The differences between Kawhi and Kareem greatness

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi has to beat Stephen Curry in the finals

Kareem has to beat Jack Marin in the finals

Kawhi's point guard is Lowry who has never even made an all nba 2nd team\1st team

Kareem gets goat level point guards like Oscar and Magic who won MVPS

[RRR3]

“Jack Marin”

That team had Wes Unseld, Gus Johnson and Earl Monroe on it at least TRY to be honest.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Marin was the leading scorer, in between his shifts as a plumber

[RRR3]

Marin was the leading scorer, in between his shifts as a plumber
Earl Monroe was the leading scorer. Why can’t you stop lying?

[SouBeachTalents]

Outside of his fluke 2019 title Kawhi's played in one half of a conference finals game since 2014, and almost all of those were in his prime on a contending team. If not for his fluky GW against Philly it could've been just one half in total since 2014, pretty crazy when you think about it

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The difference is Kareem played. Kawhi sits even when he's healthy.

/thread

[StrongLurk]

OP has no pride or shame, total loser in every sense.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Outside of his fluke 2019 title Kawhi's played in one half of a conference finals game since 2014, and almost all of those were in his prime on a contending team. If not for his fluky GW against Philly it could've been just one half in total since 2014, pretty crazy when you think about it

Jerry west was injured in 1971, just like Durant was in 2019.

Then Kareem got injured and his team played better without him in 1980 and magic was fmvp.

Rest of the 80s he was magic's sidekick

Rest of 1970s he was getting his ass whooped by plumbers

[HBK_Kliq_2]

OP has no pride or shame, total loser in every sense.

Coudl you actually have pride if you won a finals against jack Marin the stock broker? He was playing 40 minutes and leading them in scoring hahahaha holy shit jack marin

[RRR3]

Earl Monroe was the leading scorer. Why can’t you stop lying?
Klit ducking this like the plague.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Klit ducking this like the plague.



https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1971-nba-finals-bullets-vs-bucks.html

Jack Marin was leading scorer in finals

What are you stuck on Monroe anyways? He's a bum too, had 1 good year

[MrFonzworth]

Klit ducking this like the plague.

You're a dumbass. Marin was the finals leading scorer. Get a job and stop being wrong

[RRR3]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1971-nba-finals-bullets-vs-bucks.html

Jack Marin was leading scorer in finals

What are you stuck on Monroe anyways? He's a bum too, had 1 good year
One good year yet he made 4 all star teams and scored over 20 PPG 6 times :lol. He’s in the HOF for a reason.

Also lmao at arguing anything from a 4 game series means shit. Cedric Maxwell outscored Bird in the finals once, way too small a sample size to determine anything. Monroe led the team in scoring in the regular season and playoffs as a whole. You didn’t specify in the finals only in the OP Cuz you’re a disingenuous ****wit

[MrFonzworth]

One good year yet he made 4 all star teams and scored over 20 PPG 6 times :lol. He’s in the HOF for a reason.

Also lmao at arguing anything from a 4 game series means shit. Cedric Maxwell outscored Bird in the finals once, way too small a sample size to determine anything. Monroe led the team in scoring in the regular season and playoffs as a whole. You didn’t specify in the finals only in the OP Cuz you’re a disingenuous ****wit

Didn't have to, it was implied. He's clearly talking about the series, only an autistic fkwit would think otherwise. That's where you enter the scene.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

You're a dumbass. Marin was the finals leading scorer. Get a job and stop being wrong

Exactly hahahaha guy is bragging about being wrong.

Somebody is hitting the lucky crack pipe too hard tonight

[HBK_Kliq_2]

One good year yet he made 4 all star teams and scored over 20 PPG 6 times :lol. He’s in the HOF for a reason.

Also lmao at arguing anything from a 4 game series means shit. Cedric Maxwell outscored Bird in the finals once, way too small a sample size to determine anything. Monroe led the team in scoring in the regular season and playoffs as a whole. You didn’t specify in the finals only in the OP Cuz you’re a disingenuous ****wit

He's a cuck. Only has 1 all nba team and no playoff runs to remember. Even Julius randle will surpass his resume in a year or two hahahha

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The difference is Kareem played. Kawhi sits even when he's healthy.

/thread

Well lets compare them up until their 29 years old seasons and see who is doing more work in playoffs. Also take in consideration that kawhi is in a far better and deeper era.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar playoff win shares until he's 29 years old:

15.8 win shares

Kawhi Leonard win shares until he's 29 years old:

22.5 win shares

Not bad for a guy who sits when he's healthy.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:whatever:

Now do their BPM, PER, VORP and WS/48

Don't disappoint me, Kliq.

[RRR3]

He's a cuck. Only has 1 all nba team and no playoff runs to remember. Even Julius randle will surpass his resume in a year or two hahahha
Odds are you, I and everyone else on this board will never be close to as good at ANYTHING as Monroe was at basketball. He wasn’t MJ or anything but he’s worthy of respect and you’re being an idiot acting like he wasn’t a stud.

[RRR3]

:whatever:

Now do their Points, Rebounds, Assists, BPM, VORP, PER, and WS/48

Don't disappoint me, Kliq.
I don’t get how he doesn’t realize how insane he looks by now. 3ball at least gets validation because most people DO think his hero is the GOAT. And even Kobe fans get plenty of validation because they are tons of them and Kobe is unanimously high up on the GOAT list. But I don’t think there’s anyone on earth besides Klit who thinks Kawhi is top 10 ever. You’d think being literally the only person in the world with an opinion would tell him he might be being foolish.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I don’t get how he doesn’t realize how insane he looks by now. 3ball at least gets validation because most people DO think his hero is the GOAT. And even Kobe fans get plenty of validation because they are tons of them and Kobe is unanimously high up on the GOAT list. But I don’t think there’s anyone on earth besides Klit who thinks Kawhi is top 10 ever. You’d think being literally the only person in the world with an opinion would tell him he might be being foolish.

He does. Its an obvious shtick lol. You, I and about half the board are guilty of giving him too much attention.

Kawhi is an all-time great, sure. But even Billy Crystal wouldn't buy Klit's slapstick comedy.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

:whatever:

Now do their BPM, PER, VORP and WS/48

Don't disappoint me, Kliq.

Kawhi has more finals mvps then Kareem did by the end of his 20s as well, if you prefer awards over stats.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kawhi has more finals mvps then Kareem did by the end of his 20s as well, if you prefer awards over stats.
How's he stack up in MVP's?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Odds are you, I and everyone else on this board will never be close to as good at ANYTHING as Monroe was at basketball. He wasn’t MJ or anything but he’s worthy of respect and you’re being an idiot acting like he wasn’t a stud.

Can't be that good if you're in your prime and let jack Marin outscore you in the finals hahahah

[SouBeachTalents]

Can't be that good if you're in your prime and let jack Marin outscore you in the finals hahahah
Jack Marin scored more in those Finals than Kawhi did for his first FMVP

[RRR3]

Jack Marin scored more in those Finals than Kawhi did for his first FMVP
Hahahahaha

[HBK_Kliq_2]

How's he stack up in MVP's?

Regular season could be your argument, it would be a wrong argument but still an argument.

Kawhi has led seven different teams in VORP that were top 3 SRS teams, he has done plenty in regular season.

Kawhi also doesn't miss the playoffs like Kareem did hahahaha

Did you know Kareem missed the playoffs in 1975-76 season and still won MVP? If kawhi got that kind of hype, he would have 7 mvps right now

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Jack Marin scored more in those Finals than Kawhi did for his first FMVP

Kawhi's team won in 5 games

Jacks team got swept

Huge difference. Also kawhi averaged 24PPG on 69% FG in the 3 straight wins

[Turbo Slayer]

Kawhi has to beat Stephen Curry in the finals

Kareem has to beat Jack Marin in the finals

Kawhi's point guard is Lowry who has never even made an all nba 2nd team\1st team

Kareem gets goat level point guards like Oscar and Magic who won MVPS It's a team game. Simple concept to understand I know. :facepalm

[RRR3]

Kawhi is closer to Earl Monroe on the all time list than he is to Kareem tbh.

[SouBeachTalents]

Regular season could be your argument, it would be a wrong argument but still an argument.

Kawhi has led seven different teams in VORP that were top 3 SRS teams, he has done plenty in regular season.

Kawhi also doesn't miss the playoffs like Kareem did hahahaha

Did you know Kareem missed the playoffs in 1975-76 season and still won MVP? If kawhi got that kind of hype, he would have 7 mvps right now
Kawhi can barely win 7 games in the playoffs these days

[HBK_Kliq_2]

It's a team game. Simple concept to understand I know. :facepalm

He only has 2 finals MVPS and both are inferior to Kawhi's 2 finals MVPS

Kawhi in 2019 beating Curry, beating prime Giannis > Kareem in 1971 beating Jack Marin, beating 34 year old Wilt

and then Kawhi in 2014 was the leader of VORP for the playoffs, while Kareem in 1985 was not the leader in anything and clearly Magic's sidekick.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi is closer to Earl Monroe on the all time list than he is to Kareem tbh.

Kareem only has 2 finals MVPS and both are inferior to Kawhi's 2 finals MVPS.

Then the regular season mvps were just hype because it was a crackhead and aba era, so they had to hype up their star Kareem and even gave him an MVP when he couldn't even make the playoffs hahahahaha

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi can barely win 7 games in the playoffs these days

He still leads playoffs in offensive win shares even though we're half way through the finals hahahahaha

also eliminated 1st team all nba luka in back to back years

[RRR3]

Kareem only has 2 finals MVPS and both are inferior to Kawhi's 2 finals MVPS.

Then the regular season mvps were just hype because it was a crackhead and aba era, so they had to hype up their star Kareem and even gave him an MVP when he couldn't even make the playoffs hahahahaha
That’s nice. He’s consensus top 3 and Kawhi is top 75 on a good day.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

That’s nice. He’s consensus top 3 and Kawhi is top 75 on a good day.

1 finals mvp against jack marin

1 finals mvp as magic's sidekick

that will get you top 30 at best.

Would normally be top 50 if it wasn't for his regular season stats that i prop him up for.

[Spurs m8]

It's a team game. Simple concept to understand I know. :facepalm

Do you really expect much out of this guy?

10/10 clown

Hence most people ignoring this garbage

[Thenameless]

I wonder if the OP realizes that Kawhi will be lucky to put up even half the total career points of Lew.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I wonder if the OP realizes that Kawhi will be lucky to put up even half the total career points of Lew.

Kareem's total playoff points by 29 years old: 2,073

Kawhi's total playoff points by 29 years old: 2,865

[SATAN]

https://celebtap.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Brian-Windhorst-640x471.jpg

[RRR3]

1 finals mvp against jack marin

1 finals mvp as magic's sidekick

that will get you top 30 at best.

Would normally be top 50 if it wasn't for his regular season stats that i prop him up for.
Genuinely one of the most retarded things ever said on ISH.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://celebtap.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Brian-Windhorst-640x471.jpg

Jokic won MVP.

Jack Marin pretty much has the resume of you LOL

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kareem's total playoff points by 29 years old: 2,073

Kawhi's total playoff points by 29 years old: 2,865


Genuinely one of the most retarded things ever said on ISH.

Let me know when you respond to that.

Or maybe you should go back to watching Kawhi make Lebron his bitch in the 2014 finals, 24PPG on 69% FG in 3 straight wins and all blowouts while Duncan averages 12PPG

[1987_Lakers]

Gonna be rough couple of years for OP, Kawhi about to be out for a full year and by the time he comes back he will be an after thought.

[SATAN]

Jokic won MVP.

Jack Marin pretty much has the resume of you LOL

You stan a player no one actually cares about and best case scenario for you he will be remembered the same way Bernard King is today hahahaha

[Thenameless]

Kareem's total playoff points by 29 years old: 2,073

Kawhi's total playoff points by 29 years old: 2,865

And he still likely won't catch Lew's 5,762 career playoff points.

[SouBeachTalents]

And he still likely won't catch Lew's 5,762 career playoff points.
Likely won't? There's 0% chance Kawhi catches him in playoff points. He'll be lucky if he gets within 1000 points of him :lol

[Spurs m8]

Kareem also wasn't a quitting pvssy...so there's that

[HBK_Kliq_2]

And he still likely won't catch Lew's 5,762 career playoff points.

He still has at least 5-7 great playoff runs left, so we'll see about that. Was running laps around you in playoff points until you became magic's sidekick.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kareem also wasn't a quitting pvssy...so there's that

Oh yeah that's right. Kareem played his entire career with bucks. You got me there.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I don't even know where to compare Kawhi with Kareem, there's so much overrated trash to look at.

His 1971 Jack Marin ring?

His 1980 crippled ring when Magic won MVP?

His 1982\1985 sidekick rings?

His 1987 role player ring?

His 1988 bench warmer ring?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=leonaka01&p1yrfrom=2019&player_id2=abdulka01&p2yrfrom=1980


Lets go Kawhi 2019 vs Kareem 1980

Kawhi wins in BPM, OBPM, DBPM despite playing 321 more total minutes.

Kareem's 1982 title run, he had it so easy he even played less total minutes than Kawhi did in his 2021\2020\2017 non finals runs. Gutless coward.

He also never went over 20 games played for any of title runs besides his bench warmer ring in 1988, 3\5 rings he wasn't even going over 15 games. This guy had it easy because Oscar\Magic always feeding him like a baby. Without them, he was a bum loser who could barely even make the playoffs.

[Horatio33]

Didn't Kawhi's team make the conference finals THIS playoffs even after Kawhi was injured? Paul George doing the heavy lifting.

[Horatio33]

I don't even know where to compare Kawhi with Kareem, there's so much overrated trash to look at.

His 1971 Jack Marin ring?

His 1980 crippled ring when Magic won MVP?

His 1982\1985 sidekick rings?

His 1987 role player ring?

His 1988 bench warmer ring?

1985 Kareem was finals mvp.

[Phoenix]

All these gimmick accounts lack the charm of some of the older forum trolls. Remember Mr. Jabbar or something like that? Posters who put some effort into it. Now we got these weirdos who evangelize players like Iverson and Kawhi for whatever reason. ISH truly attracts the nutcases of the internet.

[Charlie Sheen]

He does. Its an obvious shtick lol. You, I and about half the board are guilty of giving him too much attention.

Kawhi is an all-time great, sure. But even Billy Crystal wouldn't buy Klit's slapstick comedy.

I was ready to offer my two cents before reading your reply. Instead, I'll spend the morning going to check out a couple episodes of Loki. :cheers:

[tontoz]

Kawhi joined a team that won 59 games the year before he got there and won 53 the year after he left.

[warriorfan]

He does. Its an obvious shtick lol. You, I and about half the board are guilty of giving him too much attention.

Kawhi is an all-time great, sure. But even Billy Crystal wouldn't buy Klit's slapstick comedy.

This

[red1]

kawhi is a bitch




borderline top-20 all-time.

[Thenameless]

I don't even know where to compare Kawhi with Kareem, there's so much overrated trash to look at.

His 1971 Jack Marin ring?

His 1980 crippled ring when Magic won MVP?

His 1982\1985 sidekick rings?

His 1987 role player ring?

His 1988 bench warmer ring?

And after all is said and done, Kawhi might be a top 20 to top 30 player. Kareem is for sure top 10 and many have him in the top 5. I'm not as high on Kareem as others are, but comparing him to Kawhi is ridiculous.

Kareem was the most sought after high school player in history. And then he proved his worth by winning at UCLA. Then he goes first overall in the NBA and goes onto win multiple championships and MVP's (Kawhi has none, and will never win one with his pansy ass load management). And then he finishes his career as the game's all time points leader - and as I've already said, Kawhi will be lucky to reach half his total.

Full respect to Kawhi and his two way game, but he will never reach Alcindor's level.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi joined a team that won 59 games the year before he got there and won 53 the year after he left.

That vanvleet/Lowry/siakam championship core waa good for 27 wins this season.

Meanwhile, magic is taking Lakers to the finals by just replacing you with vlade divac hahahaha

Also winning the title in 1988 when Kareem had bench warmer value (0.0 VORP). You know how bad you have to be in order to have 0.0 VORP? Even bad role players like laundry shamet can get like a 0.1 or 0.2 VORP for a playoff run and in less minutes

[HBK_Kliq_2]

And after all is said and done, Kawhi might be a top 20 to top 30 player. Kareem is for sure top 10 and many have him in the top 5. I'm not as high on Kareem as others are, but comparing him to Kawhi is ridiculous.

Kareem was the most sought after high school player in history. And then he proved his worth by winning at UCLA. Then he goes first overall in the NBA and goes onto win multiple championships and MVP's (Kawhi has none, and will never win one with his pansy ass load management). And then he finishes his career as the game's all time points leader - and as I've already said, Kawhi will be lucky to reach half his total.

Full respect to Kawhi and his two way game, but he will never reach Alcindor's level.

1 ring in the entire 1970s against jack marin

Then in the 1980s he was either getting injured, being magic sidekick or being a bench warmer.

Not much value there that brings him above top 30 goat for me. His career pretty much has the same value as Scottie pippen, majority of it was as a sidekick to magic. 1970s he didn't win anything besides the year he faced jack marin in the finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

That vanvleet/Lowry/siakam championship core waa good for 27 wins this season.

Meanwhile, magic is taking Lakers to the finals by just replacing you with vlade divac hahahaha

Also winning the title in 1988 when Kareem had bench warmer value (0.0 VORP). You know how bad you have to be in order to have 0.0 VORP? Even bad role players like laundry shamet can get like a 0.1 or 0.2 VORP for a playoff run and in less minutes
The Raptors won more games and advanced just as far in the playoffs as Kawhi did in 2020. And unlike the Clippers they nearly won their Game 7, who got blown out due to Kawhi’s embarrassing 14 point on 6/22 performance

[Spurs m8]

In 20 years, Kawhi will barely be remembered.

"Oh that guy that quit on everyone, yeah vaguely remember him"

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The Raptors won more games and advanced just as far in the playoffs as Kawhi did in 2020. And unlike the Clippers they nearly won their Game 7, who got blown out due to Kawhi’s embarrassing 14 point on 6/22 performance

Comparing east vs west is a joke though, you know that. Beating luka the 1st team all nba guy is better then anything that raptors did.

Speaking of the pathetic east, you failed to make the play in tournament this season and had 27 wins.

Imagine magic johnson leading his team to 27 wins hahahaha he was making the finals and would of won the title if he didn't run into Jordan/pippen

[HBK_Kliq_2]

In 20 years, Kawhi will barely be remembered.

"Oh that guy that quit on everyone, yeah vaguely remember him"

1000 years from now when raptors still don't have a title

"Who won the only one for them?"

Or beating stock broker jack Marin.

Sounds like kawhi will be a lot more memorable.

[MadDog]

To be as great? Kawhi's gotta have AT LEAST HALF of Kareem's longevity. I'm no fortune teller, but that's not gonna happen.

[Spurs m8]

Kawhi's legacy also may have got a bigger boost if he didn't beat a depleted Warriors team.

More respectable than the Mickey Mouse ring...but that's not saying much

[Spurs m8]

Was also a team effort in 2014...he wasn't clear cut fmvp...

Parker scored more points and had 13 more assists
Duncan anchored that team and lead them on both ends.
Kawhi played good D and had 2 stand out games.

Overall...that was the biggest team effort chip anyone's ever seen...anyone who watched it knows that.
Even Mills went off at times.

Hence why Kawhi didn't even average 20ppg for the series

[Jasper]

“Jack Marin”

That team had Wes Unseld, Gus Johnson and Earl Monroe on it at least TRY to be honest.

OP putting a top 3 player in the history of the NBA with Kawhi that cracks the top30 is a joke.
/

[FKAri]

Was also a team effort in 2014...he wasn't clear cut fmvp...

Parker scored more points and had 13 more assists
Duncan anchored that team and lead them on both ends.
Kawhi played good D and had 2 stand out games.

Overall...that was the biggest team effort chip anyone's ever seen...anyone who watched it knows that.
Even Mills went off at times.

Hence why Kawhi didn't even average 20ppg for the series

04 Pistons?

[Spurs m8]

04 Pistons?

Another, yes

[Thenameless]

Also winning the title in 1988 when Kareem had bench warmer value (0.0 VORP). You know how bad you have to be in order to have 0.0 VORP? Even bad role players like laundry shamet can get like a 0.1 or 0.2 VORP for a playoff run and in less minutes

Nice try there bud. Kareem was 41 by 1988. Kawhi might be able to load manage his way to staying in the NBA until 33 or 34.