Study says roughly 40% of the USA’s coronavirus deaths could have been prevented

[Stanley Kobrick]

Public health measures such as mask wearing and physical distancing could have saved lives but Donald Trump failed to create a national response and his actions caused a lot of citizens to fail to take it seriously.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/02/11/lancet-commission-donald-trump-covid-19-health-medicare-for-all/4453762001/


after 600k US covid deaths, data and studies factually prove Donald Trump is responsible for 250k of them. and to think even that quarter million killed under his watch would have voted for him, it still would take 7.75 million more votes for him to win the popular vote

[oldtimer28]

after 600k US covid deaths, data and studies factually prove Donald Trump is responsible for 250k of them. and to think even that quarter million killed under his watch would have voted for him, it still would take 7.75 million more votes for him to win the popular vote

You're on the ignore list for this idiocy.

I get that you're brainwashed but spreading propaganda like this is just negligent.

[BigKobeFan]

after 600k US covid deaths, data and studies factually prove Donald Trump is responsible for 250k of them. and to think even that quarter million killed under his watch would have voted for him, it still would take 7.75 million more votes for him to win the popular vote

Trump listened to dr. Fauxi every step of the way. Turns out fauxi was lying

And it wasnt trump who threw all the patients into nursing homes

[Cleverness]

How many infections and deaths have been prevented by each of the following measures so far:

Travel bans
Business restrictions/closures
School closures
Mask mandates
Mass test and trace

[bladefd]

Trumpeters will do anything to throw things under the rug that happened while he was in office. He had many opportunities, but he was a horrendous president. He failed the people. He and his supporters can put up whatever childish temper tantrums they want, but it will not change anything. We will move forward as a nation and be perfectly fine.

Don't like it? Go kick rocks.

[Cleverness]

Trumpeters will do anything to throw things under the rug that happened while he was in office. He had many opportunities, but he was a horrendous president. He failed the people. He and his supporters can put up whatever childish temper tantrums they want, but it will not change anything. We will move forward as a nation and be perfectly fine.

Don't like it? Go kick rocks.

Ironic, since you are a huge fan of Trump's Covid-19 team, policies, guidelines, and state of emergency.

When asked what you think the gov't should have done, you literally said the same thing we did - lockdowns and masks. I will give you some credit though... at least you didn't completely dodge and duck like others on here.

[ZenMaster]

Trumpeters will do anything to throw things under the rug that happened while he was in office. He had many opportunities, but he was a horrendous president. He failed the people. He and his supporters can put up whatever childish temper tantrums they want, but it will not change anything. We will move forward as a nation and be perfectly fine.

Don't like it? Go kick rocks.

You're right, here it's laid out who Trump's number one guy on handling the covid pandemic, set a plan in motion to give the American people directly false information about just how dangerous the virus was.

https://files.catbox.moe/jxatnb.mp4

Good thing Trump and everyone associated with him is gone and about to be indicted, the whole organization!

[warriorfan]

.

If you only knew how bad things really are.

That account in particular is only a little over a year old. 5000+ posts and has created a thread during virtually every single hour of the day.

If I assessed the other accounts of the same person and then also looked at individual posts rather than threads created, I am confident that he has posted almost every single minute of the day, just here at InsideHoops alone. The amount of trolling and unaccounted for number of posts on other sites and other accounts is mind boggling.

Jokes aside? He's probably on disability and he's probably pretty ****ed up, be that physically and/or emotionally.

To be fair, he usually is asleep around 10 am and back awake by 1 pm EST.

https://i.ibb.co/31QZC9C/lol.png.

[rawimpact]

trump single handedly saved medicare and social security before biden stripped the former for handouts

[Patrick Chewing]

Imagine if Congress had listened to Donald Trump about closing our borders rather than call him a racist and persist with the impeachment.


I'll never forget that witch Nancy Pelosi walking the shit-infested and needle-infested streets of San Francisco telling everyone it was safe to still go out and mingle. Who knows how many people she indirectly is responsible for killing for giving them such bad information.

[Cleverness]

Imagine if Congress had listened to Donald Trump about closing our borders rather than call him a racist and persist with the impeachment.


I'll never forget that witch Nancy Pelosi walking the shit-infested and needle-infested streets of San Francisco telling everyone it was safe to still go out and mingle. Who knows how many people she indirectly is responsible for killing for giving them such bad information.

While I don't think any of that has affected the amount of cumulative infections thus far (particularly in the US), Trump went against the grain by implementing travel bans. Later on, almost the entire planet copied Trump and implemented travel bans.

To this date, Trump's travel bans remain in place around the world. This speaks volumes to the amount of support people have for Trump's travel bans - even though they haven't shown to do jack shit.

[Chick Stern]

trump single handedly saved medicare and social security before biden stripped the former for handouts
I’m just thankfully for the really strong actions he took against Russia for targeting our troops, and interfering in US elections.

[SATAN]

Trump listened to dr. Fauxi every step of the way. Turns out fauxi was lying



"Fauxi" wanted people to inject disinfectant into their bodies and UV rays under their skin. Totally. :facepalm

[SATAN]

Ironic, since you are a huge fan of Trump's Covid-19 team, policies, guidelines, and state of emergency.

When asked what you think the gov't should have done, you literally said the same thing we did - lockdowns and masks. I will give you some credit though... at least you didn't completely dodge and duck like others on here.

You are a 4chan level troll. No one actually believes you care about this shit.

[Joey Turnbuckle]

Trumpeters will do anything to throw things under the rug that happened while he was in office. He had many opportunities, but he was a horrendous president. He failed the people. He and his supporters can put up whatever childish temper tantrums they want, but it will not change anything. We will move forward as a nation and be perfectly fine.

Don't like it? Go kick rocks.

You eat other men's butthole as a hobby, so your thoughts on anything don't matter. Chinese citizens are scared of communist democrats such as yourself and Slow Biden, because you are as ****ed up Xi Ping. I'll start a thread to show you how ****ing stupid you communist activists are.

[Patrick Chewing]

Trumpeters will do anything to throw things under the rug that happened while he was in office. He had many opportunities, but he was a horrendous president. He failed the people. He and his supporters can put up whatever childish temper tantrums they want, but it will not change anything. We will move forward as a nation and be perfectly fine.

Don't like it? Go kick rocks.

Was this you??

https://media1.giphy.com/media/u8u0R51ND9L2/giphy-downsized-large.gif


Only people that put up temper tantrums are effeminate Liberals such as yourself. I mean look at that person in that famous clip. To this day you can't even tell if that was a woman or a man. All Liberals look like that. Weirdos.

[bladefd]

Was this you??

https://media1.giphy.com/media/u8u0R51ND9L2/giphy-downsized-large.gif


Only people that put up temper tantrums are effeminate Liberals such as yourself. I mean look at that person in that famous clip. To this day you can't even tell if that was a woman or a man. All Liberals look like that. Weirdos.

Meltdown :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Meltdown :oldlol:

We know you were having a meltdown. You don't need to tell us! :oldlol:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Covid was like Vietnam for Trump, he couldn't bother to fight either one.

[Patrick Chewing]

Covid was like Vietnam for Trump, he couldn't bother to fight either one.

YOU are actually a fighter though. You fight sanity every day.

[bladefd]

We know you were having a meltdown. You don't need to tell us! :oldlol:

Rent-free. :pimp:

[Axe]

Maga holds another L yet again

[ZenMaster]

Trumpeters will do anything to throw things under the rug that happened while he was in office. He had many opportunities, but he was a horrendous president. He failed the people. He and his supporters can put up whatever childish temper tantrums they want, but it will not change anything. We will move forward as a nation and be perfectly fine.

Don't like it? Go kick rocks.


You're right, here it's laid out who Trump's number one guy on handling the covid pandemic, set a plan in motion to give the American people directly false information about just how dangerous the virus was.

https://files.catbox.moe/jxatnb.mp4

Good thing Trump and everyone associated with him is gone and about to be indicted, the whole organization!


And here I was, thinking that we were going to be bashing Trump officials together :(


https://youtu.be/N0oVG9bLHP0

[j3lademaster]

Was this you??

https://media1.giphy.com/media/u8u0R51ND9L2/giphy-downsized-large.gif


Only people that put up temper tantrums are effeminate Liberals such as yourself. I mean look at that person in that famous clip. To this day you can't even tell if that was a woman or a man. All Liberals look like that. Weirdos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJkVOs0s3mw

List of things I would ideally vote for:

1) medicare for all- it actually saves money. We're getting killed by markup while the health insurance industry steals billions. Every other 1st world country has it. Our economy can support 600+ billionaires
and bail them out(which is a form of socialism), but whenever everyone else wants something. Nah, can't afford it. Also, m4all saves money. Health insurance and big pharma lobby against it because it's against their own interest, as expected. What is surprising is people actually buying it.
https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/484301-22-studies-agree-medicare-for-all-saves-money
https://www.citizen.org/news/fact-check-medicare-for-all-would-save-the-u-s-trillions-public-option-would-leave-millions-uninsured-not-garner-savings/
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext

2) free education. Or reasonable education. In 1970 state college was about $50/semester while min wage was $1.60/hr

3) gun control. I own guns. They are fun. I don't carry them around like a mallninja, I have them in a safe and a pistol in a lockbox in my nightstand drawer. I support guns being legal, but we need more checks for irresponsible people being able to obtain them. I know, I know: New Hampshire.

4) environmental awareness. We're literally the only 1st world country that still have people who think global warming is a hoax, and they're convinced by moronic cherrypicked stats about weather being warmer or cooler during certain times. This is part of why i want more education, so people realize the best way to measure global warming is to measure increase in chemicals in the atmosphere that causes it
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/policy/publicpolicies/sustainability/globalclimatechange.html
https://chemicalsinourlife.echa.europa.eu/global-warming-and-chemicals

Please tell me what seems so bad about what progressives want?

[Axe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJkVOs0s3mw

List of things I would ideally vote for:

1) medicare for all- it actually saves money. We're getting killed by markup while the health insurance industry steals billions. Every other 1st world country has it. Our economy can support 600+ billionaires
and bail them out(which is a form of socialism), but whenever everyone else wants something. Nah, can't afford it. Also, m4all saves money. Health insurance and big pharma lobby against it because it's against their own interest, as expected. What is surprising is people actually buying it.
https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/484301-22-studies-agree-medicare-for-all-saves-money
https://www.citizen.org/news/fact-check-medicare-for-all-would-save-the-u-s-trillions-public-option-would-leave-millions-uninsured-not-garner-savings/
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext

2) free education. Or reasonable education. In 1970 state college was about $50/semester while min wage was $1.60/hr

3) gun control. I own guns. They are fun. I don't carry them around like a mallninja, I have them in a safe and a pistol in a lockbox in my nightstand drawer. I support guns being legal, but we need more checks for irresponsible people being able to obtain them. I know, I know: New Hampshire.

4) environmental awareness. We're literally the only 1st world country that still have people who think global warming is a hoax, and they're convinced by moronic cherrypicked stats about weather being warmer or cooler during certain times. This is part of why i want more education, so people realize the best way to measure global warming is to measure increase in chemicals in the atmosphere that causes it
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/policy/publicpolicies/sustainability/globalclimatechange.html
https://chemicalsinourlife.echa.europa.eu/global-warming-and-chemicals

Please tell me what seems so bad about what progressives want?
Interesting. Some folks actually use guns to fend off bullying neighbors who throw big, dirty stones in the windows of their shoebox apartments. So needless to say it will be useful if you live in an area with a rowdy environment.

[MaxPlayer]

Who was prevented by Trump from social distancing or wearing a mask?

[Stanley Kobrick]

Interesting. Some folks actually use guns to fend off bullying neighbors who throw big, dirty stones in the windows of their shoebox apartments. So needless to say it will be useful if you live in an area with a rowdy environment.
:milton

[Vino24]

Anthony Fauci was named person of the year. All those deaths on his watch

[Cleverness]

Did anyone bother to read the article?

The "study" was simply a 4th grade math problem where they compared a few other countries to the US. If we matched the same number of Covid-19 deaths/pop as those other selected countries we would have 40% less.


And lol @ the Woodward clip.

j3lademaster, what was your point posting that clip?


What's the story here? That Trump downplayed all the doomsday idiots who predicted 20,000,000 Americans would be hospitalized for COVID? His instincts were correct, but Trump completely overreacted to the virus in March by following the quack science of Drs. Fauci/Birx/Adams

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1304029136441282561
Trump saying, in March, he is purposefully trying to give people hope despite Covid being a deadly pandemic.

Dr. Fauci RE Woodward's fake news: https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1303762016151232513
Dr. Fauci says that he never got the sense that President Trump was downplaying COVID-19:

"I didn't get any sense that he was distorting anything. In my discussions with him, they were always straightforward about the concerns that we had."

The fact is he followed Dr. Fauci's lead all year.

February: Dr. Fauci: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands
(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/)

Fauci: Flu a Bigger Risk in the US Than Coronavirus (https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2020/02/15/disease-expert--flu-a-bigger-risk-in-the-us-than-coronavirus)

February 29th: Dr. Fauci on coronavirus fears: No need to change lifestyle yet (https://www.today.com/video/dr-fauci-on-coronavirus-fears-no-need-to-change-lifestyle-yet-79684677616)

March 8th: "There's no reason to be walking around with a mask," infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci told 60 Minutes. (https://www.msn.com/en-ph/health/medical/preventing-coronavirus-should-you-wear-a-face-mask/ar-BB10VE1c)

March 9th: “No reason” not to go on cruise if you’re young and healthy: Fauci (https://globalnews.ca/video/6653403/covid-19-no-reason-not-to-go-on-cruise-if-youre-young-and-healthy-fauci)


Then Fauci did a 180, replaced decades of hard science for pseudoscience, and our politicians caved to media/fear/hysteria and went with draconian lockdowns for 15 days to flatten the curve (which has turned into 2 years of tyranny) http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?483846-a-vaccine-isn-t-the-end-all-be-all&p=14104037&viewfull=1#post14104037
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?483846-a-vaccine-isn-t-the-end-all-be-all&p=14104041&viewfull=1#post14104041

They predicted between 10 million to 31 million hospitalizations from COVID (LOL). Actual data from CDC so far is approx 0.4 million http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?481119-New-York-Times-These-Places-Could-Run-Out-of-Hospital-Beds-as-Coronavirus-Spreads

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14103771&viewfull=1#post14103771


Who was prevented by Trump from social distancing or wearing a mask?

Good question. We know that he urged Americans to social distance & wear pointless masks, he wore them himself, and his own guidelines and team recommended them, so "prevented" really isn't the right word here... more like Trump was responsible for the lockdowns and masks due his own guidelines and Natl State of Emergency pouring out trillions of dollars in lockdown incentives. His War on Covid-19 had a 95% approval rating from Democrats. In fact, even as late as April 2021, 85% of Democrats were still begging Trump to lock them down harder - including OP and all his alts. (https://news.gallup.com/poll/350480/life-becomes-quasi-normal-virus-fears-fade.aspx)


How many infections and deaths have been prevented by each of the following measures so far:

Travel bans
Business restrictions/closures
School closures
Mask mandates
Mass test and trace

Most importantly...

No studies showing any positive benefits of the NPIs above? :rolleyes:

[Stanley Kobrick]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJkVOs0s3mw

List of things I would ideally vote for:

1) medicare for all- it actually saves money. We're getting killed by markup while the health insurance industry steals billions. Every other 1st world country has it. Our economy can support 600+ billionaires
and bail them out(which is a form of socialism), but whenever everyone else wants something. Nah, can't afford it. Also, m4all saves money. Health insurance and big pharma lobby against it because it's against their own interest, as expected. What is surprising is people actually buying it.
https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/484301-22-studies-agree-medicare-for-all-saves-money
https://www.citizen.org/news/fact-check-medicare-for-all-would-save-the-u-s-trillions-public-option-would-leave-millions-uninsured-not-garner-savings/
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext

2) free education. Or reasonable education. In 1970 state college was about $50/semester while min wage was $1.60/hr

3) gun control. I own guns. They are fun. I don't carry them around like a mallninja, I have them in a safe and a pistol in a lockbox in my nightstand drawer. I support guns being legal, but we need more checks for irresponsible people being able to obtain them. I know, I know: New Hampshire.

4) environmental awareness. We're literally the only 1st world country that still have people who think global warming is a hoax, and they're convinced by moronic cherrypicked stats about weather being warmer or cooler during certain times. This is part of why i want more education, so people realize the best way to measure global warming is to measure increase in chemicals in the atmosphere that causes it
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/policy/publicpolicies/sustainability/globalclimatechange.html
https://chemicalsinourlife.echa.europa.eu/global-warming-and-chemicals

Please tell me what seems so bad about what progressives want?
high iq post

[ZenMaster]

Israel’s Health Ministry released data on Monday showing that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID vaccine appears to largely prevent hospitalization and serious cases, but is significantly less effective against preventing the spread of the Delta variant of the coronavirus.

According to the ministry, the Pfizer vaccine’s effectiveness in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 has dropped by some 30 percent to 64%, given the spread of the Delta variant. The data shows that during May, when the strain was less prevalent, the vaccine was 94.3% effective.

The Delta variant, which is believed to be twice as contagious as the original strain of COVID-19, is thought to be responsible for 90% of new cases in Israel over the past two weeks.

The data, however, also shows that the vaccine is still highly effective against preventing serious symptoms and hospitalization. During May, that figure stood at 98.2%, and during June, it was 93%.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-confirms-vaccine-less-effective-against-delta-variant-eyes-third-dose/

https://media.patriots.win/post/eUsBbjJm.jpeg

[Mr. Woke]

Trump obviously handled the pandemic in the worst way possible.

[j3lademaster]

j3lademaster, what was your point posting that clip?The post I was replying to was replying to another post stating Trump swept the dangers of Covid under the rug. I provided a clip showing that the only form of hard evidence of anyone doing that is actually Trump.

[Axe]

Trump obviously handled the pandemic in the worst way possible.
Which also paved way for a biden presidency as well. Now that's a gift.

[Cleverness]

The post I was replying to was replying to another post stating Trump swept the dangers of Covid under the rug. I provided a clip showing that the only form of hard evidence of anyone doing that is actually Trump.

Did you read my post? Fauci himself said he never got the sense that Trump was downplaying it. In fact, it was Fauci who said we should be more concerned about influenza and that the risk of Covid is minuscule. And there's plenty of evidence that Democrats and CNN downplayed the virus in February and March 2020. Are you not aware of the Democrats telling people to go out and stop worrying about the coronavirus:

Andria Borba reports on Rep. Nancy Pelosi paying visit to San Francisco's Chinatown to allay fears over coronavirus (2-24-2020) (https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/video/4460954-speaker-pelosi-visits-sfs-chinatown-to-show-support-amid-coronavirus-fears/)

But, again, those things aren't policy. Shit talking Jim Acosta and tweeting isn't policy. Trump's actual policy was a complete overreaction to the virus, and there has been a complete overreaction to the virus since March 2020.

[72-10]

I don't follow politics much, but it's clear that a lot of folks passed, and the problems imposed by COVID could probably have been avoided somewhat more had stricter measures been taken earlier on in the pandemic.