Duncan Robinson shuts down "todays NBA is no defense / stats are inflated!" misconsep

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzYj_O657C4



People are such idiots thinking "its just a scorers league bro! just who outscores the other!" lol.


No, players are just that talented.

[Airupthere]

Let's listen to a 1-dimensional 3 pointer shooter speak about defense while we ignore our own set of eyes that can see how the games are played in the nba.

[tpols]

His points are weak when you consider NBA reffing.

https://youtu.be/zNAEWAm8uRg

Ayton could spend 100,000 hours in the film room. If the refs blow the whistle on staying in front, there's nothing he can do.

[HylianNightmare]

Let's listen to a 1-dimensional 3 pointer shooter speak about defense while we ignore our own set of eyes that can see how the games are played in the nba.

This

[Gudo]

His points are weak when you consider NBA reffing.

https://youtu.be/zNAEWAm8uRg

Ayton could spend 100,000 hours in the film room. If the refs blow the whistle on staying in front, there's nothing he can do.

The refs arent letting the players play defense. If you are a defensive player, you cant be rewarded anymore for playing solid defense. It will be 50-50 for you dependent on the officiating.

[j3lademaster]

His points are weak when you consider NBA reffing.

https://youtu.be/zNAEWAm8uRg

Ayton could spend 100,000 hours in the film room. If the refs blow the whistle on staying in front, there's nothing he can do.That's garbage. No offensive skill, no craftiness just literally barrel into your defender with a shoulder check and get rewarded. The defense outplayed the offense on that possession and gets punished for it. And ofc Giannis throws up a shot for free, which if it goes in 1/1 fg's but if he misses like he does there... 0/0. No wonder efficiency stats are inflated.

[hiphopanonymous]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzYj_O657C4



People are such idiots thinking "its just a scorers league bro! just who outscores the other!" lol.


No, players are just that talented.
He's saying the players care and that their effort / emphasis goes on defense. Yeah. No shit.

What is blatantly obvious is the rules cater to the scorers. He doesn't dispute that.

[highwhey]

somehow this is a foul on Ayton?!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6XqRvQUUAI4wNa?format=jpg&name=medium


clear shoulder drop with an elbow leading into Ayton's chest, and this results in 2 free throws for Giannis. shit, i'm not even going to excuse the obvious non call on Booker (but that's one instance, not a repeating pattern), or the horrendous second chance opportunities the suns give up, but this shit right here is why the Bucks may win a championship...because the officials are letting this low skilled dumbass barrel into the paint and get free throws when he doesn't score.

f*ck this shit, it's not basketball.

[97 bulls]

He's saying the players care and that their effort / emphasis goes on defense. Yeah. No shit.

What is blatantly obvious is the rules cater to the scorers. He doesn't dispute that.

That part. The league is just different now. I don't think defense isbworse the rules changed the way defense is played.

[Full Court]

People are such idiots thinking "its just a scorers league bro! just who outscores the other!" lol.


No, players are just that talented.

You're blind if you don't see that the rules favor offense much more than they used to. And you say players are just that talented...but are you saying they're not "just that talented" defensively?

[The Closer]

It's easier for small point guards to score but that's about it

Everything else is more or less the same, guys like KD and Lebron are averaging 28+ in any era

And I cringe whenever someone says that MJ would average 50 today :lol

[fsvr54]

somehow this is a foul on Ayton?!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6XqRvQUUAI4wNa?format=jpg&name=medium


clear shoulder drop with an elbow leading into Ayton's chest, and this results in 2 free throws for Giannis. shit, i'm not even going to excuse the obvious non call on Booker (but that's one instance, not a repeating pattern), or the horrendous second chance opportunities the suns give up, but this shit right here is why the Bucks may win a championship...because the officials are letting this low skilled dumbass barrel into the paint and get free throws when he doesn't score.

f*ck this shit, it's not basketball.

I agree with you. Defense is supposed to be physical, otherwise it's impossible...

[Orange_Cassidy]

inb4 a 5th game of 40+ in a single finals series happens tomorrow

[tpols]

That's garbage. No offensive skill, no craftiness just literally barrel into your defender with a shoulder check and get rewarded. The defense outplayed the offense on that possession and gets punished for it. And ofc Giannis throws up a shot for free, which if it goes in 1/1 fg's but if he misses like he does there... 0/0. No wonder efficiency stats are inflated.

That's literally Gianniss whole game. If you were to call the charges or no calls he commits as fouls, he'd be Theo Ratliff.

[RogueBorg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzYj_O657C4



People are such idiots thinking "its just a scorers league bro! just who outscores the other!" lol.


No, players are just that talented.

Who?

[RogueBorg]

It's easier for small point guards to score but that's about it

Everything else is more or less the same, guys like KD and Lebron are averaging 28+ in any era

And I cringe whenever someone says that MJ would average 50 today :lol

Russell might average 17

[MrFonzworth]

OP with the most god awful takes per usual

[Sportal]

Who?

A player that has a contract in the NBA, when you wouldn't even be the best on your team in the gym.

[Kblaze8855]

That's literally Gianniss whole game. If you were to call the charges or no calls he commits as fouls, he'd be Theo Ratliff.


What’s funny is you seem to legitimately believe such nonsense as that(and worse…that Giannis in the 90s is Mutombo) but also believe you are a good poster who knows the game. Theo Ratliff who couldn’t dribble even illegally, or pass, or rebound much is a couple rule changes from being a 30/14/5 multiple time mvp going coast to coast and literally leaping over the heads of defenders. But….nobody has thought to simply make his brothers who are much more similar to him physically into the same thing he is.

Its as simple as rules….but his genetic lottery winning brothers choose not to go earn 500 million. There’s no difference in ability…the league just decided there could only be one. 3 Theo Ratliffs in the same league with the same rules but one decided to go to the HOF with no additional ability to play ball…..

He was better 5-6 years ago skinny than his brothers are now that they are more jacked than he was them. I’m sure basketball playing ability is not a factor though.

[DCL]

he has the most spurs of a name ever

[RogueBorg]

A player that has a contract in the NBA, when you wouldn't even be the best on your team in the gym.

:facepalm at you defending a starting SG who barely averages 3 rebounds and 1.5 assists per game. People talk about the greatness of this era. All this scrub can do is stand at the arc and wait for a pass to shoot. He can't play defense, he can't rebound, and he can't pass.

[paksat]

OP just asking to get obliterated with this thread

fiba is proving it

[StrongLurk]

The league could easily improve the quality of basketball being played if they got rid of the bullshit flopping, especially by offensive players, and the ridiculous protection of shooters.

We don't need the league to be like the late 90's, but what's happening these last few years is a bit much, especially with what the regular season has become.

Perfect blend of modern ball was probably mid-2000's to mid-2010's.

[Charlie Sheen]

What’s funny is you seem to legitimately believe such nonsense as that(and worse…that Giannis in the 90s is Mutombo) but also believe you are a good poster who knows the game. Theo Ratliff who couldn’t dribble even illegally, or pass, or rebound much is a couple rule changes from being a 30/14/5 multiple time mvp going coast to coast and literally leaping over the heads of defenders. But….nobody has thought to simply make his brothers who are much more similar to him physically into the same thing he is.

Its as simple as rules….but his genetic lottery winning brothers choose not to go earn 500 million. There’s no difference in ability…the league just decided there could only be one. 3 Theo Ratliffs in the same league with the same rules but one decided to go to the HOF with no additional ability to play ball…..

He was better 5-6 years ago skinny than his brothers are now that they are more jacked than he was them. I’m sure basketball playing ability is not a factor though.

When a player reaches the level Giannis is playing at right now... that htf do you stop this guy tier. It produces irrational conclusions. It's easier for the fan to discredit the guy through circumstance. Admitting the guy is just that damn good feels like surrendering. This phenomenon isn't new or unique to Giannis.

Don't fight this fight...
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[tpols]

What’s funny is you seem to legitimately believe such nonsense as that(and worse…that Giannis in the 90s is Mutombo) but also believe you are a good poster who knows the game. Theo Ratliff who couldn’t dribble even illegally, or pass, or rebound much is a couple rule changes from being a 30/14/5 multiple time mvp going coast to coast and literally leaping over the heads of defenders. But….nobody has thought to simply make his brothers who are much more similar to him physically into the same thing he is.

Its as simple as rules….but his genetic lottery winning brothers choose not to go earn 500 million. There’s no difference in ability…the league just decided there could only be one. 3 Theo Ratliffs in the same league with the same rules but one decided to go to the HOF with no additional ability to play ball…..

He was better 5-6 years ago skinny than his brothers are now that they are more jacked than he was them. I’m sure basketball playing ability is not a factor though.

His brothers must be in the league only because of their size and obvious nepotism. Everybody agrees with the points I and other are making about how he's reffed. Can you please watch the tape? And specifically refute where were wrong that contact is being 95% initiated by the offensive player yet the defensive player is penalized?

[Kblaze8855]

Which had what to do with Theo Ratliff and Dikembe Mutombo? People have been acting like all time greats would be this or that if not for this or that for 100 years. You go in every 3ball topic acting like he knows what he’s talking about despite him thinking rule changes are the only reason Steph can make the nba. People take the shit too far….whatever….I don’t care about that.

Seems with this particular guy you have moved on from bad at basketball to compare him with defensive specialists perhaps accepting that nobody as good as he is on defense alone is bad in total. Weird thing is you pick relative stiffs like Mutombo(who spent most of not all his career after age 29) and good but not special athletes like Ratliff who showed few other skills besides blocking shots. Talking about watch the tape.


Watch this….


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HeartfeltEarlyBlueshark-size_restricted.gif





and tell me that’s Mutombo or Ratliff. Guy has games getting 10-15 assists out of faceup situations and you’re talking about stiff defensive players saying watch the tape. Giannis takes more people off the dribble legally in a game than either of them did in a career including when Ratliff was mobile in Detroit which I’m absolutely sure you don’t even remember.

People can’t just make an honest criticism and leave it at that. Has to be Steph couldn’t make the nba in the 70s….Giannis is Theo Ratliff. Takes have to be sensationalist…..and nobody can ever say “Well no I didn’t mean that….” because being real just isn’t an option.

Wait 20 minutes…someone will take an honest assessment like Harden baiting refs and having illegal footwork and claim he’d be Henry Bibby at best in past eras.

[tpols]

Which had what to do with Theo Ratliff and Dikembe Mutombo?


So you're ducking the question?

Are you willing to admit the guys "face up" game is a farce where he just barrels into people and the refs call it against the guy getting pummeled?

Wilt Chamberlain in a late 90s interview said the same thing about Shaq. Is he crazy too? Are we allowed to defend the game of basketball as it should be and not the current media infused fabrication?

Its like how 3ball showed you Pippens offensive production was top 5 all time bad but you thought you "got em" because it was only top 7 or 8 all time bad.

You base all of your arguments around criticizing slight exxagerations while turning a blind eye to the holistic truth.

[Kblaze8855]

Actually it wasn’t even top 7-8 “bad” he….like you…simply has no idea what he’s talking about but insists on firm statements that are factually incorrect. If I wanted to correct him every time I knew at a glance he had made up numbers and lists that were off I’d be doing it all day.

Like many of you he has a tendency to exaggerate to the point of being more misleading than what he’s claiming he’s fixing the perception of.

It can’t be “Giannis/Shaq/Lebron/whatever all time great is too physical and gets officiated poorly” it’s “____ can’t even play. He just knocks people over.” “He’s just big.” “He’s just long”.

It isn’t some great truth. It never has been for any of the players it’s said about. Not Giannis. Not Shaq. Not Wilt himself who heard it so much he shot fadeaways when he could dunk in order to prove people wrong. He set out to make his game less effective for the sake of aesthetics….to prove to people like you he was talented. He played worse to play prettier. He was vain enough alter his game for the sake of idiots who weren’t gonna credit him no matter what he did anyway.

A reasonable person would do exactly what Shaq, Giannis, and whoever else you throw under the bus do….laugh at you then have 40/18 as you cherry pick plays to complain about while ignoring that 25ish points were sheer effort, rolls to the rim, putbacks, fadeaways, and fast breaks.

Giannis scores as much without even having take anyone off the dribble as some good scorers do in any fashion.

People without nuance will be acting like first ballot hall of famers aren’t shit for as long as sports exist. Giannis is Ratliff. Steph is worse than a backup point in 1977. Lebron is useless without stiff arms….Harden would be Rex Chapman without traveling…whatever. It’s all the same fundamentally. Fans being so emotional they can’t form reasonable criticism without going over the top and so stubborn that after they go over the top they can’t admit they did it.

[3ba11]

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Nearly half of Giannis' drives had no help defender due to spacing:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9jtOOQ43yw4&t=05m42s


So he wouldn't be as good against the packed paints of previous eras that had help defenders on 100% of drives

With no teammates spacing the floor in prior eras, great shooting was required to shoot over defenses/packed paints, like the gifs below:


https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ozo2gsUnmBUtTd6/giphy.gif
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Today's game is the beginner version, aka wide open spacing, hands-off defense, no-impede defense, no physicality allowed, open paints/defensive 3..

Previous eras were the advanced version, aka no spacing, hand-checking, physicality, impeding allowed, packed paints/legal paint-camping in various scenarios.

[tpols]

I agree with some of the context you have provided but to say the fella is a superstar scorer without his face up dribbling and charging... that's just lieing. Is it that hard to admit the current rules cater to his playstyle immensely on the back of massive corporate profit to be gained? You don't have to trip over yourself to admit that. Its not cherrypicked clips. Its literally the entire basis of his offensive game. Transition stuff is a smaller fraction.

[ralph_i_el]

Giannis has proved me wrong in a lot of ways this playoff run. I still believe that if the NBA allowed a more (in my opinion) appropriate level of physicality from defenses, he would be one of the most impacted (negatively) players. I'm sure you can go back and find the 2019 game of Greece vs. Brazil in the world cup, but he was very bothered by the physicality players were allowed to use in FIBA. It's very frustrating for me to watch a player bowl guys over who are not allowed to muscle up. He'd still be a stud of course.

Kblaze, what advantages in skill/size/athletecism does Giannis have over David Robinson? I compare them in my head, and DRob always seems to be the superior player to me.

[Kblaze8855]

The dual threat of layups and threes is pretty much all every team looks to exploit these days. Giannis assisted on almost 800 points worth of threes according to that video. That’s 2020s ball for you. And probably ball for the rest of time.

[tpols]

Giannis has proved me wrong in a lot of ways this playoff run. I still believe that if the NBA allowed a more (in my opinion) appropriate level of physicality from defenses, he would be one of the most impacted (negatively) players. I'm sure you can go back and fi d the 2019 game of Greece vs. Brazil in the world cup, but he was very bothered by the physicality players were allowed to use in FIBA.

Yea because they were allowed to stand their ground. We may exxagerate at times but its so true that the NBA manufactures certain players far beyond how good they are for money.

[3ba11]

I agree with some of the context you have provided but to say the fella is a superstar scorer without his face up dribbling and charging... that's just lieing. Is it that hard to admit the current rules cater to his playstyle immensely on the back of massive corporate profit to be gained? You don't have to trip over yourself to admit that. Its not cherrypicked clips. Its literally the entire basis of his offensive game. Transition stuff is a smaller fraction.


Giannis is an unskilled athlete, but that works in today's game and I admire how he's winning organically by learning to take advantage of the easy format with his athleticism.

I give him props and view him as superior to Lebron because Giannis' one area of dominance (dominating the paint and backboard) still elevates teammates and trumps Lebron's area of dominance (ball-dominant passing and scoring)

[ArbitraryWater]

Let's listen to a 1-dimensional 3 pointer shooter speak about defense while we ignore our own set of eyes that can see how the games are played in the nba.

You idiot, what would his play style or strengths have to do with with his knowledge about the situation? Lmao.

Btw, his podcast is the best there is and you would learn a lot more about the game if you listened to him.

[highwhey]

Giannis has proved me wrong in a lot of ways this playoff run. I still believe that if the NBA allowed a more (in my opinion) appropriate level of physicality from defenses, he would be one of the most impacted (negatively) players. I'm sure you can go back and find the 2019 game of Greece vs. Brazil in the world cup, but he was very bothered by the physicality players were allowed to use in FIBA. It's very frustrating for me to watch a player bowl guys over who are not allowed to muscle up. He'd still be a stud of course.

Kblaze, what advantages in skill/size/athletecism does Giannis have over David Robinson? I compare them in my head, and DRob always seems to be the superior player to me.

Ayton is playing excellent defense against him, unfortunately the refs reward giannis. Giannis is shooting like 40%fg against Ayton and 70% vs everyone else on the Suns. Giannis also has the most 3pt attempts when facing Ayton vs every other suns players. he still doesn't like physicality and Ayton is very strong and plays fundamental defense. Unfortunately the officials have decided standing your ground on defense against gianna is a foul.

[ArbitraryWater]

You're blind if you don't see that the rules favor offense much more than they used to. And you say players are just that talented...but are you saying they're not "just that talented" defensively?

Its a scorers game dumbass.

Talent shows itself with the ball in hand.

Good O beats good D.

Ol‘ retard ass

[3ba11]

You idiot, what would his play style or strengths have to do with with his knowledge about the situation? Lmao.

Btw, his podcast is the best there is and you would learn a lot more about the game if you listened to him.


he doesn't know shit - he spews the same garbage that the mainstream media spews - ball-dominance is a GOOD thing and "makes everyone better"... lol... only bums like him get better from that bs

In my prime, I'd beat him in 1-on-1 easily.. I might still have a shot if I got the ball first and we played make-it-take-it (which is how all 1-on-1 is played).

[Kblaze8855]

I agree with some of the context you have provided but to say the fella is a superstar scorer without his face up dribbling and charging... that's just lieing. Is it that hard to admit the current rules cater to his playstyle immensely on the back of massive corporate profit to be gained? You don't have to trip over yourself to admit that. Its not cherrypicked clips. Its literally the entire basis of his offensive game. Transition stuff is a smaller fraction.


Im actually not sure about that now that I glanced at some things. He leads the nba in transition scoring….with his threes(over one a game)….putbacks….rolls to the rim?

Id actually be interested in knowing how many faceup baskets he scores in isolation. I’m sure I could find out but i
going to dinner.

Far as him taking advantage of modern rules what is that even admitting? Why would I dare to dispute that? That’s what people do. Take advantage of the league they are in. I don’t know who plays like it’s the 90s or earlier right now. If they do coaches probably wish they wouldn’t.

It’s not what I came up on but it is what it is. You can only talk about how nice it was in 1992 for so long before you’re just a weirdo.

[ArbitraryWater]

OP just asking to get obliterated with this thread

fiba is proving it

Hahahahaha

fiba doe!

Inb4 USA rip everyone

[3ba11]

Hahahahaha

fiba doe!

Inb4 USA rip everyone


The USA faces vastly inferior talent but loses all the time because we play a beginner brand of ball, while the world plays a more advanced version

Our guys are talented but don't know how to actually play basketball.. that's the only way to explain us getting beat all the time or playing close games against "bums"

[ralph_i_el]

It’s not what I came up on but it is what it is. You can only talk about how nice it was in 1992 for so long before you’re just a weirdo.

Sure, but they changed the way the rules were called because they thought the fans would like it. It worked in some ways, and not in others. Folks like us talking about it is how it goes mainstream, and motivates the NBA to change. Especially right now with people seeing alternative rules in FIBA action. Stuff that we have been arguing about for years is now bleeding out into twitter and reddit.

I watched every FIBA Olympic qualifier a few weeks back (stuck at my mother in law's), and I was blown away by the quality of the product, even with weaker talent. It was fun, it was fast paced, and baskets didn't feel cheap.

[Kblaze8855]

Giannis has proved me wrong in a lot of ways this playoff run. I still believe that if the NBA allowed a more (in my opinion) appropriate level of physicality from defenses, he would be one of the most impacted (negatively) players. I'm sure you can go back and find the 2019 game of Greece vs. Brazil in the world cup, but he was very bothered by the physicality players were allowed to use in FIBA. It's very frustrating for me to watch a player bowl guys over who are not allowed to muscle up. He'd still be a stud of course.

Kblaze, what advantages in skill/size/athletecism does Giannis have over David Robinson? I compare them in my head, and DRob always seems to be the superior player to me.


David Robinson was similar. I’d say Giannis outjumps him but Drob may have been stronger.

Far as the physical element…..probably goes both ways. Nobody gets to play like Shaq did but if you let Giannis be as physical with his smaller guys as Shaq was he’d be pretty hard to deal with. Complain as we do about push offs he could just lift and dislodge guards all day given Shaq officiating and have a layup fest since you can’t double with all these shooters.

That said…Shaq also got beat up. That’s the side people ignore. The physicality went both ways. These days it’s geared towards the offense.

Thats what we get when fans think basketball is scoring and not the total game.

[Overdrive]

You idiot, what would his play style or strengths have to do with with his knowledge about the situation? Lmao.

Btw, his podcast is the best there is and you would learn a lot more about the game if you listened to him.

He can't compare the situations better than anyone posting on this board. He never played in other eras. Same goes for old heads who claim they'd score x amount, because of a different rule set. Nobody knows.

Also NBA players knowing more about the game as whole compared to others has been debunked several times. Just look at Jordan's track record as a GM/Pres. Most of these guys are coached into a role they play any game and don't care for much else. Some of the guys don't even know past greats, they just play.

[3ba11]

a lot of misconceptions itt

[3ba11]

He can't compare the situations better than anyone posting on this board. He never played in other eras. Same goes for old heads who claim they'd score x amount, because of a different rule set. Nobody knows.

Also NBA players knowing more about the game as whole compared to others has been debunked several times. Just look at Jordan's track record as a GM/Pres. Most of these guys are coached into a role they play any game and don't care for much else. Some of the guys don't even know past greats, they just play.


+1

It's a clever word trick to say "no defense", since obviously that's false - but the NBA plays weak defense - that's a fact proven by many different stats and the rulebook... and obvious eye test..

[Overdrive]

a lot of misconceptions itt

+1? You're one of the guys arguing Jordan would score 45 a game.

My post explicitly says nobody can know.

[3ba11]

+1? You're one of the guys arguing Jordan would score 45 a game.

My post explicitly says nobody can know.


The post I quoted doesn't say that

And Vlade recently said MJ would score 80 today - even Shannon Sharpe said that Jordan would average between 40-44 today, so that must be the LOW END OF THE RANGE if Shannon is conceding it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1akWgBsTV4&t=59s


And did you see the stat posted earlier - nearly half of Giannis' drives had no help defender due to the spacing, while MJ had help defenders on 100% of drives when he averaged 37.. Spacing makes scoring easier - a lot easier - this is basketball 101.

[ArbitraryWater]

He can't compare the situations better than anyone posting on this board. He never played in other eras. Same goes for old heads who claim they'd score x amount, because of a different rule set. Nobody knows.

Also NBA players knowing more about the game as whole compared to others has been debunked several times. Just look at Jordan's track record as a GM/Pres. Most of these guys are coached into a role they play any game and don't care for much else. Some of the guys don't even know past greats, they just play.

He‘s not comparing it to other era‘s

He‘s only speaking about this one

And his statement for this one is an absolute

Listen to him, it would really help.

It would save us the „muh Jordan“ talking points, because Duncan is actually being specific.

He‘s mentioning specifics.

And if you listen to him in general, you know he knows the in-and-outs.

[dreamshake]

because the officials are letting this low skilled dumbass barrel into the paint and get free throws when he doesn't score.

f*ck this shit, it's not basketball.

That’s how LeBron plays basketball but we never saw you complaining about that before. Guess it didn’t fit your agenda :roll:

[Overdrive]

He‘s not comparing it to other era‘s

He‘s only speaking about this one

And his statement for this one is an absolute

Listen to him, it would really help.

It would save us the „muh Jordan“ talking points, because Duncan is actually being specific.

He‘s mentioning specifics.

And if you listen to him in general, you know he knows the in-and-outs.

Stats can only be inflated in relation to another era. That's the very nature of inflation - it's relative. I brought up Jordan as a negative example and even that triggered you. :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Stats can only be inflated in relation to another era. That's the very nature of inflation - it's relative. I brought up Jordan as a negative example and even that triggered you. :lol

negative example?

you used him as positive example to your claim :lol

never heard anyone use negative example like that.

the "even" makes no sense in your sentence.


Yea, but people believe stats are inflated for a number of reasons that are false, and in retrospect to what Dunc is confirming, the likeliest reason of the boost becames clear:

talent.

[3ba11]

negative example?

you used him as positive example to your claim :lol

never heard anyone use negative example like that.

the "even" makes no sense in your sentence.


Yea, but people believe stats are inflated for a number of reasons that are false, and in retrospect to what Dunc is confirming, the likeliest reason of the boost becames clear:

talent.


Duncan is a poorly educated fool who doesn't understand that today's 3-point contest format simply results in more points - it has nothing to do with talent - it has to do with spacing the floor on a continuous basis with 3-point shooters, which spreads the floor like never before and makes for a mickey mouse, easy scoring format (beginner version of the game)

Nearly every score in today's game is a neat little 3-pointer, or a neat, in-stride layup because that's what today's wide open, mickey mouse spacing provides.

[outofstomach]

somehow this is a foul on Ayton?!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6XqRvQUUAI4wNa?format=jpg&name=medium


clear shoulder drop with an elbow leading into Ayton's chest, and this results in 2 free throws for Giannis. shit, i'm not even going to excuse the obvious non call on Booker (but that's one instance, not a repeating pattern), or the horrendous second chance opportunities the suns give up, but this shit right here is why the Bucks may win a championship...because the officials are letting this low skilled dumbass barrel into the paint and get free throws when he doesn't score.

f*ck this shit, it's not basketball.:lol

[outofstomach]

His brothers must be in the league only because of their size and obvious nepotism. Everybody agrees with the points I and other are making about how he's reffed. Can you please watch the tape? And specifically refute where were wrong that contact is being 95% initiated by the offensive player yet the defensive player is penalized?
in a lot of my lurking time ive noticed that blaze tends to take a contrarian position on each topic and extrapolates as if he can’t believe that anyone else thinks the consensus way, and that his opinion is the right and objective one. there isn’t really a point in discussing anything further with someone like that

[3ba11]

in a lot of my lurking time ive noticed that blaze tends to take a contrarian position on each topic and extrapolates as if he can’t believe that anyone else thinks the consensus way, and that his opinion is the right and objective one. there isn’t really a point in discussing anything further with someone like that


There's a few topics that get Kblaze feeling some kind of way and turn him into this massive derailer in threads.

These topics include the no-defense modern era, jordan winning titles as scoring champ, and lebron not winning organically (forming super-teams in a weak conference, aka manufactured resume, team-hopping)

These topics will always get Kblaze feeling some kind of way

[tpols]

in a lot of my lurking time ive noticed that blaze tends to take a contrarian position on each topic and extrapolates as if he can’t believe that anyone else thinks the consensus way, and that his opinion is the right and objective one. there isn’t really a point in discussing anything further with someone like that

he's right about some stuff though we do exxagerate. Ill never agree about Reggie though.

[Overdrive]

negative example?

you used him as positive example to your claim :lol

never heard anyone use negative example like that.

the "even" makes no sense in your sentence.


Yea, but people believe stats are inflated for a number of reasons that are false, and in retrospect to what Dunc is confirming, the likeliest reason of the boost becames clear:

talent.

How much did the talent change between 2013 and 2016?

Of course he's a negative example. He's a shitty basketball mind. Using him as a negative example makes my point. Even perfectly fits here.

[Kblaze8855]

in a lot of my lurking time ive noticed that blaze tends to take a contrarian position on each topic and extrapolates as if he can’t believe that anyone else thinks the consensus way, and that his opinion is the right and objective one. there isn’t really a point in discussing anything further with someone like that


At this point…pretty much. I don’t remember the last person I agree with I replied to. I read things I agree with and kinda nod internally and move along. I have to disagree like….a lot…to respond. Most of the time at least. Especially now that I don’t work anymore and don’t have 3-4 hours of time to waste in the morning.

Im mostly posting sitting in the car or eating. I’m at Texas Roadhouse right now about to leave.

My annoyance rate has to be higher than ever to even start typing.

[Bronbron23]

Of course duncan gonna feel this way. He's from this era. This shit isn't even arguable though. It's like arguing a simple fact like water is wet. The league literally put this shit in there mandate. They intentionally changed the rules to allow for more scoring and consequently better stats.

Again this is a fact dummies. Op is an idiot.

[tpols]

At this point…pretty much. I don’t remember the last person I agree with I replied to. I read things I agree with and kinda nod internally and move along. I have to disagree like….a lot…to respond. Most of the time at least. Especially now that I don’t work anymore and don’t have 3-4 hours of time to waste in the morning.

Im mostly posting sitting in the car or eating. I’m at Texas Roadhouse right now about to leave.

My annoyance rate has to be higher than ever to even start typing.

That's how everyone is on this site lol. Its a rare thing to have positive affirmative responses here. If we talked to each other in real life the same way we do on here it would end with a bar room brawl. :oldlol:

[outofstomach]

At this point…pretty much. I don’t remember the last person I agree with I replied to. I read things I agree with and kinda nod internally and move along. I have to disagree like….a lot…to respond. Most of the time at least. Especially now that I don’t work anymore and don’t have 3-4 hours of time to waste in the morning.

Im mostly posting sitting in the car or eating. I’m at Texas Roadhouse right now about to leave.

My annoyance rate has to be higher than ever to even start typing.this makes a lot of sense

[CountDracula]

https://i.ibb.co/wYKb4Mk/70-DB0-D5-E-B05-E-4-F10-9-E8-F-90-E59-EF34736.jpg (https://ibb.co/x3Mc6Jk)

https://i.ibb.co/PFLMTpp/815-BEC88-3-D93-4-B55-8001-FFFDC062882-A.jpg (https://ibb.co/9cDhwXX)

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[ArbitraryWater]

Today was a great example of the superior NBA.

As JVG and Mark Jackson kept saying, both teams played extremely hard and great defense, and yet both teams shot nearly 60%....


its just a superior, more abled NBA. Its a logical progression.

I can lead a horse to water but...

You nikkas are blind if you cant see that.


Dumbasses in here not embracing it but hanging on to their "they played defense back then!" days.

Back in my day, ran the hill up both ways :roll::roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

"the shooting in the league today is at a all-time high" -Mark Jackson

[Bronbron23]

Today was a great example of the superior NBA.

As JVG and Mark Jackson kept saying, both teams played extremely hard and great defense, and yet both teams shot nearly 60%....


its just a superior, more abled NBA. Its a logical progression.

I can lead a horse to water but...

You nikkas are blind if you cant see that.


Dumbasses in here not embracing it but hanging on to their "they played defense back then!" days.

Back in my day, ran the hill up both ways :roll::roll:

Of course they played hard and played great defense. Its not that the game is easy now it's just easier because of the rules. Again dummy the shit isn't arguable. The league put this shit in there mandate. It's literally a fact that this era is easier to score because of the rules. Arguing it is like arguing the sun is hot or arguing any basic fact. Somehow I'm not surprised your dumbass is still trying though:facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

Of course they played hard and played great defense. Its not that the game is easy now it's just easier because of the rules. Again l dummy the shit isn't arguable. The league put this shit in there mandate. It's literally a fact that this era is easier to score because of the rules. Arguing it is like arguing the sun is hot or arguing any basic fact. Somehow I'm not surprised your dumbass is still trying though:facepalm

As long as you can accept that talent is deeper than ever, we can find a middle ground.

[Bronbron23]

As long as you can accept that talent is deeper than ever, we can find a middle ground.

Again the shit just seems deeper because of the rules and style of play which favour gaurds. That's what your really saying because bigs definitely aren't better these days. Gaurds look better now because of a few reasons. One is clearly the rules. Defenders can't handcheck or body guys anymore. They can't even fight through screens or contest shots anymore. That's why everyone runs a thousand screens and pic and roles which is the most basic offense ever btw. You can't defend it anymore. The second reason is pace and style of play. In the 90's fot example offenses mostly played through the post. It was the gaurds job to primarily get the ball to centers and fowards. The only time they were free to shoot was when defenses collapsed and the bigs would pass it back out for a open look. Now gaurds are free to come down and take whatever shot they want. It's why basic players like booker and Middleton who aren't crazy talented or athletic can score 30 or 40 points fairly consistently.

Put it this man. Almost every championship team ever would wax either of these teams. If this era is so much better and so much deeper how could this be?

[nineiron]

somehow this is a foul on Ayton?!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6XqRvQUUAI4wNa?format=jpg&name=medium


clear shoulder drop with an elbow leading into Ayton's chest, and this results in 2 free throws for Giannis. shit, i'm not even going to excuse the obvious non call on Booker (but that's one instance, not a repeating pattern), or the horrendous second chance opportunities the suns give up, but this shit right here is why the Bucks may win a championship...because the officials are letting this low skilled dumbass barrel into the paint and get free throws when he doesn't score.

f*ck this shit, it's not basketball.

the bolded part sounds so familiar. who else do we know that plays like that?

[000]

the bolded part sounds so familiar. who else do we know that plays like that?

Name starts with an L