even pippens worst playoff ppgz still legendary (thanx 3baLLLLLLL)

[And1AllDay]

looking at lowest #2 option ppgz on winning teams

06 walker.......13.3 ppgz
94 maxwell...13.8 ppgz
03 parker.......14.7 ppgz
13 wade........15.9 ppgz
04 billups.......16.4 ppgz
89 isiah.........18.2 ppgz

pippen is a king compared to those bums right?

93 pippen......18.6 ppgz
98 pippen......19.1 pgz
96 pippen.....19.4 ppgz

i never heard wade crying about walkers scoring


i never heard hakeem crying about maxwells scoring


i never heard duncan crying about parkers scoring


i never heard legoat crying about wades scoring

but i do hear 1 guy who takes 35 shots per game crying about pippens scoring who wasnt even that bad even in his worst years

[000]

You forgot the second option who averaged 17.8 ppg in the 2011 finals

[And1AllDay]

You forgot the second option who averaged 17.8 ppg in the 2011 finals

its over now. you can rest ez bb boi

[000]

its over now. you can rest ez bb boi
Dont get too triggered pls

[And1AllDay]

Dont get too triggered pls

same :cheers:

[AirBonner]

looking at lowest #2 option ppgz on winning teams

06 walker.......13.3 ppgz
94 maxwell...13.8 ppgz
03 parker.......14.7 ppgz
13 wade........15.9 ppgz
04 billups.......16.4 ppgz
89 isiah.........18.2 ppgz

pippen is a king compared to those bums right?

93 pippen......18.6 ppgz
98 pippen......19.1 pgz
96 pippen.....19.4 ppgz

i never heard wade crying about walkers scoring


i never heard hakeem crying about maxwells scoring


i never heard duncan crying about parkers scoring


i never heard legoat crying about wades scoring

but i do hear 1 guy who takes 35 shots per game crying about pippens scoring who wasnt even that bad even in his worst years
Got 3ball on the ropes :pimp:

[000]

Just like jj barea got LeGOAT on the ropes:eek:

[And1AllDay]

Got 3ball on the ropes :pimp:

that boi is shoooooketh :oldlol:
he always ethers mike in the end i swear he truly is a bran family fan after all :oldlol:

[Airupthere]

You forgot the second option who averaged 17.8 ppg in the 2011 finals

I think you got this wrong. Jason terry, the bench guy averaged 18ppg flat in the 2011 finals.

For MIA you got that wrong. The second guy, wade, averaged 26 ppg. Rock solid. 3rd guy, bosh averaged 18.5ppg. Still better than terry. Am I missing anyone?

[000]

I think you got this wrong. Jason terry, the bench guy averaged 18ppg flat in the 2011 finals.

For MIA you got that wrong. The second guy, wade, averaged 26 ppg. Rock solid. 3rd guy, bosh averaged 18.5ppg. Still better than terry. Am I missing anyone?
Hmmm. Well dirk averaged 26 too. I think that sums up all the top 4 players in those finals. I mustve been on shrooms or something:eek:

[AirBonner]

I think you got this wrong. Jason terry, the bench guy averaged 18ppg flat in the 2011 finals.

For MIA you got that wrong. The second guy, wade, averaged 26 ppg. Rock solid. 3rd guy, bosh averaged 18.5ppg. Still better than terry. Am I missing anyone?

They swept the defending champs and title favorite Lakers. They were a very good team

[ImKobe]

Pippen is mediocre. He was never a 1b type player like Magic/Kareem or Shaq/Kobe or Bron/Wade or Bron/Irving or KD/Curry.

No one ever won titles by dominating their team in scoring as consistently as MJ. Not 1 series where Pippen outscored him or even came close. That's what we call a mediocre 2nd option.

[AirBonner]

Pippen is mediocre. He was never a 1b type player like Magic/Kareem or Shaq/Kobe or Bron/Wade or Bron/Irving or KD/Curry.

No one ever won titles by dominating their team in scoring as consistently as MJ. Not 1 series where Pippen outscored him or even came close. That's what we call a mediocre 2nd option.
Yet he was better than all the 2nd options in the 90’s

[ImKobe]

Yet he was better than all the 2nd options in the 90’s

No he wasn't. Drexler & Penny were just as good and Stockton was consistently better.

[Hey Yo]

You forgot the second option who averaged 17.8 ppg in the 2011 finals

Good thing Wade smartened up and let him become 1st option the following season.

[MadDog]

Why didn't OP include efficiency? Lol in the 96 playoffs, Pippen shot 39% from the field and was outscored by Penny in the ECF. Penny also shot a higher percentage. Now fast forward to the finals. Idk who yall consider the 1 and 2 option, but BOTH Kemp and Payton outshot and scored Pippen. :confusedshrug:

[Bronbron23]

looking at lowest #2 option ppgz on winning teams

06 walker.......13.3 ppgz
94 maxwell...13.8 ppgz
03 parker.......14.7 ppgz
13 wade........15.9 ppgz
04 billups.......16.4 ppgz
89 isiah.........18.2 ppgz

pippen is a king compared to those bums right?

93 pippen......18.6 ppgz
98 pippen......19.1 pgz
96 pippen.....19.4 ppgz

i never heard wade crying about walkers scoring


i never heard hakeem crying about maxwells scoring


i never heard duncan crying about parkers scoring


i never heard legoat crying about wades scoring

but i do hear 1 guy who takes 35 shots per game crying about pippens scoring who wasnt even that bad even in his worst years

And another meltdown. Dude I'm actually starting to worry about you.

Oh and nice using Wade's lowest but not pip. Wade was 16 on 45% shooting in 13 and pip 17 pts on 39% shooting. oh and in the finals those years pip was 16 on a whopping 34% and wade was 20 pts on 47%. Sorry bud looks like bron stans taking another loss on this one.

End thread:facepalm

[8Ball]

The only player in NBA history resentful of his 2nd option is Jordan. Jordan is just way too selfish of a human being to recognize anybody that helped him so he has to make a documentary to stick it to Pippen.

Shaq loves Kobe.
Bron loves Wade / Kyrie / AD.
Kobe loves Pau Gasol.


Jordan is resentful that he needed a 2nd all time player to win championships and couldn't do it alone like he wanted to.

[Bronbron23]

The only player in NBA history resentful of his 2nd option is Jordan. Jordan is just way too selfish of a human being to recognize anybody that helped him so he has to make a documentary to stick it to Pippen.

Shaq loves Kobe.
Bron loves Wade / Kyrie / AD.
Kobe loves Pau Gasol.


Jordan is resentful that he needed a 2nd all time player to win championships and couldn't do it alone like he wanted to.

Thing is I've never heard mj say anything resentful about pip. On the doc he said there's no mj without pip. It's only some of mj's wack stans that undervalue pip. Sounds like you guys are just still melting down making shit up

[Airupthere]

The only player in NBA history resentful of his 2nd option is Jordan. Jordan is just way too selfish of a human being to recognize anybody that helped him so he has to make a documentary to stick it to Pippen.

Shaq loves Kobe.
Bron loves Wade / Kyrie / AD.
Kobe loves Pau Gasol.


Jordan is resentful that he needed a 2nd all time player to win championships and couldn't do it alone like he wanted to.

So dramatic, lol

[Kblaze8855]

No he wasn't. Drexler & Penny were just as good and Stockton was consistently better.

The idea that any of them is mediocre is also laughable. You’re talking 3 of the best players of all time and another who would be considered that without injury and calling them mediocre as second options. Shaq, Hakeem, Jordan and even Karl Malone are pretty high up the list. Of
course their number two won’t be a 1B outside the outlier situations. If you’re a 1A-B with players like that you’re what….top 15ish all time at least? There have been 1000 teams….the ones with Pippen, Stockton, Drexler, and Penny do not have mediocre second options. A mediocre second option is probably like….hell I don’t even know. Keith Van horn was a playoff teams leading scorer before Kidd or even Marbury got there. A mediocre second option is probably like….David Wesley? Dell Curry? I don’t know. It’s several levels below even Houston Drexler, Scottie, Penny, and John ****ing Stockton.

[warriorfan]

You forgot the second option who averaged 17.8 ppg in the 2011 finals

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[And1AllDay]

And another meltdown. Dude I'm actually starting to worry about you.

Oh and nice using Wade's lowest but not pip. Wade was 16 on 45% shooting in 13 and pip 17 pts on 39% shooting. oh and in the finals those years pip was 16 on a whopping 34% and wade was 20 pts on 47%. Sorry bud looks like bron stans taking another loss on this one.

End thread:facepalm

i used all playoff ppgz keep up

your melting hard :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

Why didn't OP include efficiency? Lol in the 96 playoffs, Pippen shot 39% from the field and was outscored by Penny in the ECF. Penny also shot a higher percentage. Now fast forward to the finals. Idk who yall consider the 1 and 2 option, but BOTH Kemp and Payton outshot and scored Pippen. :confusedshrug:

ppgz is all we need right?

or do yall wanna add in passing, rebounding, defense?

[j3lademaster]

You forgot the second option who averaged 17.8 ppg in the 2011 finalsThey didn't win tho


looking at lowest #2 option ppgz on winning teams

[Bronbron23]

i used all playoff ppgz keep up

your melting hard :oldlol:

Ahh yeah dude i gave u the entire playoffs in the first sentence. 16 on 45%(wade) >17 on 39%(pip). I've caught up and already passed your bitch ass awhile ago buddy:rockon:

[tpols]

The thing about Pippen is he's considered top 25 all time by most media rankings way above guys like Ewing, Reggie, Penny, Payton, Stockton, KJ, Kemp, Clyde etc. He's ranked over Barkley and Robinson on some big lists. So its preposterous. He was like a 17 ppg sidekick with good defense. Gary Payton or Kemp could outdo that while playing great defense. KJ, Reggie, Penny, and Stockton were so far ahead of Pippen offensively it covers any defensive gap. He's just overrated in the media because he got to play with The GOAT and win all,those championships. MJ wouldve won with all those guys ^^^ in even more dominant fashion.

[Airupthere]

The thing about Pippen is he's considered top 25 all time by most media rankings way above guys like Ewing, Reggie, Penny, Payton, Stockton, KJ, Kemp, Clyde etc. He's ranked over Barkley and Robinson on some big lists. So its preposterous. He was like a 17 ppg sidekick with good defense. Gary Payton or Kemp could outdo that while playing great defense. KJ, Reggie, Penny, and Stockton were so far ahead of Pippen offensively it covers any defensive gap. He's just overrated in the media because he got to play with The GOAT and win all,those championships. MJ wouldve won with all those guys ^^^ in even more dominant fashion.

He is ranked higher because of the 6 rings. Without that I doubt he'd be higher than reggie. Heck without having played with MJ I dont think he would have developed in the same way he did. See some pip's post moves and defensive moves. Obviously taught by Jordan. And still, pip's offense was unreliable.

[And1AllDay]

Ahh yeah dude i gave u the entire playoffs in the first sentence. 16 on 45%(wade) >17 on 39%(pip). I've caught up and already passed your bitch ass awhile ago buddy:rockon:

ill give you a second chance to understand

looking at lowest #2 option ppgz on winning teams

06 walker.......13.3 ppgz
94 maxwell...13.8 ppgz
03 parker.......14.7 ppgz
13 wade........15.9 ppgz
04 billups.......16.4 ppgz
89 isiah.........18.2 ppgz

pippen is a king compared to those bums right?

93 pippen......18.6 ppgz
98 pippen......19.1 pgz
96 pippen.....19.4 ppgz

i never heard wade crying about walkers scoring


i never heard hakeem crying about maxwells scoring


i never heard duncan crying about parkers scoring


i never heard legoat crying about wades scoring

but i do hear 1 guy who takes 35 shots per game crying about pippens scoring who wasnt even that bad even in his worst years

[And1AllDay]

The thing about Pippen is he's considered top 25 all time by most media rankings way above guys like Ewing, Reggie, Penny, Payton, Stockton, KJ, Kemp, Clyde etc. He's ranked over Barkley and Robinson on some big lists. So its preposterous. He was like a 17 ppg sidekick with good defense. Gary Payton or Kemp could outdo that while playing great defense. KJ, Reggie, Penny, and Stockton were so far ahead of Pippen offensively it covers any defensive gap. He's just overrated in the media because he got to play with The GOAT and win all,those championships. MJ wouldve won with all those guys ^^^ in even more dominant fashion.

17? ill give you a 2nd chance too thurston pols

looking at lowest #2 option ppgz on winning teams

06 walker.......13.3 ppgz
94 maxwell...13.8 ppgz
03 parker.......14.7 ppgz
13 wade........15.9 ppgz
04 billups.......16.4 ppgz
89 isiah.........18.2 ppgz

pippen is a king compared to those bums right?

93 pippen......18.6 ppgz
98 pippen......19.1 pgz
96 pippen.....19.4 ppgz

i never heard wade crying about walkers scoring


i never heard hakeem crying about maxwells scoring


i never heard duncan crying about parkers scoring


i never heard legoat crying about wades scoring

but i do hear 1 guy who takes 35 shots per game crying about pippens scoring who wasnt even that bad even in his worst years

[Spurs m8]

Makes Kyries near 30ppg average in the 2016 finals look even more insane.

[And1AllDay]

Makes Kyries near 30ppg average in the 2016 finals look even more insane.

but no one cried about kyries scoring :oldlol:

checkmate

:dancin

[tpols]

17? ill give you a 2nd chance too thurston pols

looking at lowest #2 option ppgz on winning teams

06 walker.......13.3 ppgz
94 maxwell...13.8 ppgz
03 parker.......14.7 ppgz
13 wade........15.9 ppgz
04 billups.......16.4 ppgz
89 isiah.........18.2 ppgz

pippen is a king compared to those bums right?

93 pippen......18.6 ppgz
98 pippen......19.1 pgz
96 pippen.....19.4 ppgz

You're using regular season numbers for Pippen and playoff numbers for everyone else because Pippens numbers dipped in the playoffs. :oldlol:

Not to mention youre lying about Walker in 2006. Shaq had playoff series where he went 20+/10+ in that year so Wade had better help than 2nd threepeat Pippen. And of course any version of '11-'13 Wade shits on Pippen so you can cross that off the list as well. Isaiah Thomas was also better.

That leaves you with 3 players worse than Pippen in the history of the NBA? Dummy... Youre making the point.

[Bronbron23]

ill give you a second chance to understand

looking at lowest #2 option ppgz on winning teams

06 walker.......13.3 ppgz
94 maxwell...13.8 ppgz
03 parker.......14.7 ppgz
13 wade........15.9 ppgz
04 billups.......16.4 ppgz
89 isiah.........18.2 ppgz

pippen is a king compared to those bums right?

93 pippen......18.6 ppgz
98 pippen......19.1 pgz
96 pippen.....19.4 ppgz

i never heard wade crying about walkers scoring


i never heard hakeem crying about maxwells scoring


i never heard duncan crying about parkers scoring


i never heard legoat crying about wades scoring

but i do hear 1 guy who takes 35 shots per game crying about pippens scoring who wasnt even that bad even in his worst years

As usual your just trolling. Your giving wades lowest but not pips lowest. Pips lowest is the number i gave u which is in fact better than pip. Again 16/45%>17/39%. Nothing else to see here.

[tpols]

As usual your just trolling. Your giving wades lowest but not pips lowest. Pips lowest is the number i gave u which is in fact better than pip. Again 16/45%>17/39%. Nothing else to see here.

Dude is comically dumb. This is the same guy with a million accounts that posts all day long here with unwitty trolling. If youre gonna troll come with an argument that isn't totally see through. Clown is over here laughing it up though. :lol

[And1AllDay]

As usual your just trolling. Your giving wades lowest but not pips lowest. Pips lowest is the number i gave u which is in fact better than pip. Again 16/45%>17/39%. Nothing else to see here.

i took those pip #s from 3baLLLLL did he lie about pip?

[8Ball]

Thing is I've never heard mj say anything resentful about pip. On the doc he said there's no mj without pip. It's only some of mj's wack stans that undervalue pip. Sounds like you guys are just still melting down making shit up

Jordan put a documentary out skewering Pippen about 1994 when Jordan wasn't even playing basketball in 1994.

Jordan put a dagger in Pippen.

Jordan knew that moment in Pippen's career bothers Pippen a lot. And Jordan dedicated ample time in his documentary to talk about it knowing it would hurt Pippen.

Jordan snaked his 2nd option which is pretty disgusting thing to do.

[Bronbron23]

i took those pip #s from 3baLLLLL did he lie about pip?

Probably. he's obsessed with pip and thinks he's trash.

[Bronbron23]

Jordan put a documentary out skewering Pippen about 1994 when Jordan wasn't even playing basketball in 1994.

Jordan put a dagger in Pippen.

Jordan knew that moment in Pippen's career bothers Pippen a lot. And Jordan dedicated ample time in his documentary to talk about it knowing it would hurt Pippen.

Jordan snaked his 2nd option which is pretty disgusting thing to do.

It was a jerk move that he could of left out. It was facts though and it was a big deal at the time. Plus tge last dance while biased in favor of mj was about the 90's bulls which does include 94 so the story was relevant to the doc.

[Spurs m8]

This dude tweaking stats to paint a picture that isn't real hahahha

Bron stans just can't use facts and context....it DESTROYS them

[3ba11]

.
Thread Cliffs

Per Kblaze in another thead (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495711-Pippen-really-did-this-twice&p=14392407&viewfull=1#post14392407) - in the history of 3-pointer basketball (since 1980), Pippen had 3 of the 7 worst true shooting efficiencies for a winning playoff run, so he's the worst-scoring sidekick on a champion in history when you consider his woat efficiency and weak PPG - no one else has a worse combination of PPG and efficiency than Pippen (weak PPG and woat efficiency).

/thread

[tpols]

.
Thread Cliffs

Per Kblaze in another thead (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495711-Pippen-really-did-this-twice&p=14392407&viewfull=1#post14392407) - in the history of 3-pointer basketball (since 1980), Pippen had 3 of the 7 worst true shooting efficiencies for a winning playoff run, so he's the worst-scoring sidekick on a champion in history when you consider his woat efficiency and weak PPG - no one else has a worse combination of PPG and efficiency than Pippen (weak PPG and woat efficiency).

/thread

Hilarious how blaze thought he had a "gotcha" moment. So not top 5 worse just top 7 or 8. Can't make this shit up.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Context is key.

Duncan's 2nd option in 2003 finals averaged 14ppg but so did nets option as kenyon was at 14ppg and 33% FG hahahaha and even their 1st option Jason Kidd couldn't even average 20PPG.

You're allowed to have weaker 2nd options in pathetic offensive era's like the 2000s or even the 1990s.

[3ba11]

Hilarious how blaze thought he had a "gotcha" moment. So not top 5 worse just top 7 or 8. Can't make this shit up.


lol exactly.. maybe he knows Pippen personally or something.. seemed pretty desperate

[3ba11]

Context is key.

Duncan's 2nd option in 2003 finals averaged 14ppg but so did nets option as kenyon was at 14ppg and 33% FG hahahaha and even their 1st option Jason Kidd couldn't even average 20PPG.

You're allowed to have weaker 2nd options in pathetic offensive era's like the 2000s or even the 1990s.


Exactly, and Duncan only averaged 24, or 10 more than Parker, so that would rank as the weakest carry job of MJ's career

People don't seem to realize what we're comparing here - Pippen worst-ever efficiency and weak PPG ranks down there with Parker's worst performance and some of the weakest 2nd options in history

[And1AllDay]

This dude tweaking stats to paint a picture that isn't real hahahha

Bron stans just can't use facts and context....it DESTROYS them

wrong :oldlol:

[AnaheimLakers24]

whats dirks 2nd option ppg in 2011? that jew killer gets praised to much

[8Ball]

It was a jerk move that he could of left out. It was facts though and it was a big deal at the time. Plus tge last dance while biased in favor of mj was about the 90's bulls which does include 94 so the story was relevant to the doc.

My point stands.


Only Jordan is resentful of his 2nd option.


He can't bare the fact that he needed help like every other superstar to win multiple rings.

[3ba11]

whats dirks 2nd option ppg in 2011? that jew killer gets praised to much





The gap between 11' Dirk and his 2nd option... versus the gap between MJ and Pip


PLAYOFFS


11' Dirk........ 27.7 ppg.. 25.2 PER.. 5.5 BPM.. 1.6 VORP.. 0.210 WS/48
11' Terry....... 17.5 ppg.. 20.3 PER.. 4.6 BPM.. 1.1 VORP.. 0.179 WS/48
GAP............... 10.2...........4.9.........1.1.......... 0.5........... 0.031

93' Jordan... 35.1 ppg.. 30.1 PER.. 11.6 BPM.. 2.9 VORP.. 0.270 WS/48
93' Pippen... 20.1 ppg.. 16.9 PER.... 2.0 BPM.. 0.8 VORP.. 0.083 WS/48
GAP.............. 15.0...........13.2........ 9.6........... 2.1........... 0.187

92' Jordan... 34.5 ppg.. 27.2 PER.... 9.9 BPM.. 2.8 VORP.. 0.216 WS/48
92' Pippen... 19.5 ppg.. 20.1 PER.... 6.6 BPM.. 2.0 VORP.. 0.168 WS/48
GAP.............. 15.0.............7.1........ 3.3........... 0.8........... 0.048

91' Jordan... 31.1 ppg.. 32.0 PER.. 14.6 BPM.. 2.9 VORP.. 0.333 WS/48
91' Pippen... 21.6 ppg.. 22.0 PER.... 6.5 BPM.. 1.5 VORP.. 0.197 WS/48
GAP................. 9.5..........10.0........ 8.1........... 1.4........... 0.136

96' Jordan... 30.7 ppg.. 26.7 PER.. 10.7 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.317 WS/48
96' Pippen... 16.9 ppg.. 19.4 PER.... 7.8 BPM.. 1.8 VORP.. 0.195 WS/48
GAP.............. 13.8.............7.3........ 2.9........... 0.6........... 0.122

97' Jordan... 31.1 ppg.. 27.1 PER.... 9.9 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.235 WS/48
97' Pippen... 19.2 ppg.. 18.1 PER.... 5.1 BPM.. 1.4 VORP.. 0.145 WS/48
GAP.............. 11.9.............9.1........ 4.8........... 1.0........... 0.090

98' Jordan... 32.4 ppg.. 28.1 PER.... 9.0 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.265 WS/48
98' Pippen... 16.8 ppg.. 19.4 PER.... 5.6 BPM.. 1.6 VORP.. 0.166 WS/48
GAP.............. 16.4.............8.7........ 3.4........... 0.8........... 0.095



Conclusion - Jordan had 6 carry-job rings that were far greater carry-jobs than 11' Dirk

And there's never been a bigger gap between #1 and #2 options

[And1AllDay]

looking at lowest #2 option ppgz on winning teams

top 7 lowest playoff ppgz:
06 walker.......13.3 ppgz
94 maxwell....13.8 ppgz
03 parker.......14.7 ppgz
99 drob.........15.6 ppgz
13 wade........15.9 ppgz
81 maxwell....16.1 ppgz
04 billups......16.4 ppgz

pippen is a king compared to those bums right?

98 pippen......16.8 pgz
96 pippen.....16.9 ppgz

i never heard wade crying about walkers scoring
i never heard hakeem crying about maxwells scoring
i never heard duncan crying about parkers scoring
i never heard legoat crying about wades scoring

but i do hear 1 guy who takes 35 shots per game crying about pippens scoring who wasnt even that bad even in his worst years[/QUOTE]

[3ba11]

looking at lowest #2 option ppgz on winning teams

top 7 lowest playoff ppgz:
06 walker.......13.3 ppgz
94 maxwell....13.8 ppgz
03 parker.......14.7 ppgz
99 drob.........15.6 ppgz
13 wade........15.9 ppgz
81 maxwell....16.1 ppgz
04 billups......16.4 ppgz

pippen is a king compared to those bums right?

98 pippen......16.8 pgz
96 pippen.....16.9 ppgz

i never heard wade crying about walkers scoring
i never heard hakeem crying about maxwells scoring
i never heard duncan crying about parkers scoring
i never heard legoat crying about wades scoring

but i do hear 1 guy who takes 35 shots per game crying about pippens scoring who wasnt even that bad even in his worst years


^^^ You just showed that Pippen's scoring compares to the weakest 2nd options in history, so his worst-ever efficiency on top of the weak scoring makes him the worst-scoring sidekick ever, among winning sidekicks - no one has the combination of weak scoring and efficiency like Pippen.

[And1AllDay]

^^^ You just showed that Pippen's scoring compares to the weakest 2nd options in history, so his worst-ever efficiency on top of the weak scoring makes him the worst-scoring sidekick ever, among winning sidekicks - no one has the combination of weak scoring and efficiency like Pippen.

i wonder why pippen didnt score alot when his teammate was shooting 34 times per game :oldlol::oldlol:

2ez

[And1AllDay]

we figure this one out? :oldlol:

[ELITEpower23]

looking at lowest #2 option ppgz on winning teams

top 7 lowest playoff ppgz:
06 walker.......13.3 ppgz
94 maxwell....13.8 ppgz
03 parker.......14.7 ppgz
99 drob.........15.6 ppgz
13 wade........15.9 ppgz
81 maxwell....16.1 ppgz
04 billups......16.4 ppgz

pippen is a king compared to those bums right?

98 pippen......16.8 pgz
96 pippen.....16.9 ppgz

i never heard wade crying about walkers scoring
i never heard hakeem crying about maxwells scoring
i never heard duncan crying about parkers scoring
i never heard legoat crying about wades scoring

but i do hear 1 guy who takes 35 shots per game crying about pippens scoring who wasnt even that bad even in his worst years

Guys?

[3ba11]

looking at lowest #2 option ppgz on winning teams

06 walker.......13.3 ppgz
94 maxwell...13.8 ppgz
03 parker.......14.7 ppgz
13 wade........15.9 ppgz
04 billups.......16.4 ppgz
89 isiah.........18.2 ppgz

pippen is a king compared to those bums right?

93 pippen......18.6 ppgz
98 pippen......19.1 pgz
96 pippen.....19.4 ppgz

i never heard wade crying about walkers scoring


i never heard hakeem crying about maxwells scoring


i never heard duncan crying about parkers scoring


i never heard legoat crying about wades scoring

but i do hear 1 guy who takes 35 shots per game crying about pippens scoring who wasnt even that bad even in his worst years


You're lying

Pippen averaged 16.8 in the 96' and 98' Playoffs, with the worst efficiency ever

Low PPG + worst efficiency ever = worst-scoring sidekick that ever won

[beasted]

I wish you bitches had lives and stopped polluting the internet with negativity.

[Axe]

I wish you bitches had lives and stopped polluting the internet with negativity.
This. Mj and lbj stans are both retards, as well as some kobe stans.

[beasted]

This. Mj and lbj stans are both retards, as well as some kobe stans.
I'm all for free will and doing whatever makes you happy as long as you aren't hurting anyone else. But a lot of the time people are just posting pure negativity and delusion which is in fact hurting others.

"The sky isn't blue, it's brown!"

Stop. It's okay to call a spade a spade. It's okay to not respond to that negative idiot. It's okay to log off purposely avoiding replying for a day or two or three or never until after you've handled real life shit. Sorry for the rant, just felt someone needed to read this.

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I'm all for free will and doing whatever makes you happy as long as you aren't hurting anyone else. But a lot of the time people are just posting pure negativity and delusion which is in fact hurting others.

"The sky isn't blue, it's brown!"

Stop. It's okay to call a spade a spade. It's okay to not respond to that negative idiot. It's okay to log off purposely avoiding replying for a day or two or three or never until after you've handled real life shit. Sorry for the rant, just felt someone needed to read this.
Yep. Having a civilized discussion about cars (i'm into that stuff) or anything else that i'm fond of is much better than arguing with a pointless stan.

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TLDR: Excluding 1994 when Pippen was a 1st option, Pippen was outscored by the opponent's 2nd leading scorer in 12 of 34 series as a Bull (35%), and was matched with far better efficiency in 2 other critical series (98' ECF, 95' ECSF) - so that's 14 of 34 series as a Bull (41%) where his scoring was inferior to the opposing 2nd option.

During title runs, Pippen was outscored 25% of the time by opposing 2nd options, which matches the lower tier of winning sidekicks that never won FMVP or achieved elite 1st option stats (true 2nd options), such as Klay, Pau, Pippen, Rip Hamilton, and Jason Terry.. This caliber is far below the top tier of winning sidekicks that usually outscore opposing 1st options, achieve elite 1st options stats or win FMVP (Curry, Kobe, Kareem, Wade, Worthy, AD, etc).

For Pippen's career, he was outscored by opposing 2nd options in 19 of 41 series that he wasn't 1st option (nearly 50%) - so Pippen wasn't a legit 2nd option because he was outscored by opposing 2nd options half the time and has low peak scoring ability/PPG, while his worst-ever efficiency (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg) confirms that he couldn't handle the volume/load.. Ultimately, his low PPG among winning sidekicks and worst-ever efficiency make him the worst-scoring sidekick that ever won.

The most common rings are those won with elite 1st options playing sidekick like Kobe, Curry or Kareem ("1b" sidekicks that have achieved elite 1st option stats or FMVP in their career), while it's much less common to win rings with true 2nd options that never achieved FMVP or 25 ppg (Klay, Pippen, Pau, Rip Hamilton, Jason Terry, Horry) - MJ has 6 rings with these true 2nd options, which is why he's goat.



* From 1999-2003, Pippen was outscored by the opponent's 2nd leading scorer in 7 of 7 series - these numbers will be added to Pippen's Bull career, shown below:


1988 1st Round

Pippen'....... 10.6 ppg... 47.1 fg... 49.4 ts
L Nance...... 16.8 ppg... 53.1 fg... 58.4 ts


1988 2nd Round

Pippen......... 9.4 ppg... 45.8 fg... 48.5 ts
Dantley...... 18.6 ppg... 50.0 fg... 58.9 ts


1989 1st Round

Pippen....... 15.0 ppg... 39.7 fg... 51.0 ts
L Nance..... 19.4 ppg... 55.1 fg... 58.9 ts


1989 2nd Round

Pippen....... 14.8 ppg... 58.1 fg... 64.5 ts
Newman.... 15.5 ppg... 45.8 fg... 56.0 ts


1989 ECF

Pippen......... 9.4 ppg... 40.4 fg... 45.3 ts
Johnson..... 13.7 ppg... 53.3 fg... 59.6 ts


1990 1st Round

Pippen....... 22.5 ppg... 57.1 fg... 63.4 ts
Pierce........ 22.3 ppg... 46.7 fg... 60.4 ts


1990 2nd Round

Pippen........ 20.8 ppg... 53.3 fg... 58.1 ts
Hawkins...... 19.8 ppg... 47.7 fg... 62.6 ts


1990 ECF

Pippen....... 16.6 ppg... 42.6 fg... 52.0 ts
Isiah'......... 17.6 ppg... 39.0 fg... 51.0 ts


1991 1st Round

Pippen....... 19.7 ppg... 50.0 fg... 55.2 ts
Ewing........ 16.7 ppg... 40.0 fg... 47.3 ts


1991 2nd Round

Pippen........ 23.4 ppg... 57.1 fg... 60.9 ts
Hawkins...... 19.8 ppg... 43.1 fg... 64.4 ts


1991 ECF

Pippen......... 22.5 ppg... 47.5 fg... 56.3 ts
Aguirre........ 16.8 ppg... 45.3 fg... 55.4 ts


1991 Finals

Pippen'...... 20.6 ppg... 45.3 fg... 52.7 ts
Magic........ 18.3 ppg... 43.1 fg... 61.2 ts


1992 1st Round

Pippen....... 24.0 ppg... 55.3 fg... 63.0 ts
Ewing........ 19.0 ppg... 37.5 fg... 42.5 ts


1992 2nd Round

Pippen'....... 16.0 ppg... 40.4 fg... 49.3 ts
X-Man........ 18.6 ppg... 49.6 fg... 52.7 ts


1992 ECF

Pippen....... 19.8 ppg... 47.3 fg... 53.6 ts
Nance........ 17.8 ppg... 46.7 fg... 51.9 ts


1992 Finals

Pippen'....... 20.8 ppg... 48.4 fg... 56.0 ts
Porter......... 16.2 ppg... 47.1 fg... 57.1 ts


1993 1st Round

Pippen...... 15.3 ppg... 42.2 fg... 45.7 ts
Willis........ 16.7 ppg... 46.7 fg... 48.9 ts


1993 2nd Round

Pippen......... 18.3 ppg... 47.5 fg... 51.0 ts
Daughtery.... 16.0 ppg... 56.1 fg... 56.1 ts


1993 ECF

Pippen'...... 22.5 ppg... 51.0 fg... 57.3 ts
Starks....... 15.2 ppg... 45.3 fg... 54.6 ts


1993 Finals

Pippen...... 21.2 ppg... 43.9 fg... 45.9 ts
Majerle..... 17.2 ppg... 44.3 fg... 58.7 ts


1994 1st Round

Pippen...... 25.3 ppg... 49.3 fg... 53.7 ts
Mills......... 17.0 ppg... 50.0 fg... 59.5 ts


1994 2nd Round

Pippen...... 21.7 ppg... 40.5 fg... 51.3 ts
Ewing....... 22.9 ppg... 53.0 fg... 58.1 ts


1995 1st Round

Pippen........ 16.0 ppg... 51.2 fg... 60.2 ts
Johnson...... 20.8 ppg... 47.7 fg... 54.6 ts


1995 2nd Round

Pippen'...... 19.0 ppg... 40.9 fg... 52.2 ts
Penny........ 18.5 ppg... 44.0 fg... 54.7 ts


1996 1st Round

Pippen..,,..... 19.7 ppg... 55.6 fg... 64.0 ts
Hardaway'.... 17.7 ppg... 46.5 fg... 57.5 ts


1996 2nd Round

Pippen..,,,,,.... 15.6 ppg... 33.0 fg... 41.6 ts
Oakley........... 13.4 ppg... 50.0 fg... 57.7 ts


1996 ECF

Pippen'...... 18.5 ppg... 45.3 fg... 50.8 ts
Penny........ 25.5 ppg... 46.9 fg... 55.2 ts


1996 Finals

Pippen...... 15.7 ppg... 34.0 fg... 42.9 ts
Payton...... 18.0 ppg... 44.4 fg... 53.2 ts


1997 1st Round

Pippen....... 16.7 ppg... 38.9 fg... 49.8 ts
Howard...... 18.7 ppg... 45.5 fg... 53.9 ts


1997 2nd Round

Pippen...... 22.2 ppg... 42.9 fg... 52.4 ts
Smith....... 17.6 ppg... 31.9 fg... 49.1 ts


1997 ECF

Pippen......... 16.8 ppg... 41.7 fg... 52.6 ts
Mourning..... 15.6 ppg... 46.8 fg... 56.2 ts


1997 Finals

Pippen....... 20.0 ppg... 42.1 fg... 54.1 ts
Stockton.... 15.0 ppg... 50.0 fg... 61.3 ts


1998 1st Round

Pippen....... 18.0 ppg... 43.6 fg... 53.1 ts
Kitttles...... 16.3 ppg... 42.5 fg... 54.6 ts


1998 2nd Round

Pippen....... 17.8 ppg... 44.3 fg... 53.5 ts
Mason........ 12.6 ppg... 51.0 fg... 55.3 ts


1998 ECF

Pippen....... 16.6 ppg... 39.2 fg... 46.3 ts
Smits........ 16.3 ppg... 55.4 fg... 62.8 ts


1998 Finals

Pippen.......... 15.7 ppg... 41.0 fg... 50.2 ts
Hornacek...... 10.7 ppg... 41.1 fg... 50.1 ts


* From 1999-2003, Pippen was outscored by the opponent's 2nd leading scorer in 7 of 7 series - these numbers will be added to Pippen's Bull career, shown above