Giannis has now more 40 point finals games then Kobe

[coastalmarker99]

In his first three finals games, Giannis has now put up more 40 point games in the finals than Kobe who appeared in seven finals and played a total of 37 finals games.

[Axe]

Also more than stephen curry too :banana:

[Orange_Cassidy]

kobes 81 adjusted for today's pace is over 100.. so whatever he had in the finals before add on 10 points

[TheCorporation]

People need to learn the value of LeBron ball. Chucker ball doesn't work too well in the modern, skilled era.

[Code Breaker]

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[1987_Lakers]

:oldlol:

[Jasper]

The difference is Kobe had to give himself a nickname,

Giannis just was named greek freak when he was a rook

[coastalmarker99]

:oldlol:

And before Kobe stans run into this thread to defend him it's important to note that he took way more shots than Giannis in the final as he played at his own pace and he wasn't a role player that took 5 shots.

Kobe averaged 22 FGAs in the finals and he was the 2nd option in half of those, as a first option he averaged 27+ FGA.

[nayte]

More then wilt too.

[coastalmarker99]

More then wilt too.

Yep indeed.

[Axe]

More then wilt too.
:milton

[deathawaitu]

So Kobe did more that doesn’t show on the box score to help the Lakers win 5 rings?

Damn memba mentality too good

Too bad Lebron and giannis only cares about empty stats

In GOATbe we trust. Rip

[Orange_Cassidy]

People need to learn the value of LeBron ball. Chucker ball doesn't work too well in the modern, skilled era.

chucker ball over the past 30 years

jordan 6
hakeem 2
shaq 3
kobe 4
dirk 1
wade 1
kawhi 1
Durant 2
curry 2

team ball

spurs 5
warriors 1
pistons 1
Celtics 1
sun's 1?


lebron ball

lebron 1 (in a fake lockout season)
ray allen 1*
kyrie 1*
Mickey mouse 1*

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Giannis is a MONSTER. THE best big man in the 21st century, much better then Shaq\Duncan who couldn't guard in space (shaq) or were not as dominant offensively (Duncan).

The only big man who comes close in the last 30 years is Hakeem.

[coastalmarker99]

So Kobe did more that doesn’t show on the box score to help the Lakers win 5 rings?

Damn memba mentality too good

Too bad Lebron and giannis only cares about empty stats

In GOATbe we trust. Rip

Giannis is 26 and he has never played with the best player in the league like Kobe did for 7 years

[nayte]

Yep indeed.

Debunking the myths:applause:

[SouBeachTalents]

What's hilarious too is the one instance he scored 40, he came back in the 4th quarter of a 25 point game with 7 minutes left, he had to statpad in a blowout to reach exactly 40, the only time he did so in 7 Finals appearances :lol

[1987_Lakers]

chucker ball over the past 30 years

jordan 6
hakeem 2
shaq 3
kobe 4
dirk 1
wade 1
kawhi 1
Durant 2
curry 2

All of these players were more efficient than Kobe.

[Orange_Cassidy]

The difference is Kobe had to give himself a nickname,

Giannis just was named greek freak when he was a rook

people don't usually get nicknames when they have original distinctful names already

nobody wanted to call magic "earvin"

nobody wants to call the freak "giannis"

nobody wants to call the joker "Nikola"



Kobe is iconic enough as it is. mamba isn't even necessary really

[Orange_Cassidy]

All of these players were more efficient than Kobe.

who was the best player in the 2013 and 2015 finals

[Full Court]

people don't usually get nicknames when they have original distinctful names already

nobody wanted to call magic "earvin"

nobody wants to call the freak "giannis"

nobody wants to call the joker "Nikola"



Kobe is iconic enough as it is. mamba isn't even necessary really

What are you talking about? Who in the world doesn't want to call Joker "Nikola"???

[8Ball]

Giannis is 26 and he has never played with the best player in the league like Kobe did for 7 years

8*

97-98-99-00-01-02-03-04

[coastalmarker99]

What's hilarious too is the one instance he scored 40, he came back in the 4th quarter of a 25 point game with 7 minutes left, he had to statpad in a blowout to reach exactly 40, the only time he did so in 7 Finals appearances :lol

:roll:

That's shameless.

[coastalmarker99]

Back-to-back 40 point finals games less than 2 weeks after snapping his knee the wrong way.

Legend.

[Orange_Cassidy]

What's hilarious too is the one instance he scored 40, he came back in the 4th quarter of a 25 point game with 7 minutes left, he had to statpad in a blowout to reach exactly 40, the only time he did so in 7 Finals appearances :lol



I dont even know if you're talking about kobe right now because I never really cared if kobe scored 30/40 or 50 in the finals. the ring was all that mattered. I only cared about kobes big scoring games when that's all there was to look forward to like in 06 and 07 when he had kwame and smash in the starting lineup


but just a bit of context here for ya


the finals was always either a joke for kobe with pathetic eastern conference chumps that didn't belong in mostly routes. or they were grind it out defensive battles. in either case it's hard to have a big scoring game. especially when in all of those finals kobe is dealing with major injuries

[8Ball]

The only 3 players with back to back 40 point 10 rebound games:

Shaq 00, LeBron 2016, Giannis 2021.

What a time.

[8Ball]

I dont even know if you're talking about kobe right now because I never really cared if kobe scored 30/40 or 50 in the finals. the ring was all that mattered. I only cared about kobes big scoring games when that's all there was to look forward to like in 06 and 07 when he had kwame and smash in the starting lineup


but just a bit of context here for ya


the finals was always either a joke for kobe with pathetic eastern conference chumps that didn't belong in mostly routes. or they were grind it out defensive battles. in either case it's hard to have a big scoring game. especially when in all of those finals kobe is dealing with major injuries

Who cares if Kobe is scoring 16ppg or 25ppg when he got Shaq doing all the hunting for him?



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[MadDog]

Giannis is a MONSTER. THE best big man in the 21st century, much better then Shaq\Duncan who couldn't guard in space (shaq) or were not as dominant offensively (Duncan).

The only big man who comes close in the last 30 years is Hakeem.

Not just better, but "MUCH" better? You're on drugs. :oldlol: Shaq had THREE 40 point games in the 00 finals, which is basically what he averaged for the series. In total, Shaq has FIVE 40 point games in the finals. And three finals he was visibly more dominant than Giannis in. No team, past or present, and in their RIGHT MIND, is drafting Giannis over Shaq.

[Orange_Cassidy]

Who cares if Kobe is scoring 16ppg or 25ppg when he got Shaq doing all the hunting for him?



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nobody cares about mvps against Rickey Smithers and Todd mccowflap

[Axe]

Not just better, but "MUCH" better? You're on drugs. :oldlol: Shaq had THREE 40 point games in the 00 finals, which is basically what he averaged for the series. In total, Shaq has FIVE 40 point games in the finals. And three finals he was visibly more dominant than Giannis in. No team, past or present, and in their RIGHT MIND, is drafting Giannis over Shaq.
Tbh nobody sane would take his opinions seriously itb.

[Orange_Cassidy]

Not just better, but "MUCH" better? You're on drugs. :oldlol: Shaq had THREE 40 point games in the 00 finals, which is basically what he averaged for the series. In total, Shaq has FIVE 40 point games in the finals. And three finals he was visibly more dominant than Giannis in. No team, past or present, and in their RIGHT MIND, is drafting Giannis over Shaq.

I mean.. this just proves how pathetic Rick sh*ts was.. shaq wasn't doing that against the blazers. how come

[TheCorporation]

chucker ball over the past 30 years

jordan 6
hakeem 2
shaq 3
kobe 4
dirk 1
wade 1
kawhi 1
Durant 2
curry 2

team ball

spurs 5
warriors 1
pistons 1
Celtics 1
sun's 1?


lebron ball

lebron 1 (in a fake lockout season)
ray allen 1*
kyrie 1*
Mickey mouse 1*

Wrong lmao

Curry tried chucker ball for five straight finals and netted himself zero FMVPs
Kobe also tried chucker ball for seven finals and netted himself two FMVPs.
2 for 12, yikes

Dirk, Kawhi and KD are not chucker ball. Your response, as submitted, is a D-

Good try, good effort. Please resubmit a non-melty response at your earliest convenience if you'd like to increase your NBA IQ.

[MadDog]

I mean.. this just proves how pathetic Rick sh*ts was.. shaq wasn't doing that against the blazers. how come

Shaq cooked Dale Davis too. Then destroyed Mutombo the following year. Who is Giannis being guarded by? Ayton? Lol regardless, we're talking about Shaq vs Giannis. You don't actually think the comparison is legit, right? :confusedshrug:

[Mr.GOAT2408]

It was a more defensive oriented and slower era when Kobe played, on top of that he usually faced historically dominant defenses even relative to the strong defenses of that era (especially in his best years).

Not taking anything away from Giannis, it's easily the best back to back 40 point performance in a finals series that I've witnessed since Shaq did it (even that's debatable, Shaq faced Smits the year before he retired :roll:), but some missing context

[RRR3]

chucker ball over the past 30 years

jordan 6
hakeem 2
shaq 3
kobe 4
dirk 1
wade 1
kawhi 1
Durant 2
curry 2

team ball

spurs 5
warriors 1
pistons 1
Celtics 1
sun's 1?


lebron ball

lebron 1 (in a fake lockout season)
ray allen 1*
kyrie 1*
Mickey mouse 1*
Wade was basically a 6’4 LeBron lol at putting him in the first category. Shaq a chucker? HOW? The rest is just too retarded to comment on

[TheCorporation]

Will Giannis erase Kobe's career in one Finals run?

Could be another good thread title.

[lakerstekkenn]

The Greek Freak isn't being guarded correctly just yet, he plays a different position then Kobe, he has a different built is bigger stronger and plays the post position if Giannis played in the 80s 90s against against Rodman Detroit Pistons Jordan Bulls he would've gotten shut down his scoring would've dropped like crazy because they would've made him into a jump shooter Rodman would've shut him down.

If Kobe played in the 80s 90s against the same teams Kobe would've sliced them to shreds with jumpers and attacking the basket using his quickness.

Two different players with different styles of play and today's teams have better three point shooting roll players then Kobe ever had when he was without Shaq Kobe had the Machine who couldn't score when it mattered he was a no show and others that would barely score not even in double figures Bynum had no knees and Kobe had Dacos as a backup Center the only roll player that started playing good giving him double digits then left was Ariza he played good defense and hit open shots, Artest was crazy as hell and up and down at times plus he's not a smart player but a incredible defensive player, Kobe had seriously bad roll players and still managed to get two more rings, so Kobe had to carry those guys the whole season and the playoffs until he started getting spent and his numbers dropped, you can only go so fare and put out so much energy until your body won't do it at that level plus the incredible defense Boston was playing even beating James teams but Kobe beat them finally.

[lakerstekkenn]

Replace Kobe with Giannis on Kobe's 2 peat Lakers team and tell us if that team would win the finals twice, I can tell you right now Gainnis Lakers don't win the championship against Orlando nor against Boston.

Put Kobe on this Milwaukee team and Kobe wins 3 rings and beats this Suns team.

[SouBeachTalents]

Replace Kobe with Giannis on Kobe's 2 peat Lakers team and tell us if that team would win the finals twice, I can tell you right now Gainnis Lakers don't win the championship against Orlando nor against Boston.

Put Kobe on this Milwaukee team and Kobe wins 3 rings and beats this Suns team.
Giannis on that Lakers team would be a fcking joke, their best perimeter player would be Ariza or Artest. WOAT spacing for Giannis to operate :lol And sure, I wouldn't dispute that Kobe wins a ring with the Bucks this season, but I think he's better suited with bigs as his best teammates than with perimeter players like Middleton & Jrue. And if, which is obv a big if at this point, the other stars stay healthy Kobe's not winning 3 rings going up against the Nets, Clippers & Lakers

[000]

Will he get a 42 gamescore finals game like the great jimmy butler did last year?:confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

Different eras. Neither Lebron nor Kobe got a 40-point game until their 6th NBA Finals series. Doesn't mean they were worse scorers than Giannis. Prime Kobe never played a defense as bad as the 2021 Suns in the Finals either, he played elite perimeter defenses in 6 of the 7 Finals with the '00 Pacers being the exception (where he was just 21 and got injured after just 1 game) but still were much better in DRTG than the Suns.

'00 Pacers 103.6 DRTG (13th)
'01 Sixers 98.9 DRTG (5th)
'02 Nets: 99.5 DRTG (1st)
'04 Pistons: 95.4 DRTG (2nd)
'08 Celtics 98.9 DRTG (1st)
'09 Magic 101.9 DRTG (1st)
'10 Celtics 103.8 DRTG (5th)

'21 Suns 111.3 DRTG (9th)

Obviously it's much easier to score in today's NBA and numbers have been inflated ever since the Warriors popularized the small ball/3PT chucking style of play that has led to more spacing/more transition scoring off long rebounds.


Replace Kobe with Giannis on Kobe's 2 peat Lakers team and tell us if that team would win the finals twice, I can tell you right now Gainnis Lakers don't win the championship against Orlando nor against Boston.

Put Kobe on this Milwaukee team and Kobe wins 3 rings and beats this Suns team.

Agreed. Giannis isn't a closer nor a reliable FT shooter either, so who's going to take over in crunch time? You can't really play him and Pau together either, Pau can't stretch the floor like Brook Lopez does. Who's the ball-handler/clutch shot taker in crunch time? Giannis? :kobe: Their defense would be solid (PGs would still light Derek Fisher up like they did in all those PO series) but I couldn't imagine their offense being any good without an elite perimeter scorer.

[Manny98]

More then wilt too.
:roll::roll::roll:

[Bronbron23]

In his first three finals games, Giannis has now put up more 40 point games in the finals than Kobe who appeared in seven finals and played a total of 37 finals games.

I wonder if playing in the easiest scoring era ever has anything yo do with that? Hate to break it to u but no way in hell greek does this in the 00's.

[deathawaitu]

Giannis is 26 and he has never played with the best player in the league like Kobe did for 7 years

Giannis played in the easy east for years

Kobe never had that luxury

Also scoring 40 points in this weak era is suppose to be impressive? Lol

You sure have low standard kId

[MaxPlayer]

Hard to score 40 when you miss 60% of your shots

[lakerstekkenn]

Giannis on that Lakers team would be a fcking joke, their best perimeter player would be Ariza or Artest. WOAT spacing for Giannis to operate :lol And sure, I wouldn't dispute that Kobe wins a ring with the Bucks this season, but I think he's better suited with bigs as his best teammates than with perimeter players like Middleton & Jrue. And if, which is obv a big if at this point, the other stars stay healthy Kobe's not winning 3 rings going up against the Nets, Clippers & Lakers

Kobe beats the Nets and Lakers and Clippers and Suns with this Milwaukee team, Kobe would be licking his chops with all of those shooters and good roll players he would've had.


Milwaukee also has a big man who can post with size, so I don't know what your getting at Lopez can do what Pau did and what Bynum did, so inside size scoring isn't a problem.


Kobe is a ball dominant shooting guard that needs three point shooters and inside post players that can rebound and play defense and score, those types of roll players help Kobe thrive win and destroy other teams defense, Kobe had to do everything by himself because his teammates were up and down especially Odom the Machine and Bynum with his bad Kness Pau was soft and played harder on his Olympic team but played soft sometimes with the Lakers everyone else could only give you single digits, Kobe with Milwaukee is a dream answered for Kobe, he wins three rings and beats the Nets like he beat Boston when everyone thought Boston would destroy the Lakers, Kobe carried that team to 7 games until he was spent, then the roll players played incredible defense and showed up, Artest finally hit open shots, Kobe wouldn't have to worry about his supporting cast playing with the Bucks.

[lakerstekkenn]

I am waiting for the Suns to adjust and send that double team when Giannis makes his first move setting up his scoring move Giannis will have to dribble spin then pump fake dribble then jump close to the basket, the Suns will have to send that second defender when Giannis is dribbling with his head down spinning, the Suns will have to strip the ball, or trap Giannis or cause a jump ball, when Giannis gets aggressive make him charge you by standing your ground gaining your defensive position.



The 2009 championship Lakers did this to Howard shutting him down stopping his offense when he's making his moves sending a second and third defender trapping him or making him rush bad shots, the Suns have two days of film study practice and studying past defense against big men, the next game they should be able defensively to cut Giannis points in half making him work harder and getting him in foul trouble, if not then they have a different strategy in beating the Bucks or might lose this series if they don't slow down Giannis because he has two days off to re-energize from his serious hard play, something past players didn't have an extra day off because usually the Finals are played every other day from my memory I don't remember teams playing every game with two days off.

[Jay-B]

And still can’t even hold Kobe’s jock strap, giannis with 2 40 point lay up games in the biggest fraud injury prone playoffs ever.

[000]

Giannis still has less 40 pt games on 70% shooting in the Finals than Jimmy G Buckets