Do you think the 17 Warriors could run on the 96 Bulls?

[72-10]

:no:

[3ba11]

Pippen won't be able to score because he's expending so much energy guarding KD, so he'll be at the bottom end of his Finals range (15-21 ppg.... 34-48%)

and his 19 ppg Finals average was never enough to keep up with elite 1st options like Curry or elite scorers like Klay anyway... Klay averaged 26 in his last Finals on insane efficiency

So the Bulls lack the firepower to keep up with the Warriors - the rules have nothing to do with it - the Warriors simply have 3 elite 1st options (super-team) and the Bulls have 1 elite scorer and a bunch of defensive role players

[And1AllDay]

96 bulls vs 17 warriors NOPE

96 bulls vs grocery bagger starks, SURE

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen won't be able to score because he's expending so much energy guarding KD, so he'll be at the bottom end of his Finals range (15-21 ppg.... 34-48%)

and his 19 ppg Finals average was never enough to keep up with elite 1st options like Curry or elite scorers like Klay anyway... Klay averaged 26 in his last Finals on insane efficiency

So the Bulls lack the firepower to keep up with the Warriors - the rules have nothing to do with it - the Warriors simply have 3 elite 1st options (super-team) and the Bulls have 1 elite scorer and a bunch of defensive role players
So in one thread Klay is < Oubre, in this one he's an elite 1st option :lol

[3ba11]

96 bulls vs 17 warriors NOPE

96 bulls vs grocery bagger starks, SURE


the Bulls simply lack sufficient firepower - the Warriors have 3 elite 1st options (super-team) and the Bulls have 1 elite scorer and a bunch of defensive role players

How can Jordan win with Pippen at the low end of his Finals range (15 on 34%)??.. Pippen will be at this low end on offense because he'll be spent from guarding KD... Meanwhile, KD will have MVP Curry and Klay as sidekicks - it isn't remotely comparable.. Warriors in 6, maybe it goes 7

[Airupthere]

Current rules and no time for the bulls to adjust? The warriors win. Too much for the bulls.

[3ba11]

Current rules and no time for the bulls to adjust? The warriors win. Too much for the bulls.


MJ/Pippen wouldn't be enough for the KD super-team just like they wouldn't be enough for the super-team Celtics or Lakers in the 80's.

I like Jordan, but he isn't beating a super-team (3 elite first options) with a spotty-scoring sidekick (defensive role player) - maybe if he had a 1b like Paul George or David Robinson or AD

[TheMan]

Depends, today's rules, Warriors win, 90s rules where Harper/MJ can manhandle Curry, make Klay work to get open like Reggie Miller had to and Pippen make KD an outside shooter (he's gonna score from the outside but don't let him get to the rim), Rodman gonna take Dray out of his game with headgames, then the Bulls win. MJ still the best player in that matchup but ya gotta make it a physical low scoring affair.

[ELITEpower23]

Depends, today's rules, Warriors win, 90s rules where Harper/MJ can manhandle Curry, make Klay work to get open like Reggie Miller had to and Pippen make KD an outside shooter (he's gonna score from the outside but don't let him get to the rim), Rodman gonna take Dray out of his game with headgames, then the Bulls win. MJ still the best player in that matchup but ya gotta make it a physical low scoring affair.

Did you just compare Reggie to Klay?

And who have the Bulls ever faced that even closely resembled that type of firepower on one team?

KD, Curry, Klay, Dray, Iggy?

[FKAri]

Did you just compare Reggie to Klay?

And who have the Bulls ever faced that even closely resembled that type of firepower on one team?

KD, Curry, Klay, Dray, Iggy?

"Firepower"
"Dray"
:oldlol:

[ELITEpower23]

"Firepower"
"Dray"
:oldlol:

:lol

[Defensive] firepower haha

He was still good in 2017

[3ba11]

Depends, today's rules, Warriors win, 90s rules where Harper/MJ can manhandle Curry, make Klay work to get open like Reggie Miller had to and Pippen make KD an outside shooter (he's gonna score from the outside but don't let him get to the rim), Rodman gonna take Dray out of his game with headgames, then the Bulls win. MJ still the best player in that matchup but ya gotta make it a physical low scoring affair.


^^^ that's way too many assumptive leaps to occur all at the same time.. so no - it goes the opposite of what you said

And look at the 2017 Finals - a no-defense shootout - so the Warriors just have too much firepower, while the Bulls only have is Jordan... It would be like 89' Jordan against the Cavs all over again but I don't think Jordan could pull it out - he'd need to average 45 ppg, which he can do, but it might not be enough.. Maybe if he had a 1b getting him 29 ppg he could get it done

[97 bulls]

If both teams are healthy, the Bulls best the Warriors on 6 in this wra, and in 5 in the 90s era. The open court spacing that the league provides today would be great for Jordan Pippen and Kukoc. Rodman would be an even bigger terror on the boards in this small ball era. This is what their numbers would've looked like today

Jordan 36ppg
Pippen 23ppg
Kukoc 17ppg

[1987_Lakers]

Warriors would win, too much firepower.

I believe Vegas oddmakers right before or after the 2017 Finals said they would make the Warrors the favorites to win if the series did ever take place.

[TheMan]

Did you just compare Reggie to Klay?

And who have the Bulls ever faced that even closely resembled that type of firepower on one team?

KD, Curry, Klay, Dray, Iggy?

Yes I compared Klay to Reggie, Klay happens to play in an era precisely built for Miller. What, Klay has handles and attacks the rim as much as he shoots from the outside? Lol...

Curry can be manhandled (that's why I specifically cited if they play by 90s rules). You can limit Curry and Thompson with physicality, KD will get his points but as I said before, if they play by 90s rules and refs let them play, the Bulls defense is better and they will beat them in a low scoring game. If it's an open high scoring game, then the Warriors win it.

[And1AllDay]

Warriors would win, too much firepower.

I believe Vegas oddmakers right before or after the 2017 Finals said they would make the Warrors the favorites to win if the series did ever take place.
+1

no way not to

its a diff level with kd, curry, klay

the best offense guy bulls ever did faced is??? miller? or who?

[TheMan]

+1

no way not to

its a diff level with kd, curry, klay

the best offense guy bulls ever did faced is??? miller? or who?

The 93 Suns could score, they just couldn't defend that much :lol

[ImKobe]

No. The '96 Bulls match up really ****ing well defensively.

[And1AllDay]

No. The '96 Bulls match up really ****ing well defensively.

bruh this aint facing starks and mason :oldlol:

this is kd, curry, klay

[ImKobe]

bruh this aint facing starks and mason :oldlol:

this is kd, curry, klay

And Harper, Pippen & Jordan are disgusting on the defensive side, '96 Rodman was a menace too and would win the mental battle against Green.

If the Bulls are allowed to play physical defense, it's not going to be a pretty sight. If Matty D can shut Steph down, what do you MJ & Harper would do to him? Pippen & Rodman can both check Durant in single coverage, good luck getting any easy looks in the post. Bulls would have to put Pippen or Rodman at the 5 and start Kukoc and it would be a perfect match-up.

[1987_Lakers]

And Harper, Pippen & Jordan are disgusting on the defensive side, '96 Rodman was a menace too and would win the mental battle against Green.

If the Bulls are allowed to play physical defense, it's not going to be a pretty sight. If Matty D can shut Steph down, what do you MJ & Harper would do to him? Pippen & Rodman can both check Durant in single coverage, good luck getting any easy looks in the post. Bulls would have to put Pippen or Rodman at the 5 and start Kukoc and it would be a perfect match-up.

Imagine a 33 year old MJ chasing Curry & Klay all game on defense, he would absolutely hate it, as MJ got older Phil Jackson would often have MJ on the weaker offensive guard to conserve energy on offense, MJ would have zero breaks defensively in this series, it might even effect his offensive efficiencies.

And sorry, Rodman & Pippen can't check Durant, no player in history can check Durant. We saw PJ Tucker play great D on Durant and KD still tore the Bucks a new asshole. '17 Draymond is also a better player than '96 Rodman, gives you way more versatility.

[RogueBorg]

:no:

I think this era rules actually benefits Chicago if you can't touch Jordan, Pippen and Kukoc? Perfect for Chicago, they'll match the Warriors small ball. Rodman at the 5, Pippen at the 4, Jordan at the 3, Kukoc at the 2, Harp at the point. Jordan'll go off for 50 or 60 by himself. Pippen will give you 30 since you can't beat him up. Then who's going to guard 6'-11" Kukoc? Thompson? He'll get abused. Bulls will throw three 1st-Team All-NBA defenders at them something the Warriors have never faced. Add in the fact you'll have the greatest rebounder ever playing on Chicago...Bulls in 6.

[ImKobe]

Imagine a 33 year old MJ chasing Curry & Klay all game on defense, he would absolutely hate it, as MJ got older Phil Jackson would often have MJ on the weaker offensive guard to conserve energy on offense, MJ would have zero breaks defensively in this series, it might even effect his offensive efficiencies.

And sorry, Rodman & Pippen can't check Durant, no player in history can check Durant. We saw PJ Tucker play great D on Durant and KD still tore the Bucks a new asshole. '17 Draymond is also a better player than '96 Rodman, gives you way more versatility.

We saw a 35 y.o MJ chase Reggie through screens all series and shut him down in the 4th quarter of a Game 7.. Jordan's motor is one of a kind.

And yes, Rodman & Pippen can check Durant. PJ Tucker defended KD really well but he's nowhere near as great nor as athletic as Pip or Rodman. Pippen has the size, wingspan and leaping ability to really bother Durant's shot and Rodman has the strength and the ability to get under his opponent's skin, they'd be perfect against KD. I'm not saying they'd shut him down completely, but they'd keep him honest.

That's a really fun match-up. I know the 3PT shooting is what really favors the Warriors in this hypothetical scenario, but I do not believe they can guard the Bulls on the other end. Iggy/Green can't do what GP did against Jordan.

[3ba11]

We saw a 35 y.o MJ chase Reggie through screens all series and shut him down in the 4th quarter of a Game 7.. Jordan's motor is one of a kind.

And yes, Rodman & Pippen can check Durant. PJ Tucker defended KD really well but he's nowhere near as great nor as athletic as Pip or Rodman. Pippen has the size, wingspan and leaping ability to really bother Durant's shot and Rodman has the strength and the ability to get under his opponent's skin, they'd be perfect against KD. I'm not saying they'd shut him down completely, but they'd keep him honest.

That's a really fun match-up. I know the 3PT shooting is what really favors the Warriors in this hypothetical scenario, but I do not believe they can guard the Bulls on the other end. Iggy/Green can't do what GP did against Jordan.


PJ Tucker didn't have a 2nd option scoring role - Pippen peaks at 21 ppg in this role, which isn't enough, and he'll be at the bottom end of his range (16 on 40%) due to guarding KD

The Bulls' have 1 elite scorer and that simply isn't enough against 3 elite first options (super-team)... maybe if Jordan had a 3rd offensive star or a 1b sidekick like David Robinson, AD or PG13

[1987_Lakers]

We saw a 35 y.o MJ chase Reggie through screens all series and shut him down in the 4th quarter of a Game 7.. Jordan's motor is one of a kind.

And yes, Rodman & Pippen can check Durant. PJ Tucker defended KD really well but he's nowhere near as great nor as athletic as Pip or Rodman. Pippen has the size, wingspan and leaping ability to really bother Durant's shot and Rodman has the strength and the ability to get under his opponent's skin, they'd be perfect against KD. I'm not saying they'd shut him down completely, but they'd keep him honest.

That's a really fun match-up. I know the 3PT shooting is what really favors the Warriors in this hypothetical scenario, but I do not believe they can guard the Bulls on the other end. Iggy/Green can't do what GP did against Jordan.

MJ usually started the game guarding past prime Mullin in that series, he guarded Miller in stretches. He would burn so much more energy in this series considering he has no choice but defend either Curry or Klay at all times, 2 guys that love to run around.

[ImKobe]

PJ Tucker didn't have a 2nd option scoring role - Pippen peaks at 21 ppg in this role, which isn't enough, and he'll be at the bottom end of his range (16 on 40%) due to guarding KD

The Bulls' have 1 elite scorer and that simply isn't enough against 3 elite first options (super-team)... maybe if Jordan had a 3rd offensive star or a 1b sidekick like David Robinson, AD or PG13

Klay is not a 1st option, he's a complimentary star, who on occasion can go off from 3, but who's really limited in his game and relies too much on his teammates creating open looks for him. Curry we know can go off, but he's never responded well to physical defense, neither has Durant. Bulls have the edge when it comes to physicality and pure athletic ability, they'd win the turnover battle and they'd beat the Warriors on the boards, which combined with Jordan's scoring ability is enough to make up for their lack of 3PT shooting. Heck, I'd experiment and put Kerr in there and have him shoot 5+ threes to keep the Warriors' defense honest, we know he'd be a 40-45% volume 3PT shooter in today's NBA.

[ShawkFactory]

We think that Scottie Pippen scores 16 ppg in any scenario in 2018? Against a team with a pace generally over 100 and the spacing of today’s era?

[3ba11]

We think that Scottie Pippen scores 16 ppg in any scenario in 2018? Against a team with a pace generally over 100 and the spacing of today’s era?


Pippen lacks the breakdown ability off-the-dribble required to be perimeter star now, so he would be like Jeff Green, Marion or Iggy, not Paul George...

Pippen always got "flow" points and was a bad iso player or shooter.

Accordingly, George and Pippen don't play alike - Pippen is Jeff Green with a little Draymond, aka role player today.

Btw, today's three-point format allows ANYONE to be a "pippen"... Marcus Morris and Jeff Green scored better than Pippen because a few threes is all it takes to have more offensive impact than Pippen..

So today's format is built for Jordan - pippens are everywhere - Jordan benefits the most because he's the only player in history that commands doubles as the ball-handler and post player, so he's creating more "pippens" than anyone.. But he ain't beating no super-team with a Jeff Green (pippen)

[1987_Lakers]

I think this era rules actually benefits Chicago if you can't touch Jordan, Pippen and Kukoc? Perfect for Chicago, they'll match the Warriors small ball. Rodman at the 5, Pippen at the 4, Jordan at the 3, Kukoc at the 2, Harp at the point. Jordan'll go off for 50 or 60 by himself. Pippen will give you 30 since you can't beat him up. Then who's going to guard 6'-11" Kukoc? Thompson? He'll get abused. Bulls will throw three 1st-Team All-NBA defenders at them something the Warriors have never faced. Add in the fact you'll have the greatest rebounder ever playing on Chicago...Bulls in 6.

You would be sadly mistaken, Golden State would just run lots of zone which would expose Chicago's lack of shooting.

[3ba11]

You would be sadly mistaken, Golden State would just run lots of zone which would expose Chicago's lack of shooting.


In today's game, the Bulls' cast would be considered zero firepower and trash - NO ONE would pick a cast like that over KD's cast.. it's preposterous.

spotty scorers that play good defense are DEFENSIVE ROLE PLAYERS - Jordan won 6 chips with defensive role players against a bunch of 2-star teams... He ain't doing that against super-teams like the 80's Lakers or 17' Cavs.

[ShawkFactory]

Pippen lacks the breakdown ability off-the-dribble required to be perimeter star now, so he would be like Jeff Green, Marion or Iggy, not Paul George...

Pippen always got "flow" points and was a bad iso player or shooter.

Accordingly, George and Pippen don't play alike - Pippen is Jeff Green with a little Draymond, aka role player today.

Btw, today's three-point format allows ANYONE to be a "pippen"... Marcus Morris and Jeff Green scored better than Pippen because a few threes is all it takes to have more offensive impact than Pippen..

So today's format is built for Jordan - pippens are everywhere - Jordan benefits the most because he's the only player in history that commands doubles as the ball-handler and post player, so he's creating more "pippens" than anyone.. But he ain't beating no super-team with a Jeff Green (pippen)

Are these the same thing? Particularly when comparing without context across 25-30 years of basketball tactical shifts.

Is Jeff Green getting hot and scoring 27 in a 119-116 game mean he gave more impact offensively than Pippen scoring 19 in a game where his opponent scores 67 points?

[3ba11]

Are these the same thing? Particularly when comparing without context across 25-30 years of basketball tactical shifts.

Is Jeff Green getting hot and scoring 27 in a 119-116 mean he gave more impact offensively than Pippen scoring 19 in a game where his opponent scores 67 points?


Pippen averaged 19 for his Finals career but his opponents weren't averaging 67 points in those series.. so no.. not sure what you're talking about.

[ShawkFactory]

Pippen averaged 19 for his Finals career but his opponents weren't averaging 67 points in those series.. so no.. not sure what you're talking about.

Well you mentioned single games from Morris and Jeff Green so I thought that that's what we were doing.

Jeff Green averaged 10 ppg in the Bucks series and Morris is averaging 9 so far against the Suns.

[And1AllDay]

Are these the same thing? Particularly when comparing without context across 25-30 years of basketball tactical shifts.

Is Jeff Green getting hot and scoring 27 in a 119-116 game mean he gave more impact offensively than Pippen scoring 19 in a game where his opponent scores 67 points?

bingo

gottem :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

The Bulls simply don't have the firepower to keep up with Golden State. Yes, they had several excellent defenders, but you're not shutting down peak Durant/Curry/Klay through an entire series, and I'm not confident anyone on the Bulls outside of Jordan could give them a consistent scoring punch to keep up when the Warriors go off. Plus it's not like the Warriors were slouches on the defensive end either. I'm not saying the Bulls couldn't win, but I think Golden State wins a majority of their matchups

[And1AllDay]

Well you mentioned single games from Morris and Jeff Green so I thought that that's what we were doing.

Jeff Green averaged 10 ppg in the Bucks series and Morris is averaging 9 so far against the Suns.


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:dancin :dancin

[97 bulls]

The Bulls simply don't have the firepower to keep up with Golden State. Yes, they had several excellent defenders, but you're not shutting down peak Durant/Curry/Klay through an entire series, and I'm not confident anyone on the Bulls outside of Jordan could give them a consistent scoring punch to keep up when the Warriors go off. Plus it's not like the Warriors were slouches on the defensive end either. I'm not saying the Bulls couldn't win, but I think Golden State wins a majority of their matchups

What do you mean they don't have the firepower? What would Jordan Pippen and Kukoc numbers look like if they played today?

[Bronbron23]

:no:

Well rockets in 18 had the same team beat and they weren't the 96 bulls so i'd say probably. Be a close series though

[Axe]

We had more at least two threads of the same exact topic before, haven't we.

[hold this L]

People don't get when you put old era-teams in vs new teams, they wouldn't know how to slow these guys down. Bulls were elite defensively, they don't know how to defend perimeter D in the current current era, esp 17 Warriors. Add P&R with bigs. Bulls would need a whole season in the NBA just to get acclimated to defending the 3 and how to deal with massive space inside because of it. How to deal with P&R spams, how to deal with a Curry/KD P&R which essentially killed every team.

Imagine Bulls playing Warriors and Pip or MJ giving Curry 5 feet space away from the 3 point line. No team is beating the 17 Warriors.

[hiphopanonymous]

If it's 1996 rules, Bulls win handily. If it's 2017 rules the Warriors win handily.

If it's 2006 rules? Now there's a battle... I'm going to have to go with Bulls. Warriors depend on non-physical defense and moving screens, 2006 which is the "inbetween" rules still favors how the Bulls played.

[Axe]

If it's 1996 rules, Bulls win handily. If it's 2017 rules the Warriors win handily.

If it's 2006 rules? Now there's a battle... I'm going to have to go with Bulls. Warriors depend on non-physical defense and moving screens, 2006 which is the "inbetween" rules still favors how the Bulls played.
Interesting point rt. Stephen curry would look like a mere role player if not for these things that make-up the high-octane plays of the warriors dynasty.

[RogueBorg]

The Bulls simply don't have the firepower to keep up with Golden State. Yes, they had several excellent defenders, but you're not shutting down peak Durant/Curry/Klay through an entire series, and I'm not confident anyone on the Bulls outside of Jordan could give them a consistent scoring punch to keep up when the Warriors go off. Plus it's not like the Warriors were slouches on the defensive end either. I'm not saying the Bulls couldn't win, but I think Golden State wins a majority of their matchups

Isn't Steph Curry the guy with no iconic playoff performances and no Finals MVP's? We gonna act like his 22 ppg in the 2016 Finals never happened? We gonna act like he's gonna somehow shine against the Bulls?

[Soundwave]

There's nothing really that special about super-teaming though.

If that concept was wide spread in the 90s, you bet your ass lots of guys like Barkley or Ewing would join up with the Bulls, it just wasn't an accepted way of doing things back then.

[MadDog]

Bulls in 7 with the old rules. New rules, Warriors in 6. Under the old rules, I like Jordan on Curry and Pippen on Durant. Durant is getting his, but Pippen's build and overall athleticism makes it tough on Durant. Anyone remember Tony Allen giving him fits? Well Pippen is one of the best defensive wings ever, so it would be interesting. Klay wins the matchup vs Harper and Rodman probably wins his matchup vs Draymond. Kukoc is likely the X-Factor, and has a big series.

New rules make it difficult for PJR. They'd be called for a lot of BS fouls.

[Axe]

Game one of the 2017 wcf had the warriors trailing by more than 20 until a dirty foul play by zaza on kawhi, something that made me think they weren't all that invincible.

[000]

Isn't Steph Curry the guy with no iconic playoff performances and no Finals MVP's? We gonna act like his 22 ppg in the 2016 Finals never happened? We gonna act like he's gonna somehow shine against the Bulls?
To be fair he shouldve gotten Fmvp in 2015

[SATAN]

Rodman vs Green would be insane :lol

[ELITEpower23]

The best 1st option offensive player the Bulls faced was Reggiie Miller (Klay Thompson).
Now we're to believe they could face a team with Reggie as its 3rd option? What would they do against Curry and Durant? The 2017 Warriors team is considered the GOAT team for a reason.

[3ba11]

Rodman vs Green would be insane :lol

Curry would average 28 and Klay would average 22 as sidekicks, while Pippen averages 16

So how can the Bulls possibly win?

The Bulls don't have enough firepower - is Jordan simply EXPECTED to average 45 like he did in 93'?... Would Pippen still get all-time ranking if Jordan carried him like that again?... There's this understanding that Pippen won't have good stats and will get carried, but he's still an all-time great player - it's ridiculous but people are that dumb "6 rings doh"... that's literally how they think without realizing his stats were worse than Ben Simmons and he was carried

[ELITEpower23]

Curry would average 28 and Klay would average 22 as sidekicks, while Pippen averages 16

So how can the Bulls possibly win?

The Bulls don't have enough firepower - is Jordan simply EXPECTED to average 45 like he did in 93'?... Would Pippen still get all-time ranking if Jordan carried him like that again?... There's this understanding that Pippen won't have good stats and will get carried, but he's still an all-time great player - it's ridiculous but people are that dumb "6 rings doh"... that's literally how they think without realizing his stats were worse than Ben Simmons and he was carried

What was the best 2nd option Jordan ever faced in the Finals? Pippen outscored 5 of the 6.

[Bankaii]

Isn't Steph Curry the guy with no iconic playoff performances and no Finals MVP's? We gonna act like his 22 ppg in the 2016 Finals never happened? We gonna act like he's gonna somehow shine against the Bulls?
When talking about the 2017 Warriors you use Curry’s 2016 numbers. How dumb are you?
Should we bring up 1996 Jordan’s Finals numbers

[3ba11]

What was the best 2nd option Jordan ever faced in the Finals?





That's my point - Jordan never faced firepower from opposing 2nd and 3rd options like he would face in the 17' Warriors, so Pippen's Finals range of 15-21 ppg on horrific efficiency isn't sufficient to keep up.

Accordingly, the Bulls get curb-stomped because they have 1 elite scorer (MJ) and the Warriors have 3 (super-team).. It's intuitive, but people can't accept obvious facts staring them in the face if it differs from the preferred narrative they have in their head...

Btw, the Bulls can't offset the talent deficit with strategy/brand because those Warriors had the cutting edge brand of their era

[And1AllDay]

That's my point - Jordan never faced firepower from opposing 2nd and 3rd options like he would face in the 17' Warriors, so Pippen's Finals range of 15-21 ppg on horrific efficiency isn't sufficient to keep up.

Accordingly, the Bulls get curb-stomped because they have 1 elite scorer (MJ) and the Warriors have 3 (super-team).. It's intuitive, but people can't accept obvious facts staring them in the face if it differs from the preferred narrative they have in their head...

Btw, the Bulls can't offset the talent deficit with strategy/brand because those Warriors had the cutting edge brand of their era

you took 3 paragraphs to say mike beat cupcakes

[Micku]

I don't think the Bulls have the firepower to match up to the GSW 17 firepower, but they got the defensive guys to do so.

And it really does depend on the rules as well. If the Rockets 18 can take the GSW 18 to seven games, I think the Bulls 96 could with the GSW 17....depending on the circumstances. The Bulls could slow down the pace, and that's to their advantage. But they don't have a center or pf that could punish them inside when they do their death ball line up. It's just a different style of b-ball. But I feel like they have the core to be the match up well.

For me, I'll give it to the GSW 17 if I have to take a pick. They have the most talent and they fit well together. But honestly, there is so many nuances and factors.

[3ba11]

you took 3 paragraphs to say mike beat cupcakes


Mike beat the same kind of teams we see in the playoffs this year or the last couple years - 2-star teams

And Mike had cupcakes on his own team.. Ultimately, winning with super-teams is meaningless.. Only rings without super-teams or 1b's matter

[SouBeachTalents]

Mike beat the same kind of teams we see in the playoffs this year or the last couple years - 2-star teams

And Mike had cupcakes on his own team.. Ultimately, winning with super-teams is meaningless.. Only rings without super-teams or 1b's matter
Beating only non super-teams is meaningless

[3ba11]

Beating only non super-teams is meaningless


Lebron never beat a super-team

And beating super-teams with super-teams means nothing.. Only non-super-team rings matter and rings without 1b's

[3ba11]

Tbh, Kawhi's ring in 2019 takes the cake because he didn't have a super-team and beat a dominant version of Curry/Klay (31 and 26 ppg), while Lebron had a super-team but needed 7 games to beat the choking baby version of Curry/Klay (22 and 16 ppg).. Plus he had the Draymond suspension.

[SouBeachTalents]

Tbh, Kawhi's ring in 2019 takes the cake because he didn't have a super-team and beat a dominant version of Curry/Klay (31 and 26 ppg), while Lebron had a super-team but needed 7 games to beat the choking baby version of Curry/Klay (22 and 16 ppg).. Plus he had the Draymond suspension.
Klay missed more time in 2019 than Dray did in '16, but don't let facts get in the way of your agenda :lol

[3ba11]

Klay missed more time in 2019 than Dray did in '16, but don't let facts get in the way of your agenda :lol


KD played a quarter and scored 12 points to win a game, so that makes up for Klay missing slightly more than 1 game

[8Ball]

Warriors would win, too much firepower.

I believe Vegas oddmakers right before or after the 2017 Finals said they would make the Warrors the favorites to win if the series did ever take place.

There's no team in history that could match the 2017 Warriors. None.

The only way to do it would be to remove the 3 point line.

[red1]

that amount of shooting is overkill

you have curry klay or kd getting an open shot every time, all 40%+ 3-point shooters. plus they're all unselfish and pass the ball - no iso bullshit here unless its kd who is unguardable.


I'll take the warriors with ease. you have dray and iggy saving all of their energy to guard the bulls stars meanwhile jordan and pippen would have to work their ass off on both ends of the floor. its hardly even fair.

[SouBeachTalents]

that amount of shooting is overkill

you have curry klay or kd getting an open shot every time. plus they're all unselfish and pass the ball - no iso bullshit here unless its kd who is unguardable.


I'll take the warriors with ease. you have dray and iggy saving all of their energy to guard the bulls stars meanwhile jordan and pippen would have to work their ass off on both ends of the floor. its hardly even fair.
And we're talking a past prime, 33 year old Jordan to boot, while all the Warriors stars are 5 years younger

[MadDog]

that amount of shooting is overkill

you have curry klay or kd getting an open shot every time, all 40%+ 3-point shooters. plus they're all unselfish and pass the ball - no iso bullshit here unless its kd who is unguardable.


I'll take the warriors with ease. you have dray and iggy saving all of their energy to guard the bulls stars meanwhile jordan and pippen would have to work their ass off on both ends of the floor. its hardly even fair.

Jordan and Pippen were better athletes than Curry and Durant. I'd bet on Curry/Durant gassing quicker than Jordan and Pippen. Same thing with Dray and Rodman. Phil still claims Rod is one of the greatest athletes he ever saw.

[MadDog]

And we're talking a past prime, 33 year old Jordan to boot, while all the Warriors stars are 5 years younger

Jordan wasn't past his prime at 33. He was 33 in the 96 playoffs. :oldlol: