Leaked audio of woke Rachel Nichols infuriated bc black colleague was chosen over her

[getting_old]

is this for the useless job during a game where they take away 1/3 of the game onscreen and ask the coach

"how is it going"
"okay, need to tighten up on D"
"what did you say at halftime"
"you know, tighten up on D"

and this goes for over a minute, completely pointless and taking away 1/3 of my screen at the start of at least 2 quarters a game

[DoctorP]

is this for the useless job during a game where they take away 1/3 of the game onscreen and ask the coach

"how is it going"
"okay, need to tighten up on D"
"what did you say at halftime"
"you know, tighten up on D"

and this goes for over a minute, completely pointless and taking away 1/3 of my screen at the start of at least 2 quarters a game

yes. the sideline reporter should be a hot 18 year old in a bikini, quite frankly

[Clifton]

Serious question, why are we not keeping Woj locked in the basement somewhere, where only his twitter app works? He has zero charisma, doesn't know shit about the game and can't carry a conversation to save his life. Outside of having connections and acquiring news faster than others like Shams, he offers absolutely nothing productive to the NBA world. Nothing.
If a journalist who's a powerful asset wants to be on TV to gain even more of the influence and power that come from having a TV presence, you let them.

It's funny how some guys just can't do TV. Simmons was terrible on TV, not because he's bad at media but because (a) he's weird-looking and (b) he is at his best when having a leisurely conversation... yet the same two things are probably true of Charles Barkley and he's great at TV. I don't understand it.

[guy]

What is this based off? Because she has black supporters (athletes and in the field she’s in) that support her when this all broke out.

From what I can tell, the black supporters are those that have worked with her alot and know her well. This wouldn't be a controversy if there weren't a ton of people, many of whom are black, that had an issue with the comments.

I could be wrong, but I just think it doesn't really matter if she's Diane Sawyer's daughter-in-law or whatever other connections she has. No one is going to care about that stuff in this situation. The NBA is bigger than that. Maybe even more importantly, you can't really get over awkwardness.

[PP34Deuce]

Why are Ish posters making this racial?? It's not racial at all. Rachel Nichols doesn't come off racist at all. She comes off as a hard working older woman who sees a younger woman (13 years younger) taking his spot. This is all about competition.

The NBA players like Rachel but Maria Taylor is a former Div 1 athlete so of course they will root for her in brotherhood/sisterhood. Most of these guys wants analyst and reporter jobs when they retire. Plus she's black in a male dominated industry.

Maria knows sports more and I'm sure Rachel would admit that. Rachel knows how to interview though.

[PP34Deuce]

If a journalist who's a powerful asset wants to be on TV to gain even more of the influence and power that come from having a TV presence, you let them.

It's funny how some guys just can't do TV. Simmons was terrible on TV, not because he's bad at media but because (a) he's weird-looking and (b) he is at his best when having a leisurely conversation... yet the same two things are probably true of Charles Barkley and he's great at TV. I don't understand it.

I've seen Black female viewers make this a larger deal than the men. Men could care less if it's maria taylor or rachel nichols. Black women see this as win for Maria and have get out complex with women like Rachel that are comfortable in black circles.

[Charlie Sheen]

Serious question, why are we not keeping Woj locked in the basement somewhere, where only his twitter app works? He has zero charisma, doesn't know shit about the game and can't carry a conversation to save his life. Outside of having connections and acquiring news faster than others like Shams, he offers absolutely nothing productive to the NBA world. Nothing.

He must have asked to be on talk shows on his contract for him to officially join them, because I have no idea why anyone would think it ever made sense to put that robot on TV.

I think woj and schefter are the worst things to happen to sports journalism. They ushered in the mindset of being first is all that matters. I also don't like their invasive reporting on medicals.

[MaxPlayer]

I think woj and schefter are the worst things to happen to sports journalism. They ushered in the mindset of being first is all that matters. I also don't like their invasive reporting on medicals.

I too yearn for the salad days of David Aldridge and John Clayton

[Bronbron23]

Emotion has everything to do with it. Again you nitwit all your replies is n word m word b*tch b*tvh n word. Weird. You can use whatever word but you’re setting a bad precedent where with freely using it. Opens it up for others non blacks like yourself to use it. Been on this board for years and no one has slung that word around as much as you have in a short few days. Sad part is you can’t check yourself on it. This board is predominantly white. But you wouldn’t know that

Bruh me using an alternative use of the n word on this forum isn't influencing anyone. Most people on here have already made up their mind who they are. It's not like there's a bunch of 12 year olds on here who are easily influenced. If i was in public where there were white people or other black people i wouldn't use the word. I only use it around other blacks who use it also. I'll use it here because it's an online sports forum. Have u seen some of the shit said qnd posted on here? This place is beyond saving.

[Bronbron23]

I think affirmative action is bullshit. If 90% of the engineers i hire are asians from MIT and Cal Tech, that should be my prerogative. As long as I can prove I'm objectively looking for the best candidate each time. But the need to 'diversify' is ESPN adjusting to what the market wants(or at least what they think the market wants). If they think hiring a black female will draw in from viewership from certain demographics they'll do that. No one cares about credentials in entertainment, or every sports journalist will be ivy leaguers and every actor/ musician will be from the Juilliard. People don't get jobs in the entertainment industry on accident. Sure not all of them pan out because you can't 100% predict how the viewers will react to them, but at the time they decide to give you a job is because they see you as their biggest chance at monetary gain.

I read a quote from some big shot hollywood producer once, and it really stuck with me. To paraphrase it was something along the lines of "I think it's great you graduated from the Juilliard. But people don't like you. I can't sell you".

I don't even think it's b.s. the intention of affirmative action makes absolute sense. Blacks were held back for over 500 years.This would have a lasting effect on any group of people. Affirmative action was created to help blacks catch up so to speak. That said i Don't expect white people who had nothing to with slavery or racism today to be ok with losing an opportunity to someone less qualified because of it. Both sides have a point. It's just a messed up situation.

[tpols]

I don't even think it's b.s. the intention of affirmative action makes absolute sense. Blacks were held back for over 500 years.This would have a lasting effect on any group of people. Affirmative action was created to help blacks catch up so to speak. That said i Don't expect white people who had nothing to with slavery or racism today to be ok with losing an opportunity to someone less qualified because of it. Both sides have a point. It's just a messed up situation.

that's true but it hurts Asians on the other end. Competition so high and they can only take a certain %. And a lot of them came from poor situations too.

[j3lademaster]

I don't even think it's b.s. the intention of affirmative action makes absolute sense. Blacks were held back for over 500 years.This would have a lasting effect on any group of people. Affirmative action was created to help blacks catch up so to speak. That said i Don't expect white people who had nothing to with slavery or racism today to be ok with losing an opportunity to someone less qualified because of it. Both sides have a point. It's just a messed up situation.The problem with affirmative action is that in practice it's actually regressive and even belittling to blacks.

https://almostblack.com/


Once upon a time, I was an ethically challenged, hard-partying Indian American frat boy enjoying my third year of college. That is until I realized I didn’t have the grades or test scores to get into medical school.

Legitimately.

Still, I was determined to be a doctor and discovered that affirmative action provided a loophole that might help.

The only problem? I wasn’t a minority. So I became one.

Not everything went as planned. During a med school interview, an African American doctor angrily confronted me for not being black. Cops harassed me. Store clerks accused me of shoplifting. Women were either scared of me or found my bald black dude look sexually mesmerizing. What started as a scam to get into med school turned into a twisted social experiment, teaching me lessons I would never have learned in the classroom.

I became a serious contender at some of America’s greatest schools, including Harvard, Wash U, UPenn, Case Western, George Washington, Pitt, Yale, Rochester, Nebraska, and Columbia. I interviewed at 11 schools while posing as a black man. After all that, I finally got accepted into medical school.

Literally the only thing he changed to get into med school was his ethnicity. And he does outline getting harassed by cops and store clerks for 'looking black' so of course it's not all roses here. Systemic racism surely is a thing.

But all in all, I think if I were a black man who worked my butt off got that fancy degree and that fancy corporate lawyer or surgeon job I would be insulted by Affirmative action.

I do agree with you that I like the spirit of it. I'm all for a law that prohibits the EXCLUSION of someone simply due to race. But affirmative action actually encourages exclusion... for asians and indians.

[MaxPlayer]

Can't fight racism with racism

[Bronbron23]

The problem with affirmative action is that in practice it's actually regressive and even belittling to blacks.

https://almostblack.com/



Literally the only thing he changed to get into med school was his ethnicity. And he does outline getting harassed by cops and store clerks for 'looking black' so of course it's not all roses here. Systemic racism surely is a thing.

But all in all, I think if I were a black man who worked my butt off got that fancy degree and that fancy corporate lawyer or surgeon job I would be insulted by Affirmative action.

I do agree with you that I like the spirit of it. I'm all for a law that prohibits the EXCLUSION of someone simply due to race. But affirmative action actually encourages exclusion... for asians and indians.

Yeah for sure. I guess what I'm saying is the intentions are good but it's not necessarily applied in the best way.

[Bronbron23]

that's true but it hurts Asians on the other end. Competition so high and they can only take a certain %. And a lot of them came from poor situations too.

Well it ends up hurting alot of people. Blacks included

[Bronbron23]

Can't fight racism with racism

True but can't just pray or hope it away either. Sometimes violence is the best answer unfortunately

[MaxPlayer]

True but can't just pray or hope it away either. Sometimes violence is the best answer unfortunately

In the context of employment, I can't really agree with this. If someone doesn't want to give you a job, it's totally appropriate to try to persuade them to change their mind. And if they still won't, then at some point you kind of have to just figure its their loss and move on. At no point is it appropriate to employ violence against the employer in order to secure yourself the job.

Now, if we're talking about using violence to combat racism in other contexts, like defending yourself from the police or a lynch mob, then that's a different story.

[j3lademaster]

True but can't just pray or hope it away either. Sometimes violence is the best answer unfortunatelyum... I would have said education, but I guess it's hard to argue against the effectiveness of violence and fear. I guess it depends on what our definitions of 'better' is.

[rawimpact]

Haahhhh

Love it when these puppets realize affirmative action means replacing competent individuals for lesser qualified ones based on skin color. Sound familiar? Affirmative action = racism.

Helping blacks by making them props doesnt do anything... the poverty cycle never ends. It starts at home and with educational opportunity and I'll leave it at that since this is the NBA forum.

[PP34Deuce]

Affirmative Action was needed at one point. But at the end of the day, it;s a bout job survival.

If you're white, you want to preserve your spot
If you're asian, you don't give a damn as long as there's opportunity for you.

Women are naturally territorial.

[Bronbron23]

In the context of employment, I can't really agree with this. If someone doesn't want to give you a job, it's totally appropriate to try to persuade them to change their mind. And if they still won't, then at some point you kind of have to just figure its their loss and move on. At no point is it appropriate to employ violence against the employer in order to secure yourself the job.

Now, if we're talking about using violence to combat racism in other contexts, like defending yourself from the police or a lynch mob, then that's a different story.

Yeah agreed

[Bronbron23]

Haahhhh

Love it when these puppets realize affirmative action means replacing competent individuals for lesser qualified ones based on skin color. Sound familiar? Affirmative action = racism.

Helping blacks by making them props doesnt do anything... the poverty cycle never ends. It starts at home and with educational opportunity and I'll leave it at that since this is the NBA forum.

Well it's not always the case that competent individuals are being replaced by less competent individuals. Plenty of white people in high positions have got their jobs due to nepotism and plenty of these people didn't really earn their jobs. Sometimes affirmative action works sometimes it dosnt. In the cases where it dosn't is where white people have a right to complain about it

[Charlie Sheen]

I too yearn for the salad days of David Aldridge and John Clayton

I don't know if this is sarcasm or not, but I am a very vanilla kinda dude. Either way it's an accurate representation of me :lol

[getting_old]

Well it's not always the case that competent individuals are being replaced by less competent individuals. Plenty of white people in high positions have got their jobs due to nepotism and plenty of these people didn't really earn their jobs. Sometimes affirmative action works sometimes it dosnt. In the cases where it dosn't is where white people have a right to complain about it


yes, because one is just handed their chemical engineering degree the day they were born, no work at all

[GOBB]

Bruh me using an alternative use of the n word on this forum isn't influencing anyone. Most people on here have already made up their mind who they are. It's not like there's a bunch of 12 year olds on here who are easily influenced. If i was in public where there were white people or other black people i wouldn't use the word. I only use it around other blacks who use it also. I'll use it here because it's an online sports forum. Have u seen some of the shit said qnd posted on here? This place is beyond saving.

Don’t have to be 12. You can have others start following suit thinking it’s cool and funny. Funny how you see nothing wrong with using the word here. Solid.

[Bronbron23]

Don’t have to be 12. You can have others start following suit thinking it’s cool and funny. Funny how you see nothing wrong with using the word here. Solid.

I really don't and again I'm not even saying the word. It's literally like saying frig instead of f*ck.

[GOBB]

I really don't and again I'm not even saying the word. It's literally like saying frig instead of f*ck.

You don’t get it. Cool. Moving on...



Anyway this was the best discussion on the whole Rachel Maria and ESPN ordeal

https://youtu.be/oOgEwCks1yM

I agree with Jemele and Amin

[FKAri]

Showbiz is such a crummy, mudslinging industry. Private thoughts should be kept private if that's indeed what this was.

[Bronbron23]

You don’t get it. Cool. Moving on...



Anyway this was the best discussion on the whole Rachel Maria and ESPN ordeal

https://youtu.be/oOgEwCks1yM

I agree with Jemele and Amin

I saw that earlier it was a good discussion and get it just fine we just see it differently.

And i don't disagree with anything jemele and amin said but they never really said rachel said anything wrong. They just talked about why what she said has some black people upset. All i said from jump was she had a point as far as being promised a job and being pissed that that opportunity was being taken away due to pressure on the network over diversity. I have no problems with what she said. I and every black person out there would feel the same as rachel Nichols if something similar happen to them.

Whether or not rachel is a racist i have no idea. It's always a possibility with white people. All i'm saying is what she said isn't racist and it wasn't necessarily even being fake. I'd have to see in her heart and mind to know for sure but just going on face value of her words I can't say forsure.

[dreamshake]

So is Rachel getting cancelled yet? Ugly ass needs to get off the screen

[Bronbron23]

Showbiz is such a crummy, mudslinging industry. Private thoughts should be kept private if that's indeed what this was.

It was a private convo. All in all it really wasn't that bad. I've said much worse in private about certain groups and i don't hate anyone. Sometimes in moments of frustration in private u say dumb ignorant shit. Thing is this wasn't even that. Rachel is just pissed that she's losing an opportunity that was promised to her over pressure on the network due to lack of diversity. You can want others to have success in life but at the same time not want that success to come at your own expense. That dosnt make you fake or a racist in this instance it just makes your selfish at worst and competitive and protective at best. Rachel very well could be a fake racist ass bitch i just think what she said dosn't necessarily proves that.

[Bronbron23]

So is Rachel getting cancelled yet? Ugly ass needs to get off the screen

I can't argue this. I've never been a fan of her looks or her tv personality.

[FKAri]

It was a private convo. All in all it really wasn't that bad. I've said much worse in private about certain groups and i don't hate anyone. Sometimes in moments of frustration in private u say dumb ignorant shit. Thing is this wasn't even that. Rachel is just pissed that she's losing an opportunity that was promised to her over pressure on the network due to lack of diversity. You can want others to have success in life but at the same time not want that success to come at your own expense. That dosnt make you fake or a racist in this instance it just makes your selfish at worst and competitive and protective at best. Rachel very well could be a fake racist ass bitch i just think what she said dosn't necessarily proves that.

Exactly. What I meant was its a crummy thing to be recording and putting out something like this. And this is about as innocuous as it gets for a private convo. The people in this thread jumping to attack Nichols have no perspective.

[Code Breaker]

I can't argue this. I've never been a fan of her looks or her tv personality.

She so boring and bland. How do people watch “The Jump” without getting bored :oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

Exactly. What I meant was its a crummy thing to be recording and putting out something like this. And this is about as innocuous as it gets for a private convo. The people in this thread jumping to attack Nichols have no perspective.

Yeah forsure. They're jumping automatically to racism when theirs other possible reasons why she said what she said.

[Bronbron23]

She so boring and bland. How do people watch “The Jump” without getting bored :oldlol:

Yeah i actually can't stand her but i'm not gonna jump to the worst case scenario to why she said what she said just because i don't like her.

[Shogon]

Exactly. What I meant was its a crummy thing to be recording and putting out something like this. And this is about as innocuous as it gets for a private convo. The people in this thread jumping to attack Nichols have no perspective.

She's still a hypocrite.

She's all pro BLM, pro diversity, pro left, pro feminism, etc... as long as it doesn't directly impact her in a detrimental way. It's hypocrisy of the highest order. I mean hell even within just the context of her private quote alone that is obviously proven. Even if you throw out everything you know about her outside of that quote, it proves her hypocrisy and cognitively dissonant world view.

As far as the clip goes, she didn't say anything bad. She didn't say anything racist or offensive to anyone. I don't disagree with her core complaint whatsoever because any sane and rational person would hold the exact same viewpoint regardless of their personal skin color if they were being replaced by someone else for no reason other than the color of that other person's skin color.

They either deserve to replace her, or they don't.

But that's the thing, isn't it? Pro diversity itself is automatically racist and sexist. In the modern day, the context of said viewpoint essentially boils down to... whites and white males specifically have "held power" and "benefited the most" from some grand systemic problem for too long so let's get rid of them as much as possible regardless of who is more qualified.

How'd that work out for Zimbabwe w/ farmers, which is the end game of how this viewpoint plays out?

To be clear, I don't care if someone is black or white or male or female or whatever the ****... just give me the best. If I need a surgery, I don't give a **** if it's a black lady or Indian lady or whoever... give me them any day of the week over a white male who isn't as good as them... as long as they're the best and the most qualified. It literally does not matter.

But the modern day feminists and lefties don't want equality of opportunity. They want equality of outcome.

It's this comic, in a nutshell.

https://www.unwokenarrative.com/content/images/2021/06/image-3.png




Really, people don't want to accept that human beings are born unequal. They don't want to accept that there are evolutionary differences between males, females, whites, blacks etc... because that's uncomfortable and it's not fair. Some people even straight up deny this blatant and obvious reality because it's so incredibly uncomfortable for them that they can't even begin to accept into their hearts that it even might be true. But that's the thing, isn't it? Life isn't fair. Life doesn't care. No amount of screaming at the sky or trying to prop people up or tearing others down is ever going to change the fact that inequality exists because that is the nature. of. life.

All human beings deserve equal rights but we are not equal as individuals. It's... LIFE! I'm sorry!

[FKAri]

She's still a hypocrite.

She's all pro BLM, pro diversity, pro left, pro feminism, etc... as long as it doesn't directly impact her in a detrimental way. It's hypocrisy of the highest order. I mean hell even within just the context of her private quote alone that is obviously proven. Even if you throw out everything you know about her outside of that quote, it proves her hypocrisy and cognitively dissonant world view.

As far as the clip goes, she didn't say anything bad. She didn't say anything racist or offensive to anyone. I don't disagree with her core complaint whatsoever because any sane and rational person would hold the exact same viewpoint regardless of their personal skin color if they were being replaced by someone else for no reason other than the color of that other person's skin color.

They either deserve to replace her, or they don't.

But that's the thing, isn't it? Pro diversity itself is automatically racist and sexist. In the modern day, the context of said viewpoint essentially boils down to... whites and white males specifically have held power for too long so let's get rid of them as much as possible regardless of who is more qualified.

How'd that work out for Zimbabwe w/ farmers, which is the end game of how this viewpoint plays out?

To be clear, I don't care if someone is black or white or male or female or whatever the ****... just give me the best. If I need a surgery, I don't give a **** if it's a black lady or Indian lady or whoever... give me them any day of the week over a white male... as long as they're the best and the most qualified. It literally does not matter.

But the modern day feminists and lefties don't want equality of opportunity. They want equality of outcome.

It's this comic, in a nutshell.

https://www.unwokenarrative.com/content/images/2021/06/image-3.png

I completely disagree with this in regards to showbiz. Things like diversity, cancel culture, etc and all the things people whine about these days have always been part and parcel of showbiz. Because showbiz isn't about who's better at a job it's about who people like. It's always been like this and always will be. The problem is this has spread to other arenas due to social media which has turned everything into a show and everyone into a brand.

[The Hick]

Really, people don't want to accept that human beings are born unequal. They don't want to accept that there are evolutionary differences between males, females, whites, blacks etc... because that's uncomfortable and it's not fair. Some people even straight up deny this blatant and obvious reality because it's so incredibly uncomfortable for them that they can't even begin to accept into their hearts that it even might be true. But that's the thing, isn't it? Life isn't fair. Life doesn't care. No amount of screaming at the sky or trying to prop people up or tearing others down is ever going to change the fact that inequality exists because that is the nature. of. life.

All human beings deserve equal rights but we are not equal as individuals. It's... LIFE! I'm sorry!

https://blogs.bmj.com/bjsm/files/2021/05/elephant-room.jpg

[Bronbron23]

She's still a hypocrite.

She's all pro BLM, pro diversity, pro left, pro feminism, etc... as long as it doesn't directly impact her in a detrimental way. It's hypocrisy of the highest order. I mean hell even within just the context of her private quote alone that is obviously proven. Even if you throw out everything you know about her outside of that quote, it proves her hypocrisy and cognitively dissonant world view.

As far as the clip goes, she didn't say anything bad. She didn't say anything racist or offensive to anyone. I don't disagree with her core complaint whatsoever because any sane and rational person would hold the exact same viewpoint regardless of their personal skin color if they were being replaced by someone else for no reason other than the color of that other person's skin color.

They either deserve to replace her, or they don't.

But that's the thing, isn't it? Pro diversity itself is automatically racist and sexist. In the modern day, the context of said viewpoint essentially boils down to... whites and white males specifically have "held power" and "benefited the most" from some grand systemic problem for too long so let's get rid of them as much as possible regardless of who is more qualified.

How'd that work out for Zimbabwe w/ farmers, which is the end game of how this viewpoint plays out?

To be clear, I don't care if someone is black or white or male or female or whatever the ****... just give me the best. If I need a surgery, I don't give a **** if it's a black lady or Indian lady or whoever... give me them any day of the week over a white male who isn't as good as them... as long as they're the best and the most qualified. It literally does not matter.

But the modern day feminists and lefties don't want equality of opportunity. They want equality of outcome.

It's this comic, in a nutshell.

https://www.unwokenarrative.com/content/images/2021/06/image-3.png




Really, people don't want to accept that human beings are born unequal. They don't want to accept that there are evolutionary differences between males, females, whites, blacks etc... because that's uncomfortable and it's not fair. Some people even straight up deny this blatant and obvious reality because it's so incredibly uncomfortable for them that they can't even begin to accept into their hearts that it even might be true. But that's the thing, isn't it? Life isn't fair. Life doesn't care. No amount of screaming at the sky or trying to prop people up or tearing others down is ever going to change the fact that inequality exists because that is the nature. of. life.

All human beings deserve equal rights but we are not equal as individuals. It's... LIFE! I'm sorry!

U had me until not being equal from birth. Physically men clearly have an advantage over women and when it comes to personalities woman physiologically are more hardwired to have motherly traits which could influence their decisions in every day life including the work place but as far as intellect and capabilities when it comes to tasks their isn't any difference between men and women or blacks and whites or whoever. Not sure if that's what you were saying or not but if it was your an idiot

[Shogon]

U had me until not being equal from birth. Physically men clearly have an advantage over women and when it comes to personalities woman physiologically are more hardwired to have motherly traits which could influence their decisions in every day life including the work place but as far as intellect and capabilities when it comes to tasks their isn't any difference between men and women or blacks and whites or whoever. Not sure if that's what you were saying or not but if it was your an idiot

I'm sorry. I don't know what to tell you.

[talkingconch]

Who said Rachel was racist you sh*thead?

Are you stupid? What exactly is implied below?



You’re a sellout. Rachel (white women) is all about equality, woman’s rights blah blah until a woman of color is involved that has her advancing in the same field. Then all bets are off. You can’t be a white person out in the open all supportive, for the cause and behind close doors like hell to the naw.

“1. her laughing when the guy said “between MeToo movement & BLM, i have nothing left”
2. her saying Maria only got the job because of racial pity.
3. no one was outwardly punished except the black employees.”

But keep on uncle Tom.

[Bronbron23]

I'm sorry. I don't know what to tell you.

I figured as much

[GOBB]

Are you stupid? What exactly is implied below?

Where does it imply she is racist? If anything is implied it’s the fact Rachel is hypocritical because behind close doors she is doing the opposite of what she is grandstanding on a major sports platform about. Rachel is a white woman. She doesn’t have to speak on and stand for any causes/movements. My whole point is don’t be for the Maria Taylor’s to get job opportunities in a white male dominated industry then when it affects you? Be like wait not now tho. Like use someone else’s career not mine. I never said she was racist. I’ve said more times in this thread she’s not. But what she said behind closed doors is cringe.

Calling someone an Uncle Tom does not mean Rachel is racist. It’s basically saying you’re taking the white womans side over the black womans.

Why would I waste so much time replying in here but trying to disguise my words by implying Rachel is racist without just blatantly saying SHE IS RACIST? You act like I’m afraid to say that sh*t. You clearly are stupid not me my guy.

Rachel is not racist. Said that more than once clown.

*correction I don’t know personally if Rachel is or isn’t racist. But my reaction and thoughts towards her aren’t that she is racist in this situation. She is hypocritical and cringe to me.

[GOBB]

I saw that earlier it was a good discussion and get it just fine we just see it differently.

And i don't disagree with anything jemele and amin said but they never really said rachel said anything wrong. They just talked about why what she said has some black people upset. All i said from jump was she had a point as far as being promised a job and being pissed that that opportunity was being taken away due to pressure on the network over diversity. I have no problems with what she said. I and every black person out there would feel the same as rachel Nichols if something similar happen to them.

Whether or not rachel is a racist i have no idea. It's always a possibility with white people. All i'm saying is what she said isn't racist and it wasn't necessarily even being fake. I'd have to see in her heart and mind to know for sure but just going on face value of her words I can't say forsure.

I wouldn’t label Rachel racist for what she said. But as someone earlier mentioned it just wasn’t a noble thing to say given all Rachel stood for in the public. I just don’t feel you can do both. I can understand not getting the gig and being upset you were promised it. But saying Maria was a diversity hire because ESPN has been lacking on racial diversity is cringe. Saying Maria is talented etc etc but contradicting that imo with taking that racial diversity sh*t elsewhere because you f*cked me out my job. It’s just cringe.

Sucks private convos were made public or we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But with anyone be it public figure or avg joe once your private convos become public? You got to face it. And what you said will touch nerves and upset folks. I think that’s what Jemele was hinting at using her experiences from being a low level employee hearing she didn’t deserve the gig even tho she was 3rd in line. To she didn’t deserve her own show and the money she made. The things Rachel said in private are things people feel are said behind closed doors too often especially amongst ESPN (not so much those peers). Which is why Jemele was blasting ESPN poor mgmt of the situation and just in general. And how they created this climate they haven’t changed.

[Stephonit]

I wouldn’t label Rachel racist for what she said. But as someone earlier mentioned it just wasn’t a noble thing to say given all Rachel stood for in the public. I just don’t feel you can do both. I can understand not getting the gig and being upset you were promised it. But saying Maria was a diversity hire because ESPN has been lacking on racial diversity is cringe. Saying Maria is talented etc etc but contradicting that imo with taking that racial diversity sh*t elsewhere because you f*cked me out my job. It’s just cringe.

Sucks private convos were made public or we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But with anyone be it public figure or avg joe once your private convos become public? You got to face it. And what you said will touch nerves and upset folks. I think that’s what Jemele was hinting at using her experiences from being a low level employee hearing she didn’t deserve the gig even tho she was 3rd in line. To she didn’t deserve her own show and the money she made. The things Rachel said in private are things people feel are said behind closed doors too often especially amongst ESPN (not so much those peers). Which is why Jemele was blasting ESPN poor mgmt of the situation and just in general. And how they created this climate they haven’t changed.


The entire woke business is just an exercise of either naivety, exploitation of naivety or hypocrisy. I might be sympathetic with some of the issues raised but there is no way I'm going to agree to everything suggested by the "movement". I wonder how many of those who say they support the wokeism really do if they understood the implications. Rachel is a hypocrite to those would exploit the naive. More realistic is she is just someone who wants to keep her job.

[GOBB]

The entire woke business is just an exercise of either naivety, exploitation of naivety or hypocrisy. I might be sympathetic with some of the issues raised but there is no way I'm going to agree to everything suggested by the "movement". I wonder how many of those who say they support the wokeism really do if they understood the implications. Rachel is a hypocrite to those would exploit the naive. More realistic is she is just someone who wants to keep her job.

Her job is safe. It’s never been in jeopardy. There’s just certain gigs she wants. In this case she wanted to host the finals. And didn’t get too. And after this was exposed saw herself removed from these finals. ESPN is “punishing” her just to appease the public perception since that’s all they care about. But I don’t see where she is trying to keep her job more so than trying to advance in her career.

[Bronbron23]

I wouldnÂ’t label Rachel racist for what she said. But as someone earlier mentioned it just wasnÂ’t a noble thing to say given all Rachel stood for in the public. I just donÂ’t feel you can do both. I can understand not getting the gig and being upset you were promised it. But saying Maria was a diversity hire because ESPN has been lacking on racial diversity is cringe. Saying Maria is talented etc etc but contradicting that imo with taking that racial diversity sh*t elsewhere because you f*cked me out my job. ItÂ’s just cringe.

Sucks private convos were made public or we wouldnÂ’t be having this discussion. But with anyone be it public figure or avg joe once your private convos become public? You got to face it. And what you said will touch nerves and upset folks. I think thatÂ’s what Jemele was hinting at using her experiences from being a low level employee hearing she didnÂ’t deserve the gig even tho she was 3rd in line. To she didnÂ’t deserve her own show and the money she made. The things Rachel said in private are things people feel are said behind closed doors too often especially amongst ESPN (not so much those peers). Which is why Jemele was blasting ESPN poor mgmt of the situation and just in general. And how they created this climate they havenÂ’t changed.

Right but she was basically a diversity hire for that particular gig. She was literally given Rachel's job because of the pressure the network was facing due to lack of diversity. What would u call that? I don't know how that's cringe on Rachel's part when all she was doing was talking the truth.

This is all i was saying from jump. It's not about choosing rachel over maria. It's about the truth. It just is what it is. I was being honest about the situation and u were being emotional and just riding for maria because she's black. I can respect that. that's something I do and alot blacks do all the time. What i dont respect is u calling me an uncle tom because in this instance i choose to go with the truth over blind loyalty to another black person just because they're black.

That kind of thinking is just as dangerous and divisive to our people as blacks with an uncle tom mentality.

[LAL]

Gobb, Maria & Rachel.. all the same, hypocrites, fake ass liberals. We just laugh while you sit here confused trying to teach others, plus the usual "racism inspection". We told you clowns you can't trust these liberals. Every person is as racist and selfish as they are helpful when it truly matters, especially black folks so stop being so messy.. out here defending his queen because people don't feel that she deserves Stephen A money. :sleeping

[rawimpact]

Gobb, Maria & Rachel.. all the same, hypocrites, fake ass liberals. We just laugh while you sit here confused trying to teach others, plus the usual "racism inspection". We told you clowns you can't trust these liberals. Every person is as racist and selfish as they are helpful when it truly matters, especially black folks so stop being so messy.. out here defending his queen because people don't feel that she deserves Stephen A money. :sleeping


haha spot on

[hold this L]

Her job is safe. It’s never been in jeopardy. There’s just certain gigs she wants. In this case she wanted to host the finals. And didn’t get too. And after this was exposed saw herself removed from these finals. ESPN is “punishing” her just to appease the public perception since that’s all they care about. But I don’t see where she is trying to keep her job more so than trying to advance in her career.
You mean giggs that were contractually given to her and then randomly taken without a proper reason out of nowhere.

Yeah in my company they don't fire people due to legal reasons, they just put them in shit jobs so they can hate every single second being there until they quit. Not a loss though according to GOBB :lol

[GOBB]

You mean giggs that were contractually given to her and then randomly taken without a proper reason out of nowhere.

Yeah in my company they don't fire people due to legal reasons, they just put them in shit jobs so they can hate every single second being there until they quit. Not a loss though according to GOBB :lol

What sh*t jobs has Rachel been apart of? You’re reaching.

[GOBB]

Right but she was basically a diversity hire for that particular gig. She was literally given Rachel's job because of the pressure the network was facing due to lack of diversity. What would u call that? I don't know how that's cringe on Rachel's part when all she was doing was talking the truth.

This is all i was saying from jump. It's not about choosing rachel over maria. It's about the truth. It just is what it is. I was being honest about the situation and u were being emotional and just riding for maria because she's black. I can respect that. that's something I do and alot blacks do all the time. What i dont respect is u calling me an uncle tom because in this instance i choose to go with the truth over blind loyalty to another black person just because they're black.

That kind of thinking is just as dangerous and divisive to our people as blacks with an uncle tom mentality.

So Maria was a racial diversity hire. You do realize that is said about every person of color hired right at ESPN? That’s the “talk”. Which is what Jemele referred too when she said those were things she heard. At every point in her career whether she was promoted, took a bigger role, had her own show. What you just said is the reasoning used whenever Jemele succeeded. It’s always the narrative when ESPN puts a person of color in front of a tv. That person isn’t talented. That person isn’t qualified. That person didn’t grind/work hard. Nah that’s Rachel. Maria? She was a racial diversity hire nothing more nothing less. Never really heard Rachel getting everything in her career because ESPN was pressured to put a white female face on the tv. Not saying it’s NEVER been said but it’s never the first thing that comes to peoples mind.

With Maria? Wherever she goes, whatever she does in this industry be it at ESPN or another network? It’ll always go back to racial hire. Which isn’t always the case.

I’m not emotional for blacks or Maria for her being black. If this was a white lesbian female that got the nba finals hosting gig over Rachel. And Rachel said take that gay movement elsewhere? I’d be in here saying the same. I don’t like when people take stands on causes on society using big platforms then behind closed doors may not be all the way supportive as they led the public to believe. That’s the crux of my issue with Rachel. How it came across didn’t sound right. If it were a gay female I’d say the same. Can’t get on tv promoting gay rights etc then in a private convo be like fake that gay shyt somewhere else. I know Rachel didn’t say this but just saying my reaction would’ve been consistent if it was a different issue.

I’ll apologize for the Uncle Tom comment. I intentionally said that to rule you up and get you out of character in a response. We can just agree to disagree on this topic. Which is fine with me.

[GOBB]

Gobb, Maria & Rachel.. all the same, hypocrites, fake ass liberals. We just laugh while you sit here confused trying to teach others, plus the usual "racism inspection". We told you clowns you can't trust these liberals. Every person is as racist and selfish as they are helpful when it truly matters, especially black folks so stop being so messy.. out here defending his queen because people don't feel that she deserves Stephen A money. :sleeping

Here’s the thing. All my replies have been geared towards Rachel taking a stance on social issues, race, gender equality etc And behind closed doors not so much when it affects her. That’s cringe. That’s a bad look in my eyes. Sucks her private convo became public but it did.

Where am I campaigning for Maria Taylor here? I haven’t said anything about her as a tv personality. Never said anything about her credentials. Never said anything about she deserves SAS money. Which is funny how her contract situation is brought up during this. I don’t recall hearing about what she turned down or demanded before. So where am I rushing to my queens feet to save her in this thread? If anything others are dissing, disrespecting, hating on her.

So I’m confused on that. In general I will always be in favor of a person trying to get the MOST money out of a situation. Even humble and modest people would love to maximize the dollar at their profession. So why do people here act like it’s a bad thing? You don’t think she deserves it? Why? What reasoning and logic do you have to say one person doesn’t deserve this amount? How much these people make really isn’t much of a topic. And now folks like you want to act like you have some knowledge on who should be paid what and why. Just because you say “SAS has been employed for x amount of years therefore should get paid more than anyone with less amount of years”. When is SAS contract up? How do you know he can’t renegotiate his deal to get more than someone who gets paid as much that you don’t think is deserving?? You don’t.

But a better question is why do you even care and since when did we argue about tv personality salaries. It’s weird.

[tontoz]

I see low IQ from all involved. Low IQ from Rachel making comments like that knowing the state of the country and her own public stance supporting diversity. Low IQ from the person that leaked the vid and got fired.

If Maria actually wants to stay with ESPN (which i doubt. Look at how many talented people have left in recent years) then it was dumb to turn down $5 million/yr. She knows how many high salaried people have been let go by ESPN. I suspect she already has her bags packed though.

ESPN looks dumb for offering $5 million, then reducing it to $2-3 million after she already turned down $5 million. Not seeing any logic there.

[3ba11]

I see low IQ from all involved. Low IQ from Rachel making comments like that knowing the state of the country and her own public stance supporting diversity. Low IQ from the person that leaked the vid and got fired.

If Maria actually wants to stay with ESPN (which i doubt. Look at how many talented people have left in recent years) then it was dumb to turn down $5 million/yr. She knows how many high salaried people have been let go by ESPN. I suspect she already has her bags packed though.

ESPN looks dumb for offering $5 million, then reducing it to $2-3 million after she already turned down $5 million. Not seeing any logic there.


How is she worth 5 million a year?

Does she have a highly-rated show or something that i'm unaware of? I thought she was a sideline reporter or a rachel nichols-type host that doesn't drive ratings.

Time to short ESPN stock.. How can they be maximizing profits? There must be thousands of people out there that would do an equal or better job that they wouldn't have to pay 5 million

[DoctorP]

I see low IQ from all involved. Low IQ from Rachel making comments like that knowing the state of the country and her own public stance supporting diversity. Low IQ from the person that leaked the vid and got fired.

If Maria actually wants to stay with ESPN (which i doubt. Look at how many talented people have left in recent years) then it was dumb to turn down $5 million/yr. She knows how many high salaried people have been let go by ESPN. I suspect she already has her bags packed though.

ESPN looks dumb for offering $5 million, then reducing it to $2-3 million after she already turned down $5 million. Not seeing any logic there.

:lol

[tontoz]

How is she worth 5 million a year?

Does she have a highly-rated show or something that i'm unaware of? I thought she was a sideline reporter or a rachel nichols-type host that doesn't drive ratings.

Time to short ESPN stock.. How can they be maximizing profits? There must be thousands of people out there that would do an equal or better job that they wouldn't have to pay 5 million


I have no idea how much she is worth. But if she wanted to stay with ESPN then i say it was dumb to turn that down. I also think it was dumb for ESPN to make that offer then make another offer for roughly half of what she turned down lol.

Keep in mind she does other things besides the NBA like football and women's bball.

[GOBB]

I have no idea how much she is worth. But if she wanted to stay with ESPN then i say it was dumb to turn that down. I also think it was dumb for ESPN to make that offer then make another offer for roughly half of what she turned down lol.

Keep in mind she does other things besides the NBA like football and women's bball.

Not sure why she turned down $5mil. We haven’t heard from her. I did read she wants to follow robin roberts route where she works for ESPN as well as ABC on good morning America. That’s the goal from what I read.

[DoctorP]

Not sure why she turned down $5mil. We haven’t heard from her. I did read she wants to follow robin roberts route where she works for ESPN as well as ABC on good morning America. That’s the goal from what I read.

she knows she's cute and she's milking it.

[The Hick]

I told you this bitch was gone. New wokes eating old wokes. Survival of the fittest :lol

[bison]

I told you this bitch was gone. New wokes eating old wokes. Survival of the fittest :lol

Absolutely sadistic. It's no longer about making the work environment fair or equitable, but rather gratuitous browbeating. Corporate arenas have always been run by domineering sociopaths but liberal left wokeism is absolutely sutured into this perverse corporate culture

[Joey Turnbuckle]

Not just corporate arenas but any public arena. People with the least confidence as individuals tend to absorb the social zeitgeist most militantly. In 17th century Salem that means being a rabid Puritan, in 20th century Germany it means being a rabid Nazi, in 21st century America it means being a rabid Woketard.

Many people find a balance between affiliating with groups and identifying individually. But theres always mobs of generic loons out there in the grassroots who are simply too stupid and too easily worked up, and they end up being the easiest pickins for the people in charge.

At this point I feel obligated to mention ItsMillerTime, Rr3, bladefd, Laker Legend, Overdrive, Burninghammer, Real MenweaGreen, RoseCity, Maxfly, Jailblazers, Ridonks, highwhey, TheMan, Lakers Legend32, etc

Tbh, soyboys are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Either accept protection and false “HOPE” from a corrupt machine making billions off them and - as unbelievably satirical as this would have sounded a couple years ago - LITERALLY forcing needles in their arms :lol, or take their chances with a group and a culture that admittedly doesnt take much pity on soyboys or “progressive” social ideals in general.

It aint too much good options for the boys of soy quite frankly. Theyre simply food for the beast and that’s it. They exist to be trampled.

Kinda makes you wonder why they remain as such. We may never have a good answer.

Some of the absolute worst listed right there