Talent/skill is useless now because anyone can beat USA by winning the 3-pt contest

[3ba11]

the game has been reduced to 3-point contest, so nice job today's nba fan for making the NBA go all-in on threes (a gimmick)

this is why I say that Curry isn't really great - he's just a 3-point shooter that is now impactless because every team is a great 3-point shooting team, so the impactless Curry can't lead a bunch of lottery picks to the playoffs!

[SouBeachTalents]

The impactless Curry led a bunch of lottery picks to a better record this year than Jordan ever did without Pippen

[3ba11]

The impactless Curry led a bunch of lottery picks to a better record this year than Jordan ever did without Pippen


Jordan won 50 games with rookie benchwarmer Pippen (8 ppg), while Curry had 4 Pippen's and won 40 games.


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So it isn't my opinion.. It's popovich's - he warned us

[ShawkFactory]

Does it make you sad that you need to crusade against every great basketball player that has existed since Jordan?

[3ba11]

Does it make you sad that you need to crusade against every great basketball player that has existed since Jordan?


Jordan won 50 games with rookie Pippen (8 ppg), while Curry had 4 Pippen's this year and won 40 games - aka he's impactless because every team is good at the 3-point contest, not just Curry's anymore..

The 4 Pippen's were Wiggins, Wiseman, Dray, and Oubre... And probably other guys could match young Pippen toio if we were to look at the roster.

[3ba11]

Notice how the game always comes around to 3ball's way of viewing it, because that's the way it is - that's what is actually going on

[3ba11]

I guess Team USA needed that champion strategy of the Suns' mid-range

[ralph_i_el]

Nigeria moved the ball and moved their bodies and created open 3's. If it was easy, team USA would have just done it too. Instead they lazily ISOed into a loss.

The biggest problem the Americans seem to have is that they expect NBA foul calls, and they won't get them.

[Axe]

The impactless Curry led a bunch of lottery picks to a better record this year than Jordan ever did without Pippen
Better record but without any playoff berth tho :(

[000]

Better record but without any playoff berth tho :(
All hail Silvers play in nonsense

[8Ball]

The impactless Curry led a bunch of lottery picks to a better record this year than Jordan ever did without Pippen

[3ba11]

The impactless Curry led a bunch of lottery picks to a better record this year than Jordan ever did without Pippen


Jordan won 50 games with rookie Pippen (8 ppg), while Curry had 4 Pippen's this year and won 40 games - aka he's impactless because every team is good at the 3-point contest, not just Curry's anymore..

The 4 Pippen's were lottery picks Wiggins, Wiseman, Dray, and Oubre... And probably other guys could match young Pippen toio if we were to look at the roster.

[Orange_Cassidy]

this is why lebron opted out. he knows his generation ruined the nba and turned it into a soft bubble buddy Twitter friend wwe show and he doesn't wanna take responsibility for it

[8Ball]

Pippen was the 2nd best player of the 90s.

8 all-nba teams in the 90s. Jordan played with the 2nd best player in the 90s.


It's like LeBron joining Durant for 9 years straight.

[Objectivity]

Pippen was the 2nd best player of the 90s.

8 all-nba teams in the 90s. Jordan played with the 2nd best player in the 90s.


It's like LeBron joining Durant for 9 years straight.


Wade > Pippen
Kyrie > Pippen
AD > Pippen

how much help does legoat need ?

[3ba11]

.

88' Pippen.......... 8/5.. 12 PER

21' Wiggins...... 19/6... 15 PER

21' Wiseman.... 11/6... 13 PER

21' Oubre........ 15/6... 13 PER

21' Draymond.... 8/9... 13 PER


^^^ Curry had 4 Pippen's but only won 40 games and missed playoffs, while MJ won 50 games and made the 2nd Round with rookie Pippen.

so Curry's 3-point contest style is obsolete/impactless and actually old-fashioned because the best offenses have elite mid-range guys carrying the load..

[8Ball]

Pippen was the 2nd best player of the 90s.

8 all-nba teams in the 90s. Jordan played with the 2nd best player in the 90s.

[3ba11]

Pippen was the 2nd best player of the 90s.

8 all-nba teams in the 90s. Jordan played with the 2nd best player in the 90s.


Payton and Stockton have more all-nba than Pippen and not a single person in the 90's thought Pippen was above Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Malone, Barkley, Ewing or Drexler, who had more all-nba and made the Finals as 1st options (1st option Finals guys)

So keep dreaming and saying lies - anyone can do that - Bosh was the 2nd best player of the 00's

[j3lademaster]

Nigeria moved the ball and moved their bodies and created open 3's. If it was easy, team USA would have just done it too. Instead they lazily ISOed into a loss.

The biggest problem the Americans seem to have is that they expect NBA foul calls, and they won't get them.This 100%. While I agree we have the best talent in the NBA, the superstars are so babied. It leads to this new phenomenon of players driving specifically fishing for fouls and they aren't even trying to get a shot. They throw something up, sure, and if it goes in great. But there's no real intention to make a shot, just fish for free throws. I remember D-Wade used to drive me crazy pulling this shit, but now it's become the norm. You hit the shot, 1/1 added to your fg's and a free throw, you miss and it's 0/0 added to your fg's and 2 free throws. Player ends up 8/21 fg and 9/10 ft's. But hey he scored 27 pts on 21 shots so he's still efficient(people never look at the possessions they use for the free throws in this case). It's why we see so many modern superstars drop off drastically come playoff time (Dame, Harden, Westbrook, etc).

So to op, I don't think it's the 3's. You said it yourself the key to winning a ring still lies in the midrange. The evolution of the 3 point shot was inevitably going to happen as the talent pool for basketball got better, but its 'feast or famine' nature still gives way to skilled players who are big enough(or at least play big enough) to get to their spots for high percentage shots at will.

I do agree the 3 pt era causes some bad basketball in the reg season. I'm too lazy to look up the stats but it seems like I see more blowouts with everyone living and dying by the 3. But we still have a guy like Lebron, who isn't a 3pt shooter really, able to drag mediocre squads into playoff berths by playing high iq basketball and having the physical tools to impose his will for easy baskets.

[tpols]

You would only have a point if MJ played without a 3pt line. But he didn't. And they even shortened it to help him and others who couldn't shoot.

Ironically enough, some of the Bulls most iconic plays came from 3pt shots ~ paxson 3, kerr 3, Jordan shrug game.

[j3lademaster]

You would only have a point if MJ played without a 3pt line. But he didn't. And they even shortened it to help him and others who couldn't shoot.

Ironically enough, some of the Bulls most iconic plays came from 3pt shots ~ paxson 3, kerr 3, Jordan shrug game.The go ahead 3 with 25 seconds left during the flu game....

[3ba11]

You would only have a point





I would have a point? Or Popovich???... These are his words, not mine.

The USA used to beat less talented teams because the game wasn't based on talent-less/robotic three-pointers.. I bet they could build robots to beat us now.

Today's game is based on threes, so the talent/skill doesn't matter - see the popovich quotes posted previously - "just look at the boxscore and see who shot threes better and that reveals the winner".. it's a 3-point contest, so talent doesn't matter..

[DoctorP]

Shooting the deep ball is a skill is it not?

[3ba11]

Shooting the deep ball is a skill is it not?


It's a skill, but you could program robots to do it.

Or another country can use threes to beat a USA team that had 5 all-nba players in the starting 5

[tpols]

I would have a point? Or Popovich???... These are his words, not mine.

The USA used to beat less talented teams because the game wasn't based on talent-less/robotic three-pointers.. I bet they could build robots to beat us now.

Today's game is based on threes, so the talent/skill doesn't matter - see the popovich quotes posted previously - "just look at the boxscore and see who shot threes better and that reveals the winner".. it's a 3-point contest, so talent doesn't matter..

If talent didn't matter how come the best players win?

Its not anybody's fault there were so many guys like Oakley, Rodman, and Mason in the 90s... guys who couldn't shoot a lick. Basketball should be about basketball ~ ie how good are you at putting the ball in the basket. It shouldn't be a goonfest about who can punch and shove the other out the way. If you want that? Watch MMA. Or boxing. Basketball is about basketball and today's players simply shoot way better. The only thing I wish they'd change is allowing defenders to hit back on players whose whole game is hitting defenders and doing layups. That's not basketball. But were going to see plenty of it today.

[ralph_i_el]

I would have a point? Or Popovich???... These are his words, not mine.

The USA used to beat less talented teams because the game wasn't based on talent-less/robotic three-pointers.. I bet they could build robots to beat us now.

Today's game is based on threes, so the talent/skill doesn't matter - see the popovich quotes posted previously - "just look at the boxscore and see who shot threes better and that reveals the winner".. it's a 3-point contest, so talent doesn't matter..

Those "less talented" teams aren't so much "less talented" now. 10 years ago Nigeria would have 1-2 NBA guys. Now they have 16 and they have to make cuts. Half the teams we face will be full of NBA or Euroleague pros now. You can't just play lazy and expect to win.

[Axe]

All hail Silvers play in nonsense
Reasons. No klay, no play occurred once more. Wild wild west indeed.:cry:

[Xiao Yao You]

If talent didn't matter how come the best players win?

Its not anybody's fault there were so many guys like Oakley, Rodman, and Mason in the 90s... guys who couldn't shoot a lick. Basketball should be about basketball ~ ie how good are you at putting the ball in the basket. It shouldn't be a goonfest about who can punch and shove the other out the way. If you want that? Watch MMA. Or boxing. Basketball is about basketball and today's players simply shoot way better. The only thing I wish they'd change is allowing defenders to hit back on players whose whole game is hitting defenders and doing layups. That's not basketball. But were going to see plenty of it today.

Oakley could shoot shoot and psdd the ball while Mason averaged over 3 assists a game for his career so obviously more than just goons but go ahead and post about guys you must've never seen play

[000]

Reasons. No klay, no play occurred once more. Wild wild west indeed.:cry:
You're an idiot.

[ImKobe]

If talent didn't matter how come the best players win?

Its not anybody's fault there were so many guys like Oakley, Rodman, and Mason in the 90s... guys who couldn't shoot a lick. Basketball should be about basketball ~ ie how good are you at putting the ball in the basket. It shouldn't be a goonfest about who can punch and shove the other out the way. If you want that? Watch MMA. Or boxing. Basketball is about basketball and today's players simply shoot way better. The only thing I wish they'd change is allowing defenders to hit back on players whose whole game is hitting defenders and doing layups. That's not basketball. But were going to see plenty of it today.

Issue is that the offensive player is often allowed to "goon it up" by initiating contact and the defender can't fight back without picking up a foul. Add that on top of having 4 shooters around you to space the floor and it's a no-brainer that these guys have insane stat lines every season as opposed to what the game was just less than a decade ago. Lebron's 30/10/6 average was kind of historic in his 2012 title run, now at least 5 (if not 10, Paul George was a 30/11/6 player post-Kawhi's injury) guys can do that with how the game is played and officiated in today's league.

Players have more range but most are not as talented inside the arc/not as great at finishing through contact as players used to be in the 90s-late 2000s. I wouldn't say one era is better than the other, but we have to point out how the rule changes and the style of play leads to inflated numbers, which is why you have a player like Paul George do what Kobe, KD and MJ did with the 20+pt Playoff streak for 18+ games. Better ISO/shooting skills but team play is a lot worse overall and the finishing ability has diminished quite a bit too.

The Rodman/Oakley types exist in every era. Rudy Gobert can't really score if you gave him the ball and told him to get a bucket in the post, but he can still average 14-16 a game with pace & space of today's league (gets exposed when playing in the Euros/WC).

[Axe]

You're an idiot.
Says the bitter dup rofl

[3ba11]

This thread is aging wonderfully, just like 95% of 3ball's threads

[ShawkFactory]

This thread is aging wonderfully, just like 95% of 3ball's threads

Jerami Grant and Darius Garland are getting 15 minutes a game on this team :lol

[ELITEpower23]

The impactless Curry led a bunch of lottery picks to a better record this year than Jordan ever did without Pippen

[3ba11]

The impactless Curry led a bunch of lottery picks to a better record this year than Jordan ever did without Pippen


Curry had about 8 teammates better than rookie Pippen, yet he missed playoffs, while MJ got the 3 seed and won 50 games... And made the 2nd Round

So curry is nowhere near Jordan... Once Pippen reached Andrew Wiggins' scoring level, Jordan won 6 titles.

lol.. keep dreaming

[ELITEpower23]

Curry had about 8 teammates better than rookie Pippen, yet he missed playoffs, while MJ got the 3 seed and won 50 games... And made the 2nd Round

So curry is nowhere near Jordan... Once Pippen reached Andrew Wiggins' scoring level, Jordan won 6 titles.

lol.. keep dreaming

Curry had to face the Goat in the Finals, Jordan faced Gary Payton and Karl Malone. Top 1 vs Top 30 is a bit different

[3ba11]

Curry had to face the Goat in the Finals, Jordan faced Gary Payton and Karl Malone. Top 1 vs Top 30 is a bit different


Curry faced the worst comp/Finals teams in history - literally - Lebron has the worst Finals record in 3-pointer history - literally everyone beats him.. everyone curb-stomps him by record amount, infact

Beating the biggest loser in history means nothing and only proves that Curry ain't shit

[ralph_i_el]

Curry faced the worst comp/Finals teams in history - literally - Lebron has the worst Finals record in 3-pointer history - literally everyone beats him.. everyone curb-stomps him by record amount, infact

Karl Malone was 0 rings in 19 years.

[3ba11]

Karl Malone was 0 rings in 19 years.


Curry beat the worst Finals teams in history - the worst record ever - the worst Finals comp ever - it's just more proof of his fraudulence

And Lebron has zero rings without teaming up - it's funny how Lebron fans pretend everyone else is stupid and didn't see what he did (colluded)

If Karl teamed up with Drexler and McHale, he'd win every year - yet Lebron loses nearly every year - he mostly loses with super-teams, aka he sucks

[ELITEpower23]

Curry faced the worst comp/Finals teams in history - literally - Lebron has the worst Finals record in 3-pointer history - literally everyone beats him.. everyone curb-stomps him by record amount, infact

Beating the biggest loser in history means nothing and only proves that Curry ain't shit

# of Finals MVPs in modern era (Post WNBA 3-pointer line 1996-2021)

LeBron: 4
Jordan: 3
Shaq: 3

So he has actually won most all time in Post WNBA 3pointer era. Anything else you'd like to add before I dismiss you?

[ralph_i_el]

Curry beat the worst Finals teams in history - facts - the worst Finals comp ever

And Lebron has zero rings without teaming up - it's funny how Lebron fans pretend everyone else is stupid and didn't see what he did (colluded)

If Karl teamed up with Drexler and McHale, he'd win every year - yet Lebron loses nearly every year - he mostly loses with super-teams, aka he sucks

I'm not even a LeBron fan, I'm just not delusional. The 2011 Mavs and 2014 Spurs are two of my favorite teams all time (plus the 2008 Celtics)

[3ba11]

# of Finals MVPs in modern era (Post WNBA 3-pointer line 1996-2021)

LeBron: 4
Jordan: 3
Shaq: 3

So he has actually won most all time in Post WNBA 3pointer era. Anything else you'd like to add before I dismiss you?


Zero rings without team-hopping.. Think about that - zero organic rings for a guy that you think is goat.

And Lebron mostly loses with super-teams... think about that for a second.. Curry wins 70 with Klay, but Lebron barely wins 50 with Kyrie... Lebron simply sucks.. Curry might be better, which shows how bad Lebron is.

[ELITEpower23]

Zero rings without team-hopping.. Think about that - zero organic rings for a guy that you think is goat.

And Lebron mostly loses with super-teams... think about that for a second.. Curry wins 70 with Klay, but Lebron barely wins 50 with Kyrie... Lebron simply sucks.. Curry might be better, which shows how bad Lebron is.

# of Finals MVPs in modern era (Post WNBA 3-pointer line 1996-2021)

LeBron: 4
Jordan: 3
Shaq: 3

LeBron has actually won most all time in the Post WNBA 3pointer era (1996 to present). Anything else you'd like to add before I dismiss you?

[3ba11]

# of Finals MVPs in modern era (Post WNBA 3-pointer line 1996-2021)

LeBron: 4
Jordan: 3
Shaq: 3

LeBron has actually won most all time in the Post WNBA 3pointer era (1996 to present). Anything else you'd like to add before I dismiss you?


The line was shortened for the 94-97' seasons, so Jordan has 4 rings from the regular line.

And the shorter line shrunk the court and reduced spacing, so the game was actually much harder, which is why scoring plummeted from 94-97' (the years of the shortened line)

Carry on with your delusions

[FireDavidKahn]

It's some damn v exhibition games:roll:

Wait until they actually count before you go flapping your gums

[DoctorP]

It's some damn v exhibition games:roll:

Wait until they actually count before you go flapping your gums

the USA standard used to be higher, people haven't adjusted yet

[And1AllDay]

# of Finals MVPs in modern era (Post WNBA 3-pointer line 1996-2021)

LeBron: 4
Jordan: 3
Shaq: 3

LeBron has actually won most all time in the Post WNBA 3pointer era (1996 to present). Anything else you'd like to add before I dismiss you?

bingo

[3ba11]

It's some damn v exhibition games:roll:

Wait until they actually count before you go flapping your gums


You're still in denial?

How can a team of all-nba players lose to a team of NBA benchwarmers, role players or guys that couldn't even make the league?

Clearly, talent/skill doesn't matter anymore because whoever shoots threes better wins.. So any bum team can beat us.

Btw, it's no surprise that Team USA started it's history of losing when Lebron was on the team in 2004 and 2006 - they've been losers for decades - only the MJ clone saved them in 2008 (kobe)

[FireDavidKahn]

You're still in denial?

How can a team of all-nba players lose to a team of NBA benchwarmers, role players or guys that couldn't even make the league?

Clearly, talent/skill doesn't matter anymore because whoever shoots threes better wins.. So any bum team can beat us.

Btw, it's no surprise that Team USA started it's history of losing when Lebron was on the team in 2004 and 2006 - they've been losers for decades - only the MJ clone saved them in 2008 (kobe)

The dream team lost to a college team

[3ba11]

The dream team lost to a college team


They got beat at basketball - it happens

But the current team USA isn't losing at basketball - they're getting beat in the 3-point contest... REPEATEDLY

The lack of chemistry should be offset by the talent advantage, but it isn't.. So something else is going on.. Oh right - it's a 3-point contest so any tom, dick and harry can beat our goat talent

[FKAri]

They got beat at basketball - it happens

But the current team USA isn't losing at basketball - they're getting beat in the 3-point contest... REPEATEDLY

I'd say it's more embarrassing to lose at basketball than a 3-point contest. If that is your argument.

[3ba11]

I'd say it's more embarrassing to lose at basketball than a 3-point contest. If that is your argument.


the current USA is getting:

beat by scrubs repeatedly - let that sink in

so there's something going on here.. it's a combination of the 3-point contest that anyone can win by shooting well, and a tougher brand of team basketball and rules that the US team lacks the skills to play - Broussard said that the US players know how to play 1 or 2-man basketball, while international teams learn to play 5-on-5 basketball from a young age

[Axe]

This thread is aging wonderfully, just like 95% of 3ball's threads
Sure, like oubre > klay. 😒

[TheCorporation]

I'd say it's more embarrassing to lose at basketball than a 3-point contest. If that is your argument.

FKAri is a legend. Always finds a way to roast at any moment. High IQ :cheers:

[3ba11]

Bump

[tpols]

The dream team lost to a college team

In a practice scrimmage. USA is losing real Olympic contests today. Dream team was winning every game by like 50.

[And1AllDay]

I'd say it's more embarrassing to lose at basketball than a 3-point contest. If that is your argument.

FKAri is a legend. Always finds a way to roast at any moment. High IQ :cheers:

[Bronbron23]

The dream team lost to a college team

In a scrimmage sure. Not in real play. If we're counting scrimmages and exhibitions mj beat an nba all star team 8-0 before even playing an nba game.

[3ba11]

Here's a robot made by the Japanese that hits 100% of threes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH9m0L7F-sE


So talent and skill is no longer needed to play - just shoot threes - even a robot can do it

[MadDog]

Here's a robot made by the Japanese that hits 100% of threes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH9m0L7F-sE


So talent and skill is no longer needed to play - just shoot threes - even a robot can do it

Nah. France beat USA shooting like shit from three. The US is poorly constructed, and the NBA rules have made them soft.

[3ba11]

Nah. France beat USA shooting like shit from three. The US is poorly constructed, and the NBA rules have made them soft.


So would you prefer a team of NBA bench-warmers instead? Because that's what the other countries have.

Team USA starts an all-nba team - there's no excuse for losing to NBA bench-warmers.

Three-pointers and physical basketball have lessened the need to match the USA's athletic talent - our guys can't play real basketball anymore - we can only run high screen rolls and play a weak AAU brand that gets repeatedly crushed by lesser talent.. The NBA style has literally made our guys lesser basketball players than they used to be.

[MadDog]

So would you prefer a team of NBA bench-warmers instead? Because that's what the other countries have.

Team USA starts an all-nba team - there's no excuse for losing to NBA bench-warmers.

Three-pointers and physical basketball have lessened the need to match the USA's athletic talent - our guys can't play real basketball anymore - we can only run high screen rolls and play a weak AAU brand that gets repeatedly crushed by lesser talent.. The NBA style has literally made our guys lesser basketball players than they used to be.

Its not about what I prefer. Its just a fact they are poorly constructed. No real pointguard and outside of Jrue Holiday, no defense. No real bigs which is why they're gonna be murdered on the boards. Their offense will be nothing short of your turn, my turn.

Bench warmers, stars, whatever necessary. At the end of the day its still basketball. And how the pieces fit absolutely matter. Like I said, France won shooting like 20% from 3. Horrible! No excuses, you're right. But USA got worked by a team simply playing better ball.

[ninjaseal]

Stockton ball is better then lilliard and cp3 ball , let that sink in

[ninjaseal]

Todays kids dont know how to pass , TO MUCH WANTING TO BE LIKE STEPH JORDAN AND KOBE

[WhiteKyrie]

The dream team lost to a college team

Not really. And that team was chalk full of players that would be all stars and superstars within 2-3 years.

And coach Daley purposely held out Jordan.

He wanted them to lose with certain substitutions and game planning and literal managing or manipulating of the game clock to ensure they lost.

Next game he played MJ more. Motivated Team USA. And they slaughtered. Mashburn talks about it on the Knuckle heads podcast.

Said playing against Mike in 1992 against hall of famers and current superstars and future all stars looked like a man amongst boys.

Daley wanted to make the team feel vulnerable and embarrassed and to keep them sharp or not complacent. Something a lot of the current teams (2007, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2016 never did) because they were on some level motivated

Losing started with the 2002 team. Continued with 2004. 2006 had one fluky loss to an exposed roster with lack of quality defense. Only with Kobe coming back from knee surgery restoring the luster, intimidation and dominance in 2007.