KJ upset Magic to make WCF & outplayed Payton to mk Finals - CP3 is 1st timer

[3ba11]

And Stockton made 2 Finals, while Penny and Payton made 1 - CP3 only has inflated stats in the point guard era, which mean nothing - MJ"s comp was far better.

[Sportal]

And Stockton made 2 Finals, while Penny and Payton made 1 - CP3 only has inflated stats in the point guard era, which mean nothing - MJ"s comp was far better.

You make this thread because you ****ed yourself yesterday, bravo.

3ball talking in the "If cp3 had Malone for 17 years":
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495277-Now-imagine-if-CP3-had-a-Karl-Malone-for-17-straight-playoffs


CP3 had way more stacked casts than the Jazz and didn't do shit


Great, so you admit MJ's toughest playoff competition wasn't talented at all


Thanks for clearing that up

[1987_Lakers]

CP3 had way more stacked casts than the Jazz and didn't do shit

There it is, 3ball admitting MJ comp was trash.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495277-Now-imagine-if-CP3-had-a-Karl-Malone-for-17-straight-playoffs

[And1AllDay]

You make this thread because you ****ed yourself yesterday, bravo.

3ball talking in the "If cp3 had Malone for 17 years":
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495277-Now-imagine-if-CP3-had-a-Karl-Malone-for-17-straight-playoffs

:oldlol::roll::roll:

[3ba11]

You make this thread because you ****ed yourself yesterday, bravo.


I said Stockton can win with less because he's > CP3 - same theme in this thread.

[Sportal]

I said Stockton can win with less because he's > CP3 - same theme in this thread.

Wym, champ. You literally took a massive dump on yourself yesterday. You got caught out trying to make a narrative, and forgot your primary. That's it for you.

[3ba11]

Wym, champ. You literally took a massive dump on yourself yesterday. You got caught out trying to make a narrative, and forgot your primary. That's it for you.


Stop pretending and projecting

[SouBeachTalents]

Stockton's career high ppg was 17.2, an average CP3 surpassed 11 times. So based on OP's own formula for evaluating players, CP3 >>>>> Stockton

[MadDog]

I would take Chris Paul > Stockton and Isiah > both. Had it not been for AD's injury, Chris Paul leads Phoenix to a first round exit. That's not hating either. Is just they lucked out playing injured teams, every round.

[And1AllDay]

Stockton's career high ppg was 17.2, an average CP3 surpassed in 11 different seasons. So based on OP's own formula for evaluating players, CP3 >>>>> Stockton

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[3ba11]

Stockton's career high ppg was 17.2, an average CP3 surpassed 11 times. So based on OP's own formula for evaluating players, CP3 >>>>> Stockton


CP3 plays in the point guard era format, while Stockton played in the big man format, so you can't compare stats.

But we know that Stockton was basically B2B champs and beat Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem along the way... Otoh, CP3 is a lifelong choker or 1st timer, and therefore nowhere near Stockton.

[Sportal]

Stop pretending and projecting

No no. Look, I'll admit I bought into some of the things you've said in the past. I'll say that you've typically had a solid standpoint with facts to back it up. But yesterday, you said, that CP3 has had better teams than the Jazz, the best team that Jordan played for a title. That means you thought Lob City was better, that means you thought the Harden/CP3 Rockets were better, what? Maybe the New Orleans teams too?

It is LITERALLY over for you.

That compounds that Jordan played in a Weak Era compared to the team that the Bulls had assembled. We are done here.

[SouBeachTalents]

CP3 plays in the point guard era format, while Stockton played in the big man format, so you can't compare stats.

But we know that Stockton was basically B2B champs and beat Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem along the way... So CP3 is nowhere near Stockton.
Ah, but you can with Pippen and players from this era? Ok fakkit :lol

[3ba11]

Ah, but you can with Pippen and players from this era? Ok fakkit :lol


Pippen didn't have a breakdown handle, which is required to be a star perimeter player in today's game - guys that don't have it are role players like Jeff Green, Iggy, Pippen or Marion.. they aren't stars like Harden, KD, Lebron, PG, Booker, etc - guys with a breakdown handle..

Otoh, Stockton is a goat playmaker and would thrive in today's point guard era... Pippen wasn't even a point guard - he barely averaged 5 apg and got flow points or assists - he was a role player then and now (jeff green)

[Sportal]

Ah, but you can with Pippen and players from this era? Ok fakkit :lol

Ahahahahaha cmon 3ball... Have you been taking your meds?

[1987_Lakers]

CP3 plays in the point guard era format, while Stockton played in the big man format, so you can't compare stats.

But we know that Stockton was basically B2B champs and beat Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem along the way... Otoh, CP3 is a lifelong choker or 1st timer, and therefore nowhere near Stockton.

The '89'-'91 Jazz played at a faster pace than the '12-'14 Clippers and CP3 still managed to score more points than Stockton.

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen didn't have a breakdown handle, which is required to be a star perimeter player in today's game - guys that don't have it are role players like Jeff Green, Iggy, Pippen or Marion.. they aren't stars like Harden, KD, Lebron, PG, Booker, etc - guys with a breakdown handle..

Otoh, Stockton is a goat playmaker and would thrive in today's point guard era... Pippen wasn't even a point guard - he barely averaged 5 apg and got flow points or assists - he was a role player then and now (jeff green)
But Pippen averaged more ppg than Stockton and they played in the same era, so by your own formula, Pippen > Stockton

[3ba11]

But Pippen averaged more ppg than Stockton and they played in the same era, so by your own formula, Pippen > Stockton


Who cares about garbage time - Stockton was like MJ in the clutch of the 97' Finals, while Pippen was like Simmons:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&PerMode=Totals


Furthermore, Stockton is the 2nd greatest playmaker of all-time and played a "floor-raiser", carry-job style with those Jazz (the Jazz cratered without his ball-dominance).

So Stockton tripled Pippen's assists in the 97' Finals (9 to 3), while Jordan led the Bulls in assists with lower turnovers.. Pippen was very bad in the 97' Finals and it's actually one of his better ones.

[Sportal]

Who cares about garbage time - Stockton was like MJ in the clutch of the 97' Finals, while Pippen was like Simmons:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&PerMode=Totals


Furthermore, Stockton is the 2nd greatest playmaker of all-time and played a "floor-raiser", carry-job style with those Jazz (the Jazz cratered without his ball-dominance).

So Stockton tripled Pippen's assists in the 97' Finals (9 to 3), while Jordan led the Bulls in assists with lower turnovers.. Pippen was very bad in the 97' Finals and it's actually one of his better ones.

So which teams of CP3's did you say were better than those Jazz?

[3ba11]

So which teams of CP3's did you say we're better than those Jazz?


All of CP3's teams had star scoring options at 3rd option, while the 90's Jazz never really did..

But Stockton is superior, so he was able to stick it out with the Jazz - maybe Stockton would've won chips by team-hopping around like CP3 and playing with Drexler or Jordan, but he stayed put and learned a better chemistry/brand than CP3 can only dream... Heck, Duncan demolished CP3, after cutting his teeth on Stockton.

[Sportal]

All of CP3's teams had star scoring options at 3rd option, while the 90's Jazz never really did..

But Stockton is superior, so he was able to stick it out with the Jazz - maybe Stockton would've won chips by team-hopping around like CP3 and playing with Drexler or Jordan, but he stayed put and learned a better chemistry and brand of ball than CP3 can only dream... Heck, Duncan demolished CP3, after cutting his teeth on Stockton.

So "Lob City" was better than any team Jordan faced for a Title? Alright well...... Idk where to go from here.

So that Hawks team that LeBron swept had 4 all-star scoring options. Man... That guy is one hell of a player.

[Hey Yo]

Jig's up, chico... stone cold busted

[SouBeachTalents]

All of CP3's teams had star scoring options at 3rd option, while the 90's Jazz never really did..

But Stockton is superior, so he was able to stick it out with the Jazz - maybe Stockton would've won chips by team-hopping around like CP3 and playing with Drexler or Jordan, but he stayed put and learned a better chemistry/brand than CP3 can only dream... Heck, Duncan demolished CP3, after cutting his teeth on Stockton.
You say this like Stockton didn't play with Malone his entire career :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

So "Lob City" was better than any team Jordan faced for a Title? Alright well...... Idk where to go from here.
Yep, apparently a team that couldn't even make it out of the 2nd round > Jordan's best opponent

[Sportal]

Yep, apparently a team that couldn't even make it out of the 2nd round > Jordan's best opponent

He's forgotten that the Atlanta Hawks had an all-star scoring option as a 4th option. An opponent that that LeBron James guy swept. Wasn't he the lower seed too? I don't think it's a very good day for this Jordan fan.

[And1AllDay]

Ahahahahaha cmon 3ball... Have you been taking your meds?

he has been erradic and scary at times

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[3ba11]

So "Lob City" was better than any team Jordan faced for a Title? Alright well...... Idk where to go from here.

So that Hawks team that LeBron swept had 4 all-star scoring options. Man... That guy is one hell of a player.


The Jazz are the only Finals opponent that didn't have more talent than the Bulls, but they had a long-term brand that demolished Shaq and Duncan/Popovich.. So only MJ could beat them.

Otoh, the 91' Lakers and 92' Blazers had better-ranked defenses than the Bulls and far more scorers, while the 93' Sonics and 93' Suns had nearly-equal defensive ranking and far more scorers.. Again, only the Jazz didn't have more talent than the Bulls.

[ShawkFactory]

And Stockton made 2 Finals, while Penny and Payton made 1 - CP3 only has inflated stats in the point guard era, which mean nothing - MJ"s comp was far better.

So KJ........> CP3?

Is that the argument?

He and his boy Book just upset PG and Reggie Jackson. And according to you PG/Jackson > CP3/Booker

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Geekball trying to defend Mike again ... and yet again, making him look worse.

You never watched that era. Stop frontin, kiddo.


he has been erradic and scary at times

splitballl

No way those accounts all belong to 3ball. :lol HoopsNY def isnt him

[And1AllDay]

Geekball trying to defend Mike again ... and yet again, making him look worse.

You never watched that era. Stop frontin, kiddo.



No way those accounts all belong to 3ball. :lol HoopsNY def isnt him

i just copy pasted it haha tbh but

why dont you think hoops ny is? :oldlol:

[Sportal]

The Jazz are the only Finals opponent that didn't have more talent than the Bulls, but they had a long-term brand that demolished Shaq and Duncan/Popovich.. So only MJ could beat them.

Otoh, the 91' Lakers and 92' Blazers had better-ranked defenses than the Bulls and far more scorers, while the 93' Sonics and 93' Suns had nearly-equal defensive ranking and far more scorers.. Again, only the Jazz didn't have more talent than the Bulls.

They beat the Spurs in Duncan's first season... Is that 'demolished" to you? They beat Magic Shaq? Didn't Magic Shaq beat the Bulls with Jordan?

[StrongLurk]

OP's biggest issue is he has played BOTH sides of the fence for hundreds of different arguments...which obviously leads to him contradicting himself more than a few times. He's a politician and nothing more.

[3ba11]

They beat the Spurs in Duncan's first season... Is that 'demolished" to you? They beat Magic Shaq? Didn't Magic Shaq beat the Bulls with Jordan?


Stockton/Hornacek demolished 3 athletic all-stars on the Lakers (Van Exel/Jones/Kobe)

plus Shaq

those 98' Lakers had 4 all-stars and were Shaq's most talented team of his career

And Duncan was literally the most prepared rookie of all-time - he was the same in 98' and 08', plus he had David Robinson and Popovich - they won 56 games, but the Jazz beat them pretty easily

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

i just copy pasted it haha tbh but

why dont you think hoops ny is? :oldlol:

Been in multiple threads where he and I disagreed w/ 3bot.

Hoops is a standup guy. Haven't seen him post in a minute, but we're lucky to have an objective poster like him on ISH.


OP's biggest issue is he has played BOTH sides of the fence for hundreds of different arguments...which obviously leads to him contradicting himself more than a few times. He's a politician and nothing more.

Yup and dudes still give him legit replies. Its mindboggling.

[3ba11]

Geekball trying to defend Mike again ... and yet again, making him look worse.

You never watched that era. Stop frontin, kiddo.



No way those accounts all belong to 3ball. :lol HoopsNY def isnt him


KJ dropped 45 twice on Hakeem, while averaging 29/5/9 and doing this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVcSndz52DE


That's in addition to beating Magic to make the WCF and outplaying Payton to make the Finals (while CP3 is a 1st timer)...

So yes, KJ is far superior, but simply played in the big man era/format instead of today's point guard format like CP3...

KJ would average 30+ today..

[Sportal]

Stockton/Hornacek demolished 3 athletic all-stars on the Lakers (Van Exel/Jones/Kobe)

plus Shaq

those 98' Lakers had 4 all-stars and were Shaq's most talented team of his career

And Duncan was literally the most prepared rookie of all-time - he was the same in 98' and 08', plus he had David Robinson and Popovich - they won 56 games, but the Jazz beat them pretty easily

You know... Some of the shit you say literally suggests you didn't watch basketball back then. Are you talking about 98 when Kobe was 19? Averaging 15ppg?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

KJ dropped 45 twice on Hakeem, while averaging 29/5/9 and doing this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVcSndz52DE


That's in addition to KJ beating Magic to make the WCF and outplaying Payton to make the Finals (while CP3 is a 1st timer)...

So yes, KJ is far superior, but simply played in the big man era/format instead of today's point guard format like CP3.

https://i.postimg.cc/L8y4PCLW/ezgif-3-cf292e920ead.gif

[3ba11]

You know... Some of the shit you say literally suggests you didn't watch basketball back then. Are you talking about 98 when Kobe was 19? Averaging 15ppg?


The Lakers had 4 all-stars - Kobe was just one of them.

And 19-year Kobe was already a top player - he was getting 15 ppg with no playing time, which is why he was an all-star starter and viewed as playing the Bulls quite well that year

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/L8y4PCLW/ezgif-3-cf292e920ead.gif

:oldlol::roll::roll:

[And1AllDay]

The Lakers had 4 all-stars - Kobe was just one of them.

And 19-year Kobe was already a top player - he was getting 15 ppg with no playing time, which is why he was an all-star starter and viewed as playing the Bulls quite well that year

i love kobe, had his avy for ten years with his 81 pt game...but in 98 he got voted in for popularity you know this if you actually watched ball then

but you prob didnt