MJ’s worst playoff game 1997 game 4 vs Miami Heat

[GrayGoat]

9/35

.257%

0-8 from 3

1 assist

:biggums:

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Man, LeGed had 2 finals games with less than double digit scoring (2011 and 2014). In the finals! Mike at least dropped 9 FGs.

[theman93]

What was Lebron's fg% and how many points did he score in game 4 of the 2011 Finals?

[theman93]

Lebron 2014 vs. Indiana game 6

2/10

7 points

[Gudo]

One game is fine. Off nights happen. If it's a series such as the 2011 finals, that's a different story.

[theman93]

Lebron 2017 vs Boston game 3

11 points

4/13

0/4 from 3

[RogueBorg]

Lebron 2014 vs. Indiana game 6

2/10

7 points

https://media2.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

[ImKobe]

Funny thing is that he went off in the 4th for 20 pts on 7/13 FG while the rest of the team was a combined 1/10. He started the game off 2/22 but brought them back within 1 in the 4th and ran out of gas.

[theman93]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

Lebron 2008 vs. Boston game 1

2/18

0/6 from 3

12 points

10 turnovers

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Lebron 2008 vs. Boston game 1

2/18

0/6 from 3

12 points

10 turnovers

Holy shit. OP on suicide watch.

[HoopsNY]

Lebron 2014 vs. Indiana game 6

2/10

7 points

Imagine how dumb OP is to ignore LeBron's game 5 performance in his peak, and operate as if MJ's bad performance is the be all end all.

Game 5 in 2014 vs. Indiana 2-10 (20%), 7 points, 5 fouls, 3 turnovers in 24 minutes of play.

How about Game 2 in 2006 vs. Washington? 7-25 (28%), 1-6 from 3, 2 assists, 10 TOs

How about Game 1 in 2008 vs. Boston? 2-18 (11%), 12 points, 10 TOs

How about Game 5 in 2010 vs. Boston? 3-14 (21%), 0-4 from 3

[Airupthere]

Shooter, you shoot yourself in the put again with this thread. You should have learned from the jason terry'd thread that you created. Lol

[HoopsNY]

How about going to the NBA finals, getting swept, and losing games 3 and 4 by a combined total of 4 points, averaging 22 PPG on 35.6% for the series with nearly 6 TOs (an NBA finals record), per game?

[Shaquille O'Neal]

How about going to the NBA finals, getting swept, and losing games 3 and 4 by a combined total of 4 points, averaging 22 PPG on 35.6% for the series with nearly 6 TOs (an NBA finals record), per game?

This, 100%. People gloss over his 2007 finals shitshow. Those games were close - if LeGed just had his regular season numbers it may have gone the distance. This is the post-48 pt amazing game he had vs. Detroit that same year. Dude had 4 full NBA seasons under his belt, and the Spurs weren't exactly spring chickens even in 2007. Regular season he was 27.6 PPG on much better shooting. IMO this is his 2nd worst finals and should be a bigger black mark. Don't use his age against him - hell Magic and Kawhi were winning FMVPs at age 20/21.

[GrayGoat]

All of 3ball’s accounts are in here. I’m impressed

[TheCorporation]

9/35

.257%

0-8 from 3

1 assist

:biggums:

His game 3 in the 1993 ECF when the Bulls were down 0-2 was pretty damn bad as well.

MJ shot like 16% but Big Pip was there to rescue him from going down 0-3 by shooting 83% and leading the Bulls in scoring with 29 points. Mind you MJ did this against John Starks...

[HoopsNY]

This, 100%. People gloss over his 2007 finals shitshow. Those games were close - if LeGed just had his regular season numbers it may have gone the distance. This is the post-48 pt amazing game he had vs. Detroit that same year. Dude had 4 full NBA seasons under his belt, and the Spurs weren't exactly spring chickens even in 2007. Regular season he was 27.6 PPG on much better shooting. IMO this is his 2nd worst finals and should be a bigger black mark. Don't use his age against him - hell Magic and Kawhi were winning FMVPs at age 20/21.

Yep. If he can be praised for his individual performance against Detroit, then he can be criticized for a putrid performance against SA. This is another reason why he isn't considered to be the GOAT and you simply cannot ignore such a horrid performance, especially when games 3 and 4 were within reach and lost by him.

[theman93]

Imagine how dumb OP is to ignore LeBron's game 5 performance in his peak, and operate as if MJ's bad performance is the be all end all.

Game 5 in 2014 vs. Indiana 2-10 (20%), 7 points, 5 fouls, 3 turnovers in 24 minutes of play.

How about Game 2 in 2006 vs. Washington? 7-25 (28%), 1-6 from 3, 2 assists, 10 TOs

How about Game 1 in 2008 vs. Boston? 2-18 (11%), 12 points, 10 TOs

How about Game 5 in 2010 vs. Boston? 3-14 (21%), 0-4 from 3

Woah he has two turnover double-doubles on his playoff resume?

LOL

[TheCorporation]

All of 3ball’s accounts are in here. I’m impressed

Nice work. And all it took was one mention of MJ's pitiful blunder in Game 3 of the 1993 ECF to silence them yet again.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

His game 3 in the 1993 ECF when the Bulls were down 0-2 was pretty damn bad as well.

MJ shot like 16% but Big Pip was there to rescue him from going down 0-3 by shooting 83% and leading the Bulls in scoring with 29 points. Mind you MJ did this against John Starks...

Where was "Big Pip" in 1998 Finals game 6? Or 1990 Game 7 vs. Detroit? Or 1994 during the inbound play? Right.

[HoopsNY]

Woah he has two turnover double-doubles on his playoff resume?

LOL

Yep. Bran stans are a pack of delusional morons really. I mean, look at this thread and how it backfired. They resort to the typical, "you're all 3ball alts" tactics when facts get thrown in their faces over and over.

[TheCorporation]

Where was "Big Pip" in 1998 Finals game 6? Or 1990 Game 7 vs. Detroit? Or 1994 during the inbound play? Right.

Jesus, Pippen already saved the 1-9 utter failure of a player but you still want more? Pathetic. How much help does MJ need?

[theman93]

Yep. Bran stans are a pack of delusional morons really. I mean, look at this thread and how it backfired. They resort to the typical, "you're all 3ball alts" tactics when facts get thrown in their faces over and over.

The "3ball alts" defense mechanism is hilarious especially when they result to copy and pasting debunked posts all the time.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Jesus, Pippen already saved the 1-9 utter failure of a player but you still want more? Pathetic. How much help does MJ need?

Well he only had 1 all-star next to him his entire career. Unlike others.

https://images2.imgbox.com/c4/5e/xtwenfGO_o.jpg (https://imgbox.com/xtwenfGO)

[TheCorporation]

Well he only had 1 all-star next to him his entire career. Unlike others.

https://images2.imgbox.com/c4/5e/xtwenfGO_o.jpg (https://imgbox.com/xtwenfGO)

He NEEDED Pippen. Relied on. Couldn't win without. 1-9 failure, or am I wrong?

How did he do n those 5 years without him?

[hold this L]

Curry game 2 vs Spurs in 2013 during his first PS year
9 points, 4/14

Curious to see the disasterclasses from all top end players.

[Hey Yo]

Making All-NBA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being voted to the AS game by bised fans.

[theman93]

He NEEDED Pippen. Relied on. Couldn't win without. 1-9 failure, or am I wrong?

How did he do n those 5 years without him?

But Lebron couldn't even make the playoffs until they added Larry Hughes?

[StrongLurk]

That game of Lebron vs the Pacers in the 2014 playoffs is literally the only time I have seen NBA refs purposely foul out an NBA player. The refs gave Lebron fouls literally if he was just standing in the general vicinity of a player.

I don't think we can use that game for anything..

Now his game 4 against the 2011 Mavs and his game 1 vs 2008 Boston can definitely be used.

[theman93]

That game of Lebron vs the Pacers in the 2014 playoffs is literally the only time I have seen NBA refs purposely foul out an NBA player. The refs gave Lebron fouls literally if he was just standing in the general vicinity of a player.

I don't think we can use that game for anything..

Now his game 4 against the 2011 Mavs and his game 1 vs 2008 Boston can definitely be used.
Nah he gets bogus calls in his favor literally all the time. We can use it.

[SATAN]

9/35

.257%

0-8 from 3

1 assist

:biggums:

:biggums:

[Spurs m8]

You know you're scraping the barrel when you need to focus on one single game to try and hit a legacy lmfao

Mentally ill

[Axe]

Curry game 2 vs Spurs in 2013 during his first PS year
9 points, 4/14

Curious to see the disasterclasses from all top end players.
Was that a game where he was bailed out by klay thompson and they still won? Interesting.

[Honor Boost]

Everyone has a bad game here and there and here and there but that doesn't mean they are good or bad it means they are normal humanoid.

[3ba11]

No game where a player takes 35 shots is a "bad" game.. It isn't a good game, but it isn't a bad game either

The Bulls were probably in the game the whole way because of MJ's 35 shots.

The defense has to guard those 35 shots - you don't think that making MJ miss 26 shots takes energy and wore the defense down?... Jordan's activity surely spurred a big advantage on the offensive glass and dictated the pace of the game.. The opponent's offense probably didn't look that great after being worn down by MJ's onslaught

You'll never hear this on any TV station or from pretty much any coach - but high-volume/low efficiency IS A WAY OF WINNING.. it's a viable strategy that can win games.

[TheCorporation]

Well he only had 1 all-star next to him his entire career. Unlike others.

https://images2.imgbox.com/c4/5e/xtwenfGO_o.jpg (https://imgbox.com/xtwenfGO)

Wrong

https://i.postimg.cc/L6r8vpxg/MJ-had-more-help-16-vs-7.png

[3ba11]

Wrong

https://i.postimg.cc/L6r8vpxg/MJ-had-more-help-16-vs-7.png


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Top Tier Dominant Series or Playoff Runs by Lebron's teammates

* Wade 2011 Playoffs and Finals (led Lebron in scoring)
* Kyrie 2016 Playoffs and Finals (equal-scoring partner with Lebron)
* Kyrie 2017 Playoffs and Finals (26 and 29 ppg in PO/Finals)
* AD 2020 Playoffs and Finals (led league in playoff scoring)




Top Tier Dominant Series or Playoff Runs by Jordan's teammates






Lebron needed 2 all-star teammates to win rings, or he needed a teammate to outproduce him (AD), while Jordan didn't need anything - Pippen's stats were defensive role player caliber, but his resume got inflated by the winning spotlight and association with MJ, just like Kobe got a few extra all-defense for the same reason (winning spotlight and association with MJ)

Ultimately, everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner in the playoffs for at least half their rings, while Jordan led his sidekick in every SERIES by at least 10 ppg - so there's no comparison - Jordan stands alone in carrying teams - he won 6 chips with a team of defensive role players that NEVER DOMINATED OFFENSIVELY

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Accordingly, rings with 2nd options are greater than rings with 1b's and Jordan has far more rings with true 2nd options than anyone else in history - that's his irrefutable goat argument.....




Bleacher Report calculated the difference in PER between 1st and 2nd options, and added this to the difference in WS between 1st and 2nd options to get a "Robin Factor", where Jordan clearly has the least help from his sidekick:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-10-2021/vth8NN.gif

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/825582-michael-jordan-why-his-rings-count-more-than-kareems-kobes-or-russells

[Axe]

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Top Tier Dominant Series or Playoff Runs by Lebron's teammates

* Wade 2011 Playoffs and Finals (led Lebron in scoring)
* Kyrie 2016 Playoffs and Finals (equal-scoring partner with Lebron)
* Kyrie 2017 Playoffs and Finals (26 and 29 ppg in PO/Finals)
* AD 2020 Playoffs and Finals (led league in playoff scoring)




Top Tier Dominant Series or Playoff Runs by Jordan's teammates






Lebron needed 2 all-star teammates to win rings, or he needed a teammate to outproduce him (AD), while Jordan didn't need anything - Pippen's stats were defensive role player caliber, but his resume got inflated by the winning spotlight and association with MJ, just like Kobe got a few extra all-defense for the same reason (winning spotlight and association with MJ)

Ultimately, everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner in the playoffs for at least half their rings, while Jordan led his sidekick in every SERIES by at least 10 ppg - so there's no comparison - Jordan stands alone in carrying teams - he won 6 chips with a team of defensive role players that NEVER DOMINATED OFFENSIVELY

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Accordingly, rings with 2nd options are greater than rings with 1b's and Jordan has far more rings with true 2nd options than anyone else in history - that's his irrefutable goat argument.....




Bleacher Report calculated the difference in PER between 1st and 2nd options, and added this to the difference in WS between 1st and 2nd options to get a "Robin Factor", where Jordan clearly has the least help from his sidekick:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-10-2021/vth8NN.gif

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/825582-michael-jordan-why-his-rings-count-more-than-kareems-kobes-or-russells
Still ringless without scottie pippen and phil jackson

[Spurs m8]

Imagine how dumb OP is to ignore LeBron's game 5 performance in his peak, and operate as if MJ's bad performance is the be all end all.

Game 5 in 2014 vs. Indiana 2-10 (20%), 7 points, 5 fouls, 3 turnovers in 24 minutes of play.

How about Game 2 in 2006 vs. Washington? 7-25 (28%), 1-6 from 3, 2 assists, 10 TOs

How about Game 1 in 2008 vs. Boston? 2-18 (11%), 12 points, 10 TOs

How about Game 5 in 2010 vs. Boston? 3-14 (21%), 0-4 from 3

Guess we can see how he literally has the most turnovers AND playoff turnovers IN HISTORY

can't make this up hahahaha