Dennis johnson or allen iverson?

[000]

Well?

[8Ball]

LeBron > Jordan.

[000]

LeBron > Jordan.
Dennis johnson or allen iverson? Thats what the thread is about in case you have any reading difficulties

[8Ball]

Nobody cares?

It's like asking Robert Horry vs Ray Allen. Why waste my time on basic equations.

[000]

Nobody cares?

It's like asking Robert Horry vs Ray Allen. Why waste my time on basic equations.
Okay, so dont post then, retard

[Carbine]

Iverson if I needed a 1 man band surrounded by role players

DJ if I already had an established star.

[000]

Iverson if I needed a 1 man band surrounded by role players

DJ if I already had an established star.
Are you sure? I think dennis is better on every level. He has more total playoff points, more all-defense longevity awards (9 in a row!), and more finals appearances.

[meat]

Almost nobody here watched DJ. You'd have to be almost 60. Iverson was very fun to watch.

[Gohan]

are you sure? I think dennis is better on every level. He has more total playoff points, more all-defense longevity awards (9 in a row!), and more finals appearances.

you're on that dope iverson is infinitely better than dennis johnson. Iverson is a top 10 player of all time and ive proven it many times

[000]

you're on that dope iverson is infinitely better than dennis johnson. Iverson is a top 10 player of all time and ive proven it many times
Yet dennis johnson has many more total playoff points, 9 straight all-D longevity awards, and more finals appearances.

[HylianNightmare]

Ai

[meat]

You must have made a DJ highlight reel on youtube? Can you link me bro?

[000]

You must have made a DJ highlight reel on youtube? Can you link me bro?
I havent made any. But having more total playoff points, more all-def longevity awards and more finals appearances should be enough to make you a better player

[MadDog]

Iverson. Better per game numbers. More scoring titles and years as the man. Using "totals" makes you a caged animal.


LeBron > Jordan.

LeBron has more losses in the NBA finals - true. That isn't relevant to the topic though. Go ahead and answer the OP's question. Now is not the time to be shy.

[000]

Using "totals" makes you a caged animal. Oh shit:eek:

How about, how about... DJs higher rpg in regseason and playoffs, thats gotta be what makes a perimeter player great right?

[meat]

I havent made any. But having more total playoff points, more all-def longevity awards and more finals appearances should be enough to make you a better player

You're just being silly. It's so random. Here's a better one. Fat Lever or Nate McMillan?

[Iverson3]

Such a stupid thread. Iverson is much better than DJ

[MadDog]

Oh shit:eek:

How about, how about... DJs higher rpg in regseason and playoffs, thats gotta be what makes a perimeter player great right?

DJ's .4 advantage in rebounds must've been high impact! Sorta like LeBron's rebound "edge" over Jordan. You know, where Jordan averages more offensive boards? :oldlol:

[000]

You're just being silly. It's so random. Here's a better one. Fat Lever or Nate McMillan?
Interesting question. Fat Lever had more total playoff points and more longevity awards. However Nate had more finals appearances (one more than 0). I would lean Fat Lever

[Charlie Sheen]

Almost nobody here watched DJ. You'd have to be almost 60. Iverson was very fun to watch.

I clicked this thread to post something similar. Co sign yours. :cheers:

[1987_Lakers]

Okay, so dont post then, retard

fuming

[000]

fuming
If it didnt matter to him he shouldnt have been posting in the first place. Not sure why its "fuming" to point that out.

Btw since youre here, is dennis johnson better than allen iverson? He has more total playoff points, more all-def longevity awards and even more finals appearances.

[Xiao Yao You]

DJ

[tpols]

Your team will be better with DJ, but sell more tickets with Iverson. Same way you'd have to take manu over AI. (for winning)

[1987_Lakers]

If it didnt matter to him he shouldnt have been posting in the first place. Not sure why its "fuming" to point that out.

Btw since youre here, is dennis johnson better than allen iverson? He has more total playoff points, more all-def longevity awards and even more finals appearances.

I actually agree with you OP, DJ all the way. :cheers:

[Gohan]

Disrespecting a top 10 player of all time in iverson must be the new fad

[000]

I actually agree with you OP, DJ all the way. :cheers:
High IQ take:cheers:

[MrFonzworth]

Okay, so dont post then, retard

Pagan got bodied:roll:

[8Ball]

I havent made any. But having more total playoff points, more all-def longevity awards and more finals appearances should be enough to make you a better player

Dennis Johnson has 2 all-nba teams.

AI has 7 all-nba teams.

So AI is the better player.


Let's do the math.

LeBron 17 all-nba teams.
Jordan 11 all-nba teams.

[000]

Dennis Johnson has 2 all-nba teams.

AI has 7 all-nba teams.

So AI is the better player.


Let's do the math.

LeBron 17 all-nba teams.
Jordan 11 all-nba teams.
Why all-nba specifically? Its all about the longevity awards, like all-nba AND all-d

[8Ball]

Iverson. Better per game numbers. More scoring titles and years as the man. Using "totals" makes you a caged animal.



LeBron has more losses in the NBA finals - true. That isn't relevant to the topic though. Go ahead and answer the OP's question. Now is not the time to be shy.

Just answered OP's question and it was one of the most boring low IQ questions needed to be answered.


Looks like 000 struck and missed again.

[8Ball]

Why all-nba specifically? Its all about the longevity awards, like all-nba AND all-d

Because 1st team all-nba = best 5 players in a given season undisputed.
2nd team all-nba = best 10 player in the season.


Allen Iverson had 7.
DJ had 2.

Allen Iverson > DJ.



LeBron:

13× All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008–2018, 2020)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007, 2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2019)

Jordan:

10× All-NBA First Team (1987–1993, 1996–1998)
All-NBA Second Team (1985)


LeBron also has more MVP 1st / 2nd place votes than Jordan.


Looks like LeBron dominated for longer than Jordan did at the highest level.

[000]

Just answered OP's question and it was one of the most boring low IQ questions needed to be answered.


Looks like 000 struck and missed again.
You just cherrypicked though. Thats not an answer. Thats just you being retarded as usual

Dennis johnson is for sure better bc of his playoff scoring superiority, he has like 1000 more playoff points

[000]

Because 1st team all-nba = best 5 players in a given season undisputed.
2nd team all-nba = best 10 player in the season.


Allen Iverson had 7.
DJ had 2.

Allen Iverson > DJ.
But having lots of allnba just proves you had great longevity. So clearly all-d is also valid to be used since having lots of them also shows you have great longevity (on defense)

[8Ball]

All-defensive is good but not equal to all-nba.

You would take any 3rd team all-nba player over a player that only makes all-defensive.


For example, Patrick Beverly has made 1st team all-defensive but isn't even a top 50 player.

It is insanely hard to make 1st team all-nba.

[000]

All-defensive is good but not equal to all-nba.

You would take any 3rd team all-nba player over a player that only makes all-defensive.


For example, Patrick Beverly has made 1st team all-defensive but isn't even a top 50 player.

It is insanely hard to make 1st team all-nba.
Having all nba is better than having all-d for sure. But having a lot of them only proves one thing: that you had great longevity.

You know what does prove superiority as a player though? Total playoff points, the ultimate measure of a great player. Dennis johnson has a 1k point lead there:rockon:

[8Ball]

Having all nba is better than having all-d for sure. But having a lot of them only proves one thing: that you had great longevity.

You know what does prove superiority as a player though? Total playoff points, the ultimate measure of a great player. Dennis johnson has a 1k point lead there:rockon:


AI regular season points: 24000
Dennis Johnson: 15000

AI playoff points: 2000
DJ playoff points: 3100

So looks like AI is still ahead by 8000 career points.


LeBron regular season points: 35000
Jordan regular season points: 32000

LeBron playoff points 7600
Jordan playoff points 6000


You can't win these arguments against me.

[000]

AI regular season points: 24000
Dennis Johnson: 15000

AI playoff points: 2000
DJ playoff points: 3100

So looks like AI is still ahead by 8000 career points.


LeBron regular season points: 35000
Jordan regular season points: 32000

LeBron playoff points 7600
Jordan playoff points 6000


You can't win these arguments against me.
Playoff points is what matters chico. The other thing is a karl malone > lebron award. Thems the rules

[8Ball]

Wrong.

Karl Malone
11× All-NBA First Team (1989–1999)
2× All-NBA Second Team (1988, 2000)
All-NBA Third Team (2001)

LeBron:

13× All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008–2018, 2020)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007, 2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2019)


Karl Malone all time playoff points: 4600
LeBron: 7600


I consider this thread thorough destroyed like a poor little pornstar on her first day at work.

[MadDog]

Just answered OP's question and it was one of the most boring low IQ questions needed to be answered.


Looks like 000 struck and missed again.

Change your outlook then, because that's a boring answer. All-Teams are nice don't get me wrong. The only time Jordan made the 2nd team was his rookie year; LeBron made several 2nd teams. But what specifically made AI better?

[000]

Playoff points is what matters. Regseason points say karl malone > lebron james. And all-nba is for dummies aka bob cousy & bob schayes over magic, bird, wilt, jordan & co

[MadDog]

Playoff points is what matters. Regseason points say karl malone > lebron james. And all-nba is for dummies aka bob cousy & bob schayes over magic, bird, wilt, jordan & co

I think "8ball" knows better. Sounds like he's having difficulty separating longevity and prime play.

[8Ball]

Change your outlook then, because that's a boring answer. All-Teams are nice don't get me wrong. The only time Jordan made the 2nd team was his rookie year; LeBron made several 2nd teams. But what specifically made AI better?

Jordan's rookie year was after he spent 3 years in college and wasn't good enough to get drafted in the nba so he waited.

So while LeBron was getting 2nd team all-nba his 2nd year, Jordan was equivalently still is in a college dorm room.

[000]

I think "8ball" knows better. Sounds like he's having difficulty separating longevity and prime play.
Lololol dubious longevity statpadding is all these guys got. Lebron isnt actually a better player so they have to resort to these karl malone records. Pathetic

[8Ball]

Playoff points is what matters. Regseason points say karl malone > lebron james. And all-nba is for dummies aka bob cousy & bob schayes over magic, bird, wilt, jordan & co

I don't count awards and championships in an era full of white players pre-1980.

[8Ball]

Lololol dubious longevity statpadding is all these guys got. Lebron isnt actually a better player so they have to resort to these karl malone records. Pathetic

Its too bad LeBron has more longevity than Jordan and that matters in GOAT debates.

[000]

Its too bad LeBron has more longevity than Jordan and that matters in GOAT debates.
It really doesnt... lebron simps like you just repeat it 5000 times so it gets established

Like, karl malone is better than jordan in allnba and regseason points... guess that makes him better too:facepalm

[MadDog]

Jordan's rookie year was after he spent 3 years in college and wasn't good enough to get drafted in the nba so he waited.

So while LeBron was getting 2nd team all-nba his 2nd year, Jordan was equivalently still is in a college dorm room.

Jordan helped his school win a title though. At that age, its speculation whether he was good enough to be drafted. What we do know, is that when both players were NBA ready, Jordan had the bigger impact. He made the playoffs and was "1-9" or whatever, but in his first 2 years, LeBron's Cavs didn't even qualify. They were O-FER.

Back to the topic though. What specifically made AI better?

[8Ball]

It really doesnt... lebron simps like you just repeat it 5000 times so it gets established

Like, karl malone is better than jordan in allnba and regseason points... guess that makes him better too:facepalm

Definition of Great: of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average.

Longevity plays right into the definition.


So unless you want to argue something else, I will continue to bring longevity into the GOAT debate.

[000]

Definition of Great: of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average.

Longevity plays right into the definition.


So unless you want to argue something else, I will continue to bring longevity into the GOAT debate.
Karl malone over michael jordan forever and ever:cheers:

[8Ball]

Jordan helped his school win a title though. At that age, its speculation whether he was good enough to be drafted. What we do know, is that when both players were NBA ready, Jordan had the bigger impact. He made the playoffs and was "1-9" or whatever, but in his first 2 years, LeBron's Cavs didn't even qualify. They were O-FER.

Back to the topic though. What specifically made AI better?

All-nba teams:
Allen Iverson had 7.
DJ had 2.

Allen Iverson > DJ with just one basic criteria. Don't even need to go into other criteria.

[72-10]

Dennis Johnson was a much better defensive guard than Iverson was. He was among the best at staying in front of his opponents' shooting hand, had great footwork and effort on defense. Dude was a boss at the 78 Finals I think it was, and again came up big on defense in the 86 Celtics championship run. It's self-evident that his defense helped his teams win championships.

[8Ball]

Karl malone over michael jordan forever and ever:cheers:

No since Karl Malone never had the peak Jordan did.

LeBron has just as many peaks and played longer.

[000]

No since Karl Malone never had the peak Jordan did.

LeBron has just as many peaks and played longer.
Lebrons peak was in 2011

[8Ball]

Lebrons peak was in 2011

Jordans peak was 2002 and 2003.

[MadDog]

All-nba teams:
Allen Iverson had 7.
DJ had 2.

Allen Iverson > DJ with just one basic criteria. Don't even need to go into other criteria.

So just to be clear. If All-NBA teams are what matter then you agree with Schayes, Cousy, and Karl Malone > Hakeem, Jordan, Bird, and Magic. :confusedshrug:

[000]

Jordans peak was 2002 and 2003.
No it wasnt lol. Meanwhile lebron really was in his prime in 2011

[8Ball]

So just to be clear. If All-NBA teams are what matter then you agree with Schayes, Cousy, and Karl Malone > Hakeem, Jordan, Bird, and Magic. :confusedshrug:

They are one criteria.

What matters most to me for GOAT debates includes all of below:
All-nba teams
All-defensive teams
MVPs 1st and 2nd place votes.
Finals MVP
All time points
All time assists / rebounds

And of course, longevity.

[MadDog]

They are one criteria.

What matters most to me for GOAT debates includes all of below:
All-nba teams
All-defensive teams
MVPs 1st and 2nd place votes.
Finals MVP
All time points
All time assists / rebounds

And of course, longevity.

That's fair. Under that criteria though how was AI better? He's got the scoring, assists and 1 MVP. But DJ has the All-League teams, rebounds and the FMVP. More longevity too.

[Gohan]

If you think dennis johnson is better than iverson this it is not worth arguing. It's like comparing manu to jordan

[MadDog]

If you think dennis johnson is better than iverson this it is not worth arguing. It's like comparing manu to jordan

AI is clearly better. But by that poster's criteria? Not so much.

[Jasper]

even though they wore the same hat , ie- PG
DJ was a distributor first , shot second.
AI was a scorer first, pass second.
Equals ZERO comparison.

[RogueBorg]

Well?

Iverson

[RogueBorg]

Jordan's rookie year was after he spent 3 years in college and wasn't good enough to get drafted in the nba so he waited.

So while LeBron was getting 2nd team all-nba his 2nd year, Jordan was equivalently still is in a college dorm room.

So while Lebron was missing the playoffs his first two years in the league Jordan was winning a National Championship. Lebron couldn't get accepted to Akron Community College.

From 1975 to 1995 not one player went from high school straight to the NBA.

[8Ball]

So while Lebron was missing the playoffs his first two years in the league Jordan was winning a National Championship. Lebron couldn't get accepted to Akron Community College.

National Championship against college competition? Who was he playing against while LeBron was playing against NBA professionals.

[RogueBorg]

National Championship against college competition? Who was he playing against while LeBron was playing against NBA professionals.

Patrick Ewing in the championship game. North Carolina beat Akeem Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler in the prior Final Four game before Georgetown.

The fact remains Lebron couldn't get the Cavs to the playoffs his first two years in. You're the one that spouts longevity. That's part of his resume.

[Spain_]

DJ is underrated.
He is not better than Iverson but he is much closer to that tier of player than people think he is

[Lakers Legend#32]

AI was the game's best little man.

[Druckenmiller]

Alien Iverson

Not close. If Dennis Johnson hadn’t been sent to the Celtics to play with Bird, McHale, Parrish, etc no one would even know he existed. Never led the league in any statistical category, or even came close, didn’t really average that many assists for a “true PG” and was a dreadful outside shooter who shot 17% from 3 for his career.

Not impressed.

[000]

Alien Iverson

Not close. If Dennis Johnson hadn’t been sent to the Celtics to play with Bird, McHale, Parrish, etc no one would even know he existed. Never led the league in any statistical category, or even came close, didn’t really average that many assists for a “true PG” and was a dreadful outside shooter who shot 17% from 3 for his career.

Not impressed.

But what about his total playoff points and his finals appearances?

Are you saying those are... meaningless??? :eek: