Reminder that 22 year old PG took the Heat Big 3 to a Game 7 in 2013

[90sgoat]

PG took Lebron, Wade and Bosh to a game 7 with teammates Roy Hibbert, David West and ?

Swap PG with Lebron and Miami win in 4 or 5 tops.

[ShawkFactory]

That was a very well coached and strong defensive team.

[1987_Lakers]

Reminder that a Klay Thompson type player with worse defense took MJ, Pippen, & Phil to a game 7 in 1998.

[Bronbron23]

That was a very well coached and strong defensive team.

This. They were typical 90's type of a team. Just goes to show how tough the 90's were.

[000]

Pg13 always been a beast

[SouBeachTalents]

David West outscored Wade and Hibbert destroyed Bosh that series

[ShawkFactory]

This. They were typical 90's type of a team. Just goes to show how tough the 90's were.

I mean shit Hibbert did like 22/11 for the series.

Looking at the numbers, lebron vastly outplayed PG.

[90sgoat]

Heat shouldn't have made the finals.

The refs rigged game 6 and game 7.

[SouBeachTalents]

Heat shouldn't have made the finals.

The refs rigged game 6 and game 7.
The Game 6 the Pacers won by 14 and the Game 7 Miami won by 23? Ok retard :lol

[ShawkFactory]

The Game 6 the Pacers won by 14 and the Game 7 Miami won by 23? Ok retard :lol

Code for “I’m out: troll time”

[And1AllDay]

all the 3baLLLLLLL alts are up and about today


weeeeeeee :oldlol:

[Reggie43]

How do guys not remember Hibbert going Kareem on the Heat frontline? Add in David West, George Hill with a great coach in Vogel and thats basically a very good team with strong leadership which George was lucky to be in.

[DoctorP]

Reminder that a Klay Thompson type player with worse defense took MJ, Pippen, & Phil to a game 7 in 1998.


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[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Reminder that a Klay Thompson type player with worse defense took MJ, Pippen, & Phil to a game 7 in 1998.

Pippen was ass in the 98 playoff run if you actually watched it. Kukoc was their 2nd best player that series and in the playoffs.

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen was ass in the 98 playoff run if you actually watched it. Kukoc was their 2nd best player that series and in the playoffs.
Yet Pippen outscored every opponents 2nd option, and was less than a point away from outscoring the Nets & Pacers first option. Speaks to how weak their competition was that Pippen playing like ass was always better than the opposing teams 2nd option

[Axe]

Vogel, who was said to be retarded, was also responsible for being the master mind of that team.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Yet Pippen outscored every opponents 2nd option, and was less than a point away from outscoring the Nets & Pacers first option. Speaks to how weak their competition was that Pippen playing like ass was always better than the opposing teams 2nd option

Efficiency matters dummy

Rik Smits was better and scored better

16.6 PPG on 46 TS% or 16.3 PPG on 63 TS% :hammerhead:

Most teams 4-9 options were much better than Chicago's too. They were top heavy. Rodman was probably their 4th best player and he was washed. He couldn't even make it to 20 games before the Lakers cut him next season :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Efficiency matters dummy

Rik Smits was better and scored better

16.6 PPG on 46 TS% or 16.3 PPG on 63 TS% :hammerhead:

Most teams 4-9 options were much better than Chicago's too. They were top heavy. Rodman was probably their 4th best player and he was washed. He couldn't even make it to 20 games before the Lakers cut him next season :lol
True, Pippen had very poor efficiency against the Pacers, but he also managed to outrebound and average more blocks than the 7'4 Smits, on top of playing excellent defense, so nah, just having a higher efficiency doesn't cut it :lol

And who cares about 4-9 options when Pippen & Kukoc were consistently better than the oppositions 2nd & 3rd options, while Jordan had the daunting task of outscoring the likes of Sherman Douglas, Glen Rice & Reggie Miller :lol

[3ba11]

Only Lebron formed a super-team, so only he won the East from 11-18'

If Dwight teamed up with Wade/Bosh after winining the conference without them in 09', he would make a bunch of Finals in a row too... anyone would, and most guys would win the title every year too... Lebron only went 2/4 after teaming up with Kobe-Pau II

[SouBeachTalents]

Only Lebron formed a super-team, so only he won the East from 11-18'

If Dwight teamed up with Wade/Bosh after winining the conference without them in 09', he would obviously make a bunch of Finals in a row.
Yeah, like he did with the Lakers :lol

[3ba11]

Yeah, like he did with the Lakers :lol


He was obviously post-injury and a shell

09' Dwight would win the weak East every year with Wade/Bosh..

Heck, Trae is about to win the conference with nothing, while Kawhi won the conference on his vacation and Butler won it with an injury-riddled team... Only Lebron's super-teams interrupted a trend of 1-star teams winning the conference (AI, Kidd and Dwight before the super-teams... Butler, Trae and Kawhi after.. )

[basketballcat]

Reminder that a Klay Thompson type player with worse defense took MJ, Pippen, & Phil to a game 7 in 1998.
Reggie Miller: 17.4 ppg
Rik Smits: 16.3 ppg
Dale Davis: 10.4 ppg
Mark Jackson: 10.0 ppg, led both teams in assists

[3ba11]

Reggie Miller: 17.4 ppg
Rik Smits: 16.3 ppg
Dale Davis: 10.4 ppg
Mark Jackson: 10.0 ppg, led both teams in assists


Reggie Miller and Pippen faced the same opponent in the playoffs 6 times....



R Miller vs. 90' Pistons..... 20.7 on 57%... 17.9 usage
Pippen. vs. 90' Pistons..... 16.6 on 43%... 20.4 usage

R Miller vs 93' Knicks....... 31.5 on 53%... 27.5 usage
Pippen. vs 93' Knicks....... 22.5 on 51%... 28.4 usage

R Miller vs 94' Knicks....... 24.7 on 44%... 30.1 usage
Pippen. vs 94' Knicks....... 21.7 on 41%... 31.7 usage

R Miller vs 95' Magic........ 25.9 on 52%... 26.2 usage
Pippen. vs 95' Magic........ 19.0 on 42%... 23.1 usage

R Miller vs 00' Lakers....... 24.3 on 41%... 25.0 usage
Pippen. vs 00' Lakers....... 15.1 on 43%... 19.5 usage
Pippen. vs 99' Lakers....... 18.3 on 33%... 23.5 usage

R Miller 98' ECF............... 17.4 on 41%... 21.1 usage
Pippen. 98' ECF............... 16.6 on 39%... 26.0 usage


Miller's superior play explains why he had numerous great teams and historic runs without a single all-star teammate, while Pippen was barely .500 in 1995 before MJ came back and carried him to another 3-peat (pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs).

Ultimately, the Shaq/Kobe Lakers or the MJ Bulls were nearly beaten by Smits/Miller, so Smits/MJ would win every year with that same Pacer cast.. Pippen is just the low-producing bum that arrived after the super-team 80's - expansion had spread the talent around evenly so 2-star teams could win - anyone wins alongside GOAT in a 2-star vs 2-star format.. If only Woolridge could've been so lucky to play with prime MJ in a 2-star format (90's), instead of rookie MJ in a super-team format (80's).

[And1AllDay]

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[3ba11]

Reggie Miller and Pippen faced the same opponent in the playoffs 6 times....



R Miller vs. 90' Pistons..... 20.7 on 57%... 17.9 usage
Pippen. vs. 90' Pistons..... 16.6 on 43%... 20.4 usage

R Miller vs 93' Knicks....... 31.5 on 53%... 27.5 usage
Pippen. vs 93' Knicks....... 22.5 on 51%... 28.4 usage

R Miller vs 94' Knicks....... 24.7 on 44%... 30.1 usage
Pippen. vs 94' Knicks....... 21.7 on 41%... 31.7 usage

R Miller vs 95' Magic........ 25.9 on 52%... 26.2 usage
Pippen. vs 95' Magic........ 19.0 on 42%... 23.1 usage

R Miller vs 00' Lakers....... 24.3 on 41%... 25.0 usage
Pippen. vs 00' Lakers....... 15.1 on 43%... 19.5 usage
Pippen. vs 99' Lakers....... 18.3 on 33%... 23.5 usage

R Miller 98' ECF............... 17.4 on 41%... 21.1 usage
Pippen. 98' ECF............... 16.6 on 39%... 26.0 usage


Miller's superior play explains why he had numerous great teams and historic runs without a single all-star teammate, while Pippen was barely .500 in 1995 before MJ came back and carried him to another 3-peat (pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs).

Ultimately, the Shaq/Kobe Lakers or the MJ Bulls were nearly beaten by Smits/Miller, so Smits/MJ would win every year with that same Pacer cast.. Pippen is just the low-producing bum that arrived after the super-team 80's - expansion had spread the talent around evenly so 2-star teams could win - anyone wins alongside GOAT in a 2-star vs 2-star format.. If only Woolridge could've been so lucky to play with prime MJ in a 2-star format (90's), instead of rookie MJ in a super-team format (80's).





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[And1AllDay]

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[ShawkFactory]

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Oh damn you're a usage guy now? I done seent it all :lol

[basketballcat]

Reggie Miller and Pippen faced the same opponent in the playoffs 6 times....



R Miller vs. 90' Pistons..... 20.7 on 57%... 17.9 usage
Pippen. vs. 90' Pistons..... 16.6 on 43%... 20.4 usage

R Miller vs 93' Knicks....... 31.5 on 53%... 27.5 usage
Pippen. vs 93' Knicks....... 22.5 on 51%... 28.4 usage

R Miller vs 94' Knicks....... 24.7 on 44%... 30.1 usage
Pippen. vs 94' Knicks....... 21.7 on 41%... 31.7 usage

R Miller vs 95' Magic........ 25.9 on 52%... 26.2 usage
Pippen. vs 95' Magic........ 19.0 on 42%... 23.1 usage

R Miller vs 00' Lakers....... 24.3 on 41%... 25.0 usage
Pippen. vs 00' Lakers....... 15.1 on 43%... 19.5 usage
Pippen. vs 99' Lakers....... 18.3 on 33%... 23.5 usage

R Miller 98' ECF............... 17.4 on 41%... 21.1 usage
Pippen. 98' ECF............... 16.6 on 39%... 26.0 usage


Miller's superior play explains why he had numerous great teams and historic runs without a single all-star teammate, while Pippen was barely .500 in 1995 before MJ came back and carried him to another 3-peat (pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs).

Ultimately, the Shaq/Kobe Lakers or the MJ Bulls were nearly beaten by Smits/Miller, so Smits/MJ would win every year with that same Pacer cast.. Pippen is just the low-producing bum that arrived after the super-team 80's - expansion had spread the talent around evenly so 2-star teams could win - anyone wins alongside GOAT in a 2-star vs 2-star format.. If only Woolridge could've been so lucky to play with prime MJ in a 2-star format (90's), instead of rookie MJ in a super-team format (80's).

Total non sequitur.

The topic is PG, then this was brought up: "Reminder that a Klay Thompson type player with worse defense took MJ, Pippen, & Phil to a game 7 in 1998." As per data from that series, it's misrepresentation to imply that Miller did so phenomenally well that he willed the Pacers to a game 7 against the Bulls. That's Lebron-type stuff (e.g. 2016), which very clearly Miller did not do on this series. The Miller statement pertains to this series. Every other data point outside it is largely irrelevant. No idea how Pippen found his way into your analysis.

bottom line: Miller was barely the top dog for the Pacers on that series. It was more like Jordan and Co. vs a very good team which happens to have Reggie Miller. Replace Miller with Ray Allen or Steve Smith and the Pacers probably won't weaken too much. Le'ts not leave out the fact that Bird, the Pacers coach, was coach of the year. Miller was an important part of a large machine, but he was not phenomenal or irreplaceable.

Gamescores:
Bulls were top-heavy:
Jordan: 22.4
Pippen: 13.0
Kukoc: 12.6
Longley: 6.2

Pacers were more balanced:
Miller: 11.6
Smits: 10.9
D Davis: 9.8
Jackson: 8.3
A Davis: 8.3

[basketballcat]

Miller's superior play explains why he had numerous great teams and historic runs without a single all-star teammate
Your analysis falls apart from the beginning because your premise is wrong. Rik Smits was an All Star in 1998 (the year of the Pacers vs Bulls series in question). Bird was coach of the year too.

[Reggie43]

Love how kids just look at the statsheet and form their opinion on what happened but Reggie Miller willing his team to two straight wins off a severely sprained ankle is as improbable as it gets especially against the Goat player and a goat level team.

You see guys missing playoff games off minor injuries and you would apreciate what he did even more, hobbling all over the court while outshooting Jordan in the clutch atleast in those games.

[basketballcat]

Love how kids just look at the statsheet and form their opinion on what happened but Reggie Miller willing his team to two straight wins off a severely sprained ankle is as improbable as it gets especially against the Goat player and a goat level team.

You see guys missing playoff games off minor injuries and you would apreciate what he did even more, hobbling all over the court while outshooting Jordan in the clutch atleast in those games.

Of the 3 games that the Pacers won, Rik Smits was the top scorer in 2. On game 6, which the Pacers won, Reggie scored 8 pts on 15.4% shooting. Let me reiterate: 8 pts on 15.4% shooting on a must-win elimination game. He was their 5th best scorer with Smits once again leading the way with 25 points. On game 3, the sole game which the Pacers won and Reggie was the top scorer, Reggie's +/- was -1.

So, at best, Reggie "carried" them to 1 win over the Bulls. Nothing to scoff at, but let's present facts as they are.

By your own assessment, you say Reggie did well on 2 won games. However, "taking the Bulls to a game 7" requires 3 wins. So, by own assessment, Reggie fell short by 33.33%. If you fly from London to New York and you fell short by 33.33%, you would be stuck in the Atlantic with an impossibly long swim ahead.

Not saying Reggie wasn't an excellent player; he was. However, to imply that Super Reggie did superhuman acts to take Jordan & Co. to the brink essentially by himself is a blatant exaggeration.

[Reggie43]

Of the 3 games that the Pacers won, Rik Smits was the top scorer in 2. On game 6, which the Pacers won, Reggie scored 8 pts on 15.4% shooting. Let me reiterate: 8 pts on 15.4% shooting on a must-win elimination game. He was their 5th best scorer with Smits once again leading the way with 25 points. On game 3, the sole game which the Pacers won and Reggie was the top scorer, Reggie's +/- was -1.

So, at best, Reggie "carried" them to 1 win over the Bulls. Nothing to scoff at, but let's present facts as they are.

Not saying Reggie wasn't an excellent player; he was. However, to imply that Super Reggie did superhuman acts to take Jordan & Co. to the brink is a blatant exaggeration.

You basically proved my point by relying on stats without context. Who the heck called him super regggie or implied he was carrying the team lol. Like I said guys are missing games off minor injuries and this dude tried to play hobbling all over the court off a severely sprained ankle.

[basketballcat]

You basically proved my point by relying on stats without context. Who the heck called him super regggie or implied he was carrying the team lol. Like I said guys are missing games off minor injuries and this dude tried to play hobbling all over the court off a severely sprained ankle.

Facts can be refuted, narratives cannot. Narratives are sustained by fandom. Anyway, I tried to present the facts as they were. You can stick to the narratives that you prefer.

One last thing: "hobbling all over the court" means great effort. No question about that. However, it doesn't necessarilly mean great impact and result. Virtually all data indicates that he gifted the Pacers with 1 win, at best. Smits and Bird deserve some credit too.

Bye now.

[Reggie43]

Such a weird guy implying stuff all over the place lol. I am basically that dude that has given all those 90s Pacers too much credit to the point of overrating them but you guys has become too 3ball obsessed you think everyone has the same agenda as him.

[Axe]

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