If MJ had lost to Barkley in 1993, does he retire?

[3ba11]

Ultimately, Jordan's unprecedented winning and stats (3-peat and 40 ppg) allowed him the luxury to retire.

[coastalmarker99]

Ultimately, Jordan's unprecedented winning and stats (3-peat and 40 ppg) allowed him the luxury to retire.

MJ was mentally done after 1993 so yeah I still think he retires even if he had lost those finals to the Suns.

[coastalmarker99]

I also do think that had he lost the 1998 finals and blown a 3 1 series lead to the Jazz that he would have come back for the 1998-1999 season.




The Bulls were on fumes at the end of game 6 and if MJ misses the shot or Malone does not turn over the ball then I think with Pippen being seriously hurt that they would have lost that game seven.

[ClipperRevival]

I also do think that had he lost the 1998 finals and blown a 3 1 series lead to the Jazz that he would have come back for the 1998-1999 season.




The Bulls were on fumes at the end of game 6 and if MJ misses the shot or Malone does not turn over the ball then I think with Pippen being seriously hurt that they would have lost that game seven.

Exactly!

And most who saw the series recognizes this. Pip was a shade of himself and Rodman mentally checked out. That's why that sequence was GOAT stuff.

[coastalmarker99]

Exactly!

And most who saw the series recognizes this. Pip was a shade of himself and Rodman mentally checked out. That's why that sequence was GOAT stuff.

Malone had finally figured out Rodman after game 4 and he was downright abusing him in games 5 and 6.



And that's the main reason why I don't think the Bulls win a game seven on the road in 1998 especially when you factor In Pippen being hurt.

[Hey Yo]

MJ still plays after losing in 93' even though his dad was murdered?

He doesnt quit to play baseball if the Bulls lost?

[ClipperRevival]

What seldom gets talked about is how thoroughly MJ dominated Chuck. MJ had some video game series against Chuck in the late 1980's. Bball ref it.

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[ClipperRevival]

MJ still plays after losing in 93' even though his dad was murdered?

He doesnt quit to play baseball if the Bulls lost?

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[FKAri]

Yes. Ditto for 98.

[Hey Yo]

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It's a legit question, stupidfuk

If he plays, when does he carry out his father's wishes by playing baseball?

[ClipperRevival]

It's a legit question, stupidfuk

If he plays, when does he carry out his father's wishes by playing baseball?

Saids the guy whose 90% of his posts are about MJ "quitting."

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[FKAri]

It's a legit question, stupidfuk

If he plays, when does he carry out his father's wishes by playing baseball?

You're on the money. I think Clippersfan is just being sensitive and thinks you're attacking MJ.

[Axe]

It's a legit question, stupidfuk

If he plays, when does he carry out his father's wishes by playing baseball?
Why are you so obsessed with him anyway, soccer mom?

[And1AllDay]

MJ still plays after losing in 93' even though his dad was murdered?

He doesnt quit to play baseball if the Bulls lost?

threaddddd overrrr

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[And1AllDay]

3baLLLLLLLL got all his alts melting

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[nayte]

MJ still plays after losing in 93' even though his dad was murdered?

He doesnt quit to play baseball if the Bulls lost?


Tough one. He wanted the three peat to separate from magic etc but wants to play baseball for his dad.butterfly effect I suppose

[3ba11]

MJ still plays after losing in 93' even though his dad was murdered?

He doesnt quit to play baseball if the Bulls lost?


anyone who watched MJ knows that he would never have retired if he lost.

it's a no-brainer but this scenario was never considered by anyone because losing to Barkley never entered anyone's thinking, including Jordan's

[SouBeachTalents]

it's a no-brainer but this scenario was never considered by anyone because losing to Barkley never entered anyone's thinking, including Jordan's
Losing to the Pistons sure did, 3 times in a row :oldlol:

[2much_knowledge]

He wouldn't retire if he loses to Suns and james was not murdered

Plain and simple

[3ba11]

He wouldn't retire if he loses to Suns and james was not murdered

Plain and simple


The murder is irrelevant

He wasn't retiring if he lost - he's just lucky that he was never put in that spot to make that choice - but it would've been an easy choice

[Axe]

The murder is irrelevant

He wasn't retiring if he lost - he's just lucky that he was never put in that spot to make that choice - but it would've been an easy choice
Yup, the murder is irrelevant indeed.

He retired because the league put him on probation because of his gambling antics back then but since he was their cash cow that time, they never disclosed it this way.

[8Ball]

Yes jordan retires.

[ImKobe]

Had it been up to him, he'd have never retired. Stern MADE him retire.

[j3lademaster]

Had it been up to him, he'd have never retired. Stern MADE him retire.i thought this was debunked? And even if it wasn’t someone would have released the details through a best-seller by now.

[3ba11]

i thought this was debunked? And even if it wasn’t someone would have released the details through a best-seller by now.


The way that Stern laughs it off when asked - there's no way he can lie like that - he would've been more adamant if he was lying, maybe pointed his finger like Rafael Palmeiro or Bill Clinton when they were lying

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[HBK_Kliq_2]

Jordan could of won in 1993, load managed the 1994 reg season and then won his 4th consecutive finals MVP in 1994. Who was going to stop him? JOhn Starks? hahahaha

Although he would of had his first ever show down with Hakeem in 1994 finals, that was the year when Hakeem was carrying scrubs. Retire in 1995 season to avoid Hakeem\Drexler. That would of still been 4 consective finals MVPS, which is rare.

Bill Russell did do it in the 1960s but there was less then 10 teams in the league when he did it. If Jordan won 4 straight rings in the 90's, that would of put him on another level.

[3ba11]

Jordan could of won in 1993, load managed the 1994 reg season and then won his 4th consecutive finals MVP in 1994. Who was going to stop him? JOhn Starks? hahahaha

Although he would of had his first ever show down with Hakeem in 1994 finals, that was the year when Hakeem was carrying scrubs. Retire in 1995 season to avoid Hakeem\Drexler. That would of still been 4 consective finals MVPS, which is rare.

Bill Russell did do it in the 1960s but there was less then 10 teams in the league when he did it. If Jordan won 4 straight rings in the 90's, that would of put him on another level.


MJ probably loses to Hakeem in 1995 because Hakeem had a "pippen" at 3rd option - Horry averaged 18/10 on 55% in those Finals plus goat clutch, so that already outplays Pippen's likely production, and there's still Drexler to contend with

MJ can't beat Hakeem and Drexler by himself.. So a 4-peat would likely be the limit, although you never know because maybe the Bulls add a piece in the summer of 94'.. Of course, the Bulls would've likely won in 1990 if not for Pippen's poor play and historic choke - so it could've been a 5-peat easily.. A different sidekick in 88' or 89' and it's a 7-peat.

[j3lademaster]

If MJ lost to Barkley in 93? We'd be in this forum talking about 94 MJ being the best version of him. Jordan had to constantly look for slights to take personal and drive his play. This version of Jordan is going to be 100% locked-in all the time. He had his perfect finals record ruined and he's taking it out on the league. You know the kid on the basketball team who made the same mistake in practice over and over and your coach makes YOU and the rest of the team run suicides because of it? Barkley is going to be that kid lol.

[3ba11]

If MJ lost to Barkley in 93? We'd be in this forum talking about 94 MJ being the best version of him. Jordan had to constantly look for slights to take personal and drive his play. This version of Jordan is going to be 100% locked-in all the time. He had his perfect finals record ruined and he's taking it out on the league. You know the kid on the basketball team who made the same mistake in practice over and over and your coach makes YOU and the rest of the team run suicides because of it? Barkley is going to be that kid lol.


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[WhiteKyrie]

No. But Michael Jordan doesn’t lose. That’s the point. He’s the only guy that doesn’t disappoint like that. And if he was like one of these bitch ass modern players, like a LeBron or a Kevin Durant? He probably would’ve joined up with Charles Barkley the very next year.

[MadDog]

Who knows, just be grateful he didn't. MJ was already mentally exhausted in 1993, and told his father he was ready to play another sport. Had the Bulls lost in 93, Jordan's motivation probably changes. NOT retiring though isn't a surefire thing.

[3ba11]

Who knows, just be grateful he didn't. MJ was already mentally exhausted in 1993, and told his father he was ready to play another sport. Had the Bulls lost in 93, Jordan's motivation probably changes. NOT retiring though isn't a surefire thing.


Kobe was exhausted in 2011 when he failed to 3-peat

Wade was exhausted in 2014 when he failed to 3-peat

But you know what those guys did?.. They trudged forward because they lost.. If they'd 3-peated and averaged 40 ppg (and let's assume this was unprecedented in 3-pointer history), maybe they would've been like, "you know what? I'm out"

Jordan's unprecedented winning and dominance gave him the luxury to retire - and no one ever considered what MJ would've done if he lost, because it wasn't ever a consideration, before or after the Finals

[Hey Yo]

What if Reinsdorf didnt own the White Sox? Whose going to offer MJ a minor league try out / contract.

It made it much more convenient for MJ to make the transition that Jerry did own them. He was still under contract and that would have been forfeited by retiring and playing baseball in a different city.

With the lockout, he's not able to just suit up for the Bulls cause there's no contract anymore. Don't know the rules about signing a player during the season, who just recently retired??

A lot of things were in his favor, on both ends, for him to attempt baseball and able to come back to the Bulls.

Hell, he probably doesnt come back until 96' training camp and never plays in 95'

[MadDog]

Kobe was exhausted in 2011 when he failed to 3-peat

Wade was exhausted in 2014 when he failed to 3-peat

But you know what those guys did?.. They trudged forward because they lost.. If they'd 3-peated and averaged 40 ppg (and let's assume this was unprecedented in 3-pointer history), maybe they would've been like, "you know what? I'm out"

Jordan's unprecedented winning and dominance gave him the luxury to retire - and no one ever considered what MJ would've done if he lost, because it wasn't ever a consideration, before or after the Finals

Very well could be true. By that point, Jordan had all time showmanship. Was the career PPG leader in the regular-season, playoffs and finals. Had various statistical records. And won three straight titles, which hadn't been done since the 60s Celtics. Jordan also won 3x FMVP which had never been done. His peak was so dominant he really didn't have anything to prove.

To assume he "loses" would be us taking away from said dominance. Might've left a window open to play another year, but be glad it never came down to that.