizes the Clippers' best attack.

This attrition battle represents the macro part of the game, while short micro-bursts happen throughout the game.. So a team might start a game with a quick 15-point lead by going 5-5 from three as the other team goes 0-5, but the other team might find themselves ahead by 1-point in the 4th quarter because they won the macro part of the game/attrition battle (their more effective/aggressive offense wore down the opponent's defense more, which left the opponent with less capacity for offense).. The best defense is a good offense, a tenet of all competition.


(edit: Game 6 might be a giveaway game for the Suns to prepare for Game 7, so George's high volume might only apply to Game 7)

They have a 3-2 lead and are favored in game 6. Why would they throw it away..

This isn't the same as the Nets/Bucks when the Nets were clearly undermanned and took a Herculean effort to even be up 3-2.

The Suns are the better team. It took a Herculean effort for the Clippers to be alive here. The Suns are going to come out with a ton of energy in game 6.

[3ba11]

They have a 3-2 lead and are favored in game 6. Why would they throw it away..

This isn't the same as the Nets/Bucks when the Nets were clearly undermanned and took a Herculean effort to even be up 3-2.

The Suns are the better team. It took a Herculean effort for the Clippers to be alive here. The Suns are going to come out with a ton of energy in game 6.


PG and Jackson's best > Booker/CP3

PG is the best player in the series and the PG/Jackson pace nullifies Ayton

Jackson will make CP3 look old.. who knew that would be CP3's demise.. although we should've expected something like it

[StrongLurk]

Remember everyone, OP "hasn't watched" the NBA in ten years.

[3ba11]

Remember everyone, OP "hasn't watched" the NBA in ten years.


No I just started watching after the first low seed that Lebron ever had lost in the 1st Round this year

It's been a joy to watch without the abnormal shock to the competitive environment that was Lebron's super-teams and collusion teams.

I'm actually happy that the Nets got injured... No more team-hopping - we'll finally see someone learn to WIN (organic), aka Giannis

[StrongLurk]

No I just started watching after the first low seed that Lebron ever had lost in the 1st Round this year

Sure buddy, sure. We all believe you.

[ShawkFactory]

PG and Jackson's best > Booker/CP3

PG is the best player in the series and the PG/Jackson pace nullifies Ayton

Jackson will make CP3 look old.. who knew that would be CP3's demise.. although we should've expected something like it

Even if that were true..

There are lot of other people who will play in game 6.

And who's to say we'll even get their best? And if so..at the same time. Both have shown to be streaky. Jackson in particular

[3ba11]

Even if that were true..

There are lot of other people who will play in game 6.

And who's to say we'll even get their best? And if so..at the same time? Both have shown to be streaky


Yeah but I was just listening to a Suns announcer plotting strategy for Game 6 and saying they should play Bridges less - when you're advocating benching one of the brightest young players, you have nothing left and are desperate for effective strategy - Booker/CP3 maxed out with no more upside and no more strategy available, while PG and Jackson just getting started and figured out their declining opponent.. the 2 teams are headed opposite directions.. it's over.

[tpols]

If the Clippers are going to have any chance, Paul George will have to enter "Pippen mode" aka we will need him to have dominant clutch performances.

Lets see if he can do it.

[3ba11]

If the Clippers are going to have any chance, Paul George will have to enter "Pippen mode" aka we will need him to have dominant clutch performances.

Lets see if he can do it.


It's funny because here's a Pippen fan saying he defended Pippen for years against naysayers who said he wasn't that good - now he feels "heart-broken like a scorned lover" that Pippen has revealed his true colors - he's wishing he'd never defended the bum - of course we never made this mistake because we always knew Pippen was a bum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S9NOdvj1QY&t=0m57s

pippen fans reeling like, wtf?.. pippen WAS a bum?.... jordan actually DID carry this fragile, mental case?... that's what the stats said all along dummies

[ShawkFactory]

Yeah but I was just listening to a Suns announcer plotting strategy for Game 6 and saying they should play Bridges less - when you're advocating benching one of the brightest young players, you have nothing left and are desperate for effective strategy - Booker/CP3 maxed out with no more upside and no more strategy available, while PG and Jackson just getting started and figured out their declining opponent.. the 2 teams are headed opposite directions.. it's over.
You're listening to a general strategic play but people who literally are paid to discuss options all day. Given a loss just occurred of course they'll be talking about extreme things.

After game one against the Hawks there were plenty of people saying how Brook Lopez needed to basically be phased out for this series because of his PnR defense and the Hawks propensity for PnR's. Instead he's played MORE minutes and it turns out they might have just lost because Trae Young went nuts and they missed some shots down the streth and the Hawks didn't

I don't think we need to be counting on PG, Jackson, and Marcus Morris going a combined 32/50 from the field.

Booker hasn't shot well really since game 1 either. Strategies don't really matter when guys go out and just make shots, or when they don't. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Clippers 38% shooting night combined with a Booker 38 piece or something in game 6.

Basically...you're putting a lot of stock into one game where several dudes went nuts at the same time. It happens. That's why you have to win 4 games.

[3ba11]

You're listening to a general strategic play but people who literally are paid to discuss options all day. Given a loss just occurred of course they'll be talking about extreme things.

After game one against the Hawks there were plenty of people saying how Brook Lopez needed to basically be phased out for this series because of his PnR defense and the Hawks propensity for PnR's. Instead he's played MORE minutes and it turns out they might have just lost because Trae Young went nuts and they missed some shots down the streth and the Hawks didn't

I don't think we need to be counting on PG, Jackson, and Marcus Morris going a combined 32/50 from the field.

Booker hasn't shot well really since game 1 either. Strategies don't really matter when guys go out and just make shots, or when they don't. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Clippers 38% shooting night combined with a Booker 38 piece or something in game 6.

Basically...you're putting a lot of stock into one game where several dudes went nuts at the same time. It happens. That's why you have to win 4 games.


I agree - games 6 and 7 will be a defensive war, and I think PG's high volume attack is superior to Booker's (both will need high FGA's to have sufficient makes in the upcoming defensive, pressure-filled games)

And this is Jackson's coming out party .. that's how it happens.. against a legend

[000]

Hes already averaging 23 fga/game

[imdaman99]

:lol at game 6 being a giveaway game. Suns lose that and they are in danger of being 3-1'd with all the pressure in the world on them for game 7. They better find a way to win game 6.

[ShawkFactory]

I agree - games 6 and 7 will be a defensive war, and I think PG's high volume attack is superior to Booker's (both will need high FGA's to have sufficient makes in the upcoming defensive, pressure-filled games)

If that's the case then that completely nullifies Jackson and Morris, who aren't the type to be anything of note in a slogging defense-fest.

And that brings Ayton back into the game for the Suns as well, who will absolutely dominate those type of games whether Zubac is there or night. If Zubac is gone then the Clippers have a huge problem in a defensive game.

Plus you have a guy in CP3 who is excellent at controlling the pace and picking his spots. And you'll nullifying his aging inability to keep with with Jackson (something you said would be a problem for the Clippers).

You're essentially contradicting yourself. You're saying that the Clippers figured out the Suns by playing small and speeding up the pace but then that games 6 and 7 are going to be slower... in which case the suns have a clear advantage personnel wise again.

[3ba11]

If that's the case then that completely nullifies Jackson and Morris, who aren't the type to be anything of note in a slogging defense-fest.

And that brings Ayton back into the game for the Suns as well, who will absolutely dominate those type of games whether Zubac is there or night. If Zubac is gone then the Clippers have a huge problem in a defensive game.

Plus you have a guy in CP3 who is excellent at controlling the pace and picking up his spots.

You're essentially contradicting yourself. You're saying that the Clippers figured out the Suns by playing small and speeding up the pace but then that games 6 and 7 play into their hands somehow if the game slows down significantly. The suns have a clear advantage personnel wise if the pace is going to be slower.


See that's my point.. High volume from George/Jackson will be necessary to generate sufficient makes in the pressure-filled contest, but it's also how the Clippers simply win the attrition battle altogether and control the game entirely - high volume and aggressive attack from Geroge/Jackson could overwhelm and turn this into a blowout - or it could be just enough to barely win..

either way, i like the clippers - assuming both teams are aggressive with sufficient volume (assuming no one chokes with passivity), I think PG/Jackson are simply better than Booker/CP3... Only Ayton becoming a factor (not being nullified by PG/Jackson's superior pace) could make me wrong, imo

[AirBonner]

See that's my point.. High volume from George/Jackson will be necessary to generate sufficient makes in the pressure-filled contest, but it's also how the Clippers simply win the attrition battle altogether and control the game entirely - high volume and aggressive attack from Geroge/Jackson could overwhelm and turn this into a blowout - or it could be just enough to barely win..

either way, i like the clippers - assuming both teams are aggressive with sufficient volume (assuming no one chokes with passivity), I think PG/Jackson are simply better than Booker/CP3... Only Ayton becoming a factor (not being nullified by PG/Jackson's superior pace) could make me wrong, imo

Or Booker dropping 50 because you assume he won’t show.

[ShawkFactory]

See that's my point.. High volume from George/Jackson will be necessary to generate sufficient makes in the pressure-filled contest, but it's also how the Clippers simply win the attrition battle altogether and control the game entirely - high volume and aggressive attack from Geroge/Jackson could overwhelm and turn this into a blowout - or it could be just enough to barely win..

either way, i like the clippers - assuming both teams are aggressive with sufficient volume (assuming no one chokes with passivity), I think PG/Jackson are simply better than Booker/CP3... Only Ayton becoming a factor (not being nullified by PG/Jackson's superior pace) could make me wrong, imo

It's just weird to me. You've said that the pace nullifies Ayton and CP3. Ok, I can maybe get on board with that.

But if the pace is going to be slow then that plays right back into Ayton and CP3s hands. Particularly Ayton, who can do things on the boards that the Clippers can't handle.

Essentially you're going to be relying on two streaky shooters (PG and Jackson) to be on fire in ISO situations and another (Booker) to be cold. Everything else is in the Suns favor in a slow game.

[red1]

the john starks thread has me in tears


bagging groceries was harder than playing jordan's bulls in the nba :roll:

[3ba11]

It's just weird to me. You've said that the pace nullifies Ayton and CP3. Ok, I can maybe get on board with that.

But if the pace is going to be slow then that plays right back into Ayton and CP3s hands. Particularly Ayton, who can do things on the boards that the Clippers can't handle.

Essentially you're going to be relying on two streaky shooters (PG and Jackson) to be on fire in ISO situations and another (Booker) to be cold. Everything else is in the Suns favor in a slow game.


The Clippers' high volume could make it a high scoring affair, just a low efficiency one... Regardless of how it goes, the key is high volume (aggressiveness) - without it, the Clippers won't win

when PG and Jackson play their best, they nullify the Suns - Ayton is less valuable when PG is threatening a 40 point game - he simply won't be producing as much when PG is going off like that - the game becomes beyond a player like Ayton, just like it was for Gobert...

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/spot-up/?sort=PTS&dir=1

Clippers lead the playoffs in spot-ups, while no player holds the ball longer than 6.0 minutes - so those catch-and-shoots are happening via ball movement - no one player is hogging the team assists.. the ball moves on these clippers - their equitable chemistry allows them to figure out teams and adjust as needed - they aren't pigeon-holed into a few options like a lot of other teams and then forced to give up.

[ShawkFactory]

The Clippers' high volume could make it a high scoring affair, just a low efficiency one... Regardless of how it goes, the key is high volume (aggressiveness) - without it, the Clippers won't win

when PG and Jackson play their best, they nullify the Suns - Ayton is less valuable when PG is threatening a 40 point game - he simply won't be producing as much when PG is going off like that - the game becomes beyond a player like Ayton, just like it was for Gobert...

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/spot-up/?sort=PTS&dir=1

Clippers lead the playoffs in spot-ups, while no player holds the ball longer than 6.0 minutes - so those catch-and-shoots are happening via ball movement - no one player is hogging the team assists.. the ball moves on these clippers - their equitable chemistry allows them to figure out teams and adjust as needed - they aren't pigeon-holed into a few options like a lot of other teams and then forced to give up.
I mean yea no shit.

Anybody is nullified when the top 3 players on the opposing team all go off at the same time. The likelihood of that happening again is slim, as PG and Jackson are particularly streaky shooters.

But anyway, you seemed to have switched the conversation from pacing and strategy to people just hitting shots. The Suns are tactically more set up for a slow paced game. This is a fact.

If PG is going to go 15/20 with 40 again while Jackson and Morris are also on fire? Yea...not really anything the Suns can do about that. If you want to bank on that continuing to happen you go right ahead.

[ImKobe]

Not really. I think their defense and overall ball movement is more important than PG chucking the ball, especially if he's cold. What makes the Clippers great is that they have so many options offensively, they're not a one-man team. Morris, PG, Cousins & Reggie can all create their own shots and they move the ball really well on the perimeter to find the open shooter. If Clippers are going to win this, it's by shooting well from 3 and getting 20+ points from at least 3 of their guys.

[3ba11]

Not really. I think their defense and overall ball movement is more important than PG chucking the ball, especially if he's cold. What makes the Clippers great is that they have so many options offensively, they're not a one-man team. Morris, PG, Cousins & Reggie can all create their own shots and they move the ball really well on the perimeter to find the open shooter. If Clippers are going to win this, it's by shooting well from 3 and getting 20+ points from at least 3 of their guys.


Just because PG takes 24 shots doesn't mean other guys aren't eating their full meal and it doesn't mean he comes out and jacks it up in the first half.

Jackson has been thriving along PG all playoffs and without PG's volume, they won't win... but we'll see tomorrow.. the only way i'll be wrong is if game 6 is a giveaway game, but we'll see..

[ShawkFactory]

Just because PG takes 24 shots doesn't mean other guys aren't eating their full meal and it doesn't mean he comes out and jacks it up in the first half.

Jackson has been thriving along PG all playoffs and without PG's volume, they won't win... but we'll see tomorrow.. the only way i'll be wrong is if game 6 is a giveaway game, but we'll see..

Or it could go similar to game 4 where PG and Jackson still got their volume in but weren’t as hot, and Ayton dominated inside.

[StrongLurk]

Reminder to everyone, OP does not care about the current NBA or specifically Paul George. All he cares about is propping up Jordan and tearing down Pippen, either directly or indirectly.

If the Clippers lose the series, OP will simply act like he never made this thread and will come up with other random bullshit to fuel his MJ standom. And the few times he might be right with a prediction, he will act like all of his predictions have been true.

He's basically one giant MJ stan/politician.

[3ba11]

Reminder to everyone, OP does not care about the current NBA or specifically Paul George. All he cares about is propping up Jordan and tearing down Pippen, either directly or indirectly.

If the Clippers lose the series, OP will simply act like he never made this thread and will come up with other random bullshit to fuel his MJ standom. And the few times he might be right with a prediction, he will act like all of his predictions have been true.

He's basically one giant MJ stan/politician.


I already made a thread before Game 6 of the 2nd Round saying that PG was better than Pippen by virtue of carrying the Clippers to the conference finals with better performance than Pippen ever had

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494702-If-Paul-George-wins-tonight-he-s-a-legendary-all-time-great-and-gt-Pippen


So you're wrong again... And i've been watching the NBA closely ever since the first low seed of Lebron's career was eliminated in the 1st Round.. It's nice to have the team-hoppers out of the way, and see the next generation actually learn to WIN (organic), like Giannis

[StrongLurk]

I already made a thread before Game 6 of the 2nd Round saying that PG was better than Pippen by virtue of carrying the Clippers to the conference finals with better performance than Pippen ever had

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494702-If-Paul-George-wins-tonight-he-s-a-legendary-all-time-great-and-gt-Pippen


So you're wrong again... And i've been watching the NBA closely ever since the first low seed of Lebron's career was eliminated in the 1st Round.. It's nice to have the team-hoppers out of the way, and see the next generation actually learn to WIN (organic), like Giannis

Literally nothing I posted was wrong. Everyone knows that the hundreds of thousands of NBA forum posts that you've made are solely to directly or indirectly prop up MJ. You have zero attachment to anything else in the current or past NBA.

[MadDog]

No he doesn't. The Clippers just need to make shots, period. PG has played well but Reggie's balled out too.

[SouBeachTalents]

I already made a thread before Game 6 of the 2nd Round saying that PG was better than Pippen by virtue of carrying the Clippers to the conference finals with better performance than Pippen ever had

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494702-If-Paul-George-wins-tonight-he-s-a-legendary-all-time-great-and-gt-Pippen


So you're wrong again... And i've been watching the NBA closely ever since the first low seed of Lebron's career was eliminated in the 1st Round.. It's nice to have the team-hoppers out of the way, and see the next generation actually learn to WIN (organic), like Giannis
Wow, a whopping less than 2 rounds :lol And you still managed to be completely wrong on PG & Giannis predictions you made just a year or 2 ago. And that was after fellating Durant through the entire 2nd round then doing a 180 on that too

[Axe]

1-9

[Full Court]

What is wrong with you idiots? 3ball makes a thread that has nothing at all to do with Jordan or Lebron, and you obsessed, nutthugging morons STILL have to turn it into the same nonsense you do in all your other threads.

That aside, I would love to see Paul George and the Clips pull off the upset.

[AirBonner]

What is wrong with you idiots? 3ball makes a thread that has nothing at all to do with Jordan or Lebron, and you obsessed, nutthugging morons STILL have to turn it into the same nonsense you do in all your other threads.

That aside, I would love to see Paul George and the Clips pull off the upset.

Because no one can have a reasonable conversation with 3ball.

[SouBeachTalents]

What is wrong with you idiots? 3ball makes a thread that has nothing at all to do with Jordan or Lebron, and you obsessed, nutthugging morons STILL have to turn it into the same nonsense you do in all your other threads.

That aside, I would love to see Paul George and the Clips pull off the upset.
Literally the only reason he's talking about PG is to disparage Pippen. You'd be an idiot to think otherwise

[AirBonner]

Literally the only reason he's talking about PG is to disparage Pippen. You'd be an idiot to think otherwise

The thing is Kawhi is the Pippen and PG13 has actually gone further without his Pippen than MJ has without his lol

[3ba11]

So far I'm right.. Hopefully PG will go off here in a minute

[HBK_Kliq_2]

George will never get past the conference finals, even if Kawhi spots him 6 wins. Can't believe he lost to the goat flopper\choker in chris paul.

[SouBeachTalents]

George will never get past the conference finals, even if Kawhi spots him 6 wins. Can't believe he lost to the goat flopper\choker in chris paul.
Kawhi lost to him as the defending champs with a completely healthy team

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi lost to him as the defending champs with a completely healthy team

Duncan was 38 years old and Manu was a bench warmer and Parker's speed was done.

Big 3 was washed, they were lucky to get even 1 ring because of Kawhi.

[1987_Lakers]

Duncan was 38 years old and Manu was a bench warmer and Parker's speed was done.

Big 3 was washed, they were lucky to get even 1 ring because of Kawhi.

I thought Kawhi was coming back?

[AlternativeAcc.]

I've never seen OP be right about anything... literally ever

Even konex was more accurate

This guy 3ball is literally shooting 0%

[Shooter]

I've never seen OP be right about anything... literally ever

Even konex was more accurate

This guy 3ball is literally shooting 0%

+1

So sad at this point :lol

What is he, like 1 for 9?

[3ba11]

+1

So sad at this point :lol


Booker/Paul both took 25 shots, so they won - my 24 shot over/under was right

[AlternativeAcc.]

I agree - games 6 and 7 will be a defensive war, and I think PG's high volume attack is superior to Booker's (both will need high FGA's to have sufficient makes in the upcoming defensive, pressure-filled games)

And this is Jackson's coming out party .. that's how it happens.. against a legend

Nice defensive war we got

Jackson 13 pts vs CP3s career playoff high

Nice calls

[AlternativeAcc.]

+1

So sad at this point :lol

What is he, like 1 for 9?

1 for 9 is extremely generous

He's literally never been right ever

I'm talking like 0-200+

Worst of all time shit :lol