List of who beat Jordan, Lebron and Kobe in a tournament setting

[Orange_Cassidy]

( list = people who out performed jordan/kobe/lebron or carried their teams overall in the series )

Jordan:

1985 Sidney Moncrief ( 2xDPOTY Hall of famer )
1986 Larry Bird ( 3xMVP Hall of famer )
1987 Larry Bird ( 3xMVP Hall of famer )
1988 Isiah Thomas ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1989 Isiah Thomas ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1990 Joe Dumars ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1995 Shaquille O'neal ( 1xMVP Hall of famer )


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Kobe:

1997 Karl Malone ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
1998 Karl Malone ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
1999 Tim Duncan ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2003 Tim Duncan ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2004 Ben Wallace ( 4xDPOTY Hall of famer )
2006 Steve Nash ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2007 Steve Nash ( 2xMVP hall of famer )
2008 Paul Pierce ( 1xFMVP hall of famer )
2011 Dirk Nowitzki ( 1xMVP hall of famer )
2012 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP hall of famer )

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Lebron:

2004 Carlos Arroyo ( 0 NBA accolades )
2004 Sarunas Jasikevicius ( 2 years NBA experience )
2004 Manu Ginobili ( 2 time allstar )
2006 Vassilis Spanoulis ( 1 year NBA experience )
2006 Ben Wallace ( 4xDPOTY Hall of famer )
2007 Tony Parker ( 1xFMVP )
2008 Kevin Garnett ( 1xMVP Hall of famer )
2009 Dwight Howard ( 4xDPOTY )
2010 Rajon Rondo ( 4 time allstar )
2011 Jason Terry ( 1x 6th man of the year )
2014 Kawhi Leonard ( 2x DPOTY )
2015 Andre Iguodala ( 1x allstar )
2017 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP )
2018 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP )
2021 Devin Booker ( 2x allstar )



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[Gudo]

All big names for kobe and jordan.

For lebron? Lol. A man that athletic and huge should never be outplayed by the likes of terry, arroyo, rondo, barea, parker, alston, etc.

[1987_Lakers]

Now lets look at the Finals numbers OP.

[red1]

kenny you've been bending over backwards for years trying to find new ways to boost your guy ever since the stats proved that the guy who cant shoot aka lebron is more clutch than kobe



just count the finals MVPs.

[warriorfan]

( list = people who out performed jordan/kobe/lebron or carried their teams overall in the series )

Jordan:

1985 Sidney Moncrief ( 2xDPOTY Hall of famer )
1986 Larry Bird ( 3xMVP Hall of famer )
1987 Larry Bird ( 3xMVP Hall of famer )
1988 Isiah Thomas ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1989 Isiah Thomas ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1990 Joe Dumars ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1995 Shaquille O'neal ( 1xMVP Hall of famer )


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Kobe:

1997 Karl Malone ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
1998 Karl Malone ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
1999 Tim Duncan ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2003 Tim Duncan ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2004 Ben Wallace ( 4xDPOTY Hall of famer )
2006 Steve Nash ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2007 Steve Nash ( 2xMVP hall of famer )
2008 Paul Pierce ( 1xFMVP hall of famer )
2011 Dirk Nowitzki ( 1xMVP hall of famer )
2012 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP hall of famer )

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Lebron:

2004 Carlos Arroyo ( 0 NBA accolades )
2004 Sarunas Jasikevicius ( 2 years NBA experience )
2004 Manu Ginobili ( 2 time allstar )
2006 Vassilis Spanoulis ( 1 year NBA experience )
2006 Ben Wallace ( 4xDPOTY Hall of famer )
2007 Tony Parker ( 1xFMVP )
2008 Kevin Garnett ( 1xMVP Hall of famer )
2009 Dwight Howard ( 4xDPOTY )
2010 Rajon Rondo ( 4 time allstar )
2011 Jason Terry ( 1x 6th man of the year )
2014 Kawhi Leonard ( 2x DPOTY )
2015 Andre Iguodala ( 1x allstar )
2017 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP )
2018 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP )
2021 Devin Booker ( 2x allstar )



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[Orange_Cassidy]

Now lets look at the Finals numbers OP.

yes we all know about how the nba used to be a defensive league and guys numbers went down sometimes on both teams during grind it out series where people played hurt

the guys kobe matched up with

reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs
M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's
iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs
snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs
mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's
bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's
kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's
Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's
prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's
pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's
Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's
Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's
lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's
reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's
nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's
pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's
ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's
tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's

[1987_Lakers]

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%

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[ZenMaster7210]

( list = people who out performed jordan/kobe/lebron or carried their teams overall in the series )

Jordan:

1985 Sidney Moncrief ( 2xDPOTY Hall of famer )
1986 Larry Bird ( 3xMVP Hall of famer )
1987 Larry Bird ( 3xMVP Hall of famer )
1988 Isiah Thomas ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1989 Isiah Thomas ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1990 Joe Dumars ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1995 Shaquille O'neal ( 1xMVP Hall of famer )


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Kobe:

1997 Karl Malone ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
1998 Karl Malone ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
1999 Tim Duncan ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2003 Tim Duncan ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2004 Ben Wallace ( 4xDPOTY Hall of famer )
2006 Steve Nash ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2007 Steve Nash ( 2xMVP hall of famer )
2008 Paul Pierce ( 1xFMVP hall of famer )
2011 Dirk Nowitzki ( 1xMVP hall of famer )
2012 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP hall of famer )

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Lebron:

2004 Carlos Arroyo ( 0 NBA accolades )
2004 Sarunas Jasikevicius ( 2 years NBA experience )
2004 Manu Ginobili ( 2 time allstar )
2006 Vassilis Spanoulis ( 1 year NBA experience )
2006 Ben Wallace ( 4xDPOTY Hall of famer )
2007 Tony Parker ( 1xFMVP )
2008 Kevin Garnett ( 1xMVP Hall of famer )
2009 Dwight Howard ( 4xDPOTY )
2010 Rajon Rondo ( 4 time allstar )
2011 Jason Terry ( 1x 6th man of the year )
2014 Kawhi Leonard ( 2x DPOTY )
2015 Andre Iguodala ( 1x allstar )
2017 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP )
2018 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP )
2021 Devin Booker ( 2x allstar )



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[theman93]

( list = people who out performed jordan/kobe/lebron or carried their teams overall in the series )

Jordan:

1985 Sidney Moncrief ( 2xDPOTY Hall of famer )
1986 Larry Bird ( 3xMVP Hall of famer )
1987 Larry Bird ( 3xMVP Hall of famer )
1988 Isiah Thomas ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1989 Isiah Thomas ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1990 Joe Dumars ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1995 Shaquille O'neal ( 1xMVP Hall of famer )


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Kobe:

1997 Karl Malone ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
1998 Karl Malone ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
1999 Tim Duncan ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2003 Tim Duncan ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2004 Ben Wallace ( 4xDPOTY Hall of famer )
2006 Steve Nash ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2007 Steve Nash ( 2xMVP hall of famer )
2008 Paul Pierce ( 1xFMVP hall of famer )
2011 Dirk Nowitzki ( 1xMVP hall of famer )
2012 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP hall of famer )

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Lebron:

2004 Carlos Arroyo ( 0 NBA accolades )
2004 Sarunas Jasikevicius ( 2 years NBA experience )
2004 Manu Ginobili ( 2 time allstar )
2006 Vassilis Spanoulis ( 1 year NBA experience )
2006 Ben Wallace ( 4xDPOTY Hall of famer )
2007 Tony Parker ( 1xFMVP )
2008 Kevin Garnett ( 1xMVP Hall of famer )
2009 Dwight Howard ( 4xDPOTY )
2010 Rajon Rondo ( 4 time allstar )
2011 Jason Terry ( 1x 6th man of the year )
2014 Kawhi Leonard ( 2x DPOTY )
2015 Andre Iguodala ( 1x allstar )
2017 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP )
2018 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP )
2021 Devin Booker ( 2x allstar )



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[SouBeachTalents]

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%

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[Orange_Cassidy]

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%
2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%
2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%
2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%
2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%
2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%
2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%

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reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs
M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's
iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs
snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs
mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's
bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's
kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's
Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's
prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's
pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's
Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's
Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's
lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's
reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's
nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's
pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's
ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's
tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's

2000 ankle injury ( wasn't the real nba finals anyway )
2002 played great even with food poisoning ( wasn't the real nba finals )
2004 shoulder/knee surgery/rape trial/miscarriage/possible divorce/shaq feud
2008 broken pinky
2009 torn ligament in hand ( wasn't the real nba finals )
2010 broken index finger, torn knee


2001 was the only playoffs he was relatively injury free and he carried shaq the entire way through all the best teams (portland/sanantonio/sacramento) so shaq could hijack finals mvp vs the sixers


in the end kobe made up for his shooting by shutting down everyone he ever defended in the finals. and back then the refs let them play for the most part. no ticky tack fouls. not like todays league


kobe basically has 4 willis reed championships

context is everything you patchy bearded fat raccoon eyed f*ck


now tell me why your idol lost to carlos arroyo, jj barrea, jason terry, vasilis spoonilis, arvydas jacicuvitis, a 6th man and an air conditioner

[ImKobe]

Jeff should mod OP right now. His PER is off the charts.

[KirbyPls]

reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs
M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's
iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs
snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs
mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's
bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's
kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's
Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's
prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's
pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's
Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's
Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's
lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's
reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's
nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's
pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's
ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's
tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's

2000 ankle injury ( wasn't the real nba finals anyway )
2002 played great even with food poisoning ( wasn't the real nba finals )
2004 shoulder/knee surgery/rape trial/miscarriage/possible divorce/shaq feud
2008 broken pinky
2009 torn ligament in hand ( wasn't the real nba finals )
2010 broken index finger, torn knee


2001 was the only playoffs he was relatively injury free and he carried shaq the entire way through all the best teams (portland/sanantonio/sacramento) so shaq could hijack finals mvp vs the sixers


in the end kobe made up for his shooting by shutting down everyone he ever defended in the finals. and back then the refs let them play for the most part. no ticky tack fouls. not like todays league


kobe basically has 4 willis reed championships

context is everything you patchy bearded fat raccoon eyed f*ck


now tell me why your idol lost to carlos arroyo, jj barrea, jason terry, vasilis spoonilis, arvydas jacicuvitis, a 6th man and an air conditioner

Excuse upon excuse in this meltdown.

Lebron passed Kobe in 2012, since then he's become a top-3 player ever. 12th is nothing to be ashamed of; although occasionally shooting above 40% in the Finals and/or doing anything clutch in those series would've helped.

[ImKobe]

Excuse upon excuse in this meltdown.

Lebron passed Kobe in 2012, since then he's become a top-3 player ever. 12th is nothing to be ashamed of; although occasionally shooting above 40% in the Finals and/or doing anything clutch in those series would've helped.

Playoffs
Kobe 08-10: 30/6/6
Lebron 11-13: 27/9/6

:(

[Orange_Cassidy]

Excuse upon excuse in this meltdown.

Lebron passed Kobe in 2012, since then he's become a top-3 player ever. 12th is nothing to be ashamed of; although occasionally shooting above 40% in the Finals and/or doing anything clutch in those series would've helped.

wait. are you saying kobes injuries aren't valid

well thats interesting. because lebron fans blamed him not making the playoffs in 2019 on a groin injury and him losing in the first round this year due to an ankle injury

interesting how you losers flip flop all the time... but i guess you just take after your idol

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kobe gets injured and wins a title = WHAT A BUM!

lebron gets injured and flames out in historic fashion = GOAT!

[SouBeachTalents]

Playoffs
Kobe 08-10: 30/6/6
Lebron 11-13: 27/9/6

:(
LeBron already matched Kobe in career FMVP's by 28, would later go on to win double him :(

[ImKobe]

LeBron already matched Kobe in career FMVP's by 28, would later go on to win double him :(

Lebron's played in 3 more Finals and has less rings :( .

[ClipperRevival]

OP, you forgot two more monsters on the Bron list. Thank you.

Bruce Bowen - 2007
Boris Diaw - 2014

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron's played in 3 more Finals and has less rings :( .
Well not everyone can win rings averaging 16 ppg on 41%TS in the Finals

[Hey Yo]

2001 Spurs geriatric backcourt consisting of Terry Porter... Avery Johnson... Danny Ferry.

[ImKobe]

Well not everyone can win rings averaging 16 ppg on 41%TS in the Finals

We all know that WCF was the real Finals & that Kobe got injured in the 1st quarter of Game 2, which brought down his averages but he still closed out two Finals games to end that series.

[SouBeachTalents]

We all know that WCF was the real Finals & that Kobe got injured in the 1st quarter of Game 2, which brought down his averages but he still closed out two Finals games to end that series.
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You would never, EVER give LeBron credit if he won a title under those circumstances. Hell, you asterisk all his FMVP titles anyway :lol

[Hey Yo]

We all know that WCF was the real Finals & that Kobe got injured in the 1st quarter of Game 2, which brought down his averages but he still closed out two Finals games to end that series.

Kobe shooting a combined 12-47 in games 5 and 6 is why his averages were down

[ImKobe]

Kobe shooting a combined 12-47 in games 5 and 6 is why his averages were down

No, it's because of his injury. You love citing his ppg but in reality he was a 20 ppg scorer in the Finals in games he actually played more than 8 minutes in.

[ImKobe]

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You would never, EVER give LeBron credit if he won a title under those circumstances. Hell, you asterisk all his FMVP titles anyway :lol

2000 WCF Game 7 was the equivalent of a Game 7 of the NBA Finals and he led his team in points, rebounds, assists & blocks & got them the lead and iced the game. Poor "MDE" had 18/9 against a geriatric Sabonis :kobe: :kobe: .

[Orange_Cassidy]

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You would never, EVER give LeBron credit if he won a title under those circumstances. Hell, you asterisk all his FMVP titles anyway :lol

ok even though kobe saved shaq in the wcf and game 4 of the nba finals you can have 2000 if you never count 2012, 2013, 2016 or 2020

deal?


obvious sidekick rings = void
lockouts = void
bubbles = void
bail outs = void
collusions = void
suspensions = void

[Hey Yo]

27fga while allegedly injured is smart basketball to you??

Can't credit him for the game 4 win and then blame injury for shooting that atrocious.

[Orange_Cassidy]

27fga while allegedly injured is smart basketball to you??

Can't credit him for the game 4 win and then blame injury for shooting that atrocious.

allegedly?

when was kobe only ever allegedly injured. this should be fun

[ImKobe]

ok even though kobe saved shaq in the wcf and game 4 of the nba finals you can have 2000 if you never count 2012, 2013, 2016 or 2020

deal?


obvious sidekick rings = void
lockouts = void
bubbles = void
bail outs = void
collusions = void
suspensions = void

So Lebron had 0 rings and Kobe has 4 when we look at it objectively. :kobe:

Idk who's alt this is but this guy GETS IT.

[Hey Yo]

allegedly?

when was kobe only ever allegedly injured. this should be fun

12-47

[Orange_Cassidy]

12-47

avoiding the question?


answer this... how many willis reed type courageous rings does kobe have playing hurt when lebron would miss 2 months with a similar injury ( and HAS... TWICE )

[ImKobe]

27fga while allegedly injured is smart basketball to you??

Can't credit him for the game 4 win and then blame injury for shooting that atrocious.

A sprained ankle (that kept Lebron out for months) is not a serious injury?

[Hey Yo]

avoiding the question?


answer this... how many willis reed type courageous rings does kobe have playing hurt when lebron would miss 2 months with a similar injury ( and HAS... TWICE )

So he was healthy enough for you to give him full credit for game 4 win, but injury brought up when shooting 12-47 next 2gms?

[Orange_Cassidy]

So he was healthy enough for you to give him full credit for game 4 win, but injury brought up when shooting 12-47 next 2gms?

so you're gonna knock a guy for only being able to step up in the biggest moment with a horrific injury and not be able to continue that for the next 2 games?

its like when isiah thomas played on a badly injured ankle and wore it out in game 6 of the 88 finals only to have a ref bail the lakers out with a phantom call to push it to 7... then people wondered why he couldn't do another miraculous all time great performance on a leg he had to ice for an entire day and swelled up to the point where he could barely walk


no sh*t kobe couldn't replicate what he did in game 4.. have you ever played injured. you can push it hard once... but you need a good amount of time in between to heal

[ImKobe]

So he was healthy enough for you to give him full credit for game 4 win, but injury brought up when shooting 12-47 next 2gms?

He sat out a game after he sprained his ankle and gave his all and had one of the all-time great moments but you can't expect him to be consistent every game like nothing happened. It's like when Zeke had his incredible Game 6 against the Lakers on an injured ankle and was essentially a non-factor in Game 7.

[1987_Lakers]

This thread would have been funny in 2010 or 2011, but the problem is mostly everyone on this board has already put LeBron ahead of Kobe years ago, no knowledge fans or valid media outlets have Kobe ahead of LeBron, the debate was settled years ago. I remember the years on ISH when the LeBron/Kobe debates were heated and often, now we are at MJ vs LeBron, I think it's time for OP to accept the fact that Kobe is a borderline top 10 player at best and just move on, we are in 2021, not 2011.

[Hey Yo]

so you're gonna knock a guy for only being able to step up in the biggest moment with a horrific injury and not be able to continue that for the next 2 games?

its like when isiah thomas played on a badly injured ankle and wore it out in game 6 of the 88 finals only to have a ref bail the lakers out with a phantom call to push it to 7... then people wondered why he couldn't do another miraculous all time great performance on a leg he had to ice for an entire day and swelled up to the point where he could barely walk


no sh*t kobe couldn't replicate what he did in game 4.. have you ever played injured. you can push it hard once... but you need a good amount of time in between to heal

Taking 27fga in a game while injured is smart and encouraged by Phil?

There's a reason why he said Kobe was un-coachable

[ImKobe]

This thread would have been funny in 2010 or 2011, but the problem is mostly everyone on this board has already put LeBron ahead of Kobe years ago, no knowledge fans or valid media outlets have Kobe ahead of LeBron, the debate was settled years ago. I remember the years on ISH when the LeBron/Kobe debates were heated and often, now we are at MJ vs LeBron, I think it's time for OP to accept the fact that Kobe is a borderline top 10 player at best and just move on, we are in 2021, not 2011.

Kobe still has more rings 10 years and 8 Lebron Finals later. Crazy how that works out, eh?

[zeerghit]

2000 WCF Game 7 was the equivalent of a Game 7 of the NBA Finals and he led his team in points, rebounds, assists & blocks & got them the lead and iced the game. Poor "MDE" had 18/9 against a geriatric Sabonis :kobe: :kobe: .

Brian Shaw happened

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe still has more rings 10 years and 8 Lebron Finals later. Crazy how that works out, eh?
But he has double the FMVP's

[ImKobe]

But he has double the FMVP's

Steph didn't win the FMVP in 2015, are you going to tell me was not the best player on his team for that title run like Kobe was in 2001? Are you telling me AD wasn't the MVP of the Lakers all season and through the first 3 rounds last year?

[1987_Lakers]

Kobe still has more rings 10 years and 8 Lebron Finals later. Crazy how that works out, eh?

He can thank Shaq for that.

[SouBeachTalents]

Steph didn't win the FMVP in 2015, are you going to tell me was not the best player on his team for that title run like Kobe was in 2001? Are you telling me AD wasn't the MVP of the Lakers all season and through the first 3 rounds last year?
Steph was obv the Warriors best player, but unlike a lot of posters here I have absolutely no issue with Iggy winning FMVP. I remember strongly believe he was the FMVP watching the series back in 2015. Curry being "robbed" is honestly revisionist history, he was actually getting pretty criticized for his performance

If you include the Finals Shaq was the Lakers best player, though I admit he and Kobe were essentially even through the Western playoffs. What's crazy is if you discount the game they lost, Kobe would've led the Lakers in scoring throughout the '01 playoffs

AD was the Lakers best player during the regular season, the playoffs like Shaq & Kobe in '01 they were essentially dead even. I'd say LeBron was slightly better, but wouldn't disagree if someone went with AD

Regardless of MVP's, LeBron was the clear cut best player on 3 title teams, I'm assuming he'd get the majority vote for '20, while Kobe only was for 2, and Shaq would get the majority vote for '01

[Orange_Cassidy]

But he has double the FMVP's

but they're not worth anything. you joke about kobes 2000 finals but at least it was a real finals and not a lockout shortened season or a bubble or some bs where a guy calls the commissioner and gets the other teams mvp of the series suspended


like man.. at least shut the f*ck up about fake accomplishments and only bring up the one slightly tainted by a ray allen bail out and a big 4 collusion... at least that was just poor sportsmanship, a free ride and a bit of luck


at absolute MOST lebron has 1 title. you can have kobes 2000 title. i don't give a f*ck. but just stop saying lebron has 4 finals mvps because nobody counts most of them

nobody counts the 1919 reds world series

nobody counts barry bonds home run records

you should enjoy that 1 title lebron may have under his belt before the league exposes his steroid scandal and his entire career is just as meaningless as bonds was

[FKAri]

Jeff should mod OP right now. His PER is off the charts.

High praise for the guy who cheered Kobe's death.

[ImKobe]

Steph was obv the Warriors best player, but unlike a lot of posters here I have absolutely no issue with Iggy winning FMVP. I remember strongly believe he was the FMVP watching the series back in 2015. Curry being "robbed" is honestly revisionist history, he was actually getting pretty criticized for his performance

If you include the Finals Shaq was the Lakers best player, though I admit he and Kobe were essentially even through the Western playoffs. What's crazy is if you discount the game they lost, Kobe would've led the Lakers in scoring throughout the '01 playoffs

AD was the Lakers best player during the regular season, the playoffs like Shaq & Kobe in '01 they were essentially dead even. I'd say LeBron was slightly better, but wouldn't disagree if someone went with AD

Regardless of MVP's, LeBron was the clear cut best player on 3 title teams, I'm assuming he'd get the majority vote for '20, while Kobe only was for 2, and Shaq would get the majority vote for '01

That's crazy. Iggy was the 3rd best player on the Warriors in that series and the best player in 1 out of 6 games (the biggest game of the series down 1 - 2, but still just ONE game). We're giving him more credit for "stopping" Lebron than we should when Lebron was inefficient in the East Playoffs as well.

At least you're admitting that Kobe was basically the best player in the West Playoffs which he was statistically (the real Finals) so you're good on that. Yeah, Shaq averaged 1 more point a game and his TS% was only slightly higher than Kobe's overall (Kobe had higher WS, VORP and RAPM and was their playmaker and the best 4th quarter player in the Playoffs), both were FMVP-caliber players like Steph & KD when they played together so both should be credited for a FMVP title on a team that was very top-heavy with a 7-man rotation.

Kobe was the best overall player for 3 title runs, same as Lebron. The 2020 Finals I give less credit to Lebron because the Heat lost 2 of their best 3 players to injuries and Jimmy Butler outplayed him for most of the series and they don't stop Butler until Vogel started putting AD on him. Davis was the most impactful player when you look at his defensive impact in the Playoffs, Lebron was still a superstar but that to me is on par with Kobe's 2002 ring.

At least you're sensible as a pro-Lebron guy so I can respect you for that.

[1987_Lakers]

but they're not worth anything. you joke about kobes 2000 finals but at least it was a real finals and not a lockout shortened season or a bubble or some bs where a guy calls the commissioner and gets the other teams mvp of the series suspended


like man.. at least shut the f*ck up about fake accomplishments and only bring up the one slightly tainted by a ray allen bail out and a big 4 collusion... at least that was just poor sportsmanship, a free ride and a bit of luck


at absolute MOST lebron has 1 title. you can have kobes 2000 title. i don't give a f*ck. but just stop saying lebron has 4 finals mvps because nobody counts most of them

nobody counts the 1919 reds world series

nobody counts barry bonds home run records

you should enjoy that 1 title lebron may have under his belt before the league exposes his steroid scandal and his entire career is just as meaningless as bonds was

Just like nobody counts Kobe's sidekick rings, so in a sense Kobe has 2 rings and very underwhelming 2 rings I might add, having Fisher bail him out in game 4 vs Orlando and shooting all-time bad vs Boston in game 7.

[kawhileonard2]

But he has double the FMVP's

Switching teams and joining multiple stars each time. He needed Kobe to win gold otherwise Lebron only has Lebronze medals.

[Orange_Cassidy]

Just like nobody counts Kobe's sidekick rings, so in a sense Kobe has 2 rings and very underwhelming 2 rings I might add, having Fisher bail him out in game 4 vs Orlando and shooting all-time bad vs Boston in game 7.

everyone counts 2001 and 2002 because kobe carried shaq vs the spurs both years and had the best stats for the entire playoffs in 2001. he was a legit 1A or 1B both years. shaq didn't have that disparity he had in 2000. he claimed finals mvp vs some weak finals opponents AGAIN... it was in no way shape or form all shaq. they were true 50/50 titles and even you know it


stick to trashing his 2000 ring as a 21 year old. thats all you're really good at. especially when you disregard kobes 2 point injury game to make it seem like he didn't really average almost 20

[And1AllDay]

Jeff should mod OP right now. His PER is off the charts.

i'll never do that hell no

[Orange_Cassidy]

i'll never do that hell no

you're not jeff. you don't even know i have a daughter

i'm a virgin remember lol