Full forensic audit initiated in Pennsylvania

[theman93]

https://senatormastriano.com/2021/07/07/op-ed-why-i-am-initiating-a-forensic-investigation-of-the-2020-general-election-and-2021-primary/

[Mr. Woke]

Lol at Republitards still looking for any evidence of mass-scale voter fraud (which is a myth).

They are the biggest sore losers on the planet.

[bladefd]

Might as well do it in all 6 states that were considered battleground states. Let's see if it was nonsense over nothing or actually legit stolen election in a vast voter fraud with millions and millions of ineligible/illegal votes.

I strongly suspect it would be the former so I'm very very interested in a wide audit in not just a state or 2 but ALL SIX of them. Expose the Trumpeters and democrats can really use it in 2022 and 2024 to tear them apart.

[BigKobeFan]

Might as well do it in all 6 states that were considered battleground states. Let's see if it was nonsense over nothing or actually legit stolen election in a vast voter fraud with millions and millions of ineligible/illegal votes.

I strongly suspect it would be the former so I'm very very interested in a wide audit in not just a state or 2 but ALL SIX of them. Expose the Trumpeters and democrats can really use it in 2022 and 2024 to tear them apart.

You dont even know what an audit means.

[Rocket]

Glad to hear this. We need all the fraud exposed. We need a coast to coast county by county forensic audit to expose ALL the fraud. We need this so states can pass voter integrity measures to limit fraudulent votes.

[Mr. Woke]

Glad to hear this. We need all the fraud exposed. We need a coast to coast county by county forensic audit to expose ALL the fraud. We need this so states can pass voter integrity measures to limit fraudulent votes.

Stop believing in BS right wing conspiracy theories.

[Rocket]

Stop believing in BS right wing conspiracy theories.

lol, funny how all the right wing "conspiracy theories" keep turning out to be true these days. If you are so confident Biden won legitimately you should have no problem with any audits that prove the "conspiracy theories" wrong. If Biden truly got more votes then the audits would be incredibly embarrassing to everyone who supports them. You should be all for them if you are that confident.

[BigKobeFan]

lol, funny how all the right wing "conspiracy theories" keep turning out to be true these days. If you are so confident Biden won legitimately you should have no problem with any audits that prove the "conspiracy theories" wrong. If Biden truly got more votes then the audits would be incredibly embarrassing to everyone who supports them. You should be all for them if you are that confident.:applause:

[theman93]

I think anyone who looks at the results objectively would have some questions about the elections legitimacy. Biden shattered the popular vote record while somehow simultaneously winning a record low 17% of counties, lost Black & Hispanic support, lost 18/19 Bellwether Counties, lost Ohio, Florida, & Iowa, on top of his party losing 27/27 House "toss-ups" on the down ballot.

The likelihood of being the most popular president of all time (while running one of the weakest campaigns ever - he was literally calling a lid at noon some days) on top of all of that happening seems pretty minute to me personally, but if these audits show it was legit then it's legit.

[Patrick Chewing]

I think anyone who looks at the results objectively would have some questions about the elections legitimacy. Biden shattered the popular vote record while somehow simultaneously winning a record low 17% of counties, lost Black & Hispanic support, lost 18/19 Bellwether Counties, lost Ohio, Florida, & Iowa, on top of his party losing 27/27 House "toss-ups" on the down ballot.

The likelihood of being the most popular president of all time (while running one of the weakest campaigns ever - he was literally calling a lid at noon some days) on top of all of that happening seems pretty minute to me personally, but if these audits show it was legit then it's legit.

The biggest fraud every committed in this country. This guy had no momentum going into the election. He couldn't fill a high school gym during the campaing.

I mean, just look at this...

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/27/21/34918398-8885835-image-a-32_1603834932819.jpg

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/09/17/USAT/348eaaf1-d6a7-448a-a2a5-cd85910d5fd4-AP_Election_2020_Biden.jpg

https://cdn.sentinelcolorado.com/2020/10/22073810/AP20295673165112.jpg

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/09/09/PDTF/45a0f4c2-ba35-4beb-a9e2-0e87d28b336e-AP_Election_2020_Biden_MIPA1_1.jpg


And we're supposed to believe he was more popular than Obama?? :roll:

[MaxPlayer]

I think anyone who looks at the results objectively would have some questions about the elections legitimacy. Biden shattered the popular vote record while somehow simultaneously winning a record low 17% of counties, lost Black & Hispanic support, lost 18/19 Bellwether Counties, lost Ohio, Florida, & Iowa, on top of his party losing 27/27 House "toss-ups" on the down ballot.

The likelihood of being the most popular president of all time (while running one of the weakest campaigns ever - he was literally calling a lid at noon some days) on top of all of that happening seems pretty minute to me personally, but if these audits show it was legit then it's legit.

I really haven't been paying much attention to this since November, but weren't there some odd results with the mail-in ballots where Biden got close to 100% of them in some swing state counties? I remember thinking that was strange at the time.

Personally I have little confidence that ANY recent presidential elections are on the up-and-up, especially with electronic voting machines. The policy implications are just too important to leave to the whims of a popularity contest.

[Rocket]

The biggest fraud every committed in this country. This guy had no momentum going into the election. He couldn't fill a high school gym during the campaing.

I mean, just look at this...

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/27/21/34918398-8885835-image-a-32_1603834932819.jpg

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/09/17/USAT/348eaaf1-d6a7-448a-a2a5-cd85910d5fd4-AP_Election_2020_Biden.jpg

https://cdn.sentinelcolorado.com/2020/10/22073810/AP20295673165112.jpg

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/09/09/PDTF/45a0f4c2-ba35-4beb-a9e2-0e87d28b336e-AP_Election_2020_Biden_MIPA1_1.jpg


And we're supposed to believe he was more popular than Obama??

wow how pathetic the Biden campaign was. :roll: All the clowns on the left are terrified about forensic audits.

[BigKobeFan]

I really haven't been paying much attention to this since November, but weren't there some odd results with the mail-in ballots where Biden got close to 100% of them in some swing state counties? I remember thinking that was strange at the time.

Personally I have little confidence that ANY recent presidential elections are on the up-and-up, especially with electronic voting machines. The policy implications are just too important to leave to the whims of a popularity contest.

The 4:00 a.m. drop was 100% biden votes to 0% trump, which is impossible.

[MaxPlayer]

The 4:00 a.m. drop was 100% biden votes to 0% trump, which is impossible.

Yeah that does seem a little fishy

[Mr. Woke]

lol, funny how all the right wing "conspiracy theories" keep turning out to be true these days. If you are so confident Biden won legitimately you should have no problem with any audits that prove the "conspiracy theories" wrong. If Biden truly got more votes then the audits would be incredibly embarrassing to everyone who supports them. You should be all for them if you are that confident.

These latest audits are a complete waste of time. Republicans cannot accept defeat gracefully; instead they make up lies and do BS/pointless investigations (just like the Benghazi investigation)

There is zero evidence of mass-scale voter fraud.

Stop drinking the kool-aid. It's not healthy to go through life as a brainwashed mongoloid.

[Mr. Woke]

The biggest fraud every committed in this country. This guy had no momentum going into the election. He couldn't fill a high school gym during the campaing.

I mean, just look at this...

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/27/21/34918398-8885835-image-a-32_1603834932819.jpg

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/09/17/USAT/348eaaf1-d6a7-448a-a2a5-cd85910d5fd4-AP_Election_2020_Biden.jpg

https://cdn.sentinelcolorado.com/2020/10/22073810/AP20295673165112.jpg

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/09/09/PDTF/45a0f4c2-ba35-4beb-a9e2-0e87d28b336e-AP_Election_2020_Biden_MIPA1_1.jpg


And we're supposed to believe he was more popular than Obama?? :roll:

Perception is not reality lol.

Besides, Trump was never that popular. He lost the popular vote twice.

[theman93]

I really haven't been paying much attention to this since November, but weren't there some odd results with the mail-in ballots where Biden got close to 100% of them in some swing state counties? I remember thinking that was strange at the time.

Personally I have little confidence that ANY recent presidential elections are on the up-and-up, especially with electronic voting machines. The policy implications are just too important to leave to the whims of a popularity contest.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fhistoryinfographics.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F11%2Flate-night-voting-dump-trump-biden-2020-1250x703.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Where the blue line does a literal 90 degree angle during the dead of the night is where there was a near 100% (or 100% actual) ballot dump. It's just statistically near impossible.

[Code Breaker]

Trumptards literally been repeating the same bs for almost a year sad :roll:

[theman93]

These latest audits are a complete waste of time. Republicans cannot accept defeat gracefully; instead they make up lies and do BS/pointless investigations (just like the Benghazi investigation)

There is zero evidence of mass-scale voter fraud.

Stop drinking the kool-aid. It's not healthy to go through life as a brainwashed mongoloid.

How can you know that without the audits even being completed yet?

[Mr. Woke]

How can you know that without the audits even being completed yet?

The audits are a waste of time (they're being conducted solely to placate Trump's fragile ego).

The Republican Party is truly the party of insanity (it has resorted to relentlessly kissing Trump's ass).

[theman93]

The audits are a waste of time (they're being conducted solely to placate Trump's fragile ego).

The Republican Party is truly the party of insanity (it has resorted to relentlessly kissing Trump's ass).

If they're a waste of time how come the Democrats are working so hard to stop it? Shouldn't they just let them waste their time?

[Patrick Chewing]

How can you know that without the audits even being completed yet?

Mr. Woke is an alt troll account. Don't pay him any attention.

[Mr. Woke]

If they're a waste of time how come the Democrats are working so hard to stop it? Shouldn't they just let them waste their time?

The election is already over. The Republican Party needs to come back to reality (and help the Democrats come up with policies to help everyday Americans) instead of continuing these nonsensical wild goose chases.

[Mr. Woke]

Mr. Woke is an alt troll account. Don't pay him any attention.


Still projecting I see.

You are an alt troll account.

[theman93]

The election is already over. The Republican Party needs to come back to reality (and help the Democrats come up with policies to help everyday Americans) instead of continuing these nonsensical wild goose chases.

The point of the audits are to investigate the glaring discrepancies and statistical anomalies. It's hardly nonsensical. And if it was, Democrats would not have have been fighting tooth and nail to halt the Arizona audit. Polls all over the place are showing there's a lack of trust on both sides in our election processes. And both sides have shouted fraud over the past few years. It's pretty clear faith needs to be restored in our elections and auditing to see if fraud is occurring is a step in the right direction if you value integrity.

[j3lademaster]

The biggest fraud every committed in this country. This guy had no momentum going into the election. He couldn't fill a high school gym during the campaing.

I mean, just look at this...

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/27/21/34918398-8885835-image-a-32_1603834932819.jpg

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/09/17/USAT/348eaaf1-d6a7-448a-a2a5-cd85910d5fd4-AP_Election_2020_Biden.jpg

https://cdn.sentinelcolorado.com/2020/10/22073810/AP20295673165112.jpg

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/09/09/PDTF/45a0f4c2-ba35-4beb-a9e2-0e87d28b336e-AP_Election_2020_Biden_MIPA1_1.jpg


And we're supposed to believe he was more popular than Obama?? :roll:Well, there's the pandemic also so there's that. The right are convinced it's a hoax so they huddle up in groups during rallies.

And I don't think Biden was anyone's first choice, he just wasn't Trump. The recordbreaking voter turnout is because of Trump. Hate him or love him, I don't think anyone can deny he's had insane impact on increasing political awareness overall. People came to vote for him or vote him out, but not many people just sat there and 'didn't care' this time around.

[j3lademaster]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fhistoryinfographics.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F11%2Flate-night-voting-dump-trump-biden-2020-1250x703.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Where the blue line does a literal 90 degree angle during the dead of the night is where there was a near 100% (or 100% actual) ballot dump. It's just statistically near impossible.I still don't know if what Trump's team did was smart or not. They foresaw a chance Trump can lose and decided to find a way to discredit certain groups of voters. That's why for about 6 months up to the election you heard Kayleigh, Trump etc nonstop bashing it into your skull every chance they get 'mail-in ballots=fraud'. So why are we surprised when mailin ballots are counted they were overwhelmingly for the other guy? Trump's supporters were literally told nonstop not to vote this way.

And the reason I can't decide whether it was a smart play or not is because it was the only play. And I didn't think an obvious political ploy like that would have worked on an educated population.

And funny enough, when something quantifiable with empirical evidence comes up, it's Trump's side making fake ballot burning videos to discredit the election. Go figure.

[j3lademaster]

The point of the audits are to investigate the glaring discrepancies and statistical anomalies. It's hardly nonsensical. And if it was, Democrats would not have have been fighting tooth and nail to halt the Arizona audit. Polls all over the place are showing there's a lack of trust on both sides in our election processes. And both sides have shouted fraud over the past few years. It's pretty clear faith needs to be restored in our elections and auditing to see if fraud is occurring is a step in the right direction if you value integrity.If that was truly the case I'd be all for it. But it's all heavily pro-Trump organizations donating for the audit in AZ. They don't care about actually finding voter fraud. If they do, great the results are better than expected. Their goal is to discredit faith in our election system even further.

[bladefd]

wow how pathetic the Biden campaign was. :roll: All the clowns on the left are terrified about forensic audits.

Terrified? I welcome them. I think it would expose the clown Trumpeters as they quickly move onto the next conspiracy.

[bladefd]

The 4:00 a.m. drop was 100% biden votes to 0% trump, which is impossible.

Link?

[bladefd]

If that was truly the case I'd be all for it. But it's all heavily pro-Trump organizations donating for the audit in AZ. They don't care about actually finding voter fraud. If they do, great the results are better than expected. Their goal is to discredit faith in our election system even further.

If they don't find anything widespread, they will just claim the audits were not done properly or the Democrats meddled in the audit. They will find something wrong with the audit or the people doing it - any excuse or claim will be provided but the results being correct.

[theman93]

I still don't know if what Trump's team did was smart or not. They foresaw a chance Trump can lose and decided to find a way to discredit certain groups of voters. That's why for about 6 months up to the election you heard Kayleigh, Trump etc nonstop bashing it into your skull every chance they get 'mail-in ballots=fraud'. So why are we surprised when mailin ballots are counted they were overwhelmingly for the other guy? Trump's supporters were literally told nonstop not to vote this way.

And the reason I can't decide whether it was a smart play or not is because it was the only play. And I didn't think an obvious political ploy like that would have worked on an educated population.

And funny enough, when something quantifiable with empirical evidence comes up, it's Trump's side making fake ballot burning videos to discredit the election. Go figure.

Just because Trump and his campaign pushed it's supporters to vote in person doesn't mean they did. There were still plenty of people who didn't feel comfortable to vote in person due to COVID who supported Trump, plenty of people who voted for Trump simply because he was the Republican nominee, plenty of people who voted for Trump just because they thought he was the lesser of two evils, and plenty of people who voted for Trump just because they didn't like Biden. In other words, not all people who voted for him were die-hards that listened to his/his campaign's every word. Now I do think it's obvious there were more in-person voters for Trump than there were Biden, but by how much? We don't have the data for that.

Either way, the line in the graph does display a statistical anomaly I don't think there's any denying that. None of the other dumps had a 90 degree vertical spike.

[theman93]

If that was truly the case I'd be all for it. But it's all heavily pro-Trump organizations donating for the audit in AZ. They don't care about actually finding voter fraud. If they do, great the results are better than expected. Their goal is to discredit faith in our election system even further.

Do you have a list of the AZ audit donors?

Even if the donors are pro-Trump organizations it's irrelevant if the audit is transparent and given that there are 9 cameras watching the entire floor available to the public, 90 microcameras that track every move, and many other measures/procedures (can get in to those if you'd like) in place, I'd say it's about transparent as you can get.

[j3lademaster]

Do you have a list of the AZ audit donors?

Even if the donors are pro-Trump organizations it's irrelevant if the audit is transparent and given that there are 9 cameras watching the entire floor available to the public, 90 microcameras that track every move, and many other measures/procedures (can get in to those if you'd like) in place, I'd say it's about transparent as you can get.
https://www.azmirror.com/2021/05/03/everything-we-know-about-who-is-funding-the-arizona-election-audit/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/09/arizona-election-audit-trump-2020-review

[bladefd]

Just because Trump and his campaign pushed it's supporters to vote in person doesn't mean they did. There were still plenty of people who didn't feel comfortable to vote in person due to COVID who supported Trump, plenty of people who voted for Trump simply because he was the Republican nominee, plenty of people who voted for Trump just because they thought he was the lesser of two evils, and plenty of people who voted for Trump just because they didn't like Biden. In other words, not all people who voted for him were die-hards that listened to his/his campaign's every word. Now I do think it's obvious there were more in-person voters for Trump than there were Biden, but by how much? We don't have the data for that.

Either way, the line in the graph does display a statistical anomaly I don't think there's any denying that. None of the other dumps had a 90 degree vertical spike.

We have the data, and it's not even close.

Vast majority of Republicans voted in-person (67%). Only 33% voted by mail.

As for Democrats, 43% voted in-person. 57% by mail.

Source : https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/11/20/the-voting-experience-in-2020/

[theman93]

https://www.azmirror.com/2021/05/03/everything-we-know-about-who-is-funding-the-arizona-election-audit/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/09/arizona-election-audit-trump-2020-review

Thank you for the info. Now, how does that effect the audit if it's done with full transparency and visibility?

[theman93]

We have the data, and it's not even close.

Vast majority of Republicans voted in-person (67%). Only 33% voted by mail.

As for Democrats, 43% voted in-person. 57% by mail.

Source : https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/11/20/the-voting-experience-in-2020/

So in other words, ~25 million people voted for Trump by mail. That's no small amount.

[bladefd]

So in other words, ~25 million people voted for Trump by mail. That's no small amount.

Almost double came from the Democrat side. It would be like an avalanche coming down in deep blue states.

[j3lademaster]

Thank you for the info. Now, how does that effect the audit if it's done with full transparency and visibility?I'm not against it if that were the case. To quote myself:


If that was truly the case I'd be all for it. But it's all heavily pro-Trump organizations donating for the audit in AZ. They don't care about actually finding voter fraud. If they do, great the results are better than expected. Their goal is to discredit faith in our election system even further.

And AZ was supposed to be a transparent audit, too.


What that also means is that any hearing into the adequacy of the company's policies to protect the ballots and personal voter information will not be closed to the public, as Cyber Ninjas had asked.


"They should not be permitted to pick and choose which communications are withheld from the public, and even from the parties in this case,'' Gaona said, pointing out to Martin that Cyber Ninjas, while ordered by the court to produce the policies for review, won't even share them with the challengers.

Again, the AZ audit didn't have any transparency. It was a publicity stunt to undermine faith in our election system. If they found something that helped them, do you think they'd try to hide it? Or do you think they'd try their best to shout it from the mountain tops with the biggest megaphone they can find?

[MaxPlayer]

We have the data, and it's not even close.

Vast majority of Republicans voted in-person (67%). Only 33% voted by mail.

As for Democrats, 43% voted in-person. 57% by mail.

Source : https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/11/20/the-voting-experience-in-2020/

I still don't feel like that explains the overwhelming Biden advantage in those particular mail ballot dumps.

Were those from super-blue enclaves where legitimately 100% of 1000s of mail in voters voted for Biden? Or did they get reported in non-random order for either procedural or political/strategic reasons?

[theman93]

I'm not against it if that were the case. To quote myself:



And AZ was supposed to be a transparent audit, too.





Again, the AZ audit didn't have any transparency. It was a publicity stunt to undermine faith in our election system. If they found something that helped them, do you think they'd try to hide it? Or do you think they'd try their best to shout it from the mountain tops with the biggest megaphone they can find?

The audit hasn't even been completed yet, there is nothing to shout from the mountain tops.

Could you provide me the article you are quoting so I can have the full context of the quotes you pulled?

[j3lademaster]

The audit hasn't even been completed yet, there is nothing to shout from the mountain tops.

Could you provide me the article you are quoting so I can have the full context of the quotes you pulled?https://www.kawc.org/post/arizona-judge-orders-transparency-election-audit here's the source.


The audit hasn't even been completed yet, there is nothing to shout from the mountain tops.You're missing the point. Why not offer full transparency during the step by step process?

Here's what I said


If they found something that helped them, do you think they'd try to hide it? Or do you think they'd try their best to shout it from the mountain tops with the biggest megaphone they can find?

Obviously what I meant for that was if they actually found evidence that helped them they wouldn't close it from the public. Cyber Ninjas is actively trying to cherry pick what to share and what not to share with the public. Again, they're not trying to win. They know they can't. They're trying to undermine faith in the system.

[theman93]

https://www.kawc.org/post/arizona-judge-orders-transparency-election-audit here's the source.

You're missing the point. Why not offer full transparency during the step by step process?

Here's what I said



Obviously what I meant for that was if they actually found evidence that helped them they wouldn't close it from the public. Cyber Ninjas is actively trying to cherry pick what to share and what not to share with the public. Again, they're not trying to win. They know they can't. They're trying to undermine faith in the system.

"Arizonans are entitled to see the policies and procedures being used in the Senate's audit of the 2020 election returns, a judge has ruled."

It's irrelevant if Cyber Ninjas cherry picks what to share and what not to share after the judge ruled they are to show the public what policies and procedures are being used in the audit. It's all available - must be a Maricopa county resident, volunteers only, political affiliation unknown, political talk prohibited, 9 floor cameras, 90 microcameras, only red and green pens allowed on the floor, tearing paper prohibited, cell phones/tablets/smart watches prohibited, all markers prohibited even including things like chapstick and lipstick, and sign in/out procedures that mimic those used around nuclear weapons, among other things. The entire audit is live streamed to the public.


Before a person can even enter the premises, their name must be on a pre-approved list. After winding their way through a maze of corridors, they arrive at a security checkpoint where their ID is checked.

From that point forward, visitors are escorted at all times by audit personnel.

After being briefed, visitors must forfeit cell phones, cameras, and any writing implements they might be carrying before they can be escorted to the audit floor. That’s why the Democrats’ claims of seeing auditors wielding blue and black pens are so implausible.

On the coliseum floor, the audit is conducted in several stages, each of which takes place in a designated area. The tables in each section are color-coded, and workers wear shirts with corresponding colors, making it easy for anyone to spot if someone strays from their assigned area.

At every table, there is accountability and supervision, all of it live streamed and viewable by the general public.

Just like in a casino, where “pit bosses” keep a close eye on a relatively small section of tables, there is an audit supervisor responsible for groups of two to three tables. If any problems arise or anything appears to be even slightly amiss, the supervisor immediately steps in to address it.

And just as casinos use high-resolution cameras in the ceiling to monitor every single table, the auditors in Arizona labor under the scrutiny of state-of-the-art cameras positioned directly above each table.

Every ballot reviewed by the auditors goes through distinct stages, starting with a simple count. One by one, ballots are placed on rotating stands in the middle of each table, and each one is viewed and counted by three separate people, whose independent tallies must line up. Each batch has 50 ballots, and once all of them are counted they’re boxed, sealed, and marked with the name of each counter, much like an evidence label.

The box is then taken to a locked cage until it is ready for review at the next station.

Next, the ballots undergo digital imagery examination, which is done at such a high resolution that it’s almost better than reviewing the ballot itself, because you can zoom in without losing resolution.

When I was there, one of the auditors showed me an example of a ballot that was flagged as suspicious because every single oval was filled out perfectly, without a single stray mark – something that would be easy for a machine to accomplish, but is almost impossible to do by hand.

After being imaged, the ballots are re-boxed, a new tabulations page is attached, and the box is sent to a different cage. From that point on, the ballots are kept under lock and key, with 24/7 video surveillance.

[bobopenguin]

if u got nothing to hide, just audit it.
if u trying to stop it, then that explains all.

[BigKobeFan]

We have the data, and it's not even close.

Vast majority of Republicans voted in-person (67%). Only 33% voted by mail.

As for Democrats, 43% voted in-person. 57% by mail.

Source : https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/11/20/the-voting-experience-in-2020/

Thanks for explaining why we need an audit qith that 4am ballot dump. Thanks again

[ZenMaster]

Again, the AZ audit didn't have any transparency. It was a publicity stunt to undermine faith in our election system. If they found something that helped them, do you think they'd try to hide it? Or do you think they'd try their best to shout it from the mountain tops with the biggest megaphone they can find?

You're talking as if the AZ audit is complete and nothing was found, but the report isn't due probably until the end of this month.

And when you say there's been no transparency, just know that there's been full update hearings about the audit, all public and for everyone to see and hear themselves.


https://youtu.be/UZWTMuwy5CQ

Edit: Better sound


https://youtu.be/iX0UllUPCjQ

[Shogon]

I don't think there was some widespread coordinated election fraud on that night, but will you guys just take one second and actually imagine what it would do to this country if that were somehow proven to be the case?

The American public would literally never trust the system in any way whatsoever ever again until at the very least multiple generations completely die off.

Can you imagine the chaos in the streets? Holy shit, lol.



I think there absolutely was election fraud, but I think that in all extreme probability... it happens during every single election we have. People are people and people gonna people. That being said? It wouldn't surprise me if the fraud were bigger this time around due to less in person voting, but enough to sway the election in Trump's favor? We may never know, but I doubt it. A lot of people were sick of hearing "TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP" every day of their ****ing lives. But even more than that, I think ballot harvesting is what tipped the scales in favor of Biden. I think you have a situation where a lot of people who would be normally apathetic to vote were persuaded in person into doing so.

[ZenMaster]

I still don't know if what Trump's team did was smart or not. They foresaw a chance Trump can lose and decided to find a way to discredit certain groups of voters. That's why for about 6 months up to the election you heard Kayleigh, Trump etc nonstop bashing it into your skull every chance they get 'mail-in ballots=fraud'. So why are we surprised when mailin ballots are counted they were overwhelmingly for the other guy? Trump's supporters were literally told nonstop not to vote this way.

And the reason I can't decide whether it was a smart play or not is because it was the only play. And I didn't think an obvious political ploy like that would have worked on an educated population.

And funny enough, when something quantifiable with empirical evidence comes up, it's Trump's side making fake ballot burning videos to discredit the election. Go figure.

You don't remember the MSM saying Trump was in trouble for telling supporters to vote in mail and then go on the day of the election to check if the vote was registered correctly?

Anyways, this guy has done a bunch of research into the numbers of the election and it has nothing to do with fake ballot burning videos.


https://youtu.be/6oz1dmntALU

[Doomsday Dallas]

will you guys just take one second and actually imagine what it would do to this country if that were somehow proven to be the case?

Good post.

Ive thought about it… and honestly I don’t even know what those consequences would look like.

[~primetime~]

I have nothing against audits given that they are fair and clean...in fact I hope they do in Penn and Michigan and where ever else...I believe the election was fair and if you followed all the polls as I did the election basically went just as the polls predicted. I can understand why it looks "fishy" as the mail in was 100% Dem because for whatever dumb reason mailing or not mailing was a partisan thing, so when they counted the mail at the end it was a massive spike to the Dem count....because that's where all the Dem votes were, the mail.

I do have an issue with the Arizona Audit, as it looks completely partisan and there were already several audits in Arizona that turned up nothing. This one run by the Cyber Ninjas consists of volunteers who are all Trumpers looking to find something. The CEO of Cyber Ninjas is staring in a conspiracy movie called the "The Deep Rig". And Trump is putting a lot of pressure on them to find fraud. If they don't find anything it will be viewed as a massive failure and likely lead to the other states dropping their Arizona style audits. From what I have read after the counting they took all the ballots to a "lab" in Montana which is fishy to me.

If I had to guess I will predict that the count shows the same (they would have already said otherwise if it didn't) but they will come out with something like "lab results show the paper in these 3,000 ballots came from China" or something like that to leave fraud open ended.

I don't think many who support the widespread fraud claims have really sat down and thought about what that would entail...it would require hundreds if not thousands to be in on it. All of these votes can be linked to a voter ID and then ultimately a Social Security #. So even if labs turn up some questionable material they should be able to take those votes and link them to an actual human to see if it were legit or not. It isn't as easy as just inserting masses of fake ballots into the bunch, that wouldn't work. Maybe something that simple could work in states that require no voter ID, but that isn't the case in Arizona or these other swing states. So the fraud would require fake IDs to go with the fake votes.

[MaxPlayer]

Good post.

Ive thought about it… and honestly I don’t even know what those consequences would look like.

Maybe people would realize that they have to solve their own problems instead of showing up every 4 years and picking the less dangerous retard.

[ZenMaster]

I don't think there was some widespread coordinated election fraud on that night, but will you guys just take one second and actually imagine what it would do to this country if that were somehow proven to be the case?

The American public would literally never trust the system in any way whatsoever ever again until at the very least multiple generations completely die off.

Can you imagine the chaos in the streets? Holy shit, lol.



It would serve as confirmation of the uniparty - the theory that people are working together to divide the country at the highest levels of government to make it impossible for a meaningful 3rd party to ever see the light of day, while maximizing profits for the people operating within the two functioning parties.

A lot of ****ery happens on both sides, like the DNC and Nancy Pelosi not allowing Bernie to be their candidate, and Mitch McConnell telling William Barr not to open any DOJ investigations into election fraud.


I have nothing against audits given that they are fair and clean...in fact I hope they do in Penn and Michigan and where ever else...I believe the election was fair and if you followed all the polls as I did the election basically went just as the polls predicted. I can understand why it looks "fishy" as the mail in was 100% Dem because for whatever dumb reason mailing or not mailing was a partisan thing, so when they counted the mail at the end it was a massive spike to the Dem count....because that's where all the Dem votes were, the mail.


Unfortunately this doesn't matter, the people you've voted for fight against audits, both politically and legally. They know that you'll never vote against them for doing so and thus it has no cost for them.


I do have an issue with the Arizona Audit, as it looks completely partisan and there were already several audits in Arizona that turned up nothing. This one run by the Cyber Ninjas consists of volunteers who are all Trumpers looking to find something. The CEO of Cyber Ninjas is staring in a conspiracy movie called the "The Deep Rig". And Trump is putting a lot of pressure on them to find fraud. If they don't find anything it will be viewed as a massive failure and likely lead to the other states dropping their Arizona style audits. From what I have read after the counting they took all the ballots to a "lab" in Montana which is fishy to me.


You should be happy to know that the Arizona state senate has just now issued an order for a third count of the ballots in Maricopa county, at least that's what being reported.
From what I gather it is not a hand recount, but instead running them through the machines once again as they did during the election, so it should only take about a week.

The bolded sounds like conspiracy nonsense and I don't think you can prove it.


If I had to guess I will predict that the count shows the same (they would have already said otherwise if it didn't) but they will come out with something like "lab results show the paper in these 3,000 ballots came from China" or something like that to leave fraud open ended.

The report with the number for the three counts will come out. It's funny though, that your prediction takes root in conspiracy nonsense about the ballots having been trucked to Montana in the middle of the audit.


I don't think many who support the widespread fraud claims have really sat down and thought about what that would entail...it would require hundreds if not thousands to be in on it. All of these votes can be linked to a voter ID and then ultimately a Social Security #. So even if labs turn up some questionable material they should be able to take those votes and link them to an actual human to see if it were legit or not. It isn't as easy as just inserting masses of fake ballots into the bunch, that wouldn't work. Maybe something that simple could work in states that require no voter ID, but that isn't the case in Arizona or these other swing states. So the fraud would require fake IDs to go with the fake votes.

You're absolutely right.

https://crimeofthecentury2020.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Version17.pdf

Either the information in the pdf is correct and things are pretty crazy, or someone made it up and I would argue should be investigated for motives to falsely influence an election, like defrauding people for donations or worse.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump lost again.

[Joey Turnbuckle]

Mr. Woke is a walking fart.

Fart in the wind, all you are is a fart in the wind.

[Joey Turnbuckle]

I dream one day of having a 3-way with Magic pen!s, aka Aids Johnson, and his son EJ...aculation Johnson.

https://worldofwonder.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Screen-Shot-2017-09-04-at-10.12.52-AM.png

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump Still Lost.

[Overdrive]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fhistoryinfographics.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F11%2Flate-night-voting-dump-trump-biden-2020-1250x703.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Where the blue line does a literal 90 degree angle during the dead of the night is where there was a near 100% (or 100% actual) ballot dump. It's just statistically near impossible.

You obviously can't interpret this graph. 90 degree doesn't mean 100%. Trump got votes at the same time. It means alot of votes at one point on the time axis.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://worldofwonder.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Screen-Shot-2017-09-04-at-10.12.52-AM.png

https://i.gifer.com/RFOk.gif

[DoctorP]

https://worldofwonder.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Screen-Shot-2017-09-04-at-10.12.52-AM.png

GAY!

[theman93]

You obviously can't interpret this graph. 90 degree doesn't mean 100%. Trump got votes at the same time. It means alot of votes at one point on the time axis.

You obviously lack reading comprehension. See the part where I said “near 100%”

[bladefd]

You obviously can't interpret this graph. 90 degree doesn't mean 100%. Trump got votes at the same time. It means alot of votes at one point on the time axis.

You can see a 90 degree incline there too for Trump. I pointed it out many months ago, but it just flew over the cuckoo's heads.

If I had to estimate, it would be about 75% of the votes for Biden and 25% for Trump during that count dump. It makes full sense considering that way more democrats voted by mail than did republican, and that state is a blue state as well.

[ZenMaster]

Fulton County:

https://media.patriots.win/post/26SIOlhB.png

[Chick Stern]

Literally every lawsuit rejected due to a lack of evidence, no tangible evidence ever provided, a buffoon touting drinking disinfectant, most every real example of voter fraud was a Trumpie, and every state audit verified the initial vote results - and yet you delusionals STILL think something will be found..

[Overdrive]

You obviously lack reading comprehension. See the part where I said “near 100%”

I measured the graphs with a caliper. Left 90 degree jump is Trump ca 24% of the votes, right one is 8%. As said you're clueless. Maybe that buffoon shouldn't have told his voters not to vote via mail ins?

[ZenMaster]

I measured the graphs with a caliper. Left 90 degree jump is Trump ca 24% of the votes, right one is 8%. As said you're clueless. Maybe that buffoon shouldn't have told his voters not to vote via mail ins?

Kind of funny that you call someone else clueless and then suggest the bolded. Like Trump voters not voting through mail as much vs on elections day, would somehow change anything.

[Overdrive]

Kind of funny that you call someone else clueless and then suggest the bolded. Like Trump voters not voting through mail as much vs on elections day, would somehow change anything.

Obviously the option to vote via mail mobilzed alot of people for Biden. You don't think Trump could've garnered more votes if he championed mail in votes? He alienated some of the the more important GOP voter group with his negligence.

[DoctorP]

lol @ this republican witch hunt

[ZenMaster]

Obviously the option to vote via mail mobilzed alot of people for Biden. You don't think Trump could've garnered more votes if he championed mail in votes? He alienated some of the the more important GOP voter group with his negligence.

What makes you think that people who wanted to vote for Trump through mail, didn't do so? Aren't his voters generally considered very passionate?

You say he could have gotten more votes, but he got 11 million more than in 2016 - an election year where dark voters appeared, to an extent that every major polling company and news network got their predictions wrong - at least that's what those polling companies claimed was the reason.

Those voters came out in 2016 and since then the official narrative has been that Trump lost popularity and votes during his presidency. But then somehow he got 11 million more votes in 2020, but apparently still could have gotten more in your opinion. You sure that you're not overstating his popularity?

[bladefd]

What makes you think that people who wanted to vote for Trump through mail, didn't do so? Aren't his voters generally considered very passionate?

You say he could have gotten more votes, but he got 11 million more than in 2016 - an election year where dark voters appeared, to an extent that every major polling company and news network got their predictions wrong - at least that's what those polling companies claimed was the reason.

Those voters came out in 2016 and since then the official narrative has been that Trump lost popularity and votes during his presidency. But then somehow he got 11 million more votes in 2020, but apparently still could have gotten more in your opinion. You sure that you're not overstating his popularity?

You champion whatever votes you can get.

Instead he trashed mail-in-ballots months earlier and called them a fraud MONTHS before the election while all of the democrats were championing it. Trump knew he would get blown out once the mail-in-ballots began to be counted. The republican party managers knew that a vast majority of the Democrat party was voting by mail so they spent months demonizing it and intentionally ensuring those votes wouldn't be counted until after the in-person votes.

They knew they would be calling for a stolen election (with the hope that the states & senate majority would help them with their steal but it didn't go as they were hoping). It was all engineered from the get-go that Donny would declare victory as soon as the in-person votes were counted then they would call fraud on the mail-in-votes as they trickled in AFTER the in-person votes were fully counted & tallied.. In order for that to succeed, they would need majority of their votes to be in-person so they would have more in-person votes than the democrats. That way they can create the argument that they won before it was stolen from them by vastly fraudulent mail-in-ballots.

[ZenMaster]

You champion whatever votes you can get.

You talk as if someone says mail-in votes are good, then extra votes will magically start to appear for them.

Which would be Trump voters do you think said "fkuck it, I'm not going to vote for him because he says that large scale voting by mail increases the likelihood of fraud"?


Instead he trashed mail-in-ballots months earlier and called them a fraud MONTHS before the election while all of the democrats were championing it. Trump knew he would get blown out once the mail-in-ballots began to be counted. The republican party managers knew that a vast majority of the Democrat party was voting by mail so they spent months demonizing it and intentionally ensuring those votes wouldn't be counted until after the in-person votes.

They knew they would be calling for a stolen election (with the hope that the states & senate majority would help them with their steal but it didn't go as they were hoping). It was all engineered from the get-go that Donny would declare victory as soon as the in-person votes were counted then they would call fraud on the mail-in-votes as they trickled in AFTER the in-person votes were fully counted & tallied.. In order for that to succeed, they would need majority of their votes to be in-person so they would have more in-person votes than the democrats. That way they can create the argument that they won before it was stolen from them by vastly fraudulent mail-in-ballots.


Who is "they"? You say republican party managers? Which high level republican party members claim the election was stolen?
Sounds like a conspiracy theory that isn't real.

[ZenMaster]

I don't know the source of these numbers, but the former PA AG did come out and say he was pressured into not investigating election fraud by Bill Barr.

https://media.patriots.win/post/L9j6rKQJ.png

[bladefd]

You talk as if someone says mail-in votes are good, then extra votes will magically start to appear for them.

Which would be Trump voters do you think said "fkuck it, I'm not going to vote for him because he says that large scale voting by mail increases the likelihood of fraud"?



Who is "they"? You say republican party managers? Which high level republican party members claim the election was stolen?
Sounds like a conspiracy theory that isn't real.

Republicans party insiders.. That would include Trump, his managers, his lawyers, the RNC data people, and many of the Republican leaders (several senators/house reps like Ted Cruz would be considered leaders in the party). They knew they would win the in-person and get blown out with the mail-in-ballots. It was well-known especially after the way we saw the primary conducted by each party. There is a reason why they fought tooth and nails to ensure the mail-in-ballots would be counted after the in-person votes.

[Lakers Legend#32]

To: Chewing and his Merry Band of MAGA F#cktards.

How is it that someone who owns several casinos has to beg his followers for denotations to file a lawsuit?

[Rocket]

https://www.dallascowboysuniverse.com/attachments/1626296104826-png.8696/?hash=c9ceac97725dec7db5ec44fa098c33c1

[Axe]

All these hopeless audits for a mere omb comeback and none of them materialized at all. :cry:

[Patrick Chewing]

Looks like some funny business went down in Fulton County, Georgia.

[bobopenguin]

All these hopeless audits for a mere omb comeback and none of them materialized at all. :cry:

these are forensic audit.
whether u like it or not, it's weight more than any "fact check".

[Mr. Woke]

Republicans still grasping at straws lol.

It's hilarious how brainwashed they are.